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Britboy
04-13-2008, 08:17 PM
On another thread, I managed to find out about the Nahal, the Israeli Fighting Pioneer Youth who combine their 3yrs service with volunteer work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahal

I also remember reading about the Rhodesians during their Bush War, they did have permanent soldiers, but many of their troops did 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off (I think!) so that they had access to the manpower they needed for operations, but the troops had enough time away from duties to go back to their jobs, keep the economy going, and could sustain this rate for years without burnout. - I suppose this allows for more protracted, less intense conflicts to be fought without ruining the economy - I remember hearing that when Israel fully mobilised on one occasion (1967?) it was a number of weeks before hostilities began and of course there was talk of demobilising partially to keep the economy going.

Historically, I know the Zulu Royal Family demanded that every male serve in their Army before he be allowed to settle down and marry, thereby ensuring a large pool of manpower for them.

I'm also interested in countries which have conscription/national service for a short period, thereby giving large numbers of troops that can be called upon in a national crisis, like the Finns and Swedes. I understand that the Finns can undertake civilian service rather than only military, and that Swedish warships are manned by conscript-reservists too - odd as you think of it as a mainly Army technique...

There are of course the more usual methods of raising forces like having a volunteer Reserve like the Territorial Army, Army Reserve and National Guard (although the NG comes under state authority?), and keeping discharged ex-regulars on a reserve list for potential call up in a national emergency (not sure about training liability though).

There are a lot of historic distinctions between different types of Reserves in the UK, I think the RAF and RN & RM Reserves are pretty straightforward, but the Army's ones were termed Militia, Volunteers, Yeomany and so on, and each one was a separate organisation.

There were battalions of the British Army raised in Northern Ireland for service there only in the past. And in Britain its possible for young people to try for a Gap Year Commission that is done between sixth form and university, in order to give them an insight into life as an officer.

And we all have heard of the Gurkhas in British, Indian and Singaporean service, and of course the French Foreign Legion, which nowadays apparently has a higher proportion of Frenchmen than you might think.

So what unusual schemes of military recruitment/conscription/employment have you heard of? On what scheme does your own country base its forces and its troops?


Over to you...

BB

MichaelF
04-13-2008, 08:21 PM
I thought the GY Commissions were binned due to budgetary issues.

baboon6
04-13-2008, 08:25 PM
I thought the GY Commissions were binned due to budgetary issues.

Yes they are now a thing of the past

Britboy
04-13-2008, 08:25 PM
Oh, maybe they were... Ah well, I still know that some people do officer training before going to uni and then going into the service after graduating. I know thats a cadetship not a GYC, but its still an interesting way of doing things...

BB

baboon6
04-14-2008, 03:07 AM
The Rhodesians you are talking about who were doing "6 weeks in, 6 weeks out" by the end of the war were members of the Territorial Army i.e guys who had completed their initial national service period and had a reserve commitment. This was usually with a battalion of the Rhodesia Regt though there were other units too, units such as the SAS, RLI, Rhodesian Armoured Car Regt and Selous Scouts also eventually had TA elements. Their annual commitment was originally a lot shorter but was increased several times as the fighting intensified; the amount of time on call-up also varied according to age, location etc. Farmers were generally members of their local police reserve unit. For white men (not sure of the rules for coloureds and asians) aged between 24 and 38 it was 190 days service per year by 1977, for those between 38 and 50 it was 70 days service. Initial service (for those between 18 and 24) was originally (from 1972) 1 year, increased to 18 months in 1976. In 1979 those between 50 and 59 were made liable for 42 days service per year, usually with the BSAP Reserve. It was not popular and not sustainable- for men with their own businesses it was a serious problem. By 1978/79 many people were already leaving Rhodesia.

http://selousscouts.tripod.com/rhodesian%20army%20coin%2072_79%20part1.htm

digrar
04-14-2008, 03:41 AM
Australia has had a few different ones, I enlisted in the Ready Reserve, a 1 year full time and 4 years part time commitment, the part time commitment would be done in concentrations during university holiday periods. Many of us signed over to the Regular Army half way through our year of full time service (the earliest possible time available). This scheme actually finished in early 97 so the boys who went off after our first year actually went back into the normal reserve.
At the moment we have the Gap year program aimed at school leavers. 1 year full time as enlisted soldiers. The aim is to pick up a few extra warm bodies short term (those who choose to enlist rather than going to university) and hopefully pick up a few officers after they go back to school and finish their degrees.

Both of those schemes involve/d doing a normal regular recruit course and trade training course. So the 1 year full time works out to be about half a year training and half a year in a unit.