Alicia Keys: 'Gangsta Rap' Created to Convince Black People to Kill Each Other

[helomech]

I think she needs one of these....

http://www.eeevilconservative.com/images/000_0336.JPG



NEW YORK —
There's another side to Alicia Keys: conspiracy theorist.

The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: "'Gangsta rap' was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. 'Gangsta rap' didn't exist."
Keys, 27, said she's read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck "to symbolize strength, power and killing 'em dead," according to an interview in the magazine's May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.
Another of her theories: The bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled "by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing."
Keys' AK-47 jewelry came as a surprise to her mother, who is quoted as telling Blender: "She wears what? That doesn't sound like Alicia." Keys' publicist, Theola Borden, said Keys was on vacation and unavailable for comment.
Though she's known for her romantic tunes, she told Blender that she wants to write more political songs. If black leaders such as the late Black Panther Huey Newton "had the outlets our musicians have today, it'd be global. I have to figure out a way to do it myself," she said.
The multiplatinum songstress behind the hits "Fallin"' and "No One" most recently had success with her latest CD, "As I Am," which sold millions


Too bad,I would've thought she had more sense...

[Bombtrack]

http://www.tomjennings.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/rbg1.jpg

[fac3s]

Yup, this one's up there with Sheryl Crow telling us to wipe our ass with our bare hands.

Oh well. I still love her and atleast she's not a Britney or Paris.

[Hellfish]

I don't think the government cares about black people enough to bother creating gangsta rap.

[deagle]

who cares what she thinks really ? lol

gangs fight for turf and the places to sell drugs...and if someone infringes on their property, violence solves those problems. rap only glorifies it (depending on the lyrics).

[joe mama]

Was this before or after they put chemicals in Church's fried chicken to make black men sterile, the KKK owned Snapple, and the CIA created AIDS to kill black people?

[Dragunov]

It reminded me of...Bush doesn't care about black people

http://www.youtube.com/v/zIUzLpO1kxI

[Dominique]

Ahh...another pretty face who had to mess it up by opening her mouth.

[LaoSexMachine]

http://youtube.com/v/8u84d7nY8pQ&feature=related

http://youtube.com/v/nnRS-3AyGUs&feature=related

[LaoSexMachine]

Some might say take a chill, b
But **** that ****, theres a nigga trying to kill me
Im pumping in the clip when the wind blows

That's how I roll!!!!

[People's General]

What the hell this world is.
anyway I love her song, and I love rap too

[ronnieraygun]

Some might say take a chill, b
But **** that ****, theres a nigga trying to kill me
Im pumping in the clip when the wind blows

That's how I roll!!!!


every twenty seconds got me 'peepin out my windows...

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Alicia Keys don't like white people.

Making sad face now.

[The Balkan]

lmao @ this. great singer, but apperantly crazy bitch as well.

She's about as qualified to talk about gangsta rap as Ice Cube is on squaredancing.

Gangsta rap doesn't exist anymore, it's just clueless media people who think any rap is gangsta rap.

*misses the gangsta rap of the early 90's*

[el borracho]

I wouldn't call modern rap (all about clubs and bling) "gangsta" rap, cause the original gangsta rappers would have shot holes in this new crop of posers. That style of music is to rap as pop music is to real rock. A watered down, marketable cash cow with no real musical value unleashed upon ignorant audiences. She's right about the media being responsible for escalating the rivalry between regional rap artists. There was no hidden agenda "to keep the black man down" but it made a lot of industry people very, very rich. Who cares if an artist or two dies in the process, they can choose another from tons of inner-city kids waiting for their chance to be just like them.

[WKD]

I think she should tell that to Ice Cube personally.

I mean, he invented all this gansta ****, and this the mutha****in' thanks he git?

[WKD]

Gangsta rap doesn't exist anymore, it's just clueless media people who think any rap is gangsta rap.

*misses the gangsta rap of the early 90's*

Yes. *poors out a forty*

[annihilation]

Isn't alica keys half white?

[The Balkan]

Isn't alica keys half white?

Yup. Makes it even funnier.

Not that a white person cant stand up for someone else or their belifs, but she thinks cuz she read a few books she know knows Huey Lewis or Malcolm X and is like them. That's what makes it hillarious.

EDIT: LMAO I mean Huey P. Newton

[WKD]

Yup. Makes it even funnier.

Not that a white person cant stand up for someone else or their belifs, but she thinks cuz she read a few books she know knows Huey Lewis or Malcolm X and is like them. That's what makes it hillarious.

That and the fact she thinks a couple of muscians in the 90s were going to become great leaders and lead their people through the parted seas or something.

[gaijinsamurai]

That's a disappointment, as I was under the mistaken impression that in addition to beauty, Alicia Keys had some brains. I guess I was wrong.

And by the way, did you mean Huey Newton instead of Huey Lewis?

[gaz]

Isn't alica keys half white?

Is it the top half or the bottom half?

[seraosha]

And by the way, did you mean Huey Newton instead of Huey Lewis?

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9259/lolhollisuy5.gif

Hollis made a funny!

[The Balkan]

LMFAO I swear I JUST NOW thought to myself...wtf did I write Lewis insted of Newton...and as I come back to the forum I see you cought it....

*ashamed*

[Ozzy[NO]]

It's true!! Guns don't kill people, rappers do!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv-2XYOtgCg

[Snoshi]

Chuggo?(NSFW)
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ZPeHk4WMWpY

[helomech]

I think she should tell that to Ice Cube personally.

I mean, he invented all this gansta ****, and this the mutha****in' thanks he git?

You mean Ice T?If so,isn't it ironic his girlfriend/wife is white and he plays a cop on Law and order?

[gaijinsamurai]

LMFAO I swear I JUST NOW thought to myself...wtf did I write Lewis insted of Newton...and as I come back to the forum I see you cought it....

*ashamed*

Thats okay, it was kind of funny! Besides, I've made so many factual errors on this forum, I'm certainly in no position to be arrogant about it!

[California Joe]

OK, I'll confess. We also were involved in the Operation Misogyny. I wrote "I like big butts and I cannot lie..." when I worked for the Government. Happy now?

I also have a co writing credit on the lyrics "drop down and get your eagle on girl" and "Apple bottom jeans, boots with the fur..."

Why do you think they're called "Black Ops".

[boone]

"drop down and get your eagle on girl"

Gold.
The rest? Drivel. Sorry.

[California Joe]

We can't all be Neil Diamond.

[Hot Lips]

There weren't any gangs, at least not any shooting each other before gangsta rap came along, right?

It all boils down to Alicia Keys being just another entertainment industry opportunist that is going to prey on her target audiences insecurities and/or weaknesses by telling them what she thinks they want to hear in order to increase the revenue she makes off of them to sustain a posh lifestyle they can only dream of.

By all means, don't shoot each other people. Save your money and effort for something better........ like bying her CD's or concert tickets. Word.



.

[California Joe]

Alicia Keys is an amazing singer. Beautiful woman, very talented...does any of that reflect on her white mother? I mean, does her white mother that loves and cares for and raised her get any credit for her success? Or is she part of the monolithic conspiracy that this poor underpriviledged multiple Grammy winner feels is keeping her down. If I was her mother I'd beat her retarded ass. And which gangstas is she supporting with that necklace? Last I heard it's the weapon of choice for Somali warlords, not Snoop.

[bigvig]

Da gubmint dun mekkin conspirceez n sheeit.

[Hot Lips]

Born Alicia Augello Cook to an Italian American mother (a paralegal and part-time actress), and an African American father (a flight attendant), Keys, 24, changed her name to reflect her passion for piano, which she began playing at age seven. At 12, she entered Manhattan's Professional Performing Arts School, where she got her classical grounding and learned to compose music. By 16, she had finished high school, been accepted to Columbia University (later deciding to postpone college), and landed her first recording contract. Her debut album, Songs in A Minor, which yielded her first five Grammys, came out in 2001. She was 20.



[my mother]raised me single-handedly. It was very hard for her, because she had to be superwoman. She had to work the job and support the daughter and also try to pursue her dreams. She's my rock. I know she will be there no matter what.


My parents weren't married. It wasn't like my dad up and left. I maintained a steady relationship with my grandparents. My dad's mother is my Nana, and I'm closer to her than almost anybody in this world.


Like the keys on a piano, your mother is white and your father is black. Was it hard for you to figure out where you fit in?


No. I am able to hang with the hardest, the baddest, the worst, and I'm able to hang with the most proper, and be at ease. I'm able to hang with any skin color, any belief. I just fit in everywhere.


So by the age of 16 you had seven figures in the bank from a record company deal.


Yes. It was seven figures -- well, more like a good solid six.


Oh boo hoo, poor Alicia Keys.

[Laconian]

We can't all be Neil Diamond.

Thank the Lord for the night time....I admit I couldn't ID one of her tunes if I heard it, but based on the stirring intellectual thought process she has unveiled I'm not rushing out to FYE to buy her stuff.

[California Joe]

Poor thing was so abused...

[AreKay7]

I can't express how sick and tired I am of movie stars, singers, and celebrities spewing their opinions (mostly garbage ones I might add) out into the public. I want to scream at them and say "NO ONE GIVES A $HIT WHAT YOU THINK!" However, then i think about it and realize, sadly, there are people who value their opinions.:|

[California Joe]

I am able to hang with the hardest, the baddest, the worst, and I'm able to hang with the most proper...

They let you hang because they want to do you in the bad hole, not listen to your conspiracy theories....

[Laconian]

Manhattan's Professional Performing Arts School had some tough kids, CJ, what with the mohawk sportin' flugelhornist, and the tatted up cellists throwing down constantly. The place was hell, she's got street cred...

[California Joe]

"See that scar right thur? Got it from a pissed off cellist bow..."

[Hot Lips]

You haven't seen the face of evil until you've stared down the bow of an angry cellist.

[Buckeye67]

You haven't seen the face of evil until you've stared down the bow of an angry cellist.

Just ask Rob Paravonian.

[fac3s]

You guys are getting too worked up. She's an artist first and foremost.

They're all crazy.

[WKD]

You mean Ice T?If so,isn't it ironic his girlfriend/wife is white and he plays a cop on Law and order?

No, Ice Cube, google it.

But yes, very ironic indeed.

[LaoSexMachine]

No, Ice Cube, google it.

But yes, very ironic indeed.

Ice T is married to a white girl name Coco.

[Havoc345]

Is it the top half or the bottom half?

Apparently the bottom half

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/rskoolherc/alkeyes.jpg

[gaijinsamurai]

OK, I'll confess. We also were involved in the Operation Misogyny. I wrote "I like big butts and I cannot lie..." when I worked for the Government. Happy now?

I also have a co writing credit on the lyrics "drop down and get your eagle on girl" and "Apple bottom jeans, boots with the fur..."

Why do you think they're called "Black Ops".

I wrote the lines "I'm gonna dig a ditch, bitch, and thro yo ass in", but per CIA directive, Ice Cube got the official credit.

[Hollis]

I wrote the lines "I'm gonna dig a ditch, bitch, and thro yo ass in", but per CIA directive, Ice Cube got the official credit.


I hope you don't think you will make a rap star..........

[Load Toad]

Source?

Has anyone got access to the full interview she did with Blender Magazine? The online version is only the beginning. I'm interested in what the full interview says and in HK I can't find that mag.
Because we are being led tobelieve this is what she said by the writer of that interview - apart from not having access to the full interview we do not know if the reporters have their own itinerary or even what he spirit of the interview was like - could Ms Keys for instance have been taking the piss?

[gaijinsamurai]

Lol!
Whenever I try to show how "down" I am, my African-American co-workers just laugh and roll their eyes.

[Chulo]

Isn't alica keys half white?i have noticed that when it comes to people with mix ethnic backgrounds, a "black" person identifies with that background more than the other half

[pacifist]

I think she should tell that to Ice Cube personally.

I mean, he invented all this gansta ****, and this the mutha****in' thanks he git?

Together with Dr. Dre and Eazy-E

[pacifist]

If Alicia is right then the N.W.A guys are in on it. Maybe they were payed by the illuminati?

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/7720/tinfoilhat2cy2.jpg

[Hot Lips]

Has anyone got access to the full interview she did with Blender Magazine? The online version is only the beginning. I'm interested in what the full interview says and in HK I can't find that mag.
Because we are being led tobelieve this is what she said by the writer of that interview - apart from not having access to the full interview we do not know if the reporters have their own itinerary or even what he spirit of the interview was like - could Ms Keys for instance have been taking the piss?

Try Googling "alicia keys AND gangsta rap" you'll find quite a few sources talking about it.

[Bombtrack]

Some might say take a chill, b
But **** that ****, theres a nigga trying to kill me
Im pumping in the clip when the wind blows

That's how I roll!!!!



I got this killa up inside of me I can't talk to my mother so I talk to my diary
I'm goin' off on the deep end I found myself face to face with myself while I'm sleepin'

[TacoDelRio]

Together with Dr. Dre and Eazy-E

WKD posted lyrics from the Ice Cube song, "Hello". Hence why he said Ice Cube, not Ice T, or anyone else.

[Load Toad]

Try Googling "alicia keys AND gangsta rap" you'll find quite a few sources talking about it.

Done that matey. What I've found is a lot of talking about that particular quote taken from the interview - not the full interview. I'm particularly interested in the context of that selected quote with regard to how it fits within the whole interview - and what question prompted that response.

If we take a soundbite out of context who knows - we might just jump to the wrong conclusion. We wouldn't want that would we?

[Big Lebowski]

Kinda like when jennifer Lopez thought she was still from "da block"...

This is just sadder cause i really like Alicia Keys. (then again, im kinda starting to doubt the story)

[pacifist]

WKD posted lyrics from the Ice Cube song, "Hello". Hence why he said Ice Cube, not Ice T, or anyone else.

Allrighty, thanks.

[pacifist]

Alicia Keys was created to make me ******ly aroused.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/405781477_7be45057a0.jpg

[sreto]

Alicia Keys knows where its at.

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[STIG]

Fail .

[Ludipipo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/HzeZhCt5PVA

[Ghelp]

http://www.youtube.com/v/-HrucqUaaZE

[Hot Lips]

Done that matey. What I've found is a lot of talking about that particular quote taken from the interview - not the full interview. I'm particularly interested in the context of that selected quote with regard to how it fits within the whole interview - and what question prompted that response.

If we take a soundbite out of context who knows - we might just jump to the wrong conclusion. We wouldn't want that would we?

It's on the Blender site.

For now, I'm satisfied with the conclusion I've drawn: She's an idiot and/or an opportunist.

Feel free to contact the Jonah Weiner for his interview notes if you think Alicia's statements meant something else...


There’s a knock on the hotel-room door, and a minder enters with a peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwich: lunch. We’ve been talking about Keys’s early jones for the Notorious B.I.G. “My favorite Biggie song is ‘Me & My Bitch,’” she says, licking a stray globule of jam off her finger. “That title doesn’t make you think he’s speaking about the love of his life, but he is. She throws his **** out the window, she flushes his drugs down the toilet—she’s crazy! But if you grew up like that, then you understood, that was love in that world.”

We ask what other gangsta rappers she liked. And that’s when Keys drives a steamroller through the wall.

“‘Gangsta rap’ was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other,” she says, putting down the sandwich. “‘Gangsta rap’ didn’t exist.”

Come again? A ploy by whom?

She looks at us like it’s the dumbest question in the world. “The government.”

Add another line to her résumé. Alicia Keys: piano stroker, budding actress… and conspiracy theorist? This is the side of her that doesn’t square with the media-trained pro—the side your mom probably doesn’t know about when she hums “No One” on the way to Walgreens. This Alicia pores over Black Panther autobiographies (“I’ve read Huey Newton’s, Assata Shakur’s, David Hilliard’s …”). This Alicia says Tupac and Biggie were essentially assassinated, their beefs stoked “by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing.” This Alicia wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck, “to symbolize strength, power and killing ’em dead.” (“She wears what?” her mom asks Blender. “That doesn’t sound like Alicia.”)

[muttbutt]

Hahaha, she's a bit fruity in the head me think's?....surely it was crack the government invented to keep black people down?











p-)

[Bongopete]

What self perpetuating clap-trap! Another nutter in town. I think some people just WANT this sort of thing to be true. So, I wonder how many of her fans believe this?

[Ghelp]

Lol..

http://www.youtube.com/v/TKYvDn095Ew

[Laconian]

Ya know, if I was one of these artists, I'd be pretty angry about her basically saying I was a plant, ploy, Uncle Tom-type, used by the big scary g'vt to keep my people oppressed.

That's the flipside to what she is saying: those folks who supposedly lived this life they sang about are a bunch of posers, were exploited and used by Big Business and the G, who sold their people out to the G,like informants....

[Hot Lips]

She complains about a government conspiracy to make blacks kill blacks and then follows up with stating her AK jewelry is "to symbolize strength, power and killing ’em dead".

Killing who dead exactly?

And who in the government was part of this conspiracy theory since people of all races are employed by the governement?

What message is she trying to send by tying this into her appreciation for reading Black Panther related publications?

[Hot Lips]

That's the flipside to what she is saying: those folks who supposedly lived this life they sang about are a bunch of posers....

I was thinking the same thing. On one hand she implies Tupac and N-BIG were potential "great black leaders", yet on the other hand bascially says that they were government puppets and therefore not responsible for their wrong doings.

Can't really have it both ways can you.

[Laconian]

And who in the government was part of this conspiracy theory since people of all races are employed by the governement?




I never got the memo to attend the conspiracy meeting.

[Bongopete]

I guess all that singing leads to oxygen starvation of the brain.

[fac3s]

The world would be a much better place if everyone just calls each other an idiot for having a different opinion.

[California Joe]

You're an idiot.

[Chulo]

your right, idiot

[Bongopete]

ditto, I mean idiot. Im an idiot too.

[fac3s]

Make jokes all you want. But if you have dealt with political/environmental activists, you'll understand my point. Otherwise yes, I'm an idiot.

[Bongopete]

Theyre idiots too!

[Chulo]

Make jokes all you want. But if you have dealt with political/environmental activists, you'll understand my point. Otherwise yes, I'm an idiot.
Have you SEEN the Chinese threads? we have been battling against idiots, extremist and snail hunters since 2001

[Bongopete]

Chinese idiots, lots more of them and afterwards they leave you wanting more.

[fac3s]

For the love of god please put the links up. I don't want to go snail hunting again.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

No. I am able to hang with the hardest, the baddest, the worst, and I'm able to hang with the most proper, and be at ease. I'm able to hang with any skin color, any belief. I just fit in everywhere

I doubt this little princess got within 10 miles of "the baddest", and they'd scare her all the way back into her gated community. Her problem is that her chosen audience can figure that out pretty quick.

Put yourself in her shoes - raised in Manhattan, a stage mom pushing her into various show-biz events, on the Cosby Show at 4 years old, professional performing arts school valedictorian - hardly the typical black experience. It therefore takes some creative re-packaging to make the sale.

I'd wager that her target demographic will eat this stuff up. She's a lock for another handful of NAACP Image Awards.

[Chulo]

For the love of god please put the links up. I don't want to go snail hunting again.
Brokeback Snails (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=125784)

but the point im tryin to make is,

[21StCenturyWarfare]

aids was created to stop overpoppulation

[ex1cdo]

A celebrity said it, and I saw it on the Internet. It must be true.

[joe mama]

...They let you hang because they want to do you in the bad hole, not listen to your conspiracy theories....

[Kenny Banya]That's gold Jerry! Gold![/Kenny Banya]

[fac3s]

I doubt this little princess got within 10 miles of "the baddest", and they'd scare her all the way back into her gated community. Her problem is that her chosen audience can figure that out pretty quick.

Put yourself in her shoes - raised in Manhattan, a stage mom pushing her into various show-biz events, on the Cosby Show at 4 years old, professional performing arts school valedictorian - hardly the typical black experience. It therefore takes some creative re-packaging to make the sale.

I'd wager that her target demographic will eat this stuff up. She's a lock for another handful of NAACP Image Awards.

Maybe it was a bit over-exagerated or maybe she was just being ignorant.

Before getting out of elementary school, I thought the baddest people were the ones who flipped off their parents.

I don't think she did it to improve her image. Her career has always been strong.

[muttbutt]

I doubt this little princess got within 10 miles of "the baddest", and they'd scare her all the way back into her gated community. Her problem is that her chosen audience can figure that out pretty quick.

Put yourself in her shoes - raised in Manhattan, a stage mom pushing her into various show-biz events, on the Cosby Show at 4 years old, professional performing arts school valedictorian - hardly the typical black experience. It therefore takes some creative re-packaging to make the sale.

I'd wager that her target demographic will eat this stuff up. She's a lock for another handful of NAACP Image Awards.
Indeed, I hardly think 50 cent count's as "baddest" anything, no matter how many time's he has been shot....just mean's the guy don't know how to duck IMOp-)


Probably should introduce her to some Black navy SEAL's, SF guy's ect if she wants to see truly hard men, not soft little gansta rapper's...."where is my manicure cecil?!"

[Hot Lips]

I think she's simply preparing to market herself to the gangsta rap-esque buying niche market. She has no real "street cred" to brag of so she has to read books about those that do and mimic their tough talk. Dirty up her rep a little for the sake of marketing to a new demographic. So, it would seem she's trying white wash the history of gangsta rap to reconcile possibly becoming a part of it with her "proper" and clearly more priviledged (than that of many of those she's targeting for new revenue) upbringing.

Even her mother is quoted as saying "that doesn't sound like Alicia".... and she would know.

But, I'm sure her implied support of violence (against who, Alicia...non-blacks and/or government workers???) isn't her fault. Someday she'll come to her senses and tell us that she was just a puppet of the man and didn't realize it at the time.

[Bombtrack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/qqODcBI7aR8&

[fac3s]

I think she's simply preparing to market herself to the gangsta rap-esque buying niche market. She has no real "street cred" to brag of so she has to read books about those that do and mimic their tough talk. Dirty up her rep a little for the sake of marketing to a new demographic. So, it would seem she's trying white wash the history of gangsta rap to reconcile possibly becoming a part of it with her "proper" and clearly more priviledged (than that of many of those she's targeting for new revenue) upbringing.

Even her mother is quoted as saying "that doesn't sound like Alicia".... and she would know.

But, I'm sure her implied support of violence (against who, Alicia...non-blacks and/or government workers???) isn't her fault. Someday she'll come to her senses and tell us that she was just a puppet of the man and didn't realize it at the time.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4180/gangstacountrygi4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Red]

I doubt this little princess got within 10 miles of "the baddest", and they'd scare her all the way back into her gated community. Her problem is that her chosen audience can figure that out pretty quick.

Put yourself in her shoes - raised in Manhattan, a stage mom pushing her into various show-biz events, on the Cosby Show at 4 years old, professional performing arts school valedictorian - hardly the typical black experience. It therefore takes some creative re-packaging to make the sale.

I'd wager that her target demographic will eat this stuff up. She's a lock for another handful of NAACP Image Awards.

Says who? You? If you don't mind me asking, what do you know about the bolded? Cheers!

[Red]

I wouldn't call modern rap (all about clubs and bling) "gangsta" rap, cause the original gangsta rappers would have shot holes in this new crop of posers. That style of music is to rap as pop music is to real rock. A watered down, marketable cash cow with no real musical value unleashed upon ignorant audiences. She's right about the media being responsible for escalating the rivalry between regional rap artists. There was no hidden agenda "to keep the black man down" but it made a lot of industry people very, very rich. Who cares if an artist or two dies in the process, they can choose another from tons of inner-city kids waiting for their chance to be just like them.

Of all, you came the closest. There is a HUGE difference between hip hop and gangsta rap.

[muttbutt]

Red, mate being in the cosby show at 4 and being a professional performing arts school valedictorian is hardly anyone's typical experience.:|

[Red]

i have noticed that when it comes to people with mix ethnic backgrounds, a "black" person identifies with that background more than the other half

It's called the "One drop rule"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_drop_rule

[Red]

Red, mate being in the cosby show at 4 and being a professional performing arts school valedictorian is hardly anyone's typical experience.:|

If you put it that way.

What I got from that post was different from your post and that's why I asked those questions.

[The Balkan]

Of all, you came the closest. There is a HUGE difference between hip hop and gangsta rap.

Hip-Hop is the culture with 4 elements, which rap is one of. The other 3 are DJ, graff and breakdancing.

Rap music is apart of Hip-Hop culture.

Of course there's different sub-genres within Hip-Hop but it's all rap. Just cuz this guys rapping about gangsta **** and this guys rapping about backpack **** doesn't mean anything. Back in the day IT WAS ALL JUST RAP.

That's why I laugh today when they give the "hip-hop award" to R.Kelly or Sisqo and the rap award to Jay-Z or some other "hardcore" rapper. The first two aren't even Hip-Hop they're RNB like Marvin Gaye or Barry White.

But I guess people think any Black musician is automaticly somehow "Hip-Hop" no matter what genre they do.

[Red]

Hip-Hop is the culture with 4 elements, which rap is one of. The other 3 are DJ, graff and breakdancing.

Rap music is apart of Hip-Hop culture.

Of course there's different sub-genres within Hip-Hop but it's all rap. Just cuz this guys rapping about gangsta **** and this guys rapping about backpack **** doesn't mean anything. Back in the day IT WAS ALL JUST RAP.

That's why I laugh today when they give the "hip-hop award" to R.Kelly or Sisqo and the rap award to Jay-Z or some other "hardcore" rapper. The first two aren't even Hip-Hop they're RNB like Marvin Gaye or Barry White.

But I guess people think any Black musician is automaticly somehow "Hip-Hop" no matter what genre they do.


Hip hop is such a global and diverse movement. Gangsta rap is NOT hip hop.

[Red]

While I think Alicia is very confused on this topic, I will say that there are many conspiracy theories concerning the US govt that flourish in minority communities often time with good reason. I remember an article I read about the Tuskegee experiment and how many people labeled it as a conspiracy theory until the government finally came clean. It's not hard for me to understand why people in these communities view the government the way they do no matter how outlandish those views are.

[fac3s]

It might also have to do with the fact that she is a natural artist. They don't see things the same way everyone else does. It's what gives them their talent and unfortunately also makes them susceptible to less than normal notions.

Can anyone watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZTXPyBoIRuU

and honestly say her statements reflect those of a rational person or that she's only doing it for financial gains? No, she's crazy! And so are many other artists out there. But we listen to them for their music, not political guidance of which may or may not change.

It seems to me this is just an ugly phase that a lot of celebrities go through.

[Createdeemcee]

I wouldn't call modern rap (all about clubs and bling) "gangsta" rap, cause the original gangsta rappers would have shot holes in this new crop of posers. That style of music is to rap as pop music is to real rock. A watered down, marketable cash cow with no real musical value unleashed upon ignorant audiences. She's right about the media being responsible for escalating the rivalry between regional rap artists. There was no hidden agenda "to keep the black man down" but it made a lot of industry people very, very rich. Who cares if an artist or two dies in the process, they can choose another from tons of inner-city kids waiting for their chance to be just like them.


Yeah the old school guys were more serious about music and not being fake killers. Rap is a music. We all have our loves. I love Hip Hop, and will till I die. Will NEVER listen to any music by a man in cowboy boots. Unless he's Rappin.


Ahh...another pretty face who had to mess it up by opening her mouth.


Shes still an Angel to me!

[WKD]

Apparently the bottom half

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a42/rskoolherc/alkeyes.jpg

I think that is what is officially know as 'an ass like whoa'.

Whoa.

I'm going to go buy one of her records just to keep her in the manner to which that ass is accustomed. My social conscience demands it.


WKD posted lyrics from the Ice Cube song, "Hello". Hence why he said Ice Cube, not Ice T, or anyone else.

You're pretty fly for a white guy, Taco.

[WKD]

Maybe it was a bit over-exagerated or maybe she was just being ignorant.

Before getting out of elementary school, I thought the baddest people were the ones who flipped off their parents.

I don't think she did it to improve her image. Her career has always been strong.

She's probably having an identity crisis of some sort. 27, award winning 'black' musician except the black part of her family deserted her when she was young and she was raised by a white woman (her mother). I'm sure that pulls in the wrong direction. But I think we can all agree that no one actually cares about her opinions and that ass is much, much more relevent.

As for someone pointing out that the deaths of some of these artists made a few people very rich, this is true, and some of these rich people were themselves black.

Puff Daddy anyone? I hate that guy. I blame him for modern hip-hop or whatever it's meant to be.

[Spy]

While I think Alicia is very confused on this topic, I will say that there are many conspiracy theories concerning the US govt that flourish in minority communities often time with good reason. I remember an article I read about the Tuskegee experiment and how many people labeled it as a conspiracy theory until the government finally came clean. It's not hard for me to understand why people in these communities view the government the way they do no matter how outlandish those views are.

there was a similar experiment on black people, the "Guinea Pig Kids" from New York in 2002...

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Says who? You? If you don't mind me asking, what do you know about the bolded? Cheers!

Well says me. You don't think one has to be black to know what the typical black experience is, do you? For that matter, she hasn't lived the typical white, American, or human experience either. How many people do you know who've appeared on a number one TV show at the age of 4? How many went to one of the most prestigious art high schools in the country and graduated at the top? How many turned down attending Columbia to sign on for a music career that was waiting for her at 16? Are you saying that's the average black experience in America?

Her challenge is that she's an exceptional and accomplished person trying to sell herself into a market that disparages accomplishment, academic achievement and "selling out". Mick Jagger did pretty much the same thing in his early years too. Nobody could get behind a rock-n-roller who sang in the church choir and got into the London School of Economics on a scholarship. :)

[WKD]

Well says me. You don't think one has to be black to know what the typical black experience is, do you? For that matter, she hasn't lived the typical white, American, or human experience either. How many people do you know who've appeared on a number one TV show at the age of 4? How many went to one of the most prestigious art high schools in the country and graduated at the top? How many turned down attending Columbia to sign on for a music career that was waiting for her at 16? Are you saying that's the average black experience in America?

Her challenge is that she's an exceptional and accomplished person trying to sell herself into a market that disparages accomplishment, academic achievement and "selling out". Mick Jagger did pretty much the same thing in his early years too. Nobody could get behind a rock-n-roller who sang in the church choir and got into the London School of Economics on a scholarship. :)

I dunno, with an ass like that you don't think anyone would need any encouragement to get behind Alicia Keys.

I think I'm obsessed :(

[fac3s]

Her challenge is that she's an exceptional and accomplished person trying to sell herself into a market that disparages accomplishment, academic achievement and "selling out". Mick Jagger did pretty much the same thing in his early years too. Nobody could get behind a rock-n-roller who sang in the church choir and got into the London School of Economics on a scholarship. :)

What makes you think that is indeed what she's trying to do? To me it seems as sane as a rapping flavor flave dressed as a rodeo cowboy.

You can't just change your appearance while performing the same genre of music and expect people who like other genres to come listening to you. Especially for something like 'gangsta rap'. Whatever the hell that is.

[Load Toad]

Damn right - the freedom of speech only counts (and I can not, repeat can not stress this strongly enough) if they agree with our views. Anything else is verboten!

[Red]

Well says me. You don't think one has to be black to know what the typical black experience is, do you? For that matter, she hasn't lived the typical white, American, or human experience either. How many people do you know who've appeared on a number one TV show at the age of 4? How many went to one of the most prestigious art high schools in the country and graduated at the top? How many turned down attending Columbia to sign on for a music career that was waiting for her at 16? Are you saying that's the average black experience in America?

Her challenge is that she's an exceptional and accomplished person trying to sell herself into a market that disparages accomplishment, academic achievement and "selling out". Mick Jagger did pretty much the same thing in his early years too. Nobody could get behind a rock-n-roller who sang in the church choir and got into the London School of Economics on a scholarship. :)
Please could you expand further on this "typical black experience" that you speak of?

It probably might have been the way I read your post but it looked to me like a black kid achieving great things was supposed to be outside the "typical black experience". Is that a wrong characterization?

[Red]

Well says me. You don't think one has to be black to know what the typical black experience is, do you? For that matter, she hasn't lived the typical white, American, or human experience either. How many people do you know who've appeared on a number one TV show at the age of 4? How many went to one of the most prestigious art high schools in the country and graduated at the top? How many turned down attending Columbia to sign on for a music career that was waiting for her at 16? Are you saying that's the average black experience in America?

Her challenge is that she's an exceptional and accomplished person trying to sell herself into a market that disparages accomplishment, academic achievement and "selling out". Mick Jagger did pretty much the same thing in his early years too. Nobody could get behind a rock-n-roller who sang in the church choir and got into the London School of Economics on a scholarship. :)

I also find the statement bolded very hard to believe. I've heard this a bit often times from folks and I've found in each case the opposite was true.

[Hot Lips]

Frankly, I don't think he needs to expand on anything. The point was clear.

That her life hasn't been typical in comparison to the audience she's seemingly now trying to appeal to... and that was expanded on to say it wasn't a typical lifestyle for most Americans.

As for your concerns, I seriously doubt if we polled the average black/afro American they would say that they've lived a comparably privileged lifestyle as Alicia Keys (on TV at 4, in a prestigious school by 12, option to attend Columbia or sign a nearly 7 figure recording contract by 16). I know my gal pals at the office will get a hearty laugh out of such a question being posed and immediately answered with a resounding "hell no".

The more important question to me, is why is Alicia Keys, an influential entertainer, if she's so worried about violence - perpetuating it through her actions and words ..... holding up two violent criminals that happened to make a lot of money in the music industry as "great black leaders" (while also indirectly calling them mindless government puppets), wearing an AK-47 pin and talking about "killing ’em dead".

Killing who dead?

She wasn't talking about terrorist, the war, etc...


.

[Red]

Frankly, I don't think he needs to expand on anything. The point was clear.

That her life hasn't been typical in comparison to the audience she's seemingly now trying to appeal to... and that was expanded on to say it wasn't a typical lifestyle for most Americans.

As for your concerns, I seriously doubt if we polled the average black/afro American they would say that they've lived a comparably privileged lifestyle as Alicia Keys (on TV at 4, in a prestigious school by 12, option to attend Columbia or sign a nearly 7 figure recording contract by 16). I know my gal pals at the office will get a hearty laugh out of such a question being posed and immediately answered with a resounding "hell no".
This audience that she is trying to appeal to grew up in crack houses? No? She had a middle class upbringing which a lot of black folks had. What I won't disagree with you on is she had many opportunities that would not be open to every other person. Minus the being on tv part, there are substantial amounts of black kids who have/had this. You just don't know them or have never heard of them. We are not a monolithic group. We have so many differnt stories it'll make your head spin.

Your gal pals at the office may have had a different experience but that's the point..there is no typical black experience per se. We are all different and have different experiences in life. We do have (Black folks in the US) certain things that are common in our experience but these things don't encompass the totality of that experience.

[Hot Lips]

Typical is average and her life was not in keeping with that of the average person. So the statement is correct.


What are your thoughts on her statements? Do you consider Tupac and Biggie "great leaders"? Are they good role models for young people? Is someone that talks about them as such and speaks of "kill'em them all" a good role model?

[Red]

The more important question to me, is why is Alicia Keys, an influential entertainer, if she's so worried about violence - perpetuating it through her actions and words ..... holding up two violent criminals that happened to make a lot of money in the music industry as "great black leaders" (while also indirectly calling them mindless government puppets), wearing an AK-47 pin and talking about "killing ’em dead".

Killing who dead?

She wasn't talking about terrorist, the war, etc...


.

What word would you have for people who made a lot of money off "two violent criminals"?

Violent criminals? lol

[CPL Trevoga]

http://youtube.com/v/nnRS-3AyGUs&feature=related

Awwhh shiiiiiiiit. That's some classic stuff yo.


You know, Alica Keys is my girl, right, but you know what? Rap does not kill black people. I mean, look at my white bro Eminem. He raps, but he aint go no klan following and ****.

[Hot Lips]

What word would you have for people who made a lot of money off "two violent criminals"?

Violent criminals? lol

So now the music industry is responsible for Tupac and Biggie's crimes? No Sale.

At what point do you expect people take responsibility for their own actions and words. These two were committing crimes before the music industry came into their lives.

Are you saying that legitimate businesses shouldn't give people with criminal records a break?

I suppose Alicia Keys statements are someone else's fault as well. Give me a break.

[Red]

Typical is average and her life was not in keeping with that of the average person. So the statement is correct.
It's like the goal post shifted though. I though it was the typical black experience before? If you say it's correct then I guess it must be.

[Red]

So now the music industry is responsible for Tupac and Biggie's crimes?

At what point to people take responsibility for their own actions.

No sale.

What crimes are you talking about?

The record industry played no part in any criminal endeavor that I know of. But you basically called the two out in your previous post. I found it striking that you singled just the two of them out but not the execs that backed their albums, not the sales dept's of the record companies, not the A&R, not the lawyers. You only had words for the two who created the music and nothing for the folks who delivered it. I just found it striking that's all.

[Hot Lips]

It's been clarified several times despite your attempts to point the conversation in another direction


For that matter, she hasn't lived the typical white, American, or human experience either.

[Red]

So now the music industry is responsible for Tupac and Biggie's crimes? No Sale.

At what point do you expect people take responsibility for their own actions and words. These two were committing crimes before the music industry came into their lives.

Are you saying that legitimate businesses shouldn't give people with criminal records a break?

I suppose Alicia Keys statements are someone else's fault as well. Give me a break.
And did anyone ever say they never took responsibility for what they did? Were discussions with them that the rest of us weren't? As far as I remember, Diddy or whatever he is called now got Big to stop selling drugs. And anyone who listened to Tupac knew he was all about contradictions and he admitted it.

Alicia Keys is solely responsible for what comes out of her mouth (and what goes in). No one else is and I don't believe I've said anything to the contrary in previous posts.

[Red]

It's been clarified several times despite your attempts to point the conversation in another direction
There was a portion I highlighted in bold. I haven't moved this conversation in any other direction and if you do feel that I have then I apologize. A statement was made and I put it on blast. That's all that happened.

[Hot Lips]

What word would you have for people who made a lot of money off "two violent criminals"?

Violent criminals? lol

Red, they both have arrest records related to violent acts. You can do your own research. I lable them violent criminals, because they are. I do not however make the leap you are in seemingly trying to label the music industry as violent criminals as well.


I found it striking that you singled just the two of them out but not the execs that backed their albums....

I didn't single them out. Alicia Keys did. We are discussing her statements which did not include the others you speak of.

Music labels selling albums are not responsible for an employees crimes. Music labels can be guilty of poor taste, poor judgment, greed, etc. But at the end of the day the lyrics an artist puts to paper, the statements they give in interviews, and the actions they play out in the streets are their own doing. Not their employers, not the governments, etc.

I don't believe for a second that if the music industry had refused to record and distribute their music that such artists wouldn't be crying foul about freedom of speech, censorship, not getting the same breaks as others, etc.

She is encouraging the support of violence with her words. The journalist took pains not to support her by labeling her a conspiracy theorist while also not censoring her right to share that opinion.

It's trying to have ones cake and eating it too. Don't censor my speech, give me the same opportunities as everyone else, but when I screw up it's not my fault.

No sale on her conspiracies and trying to divert personal responsibility from where it belongs.

[Red]

Red, they both have arrest records related to violent acts. You can do your own research. I lable them violent criminals, because they are. I do not however make the leap you are in seemingly trying to label the music industry as violent criminals as well.



Music labels selling albums are not responsible for an employees crimes. Music labels can be guilty of poor taste, poor judgment, greed, etc. But at the end of the day the lyrics an artist puts to paper, the statements they give in interviews, and the actions they play out in the streets are their own doing.

I don't believe for a second that if the music industry had refused to record and distribute their music that such artists wouldn't be crying foul about freedom of speech, censorship, not getting the same breaks as others, etc.

It's trying to have ones cake and eating it too. Don't censor my speech, give me the same opportunities as everyone else, but when I screw up it's not my fault.

No sale.

(1) Criminals they were. But where I part ways with you on that point is about the industry as a whole. I'm not saying the music industry is a criminal enterprise. What I'm saying is that if you are going to bash an artist and what they put out, you also have to include the people who choose to make it available and the ones who made the most money off it. The companies identified a trend and latched on to it.
Biggie and Tupac were no leaders and most people with any lick of common sense knows that. They lived a lifestyle and their lives got ended by components of that lifestyles.

At the end of the day, you can talk all you want about those two but it means nothing. Their fan base is global and will always love them for whatever reason.

P.S: I'm was not and am still not a fan of either Biggie or Tupac.

[Red]

No sale on her conspiracies and trying to divert personal responsibility from where it belongs.

I was not trying to sell you anything. I had posted a while back that even though the her conspiracy theories are stupid, I understand why they take hold especially with minorities.

[Hot Lips]

What I'm saying is that if you are going to bash an artist and what they put out, you also have to include the people who choose to make it available and the ones who made the most money off it.

Actually, no I don't.

We were discussing those two individuals because they were the two individuals identified in the topic.... Alicia Keys statements.

You have tried at several turns address broader sweeping issues while I'm sticking to Alicia Keys statements.

[Red]

Actually, no I don't.

We were discussing those two individuals because they were the two individuals identified in the topic.... Alicia Keys statements.

You have tried at several turns address broader sweeping issues while I'm sticking to Alicia Keys statements.

And I said it in multiple posts now. They weren't leaders and Alicia Keys was talking out of her ass but I understand why.

[Hot Lips]

I don't understand why a girl from a middle class family with exceptional opportunities and a priviledged life would say anything of the kind.

[Red]

I don't understand why a girl from a middle class family with exceptional opportunities and a priviledged life would say anything of the kind.

All sorts of people from all walks of life and backgrounds believe all sorts of things. It's human nature nature I guess.

[WKD]

This audience that she is trying to appeal to grew up in crack houses? No? She had a middle class upbringing which a lot of black folks had. What I won't disagree with you on is she had many opportunities that would not be open to every other person. Minus the being on tv part, there are substantial amounts of black kids who have/had this. You just don't know them or have never heard of them. We are not a monolithic group. We have so many differnt stories it'll make your head spin.

Your gal pals at the office may have had a different experience but that's the point..there is no typical black experience per se. We are all different and have different experiences in life. We do have (Black folks in the US) certain things that are common in our experience but these things don't encompass the totality of that experience.

No where did he say they grew up in crack houses. You're reading very selectively here. And if you even look at Alicia Keys' upbringing, there is no way you can say it even remotely approaches the experiences of a typical middle class american of any colour, unless everyone where you grew up had scholarships and record contracts and tv apperances by the time they were teenagers. Which is what 2Sheds said and you ignored out of convenience.

So minus the tv part, does every kid on your block have a scholarship to one of the top art schools in the US and a six figure record contract?

[Dominique]

I can't believe that this topic somehow rated 9 pages of discussion.

[WKD]

Well, that's because everybody started out on their personal agendas.

Personally I think we should all go back to talking about gansta rap and Alicia Keys' ass.

One two three and I come with the wicked style.....

[Red]

No where did he say they grew up in crack houses. You're reading very selectively here. And if you even look at Alicia Keys' upbringing, there is no way you can say it even remotely approaches the experiences of a typical middle class american of any colour, unless everyone where you grew up had scholarships and record contracts and tv apperances by the time they were teenagers. Which is what 2Sheds said and you ignored out of convenience.

So minus the tv part, does every kid on your block have a scholarship to one of the top art schools in the US and a six figure record contract?

The way the post came across to me was that Alicia Keys growing up is something that is alien in the Black community. Hence the crack house quip.

You are mistaking privilege with opportunity. She had an opportunity to appear on tv. Privilege and good upbringing comes in different packages. Some folks get record contracts at a young age while others get academic or sports scholarship. Nothing was ignored and I'm still waiting for someone to explain this typical black experience to me.

[Red]

Well, that's because everybody started out on their personal agendas.

Personally I think we should all go back to talking about gansta rap and Alicia Keys' ass.

One two three and I come with the wicked style.....
I could care less about this topic. Talk about what you want to but don't get antsy when I call out ill informed general statements made about black people like we are the Borg collective.

[WARPIG]

I can't believe that this topic somehow rated 9 pages of discussion.

I've lost the whole conversation,

Something about how gun toting gangster rappers are or are not responsible for the violent way they kill each other, fabrication of gangster rap by "the man," some circular argument about Tupac and Biggie, and some nonsensical chicken before the egg debate.

Oh.. and the subject is about how some R&B version of Britney Spears is trying to draw attention to her latest crap CD.

Hmmm.. 9 pages of minutia when a simple run on sentence would have covered it.

[California Joe]

If Alicia Keys was a member here she'd be a Chinese Snailhunting airsofter wearing Sergeants stripes, a purple heart and a CIB.



Poser.

[WARPIG]

I could care less about this topic. Talk about what you want to but don't get antsy when I call out ill informed general statements made about black people like we are the Borg collective.

You've got to be kidding. You could care less and yet you pounce all over it with some knee jerk reaction because you felt black people are being generalized. In the mean time, the subject of the thread is about a washed up R&B artist that is losing her ability to keep her career alive with her a55, and now needs to talk out of it (making generalizations herself) to stay in the spotlight.

Alicia is the one making the retard generalizations here. Get off your high horse and harden the F up. We all tend to generalize a bit for the sake of illustrating our arguments. But, most people know that racially distasteful remarks and conversation meet with harsh results here. Your doing damage to your own position with this self victimization tangent.

[WKD]

The way the post came across to me was that Alicia Keys growing up is something that is alien in the Black community. Hence the crack house quip.

You are mistaking privilege with opportunity. She had an opportunity to appear on tv. Privilege and good upbringing comes in different packages. Some folks get record contracts at a young age while others get academic or sports scholarship. Nothing was ignored and I'm still waiting for someone to explain this typical black experience to me.

And you're mistaking what eveyone else is saying with the voices in your head. Go back and read what people have actually written, rather than what you want to believe they have.

[Hot Lips]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain this typical black experience to me.

The statements you objected to where clarified and you stated there is no typical experience. You're not waiting for an explaination (you got one over and over again regarding how her life is untypical) so much as you are still trying to make the topic into more broad sweeping issues seemingly to defend the "understandable" comments by Ms. Keys.

Perhaps you should tell us all why Alicia Keys is just a typical gal who has cause to hold up two violent criminals as "great leaders", blame the government for their crimes, and promotes continued violence with statements like "strength, power, and kill'em all". Because that's the topic.

You speak against her statements, while seemingly trying to make excuses by turning the conversation to broader issues.

[Red]

You've got to be kidding. You could care less and yet you pounce all over it with some knee jerk reaction because you felt black people are being generalized. In the mean time, the subject of the thread is about a washed up R&B artist that is losing her ability to keep her career alive with her a55, and now needs to talk out of it (making generalizations herself) to stay in the spotlight.

Alicia is the one making the retard generalizations here. Get off your high horse and harden the F up. We all tend to generalize a bit for the sake of illustrating our arguments. But, most people know that racially distasteful remarks and conversation meet with harsh results here. Your doing damage to your own position with this self victimization tangent.


I'm sure if you saw my horse you'd like it too. It has a golden mane.

[Red]

And you're mistaking what eveyone else is saying with the voices in your head. Go back and read what people have actually written, rather than what you want to believe they have.

Nope! No voices in my head.

[Red]

The statements you objected to where clarified and you stated there is no typical experience. You're not waiting for an explaination (you got one over and over again regarding how her life is untypical) so much as you are still trying to make the topic into more broad sweeping issues seemingly to defend the "understandable" comments by Ms. Keys.

Perhaps you should tell us all why Alicia Keys is just a typical gal who has cause to hold up two violent criminals as "great leaders", blame the government for their crimes, and promotes continued violence with statements like "strength, power, and kill'em all". Because that's the topic.
I probably might have overlooked it. That was pretty much the crux of what I was trying to get across. There is no typical black experience. It's just that different.

[WARPIG]

Well either the dismissive one liners you're cranking out means you've actually lightened up, or are simply being condescending. Either way, I like the one liners better.

[Hot Lips]

But there are typical or average experiences of which hers are not included. That was the point people were making that it seemed you are trying to dispute. Alicia Keys has not lived a typical life compared to the masses.

Like CJ said, she's a poser.

[Red]

Well either the dismissive one liners you're cranking out means you've actually lightened up, or are simply being condescending. Either way, I like the one liners better.

Just trying to get it all simmered down.

[Red]

But there are typical or average experiences of which hers are not included. That was the point people were making that it seemed you are trying to dispute. Alicia Keys has not lived a typical life compared to the masses.

Like CJ said, she's a poser.

I think before her deal with Columbia, she lived a pretty normal life (minus the acting thing). Her mother invested in her and it paid off when the opportunities came knocking. I think after her record deals and her move to J Records, she started living the charmed life.

I agree 100% that the gangsta thing is kinda iffy with her because that is not what her roots show. I'm not all that surprised though, when she recorded that song with Baby Cham, I knew trouble was around the corner for her.

[Red]

You've got to be kidding. You could care less and yet you pounce all over it with some knee jerk reaction because you felt black people are being generalized. In the mean time, the subject of the thread is about a washed up R&B artist that is losing her ability to keep her career alive with her a55, and now needs to talk out of it (making generalizations herself) to stay in the spotlight.

Alicia is the one making the retard generalizations here. Get off your high horse and harden the F up. We all tend to generalize a bit for the sake of illustrating our arguments. But, most people know that racially distasteful remarks and conversation meet with harsh results here. Your doing damage to your own position with this self victimization tangent.
On the real though, I was not playing victim here at all.

[Dominique]

I could care less about this topic. Talk about what you want to but don't get antsy when I call out ill informed general statements made about black people like we are the Borg collective.

Quiet you, or you let them in on the secret. In a few more years, they'll all be assimilated thanks to our fashions, and music. We've already conquered sports, and music, next its the business world.

Seriously though, I can't believe this sh*t has dragged on for this long. Alicia Keys, while it's nice to hear her sing, and she sure as hell is pleasing to the eye, is talking out of her ass. I'm not sure who she's been listening to, but they're blowing a lot of smoke up her rather healthy looking behind. I think mom needs to plant her foot firmly in her ass, and bring her back to reality.

As far as Tupoc, and Biggie go, they died because of the lifestyle they chose to live. They could have given up "the game" at any point once they were successful, but they chose not to. They wanted to go hard, and you see where it got them.

On the record company front, of course they hyped up "gangster rappers" and the East Coast/West Coast beef because it sold records. If they thought they could make a buck off of the sound of two guys pissing in a bucket, they'd hype the hell out of it. It's what they do, and as long as they're making money at it, they'll continue to do it. It's the way they've always operated, and will continue to do so in the future.

[fac3s]

Quiet you, or you let them in on the secret. In a few more years, they'll all be assimilated that's to our fashions, and music. We've already conquered sports, and music, next its the business world.

Seriously though, I can't believe this sh*t has dragged on for this long. Alicia Keys, while it's nice to hear her sing, and she sure as hell is pleasing to the eye, is talking out of her ass. I'm not sure who she's been listening to, but they're blowing a lot of smoke up her rather healthy looking behind. I think mom needs to plant her foot firmly in her ass, and bring her back to reality.

As far as Tupoc, and Biggie go, they died because of the lifestyle they chose to live. They could have given up "the game" at any point once they were successful, but they chose not to. They wanted to go hard, and you see where it got them.

On the record company front, of course they hyped up "gangster rappers" and the East Coast/West Coast beef because it sold records. If they thought they could make a buck off of the sound of two guys pissing in a bucket, they'd hype the hell out of it. It's what they do, and as long as they're making money at it, they'll continue to do it. It's the way they've always operated, and will continue to do so in the future.

I'm an ass man too.

[Red]

Quiet you, or you let them in on the secret. In a few more years, they'll all be assimilated that's to our fashions, and music. We've already conquered sports, and music, next its the business world.

Seriously though, I can't believe this sh*t has dragged on for this long. Alicia Keys, while it's nice to hear her sing, and she sure as hell is pleasing to the eye, is talking out of her ass. I'm not sure who she's been listening to, but they're blowing a lot of smoke up her rather healthy looking behind. I think mom needs to plant her foot firmly in her ass, and bring her back to reality.

As far as Tupoc, and Biggie go, they died because of the lifestyle they chose to live. They could have given up "the game" at any point once they were successful, but they chose not to. They wanted to go hard, and you see where it got them.

On the record company front, of course they hyped up "gangster rappers" and the East Coast/West Coast beef because it sold records. If they thought they could make a buck off of the sound of two guys pissing in a bucket, they'd hype the hell out of it. It's what they do, and as long as they're making money at it, they'll continue to do it. It's the way they've always operated, and will continue to do so in the future.
That's pretty much all I've said

But I read through what 2Sheds and Hot Lips were posting and I think I kind of understand what they were getting at.

Please 2Sheds or Hot Lips correct me if I'm wrong:

Alicia Keys had opportunities and privileges that the average American is not exposed to. Is that statement right? If so, then I apologize for creating 3 pages of worthless commentary.

[Eztyga]

Looks like she has been getting some practice in for her new career direction...

Ezy

[Dominique]

I'm an ass man too.

As long as it's only female booties we're talking about, I'm right there with you.

[fac3s]

As long as it's only female booties we're talking about, I'm right there with you.

As long as being right there with me means what I think it means okay.

[delio]

She right. Black people invented rock to get lonely white kidz shootin at each other. Everyone even now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU2He2BIc0

[Dominique]

As long as being right there with me means what I think it means okay.

Since I'm not into 1) Voyeurism 2) Sloppy Seconds, or 3) Group ***, I'm there in spirit.

[Dominique]

She right. Black people invented country music to keep rural white folks down, and rock get lonely white kidz to shoot at each other. Everyone even now.

Hey, who let you in on the secret?

[Chulo]

Hey, who let you in on the secret?
the Jews?

at what point do people stop claiming ownership to a style of music? like Rock and roll is white peoples, and country is.. well white country and rap is black people... when you see lots of different kinds of people in each style

[Dominique]

at what point do people stop claiming ownership to a style of music? like Rock and roll is white peoples, and country is.. well white country and rap is black people... when you see lots of different kinds of people in each style

When there are no humans left to fight amongst themselves.

[Chulo]

When there are no humans left to fight amongst themselves. I for one cant wait for that day, then i can finally just listen to music for music

[WKD]

the Jews?

and country is.. well white country

Hey, as far as I am concerned six fingers is another race.

[ed316]

Being in the ghetto, gangs, and desperation got blacks killing each others. Oh and rap music too.

[Dominique]

Being in the ghetto, gangs, and desperation got blacks killing each others. Oh and rap music too.

I hate to break this to you, but people have been killing each other as long as there have been people. It really doesn't matter what color they are.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Alicia Keys had opportunities and privileges that the average American is not exposed to. Is that statement right?

Yes that's right but it's only half of what I was getting at. The other half is that because she self-identifies as black (at least that's her public persona, as a means of selling music), she feels a need to establish her "authenticity" with comments like these. I don't think for a minute she actually believes what she's saying - it's a means to an end. She's laughing all the way to the bank.

[Createdeemcee]

Yes that's right but it's only half of what I was getting at. The other half is that because she self-identifies as black (at least that's her public persona, as a means of selling music), she feels a need to establish her "authenticity" with comments like these. I don't think for a minute she actually believes what she's saying - it's a means to an end. She's laughing all the way to the bank.

I remember explaining this to you in another thread about race, and you must have forgot 2sheds. "Drop in the Bucket measurement" from the days of slavery. If you have one ounce of black you are considered black. Im in the same boat as she is. Surly I consider myself both, but on that birth certificate. It says Im african American, and African American only. My whole family gets along fortunately. I feel im both equally, but when I write my race down, its always going to be black.


Looks like she has been getting some practice in for her new career direction...

Ezy


Give the lady a break, she's already got a carrer with no chips on her life like other performers in her area. She even has some better morals then Ive seen any women with. She has her opinions about life just as you all do here. I love how shes stirred things up.