Hydration systems

[PureMassacre]

I've got a PLCE S95 Assault Vest and a DPM Camelbak. How do you attach the Camelbak to the assault vest? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[serpicowasright]

I know what your talking about and I would be interested in knowing this aswell. Here's a pic that someone did the exact same thing from Airsoft Canada...

[BT_Recon]

cable ties, para cord and improvisation will fix anything..

[Royal]

Like the man said. Cable ties.

Failing that leave them separate like they're supposed to be, so that you can wear a bergan/daysack on your back.

[Batfink]

The new issue Camelbak's have PLCE clips on them... obviously this is useless if you've got the oldschool one!!! You could take out the inner water proof bag, get some PLCE 15mm (or they might be 12mm!) male/females and stich them on using 12mm webbing in appropriate places on the camelbak bag - i've seen it done before and it seemed to work quite well.

Like the chaps said, cable ties or bungees (although I'd use the former!).

[PureMassacre]

Thanks for your help. I've attached to at several points using cableties, however there is no obvious way of attaching the middle of the camelbak to the assault vest. Its pretty secure at the moment, I'm going to get hold of some para cord and tie the middle D rings together to stabilise it abit.

[SamHamam]

I know what your talking about and I would be interested in knowing this aswell. Here's a pic that someone did the exact same thing from Airsoft Canada...



What a daft place to put your gaspirator

[Catch22]

Given he uses it as a resi pouch not just as a buttpack eh? You know airsofters aren't threathened by ABC attacks too often, therefore they use gasmasks rather rarely. ;-)

[EsoognomEhT]

Spelling attacks?

Good god!

[Sabre]

I've got a PLCE S95 Assault Vest and a DPM Camelbak. How do you attach the Camelbak to the assault vest? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Don't!

If you want a camelback, then put it in your daysack or wear in on your back with the straps.

If you want to make your vest more useful, sew on a rear pouch made of an old poncho or something to take extra kit. make it fairly streamlined (max 2 inches deep and just have poppers to close the top or a zip. You could always stick the camelback in, but you can carry your goretex or extra ammo etc instead.

Also, either replace the ammo pouches with the belt pouch variety or sew on velcro tabs to make them easier to close. You'll be forever trying to close them otherwise. They have to be the world's crappest mag pouches ever.

[Gimli71]

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[brad 1]

hi guys just a quick one what is the best way to clean/steralise a camelbak bladder that has not been used for quite some time & what is best for cleaning when away from home if that makes any sence. can the bladder take boiling water to clean it.

cheers.
brad.

[ed316]

Use chlorine cleaning tablets. Camelback sells them.

[brad 1]

Use chlorine cleaning tablets. Camelback sells them.

cheers man i take it they leave no after taste

[AROUETLJ]

Use denture cleaning tablets. If they're safe for granny's dentures, they're odourless and safe for your camelbak.

[brad 1]

nice one guys thanks for the prompt response

[ublekuh]

don't use dish soap..... i didn't rinse it too well, and so next time i went for a run i got a mouth full of soapy water.

[bluffcove]

rinse with the denture soap. then flush through with fresh and leave a sweet tasting cordial in it over night.

My 58 Pattern still tastes of Streams - with a hint of Elderflower. as opposed to stream with a hint of sheep ****.

[Scrim]

Use denture cleaning tablets. If they're safe for granny's dentures, they're odourless and safe for your camelbak.
Plus they are a hell of a lot cheaper than the ones Camelback sells.
It is worth investing in the cleaning kit they sell though. It comes with 2 brushes, one for the resevoir and one for the tube, and a hanger that goes inside to dry it out.

[kamarian]

i just use bicarb, then a good rinse and leave to dry out

[akmarksman]

I paid for the Camelbak cleaning kit..those brushes are handy,and get the hanger for it..

[cosimo]

A cheap and easy option is a three drops of thin household bleach (unscented) to a litre of water. Swill it around for a about a minute, flush through the hose. Rinse well then store in your freezer to save having to dry it.

[bluffcove]

bleach? is that sensible Im sure that stuff is covered in COSHH warnings!

[FozzieBear]

bleach? is that sensible Im sure that stuff is covered in COSHH warnings!
im sure if you washed it out properly so there was no bleach left it would be fine, dunno about the lingering eu de bleach in your camelbak though

[bluffcove]

Its only ever going to have water in it. Puritabbed, or tap, There shouldnt be any bugs in it anyway. It might taste minging but then its only ever going to taste of plastic or chlorine anyway. Heavy rinsing and strong alternative flavour, Vanilla essence or cordial left on the mouthpiece seems to do the job for me.

But then Im a a warry b*d ;)

[HoboWithAK]

Chlorine it. If you don't like the taste, then soak it out with a baking soda/water mix overnight.

Yes, you need something in there that can kill bugs. You might not have many big bad microorganisms flowing out of your tap, but they do live in your mouth and they will grow in your mouthpeice and tube and resivour. Trust me.

[Weasel]

Water with baking soda.

[JVeld]

Just put some Bacardi 151 ....that will do the job !!!

[stoddy9311]

Quick question!

never used the camelbak things before (always 44 pattern bottles of 58 pattern )

how do you know how much water you have left in them?

or do you drink until you are empty?
may seem a daft question to some, but I am a daft yorkshire man:)

just curious

[scrybe]

Well, you can see how much water is left in the bladder. The bladders also have markings on them indicating how much water is left in them. If you are wearing one and don't want to take it off, you can squeeze it or bounce it around a little. After you've worn it a little, you can tell by the weight or how much the water swishes around how much you have left.

[stoddy9311]

thanks for the answer

[scrybe]

No problem, hope that answered your question.

[stoddy9311]

It did

I am off hiking in BC in Canada next week with the wife and kids, and my youngest was asking for a camelbak, I might treat him now:)

thanks

Craig

[22.5degrees]

Great piece of kit, I've got three. never had an issue, I have been known to abuse mine.

22.5

[crazyman]

only thing that ive ever see go wrong is the big camelbak setups where its part of a 3 day pack...hard use and the o rings tend to let go and leave you with a very wet behind. happened to a cupla guys on a run we went on once with assault packs, 2 of em had the things burst. other'n that, easy way to check how full it is...reach back n squeeze it. you can also tell your low when the water starts to come thru the hose with air in it.

[HoboWithAK]

Once you wear it a few times you can generally tell where you are in terms of when you'll run out. I can't tell by swishing mine, though. The resivour compresses when I drink so I don't get the slosh slosh like a canteen.

[scrybe]

I meant that if you bounce around a little you can tell how much water is left by how much it tosses about, not so much like swishing water around in a canteen.

The bottom line is that it's pretty easy to tell how much water you have left.

[kayaker]

Make sure to clean it frequently... or else it becomes a bjtch to do so. CB cleaning kits are expensive, try looking for a platypus version, less painful on the wallet...!! Leaving it out in the sun for a short period also helps.

A general rule of thumb: dont touch the last quater until you reached your new supply point.. most problems on trips arise during the last part because people start to relax/slack.. you never know when you do need that quater!!

[AlexNenadic]

Never had a problem with my camelbak, although I did destroy one bladder through sheer idiocy. It was strapped to the outside of my 50lbs ruck, so when we got back from our 10k ruckmarch I pulled the quick release straps and the thing landed on the pavement with a resounding THUD, camelbak side down.

Aside from that one exploding, I've never had mine leak.

[p51]

Personally, I have never understood the appeal of these things, or why everyone in the military loves them so much.
Keep in mind, I was always in a mech unit, so wearing a cambelback while riding in a vehicle is uncomfortable. You also can get a cold back or a wet one if the water is cold or you get a leak. You also can’t lean against anything for fear of puncturing or damaging the thing.
Canteens for me have always been the way to go. Besides, you can’t pour water on your head or something else from a cambelback when you’re really hot. The only thing they have going for them is the amount of water you can carry.

[kayaker]

P51,
have you had limited experience with the things? Personnally they are the best thing since sliced bread:

1. the majority nowadays are insulated so they dont transfer temperature
2. You can drive a truck over the platypus, Ive stood on mine, no big deal
3. varities come with a large opening on top so you can use it easily in a river/pour it over your head
4. the biggest advantage from a hydration pack is that you can drink hands free. You having been in the military yourself probably know that when out patrolling on foot, with a rifle in shoulder, keeping eyes on your arc, bergan on your back, it is impossible to open a (esspecially the 58' model) waterbottle pouch, get it out, unscrew it and drink from it all one-handed with a rifle in the other and on the move...

On the bike same thing... allowes for better and constant hydration

Best place to store them is in top pocket of bergan so gravity works with you and carry it in addition to the water bottle in your beltkit...IMHO

[spectre17]

Always carry a spare bottle, as well as your hydration system, so when ur bag runs out, you know you have a spare/ also handy if your bag breaks(not that it will)

[Brabo]

Maybe nice for some operators or airsofters:

http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=869

Hope not a repost...

[RGRBOX]

Sorry, but Camel bak has gone too far this time.. they should leave this kind of stuff to the pros, and try to make better hydration systems..

[GoSka37]

I dunno, I wouldn't mind the Delta-5 Tactical Backpack but the vest is a litt to.. erm... uhh... yeah taht's all i have to say about it.

[K.Johnston]

wow c00lz0rz! imma by this and empress all meh softair freinds!

camelback FTW!


but yea it is a little overboard. whats the problem wiht it just being on your back.

[Brabo]

i think its not so weird.
If take a good look you see that the camelbaksystem looks like a camelbak viper:

-same kind of backpanel. (looks like a small berghaus cylcops panel)
-the water is spread a long your back, not just a bulky sac.

If i look at the fabric it's just the same as all they other maximumgear camelbaks and Specopsbrand/eagle items.

Only problem i think is that if you want to carry a bergen or patrolpack.
But for airsoft, or vehicle/boot operator i think this is quite nice.

[Caveman]

I would not knock it just yet I think its great that camelbak is making tacticle gear I have a few 100oz camelbak the models of which I can not remeber my favorit is the ACU pattern since it matches My uniform and IBA I have been using it for a while now and my IBA has some tears in it but my camelbak is good as new. Also I have a motherload that I use in place of my issue ruck and I love it here is a pic of it with a few add-ons. Again the cordura holds up nicely with now sighns of wear.
BTW thanks for the post Brabo

[Brabo]

Hey there,

I'm looking for a new camelbak. I got a good experience with the Camelbak Viper 3.1lt

But i found the pack for mountainbiking and hiking/military a bit small to put some regular stuff in it: wallet, phone, keys, digicam and other small stuff.

So i'm looking for something new. Does some know a good camelbak, that can hold some and isn't bulky to carry...

PS Do you got some sample pix of your camelbak loadout?

Thanks

[pristup]

M.U.L.E. Max load? :roll:

[catalyst]

Try source.

[Brabo]

Does some got experience with the Tasmanian Tiger 'Aqua Pack'?



It looks nice, but I can't size of the watersack. Can it hold a 2 or 3
liter camelbakresevoir?

I don't trust the drinking system of TT, but I like the pack.

[USMC Tanker]

The Camelbak MULE is okay, it can carry little odds and ends, but nothing really substantial. I've found the pockets to be convenient, but too small.

[/URL]

The Camelbak HAWG I think is the best compromise between the patrol pack (Motherlode) and the MULE. It can carry pretty much anything you'd want to carry in a platform smaller than a patrol pack.

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a246/dcarter_usmc/72150.jpg)

Here's a pic of the Motherlode for your reference. I've found it to be the best patrol pack I've ever had. I keep a SAW pouch on each side to increase storage capacity. NO COMPLAINTS!

[URL="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a246/dcarter_usmc/60137.jpg"]

[goat89]

Hi mates!I'm kinda new here and this would be my first question. This would be esecially directed to all combat troops in Iraq who used any of the CamelBak Hydration Pack series. First hand accounts are always welcome. So the question is: What are the Pros & Cons of the CamelBak. I have thought of buying one for wargames and trekking. Hope you can recommend me one! Thanks in advance and be safe!

[USMC Tanker]

I just posted this in another thread. Hope it helps! If you need a patrol pack sized hydration system, go with the Motherlode (the BFM is a little on the big side). Stick with the Motherlode and she won't let you down.

If you need something a little smaller, go with the HAWG.

Never had a problem with anything made by Camelbak...




The Camelbak MULE is okay, it can carry little odds and ends, but nothing really substantial. I've found the pockets to be convenient, but too small.

[/URL]

The Camelbak HAWG I think is the best compromise between the patrol pack (Motherlode) and the MULE. It can carry pretty much anything you'd want to carry in a platform smaller than a patrol pack.

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a246/dcarter_usmc/72150.jpg)

Here's a pic of the Motherlode for your reference. I've found it to be the best patrol pack I've ever had. I keep a SAW pouch on each side to increase storage capacity. NO COMPLAINTS!

[URL="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a246/dcarter_usmc/60137.jpg"]

[hell]

I use one of the models made for civvies, its a small 2.0 liter model with a single small pocket. Mine works well so far, I don't carry much additional stuff, so I didn't go with the HAWG. Just make sure to empty the bladder when you're done with it, and then leave the fill cap open and bite the valve and blow any residual water back into the bladder and dump it out. When doing this, I've never had any problems with mildew, and I've never bought one of the cleaning kits either.

Just use it for water though, loading it up with Gatorade or sports drinks just makes it a pain to clean later. That and any drips will leave a sticky residue.

[Yeoman]

I use to have a BFM and I loved the thing. it was bloody huge, I mean when I was mechanized I was using that over what was issued to me since it was a bit more compact but I could still carry the same amount of kit required to do the job.
I know use one of their normal 3L ones, and have been for the last two years. other then needing to replace the bite valve, I have not had any problems with it at all. other then maybe it's somewhat akwards if you throw your rucksack overtop of the camelbak can make the ruck not fit properly on your back and you do the wobble walk.
so long as you clean it properly every two or three months (speaking of which I should clean mine soon), the bladder will last you for a long time.
Greg

[DnA]

I got a Thermobak 3L, best piece of kit I've ever bought. No problems with mine at all.

As for the rucksack, I just tuck mine above the main pocket an under the flap. or attach it to the outside with D-Rings. I've had no problems doing it either way.

[TacoDelRio]

I have a BFM. I find it works best when you leave the bladder OUT of the compartment, otherwise it f*cks the whole pack's balance up. Heaviest I load mine now is about 50lbs. Aside from crap suspension/straps, the material and craftsmanship aren't bad at all, but not truly able to take alot of abuse like other American brands would. (It's made in the Phillipines with a one year warranty for a reason!!!)

I'd personally suggest another brand name pack, like EAGLE, and just put a hydration bladder in there.

[freedomofold]

I have a few camel packs that I use while skiing and climbing. Climbing it tends to stay at base but works well to carry gear to the face. I have never had a problem with them. If you are using one for war-gamming it should more then cover your needs. Hope this helps.

[Ghetto Defendant]

I like my MULE for day hikes and mt. biking, but my water tastes like plastic. I can't get rid of it. I've tried baking soda, lemon juice, denture cleaning tablets....nothing works.

Anyone else have this problem?

[TacoDelRio]

Mine tastes crappy too, but it's wet and keeps me from dying so I don't care a helluva lot. :)

I carry two canteens and some packets of drink mix to get some flavor and sh*t.

[goat89]

Thanks guys! Much appreciated! And Yo USMC Tanker! You a leatherneck in the sandbox? If you are be safe! SEMPER FIDELIS mate!

[digrar]

I like my MULE for day hikes and mt. biking, but my water tastes like plastic. I can't get rid of it. I've tried baking soda, lemon juice, denture cleaning tablets....nothing works.

Anyone else have this problem?

Try running some lemon drink through there for a couple of days, really let the flavour soak in. I found that the flavoured drink taste was pretty easy to remove with baking soda and the plastic taste wasn't there afterwards.

[goat89]

woah nice tactic! Will try if it happens to me!

[Jarhead]

I´ve got the Camelbak Mule. I like it, its not to huge or cumbersome. The pockets are big enough to carry a MRE in it or somethinge else.

Jarhead

[crazyman]

only problem ive ever seen is some of the newer ones will burst if you happen to put pressure right on the valve where it meets up with the bladder. seen a couple just plain pop that way. other'n that, had one freeze on me climbing mt adams a while back, but hell everything was frozen so i dont blame the thing

[USMC Tanker]

Goat89, been back from Fallujah for about 6 months now. God knows I'll go back before I get out. I don't mind though...woot

[Beowulf]

I'm not in Iraq, but maybe my opinion still counts...

After using various camelbaks over the last few years, I've finaly binned them. They can be useful, but my last few big jobs have had me spending long periods of time in the field. The camelbak becomes a nuisance very quickly.

I'm either having to tuck it under that ruck flap, or strap it to the outside, either way the hose manages to get in the way, or get lost/caught on some piece of gear (hey buddy can you hand me my hose?)

A lot of guys would have the nozzle portion come off after time, which sucks. What more commonly happens is during movement the nozzle gets dirt on it and gets all nasty. Not a big deal except a lot of the dirt and mud here is "seasoned" by livestock...or humans.

I've gone to the nalgene bottle, or just the bottles we are given. All our resupply is bottled water. I've just gone to trying to simplify my kit a bit, and go with the essentials.

When bad stuff starts happening the less I have to get caught/tangled/lost the better.

my .02

[ibstolidude]

When bad stuff starts happening the less I have to get caught/tangled/lost the better.

I think I've heard that befo', somewhere.
"Hydrate or Die!"

1 Det is headed your way Nov/Dec - should you still be there.

Let me know if you got your crap!

[scrybe]

I have a MULE also. Good stuff.

[goat89]

Thx people! Now I have to decide between a ThermoBak Omega or a standard ThermoBak...... and USMC Tanker? Be safe if yar go back!

[USMC Tanker]

The Thermobak is a good design. Low profile, easy to stow away or attach to a flak or other pack. Looks like the only difference for the Omega is the zippered cover for the fill cap. Only $10 more...whatever floats your boat. Might be better to have something protecting your cap, but I've never had a problem with the standard Thermobak.

Thanks for the safe wishes, brother.

[TacoDelRio]

Personal opinions on the matter:

OMEGA: Cap is a freaking bitch to remove.
OTHER ONE: Straw is 42 feet long, which is rediculous.

I've heard that SOURCE bladders are supposed to be real nice, and that they "vomit" water into your mouth instead of forcing you to suck it out like a thirsty whore.

[goat89]

You mean the ThermoBak straw is 42 feet long? I don't really understand. Do you mean the drinking tube?

[goat89]

Hi MP.net users! Last year, I did a thread on a recommendation for a good Hydration Pack. It was very informative, so thank you to all those who contributed. Now on to the question of this thread. I am looking for a good hydration Pack with those MOLLE attchments where you can fit pouches. I find that very useful. I first saw a pic of such Hydration pack, but I can't find it... If you have used such a pack, please place a pic of it here if possible and talk about it! Thx in advance!

[Ezekiel25:17]

http://www.patrollersupply.com/gear/category_102.asp

[Närskydd]

I enjoy this one. 3 liter water capacity and 3 liter loading capacity + a small portion of MOLLE. Just right for day patrols combined with a LB vest i think. And I like the protecting cover over the filling hole of the water pouch.

Well, it just serves me right.

Sorry bout the first pic.

[ArmyJonHall]

If you're looking for something to attach to your vest, a good option is the SORD Hydration cover. (http://www.sordaustralia.com/hydrationcover.htm) I've got one myself, haven't taken it out field yet though.

[Roaming East]

http://www.lapolicegear.com/cade5tahyve.html
Turns the whole camelbak into a vest with molle attachment points up the yinyang if your interested

[BrianT]

Eagles Industry has a pouch. Its a bit slim though. I had a hardtime fitting a 3L pouch into it. I ended up not weaving the strap through every loop. Not sure if it was designed that way.

[oregano]

In what colours are you're CamelBak's in Iraq? I've seen pictures of army guys with 3-colour desert Bak's, have they bought them themselves, or are they issued?

[herman30]

Personal opinions on the matter:
OTHER ONE: Straw is 42 feet long, which is rediculous.


Damn right it is ridiculous! That´s about 12 meters. rofl
Are you sure it´s not 42 inch?

[seraosha]

yea, and she thinks it's 12 inches too.p-)

[Sand Man]

I'm not in Iraq, but maybe my opinion still counts...

After using various camelbaks over the last few years, I've finaly binned them. They can be useful, but my last few big jobs have had me spending long periods of time in the field. The camelbak becomes a nuisance very quickly.

I'm either having to tuck it under that ruck flap, or strap it to the outside, either way the hose manages to get in the way, or get lost/caught on some piece of gear (hey buddy can you hand me my hose?)

A lot of guys would have the nozzle portion come off after time, which sucks. What more commonly happens is during movement the nozzle gets dirt on it and gets all nasty. Not a big deal except a lot of the dirt and mud here is "seasoned" by livestock...or humans.

I've gone to the nalgene bottle, or just the bottles we are given. All our resupply is bottled water. I've just gone to trying to simplify my kit a bit, and go with the essentials.

When bad stuff starts happening the less I have to get caught/tangled/lost the better.

my .02

Do you use a vest or chest rig? If so, don't they have thingys you attach the end of the hose with?

[Beowulf]

Do you use a vest or chest rig? If so, don't they have thingys you attach the end of the hose with?

Not sure I understand what you mean.

Are you talking about the little metal rings to guide the hose, or a clamp like device to hold the hose? Had them both, the hose gets in the way regardless.

Like when I have to take my gear off for a meeting or some other purpose. We already have enough crap to carry, and get tangled up in, it seems the camelbak just adds to the confusion.

I wear a chest harness for vehicle mounted/urban work, especially in the UAHMMWVS or Toyota's they both get crowded quickly. (another annoying thing about camelbak is wearing one in a vehicle for long periods of time, doesn't work, not for me anyway)

I wear an older school H-harness for longer term field work. It carries a TON of stuff.

[Sand Man]

Not sure I understand what you mean.

Are you talking about the little metal rings to guide the hose, or a clamp like device to hold the hose?

Yep.


I wear an older school H-harness for longer term field work. It carries a TON of stuff.

Got pics of you in them with TONs of stuff? p-)

[BrianT]

I've never had the hose get in the way, but whatever. I think it's only downfall is you can't guzzle water when you're really thirsty and you're not worried about picking up, and running all over the damn place.

[HoboWithAK]

Personal opinions on the matter:

OMEGA: Cap is a freaking bitch to remove.
OTHER ONE: Straw is 42 feet long, which is rediculous.

I've heard that SOURCE bladders are supposed to be real nice, and that they "vomit" water into your mouth instead of forcing you to suck it out like a thirsty whore.


roflroflroflroflrofl

Your eloquence is stunning

rofl

[TacoDelRio]

Hahah thanks.

By 42 feet long, I simply meant that the damn straw on the longneck model is long enough to route form your pack under your nuts, through your shirt, back through your pack, into you buddies pack, past his nuts, then oiver your shoulder, and you've still got extra damned straw.

It's damn long basically.

[Catch22]

I'd strongly suggest moving to Source hydration bladders. I'm still having my Thermoback, but the Israeli ones are just better, especially cleaning-wise. I think they won over CB the contract for the new bladder for the Corps.

http://www.source-military.com/

[Royal]

I've never had the hose get in the way, but whatever.

I have. They're great for running with in hot weather, good for speed marches (hydrate or die :)) and buuger all good in the field. They get manky, give you D&V and the hose gets in the way.

[XIE]

http://www.gerbergear.com/product.php?model=1016

This is what I use and love it. Got it for AUD$40!

[BrianT]

I have. They're great for running with in hot weather, good for speed marches (hydrate or die :)) and buuger all good in the field. They get manky, give you D&V and the hose gets in the way.
How are you routing it through your kit?

[Royal]

Nowadays? Out of my sac and down the shoulder strap - but I'm a stinking civvy now.

Back in the day. Out of my sac and down the shoulder of my vest or rig. I wanted to be able to ditch my sac (or get in it fast) easily...

[Sand Man]

Back in the day. Out of my sac and down the shoulder of my vest or rig. I wanted to be able to ditch my sac (or get in it fast) easily...

Like this?



By the way, I see lots of pics where they did it the way you described but the hose came out on the side anyways...

[BrianT]

Nowadays? Out of my sac and down the shoulder strap - but I'm a stinking civvy now.

Back in the day. Out of my sac and down the shoulder of my vest or rig. I wanted to be able to ditch my sac (or get in it fast) easily...
Hum...this must be a problem with the standard IBA.

[SamHamam]

I have. They're great for running with in hot weather, good for speed marches (hydrate or die :)) and buuger all good in the field. They get manky, give you D&V and the hose gets in the way.

Hear, hear.

[Remington Rand]

I have the thermobak and am happy with its performance. They are very well made and with the large opening, very easy to fill.

The downside is cleaning- drying out the bladder and hose is next to impossible. They claim that there is an anti-microbial compound that inhibits bacteria growth, but I prefer to dry it out completely to be sure.

RR

[Beowulf]

I have. They're great for running with in hot weather, good for speed marches (hydrate or die :)) and buuger all good in the field. They get manky, give you D&V and the hose gets in the way.

hmmm, you pretty much summed up in two sentences what took me a paragraph or so.


I guess that's why I'm still in and you're living it up on civvy street. :)

[Beowulf]

Yep.



Got pics of you in them with TONs of stuff? p-)

you taking the piss?

[AUDIEM249]

refering to them in Iraq i ditched mine because it is much simpler to manage a water bottle in your truck, i have only used mine on the occasional OP. a problem that helped with the stupid hose was getting a carabiner to run it through. just my thoughts on the camel back.

[BrianT]

refering to them in Iraq i ditched mine because it is much simpler to manage a water bottle in your truck, i have only used mine on the occasional OP. a problem that helped with the stupid hose was getting a carabiner to run it through. just my thoughts on the camel back.
550 probably works a bit better.

[Royal]

I guess that's why I'm still in and you're living it up on civvy street. :)

Come to the dark side young Beo ;) you know it makes sense :)

[Ghostryder]

Cannot say enough good things about mine in terms of trekking/running around the woods. When my nipple gets dirty I pull a little maneuver kinda like cleaning the threads of a Nalgene where I cup my hand around the nip, squeeze a little, and then rub the dirt off, anything that stays on well, that adds to my daily protein intake ;) hasn't gotten me sick yet. I've gotten it pretty dirty, but nothing close to what people are probably experiencing with the talcum powder sand in Iraq.

this should help

[Scottie]

What are the best hydration packs out there for running NOT walking or hiking. I've read through some of the camelbak threads, however it doesn't seem to be directed towards runners. I know someone who used a belt with bottles that fit into small pouches who say these are far better than camelbak. However the 'camelbak' appeals more to me, but I heard it isn't the best for running as it can cause friction marks. Does anyone have any first hand info or knowledge in this area? I'm looking out for a slim, 2L one something nice and compact. Regards

[digrar]

I do have first hand knowledge of friction burn/rash from camelbak straps. I hardened up and worked through them.

[Jaeger07]

I never run far enough to be in need of water during my run. My father, however, is an exelent marathon runner (even in his 50s). He always uses belts with pouches for small bottles. You can get these in most sports-stores and they come in a variety of shapes and sizes.

As you said camel-back systems ar more for hikers. The ruck-sack type of carrying is more stressfull than belt-carrying when running, pluss: have you ever tried to drink through a tube while running? its not fun :)

Bottles are a better choise IMO.

Cheers!

[Scottie]

Well I wont be running marathons, but I do need water. I run in 35-40 degree celcius heat in the sun, so keeping hydrated is a must. Yea from what i've heard the belts are good because they reduce friction, but it doesn't seem as practical as the camelbak

[Kilo Golf]

Needing to drink water is a crutch.....:)


--KG

[ZoneOne]

Check out Hydrastorm, it's a company similar to Camelback but they offer waste-packs or fanny packs that hold around 2L of water.

[CoRe]

Well I wont be running marathons, but I do need water. I run in 35-40 degree celcius heat in the sun, so keeping hydrated is a must. Yea from what i've heard the belts are good because they reduce friction, but it doesn't seem as practical as the camelbak

You shouldnt run at all then. It's not only hydration, but heigh temps will cause serious problems if youre exposed to them under physical stress. e.g Sun pass (dont know if its the correct translation, though) and simple overheating.

[Scottie]

You shouldnt run at all then. It's not only hydration, but heigh temps will cause serious problems if youre exposed to them under physical stress. e.g Sun pass (dont know if its the correct translation, though) and simple overheating.

I can cope in that temperatue, thing is I share a hydration belt with a friend who i run with, and it would be more practical to have my own.

Once the temperate increases i'll be running indoors.

[JDZ]

I use a Camelback for running and it works quite well. I bought a completly cheap Camelback imitation and took out the poor quality bladder. As a bladder I took my issued Camelback. The advantage of the small backpack are its chest and waist belt so that it has a tight fit. The one here looks quite equal but mine costed half of that.

http://www.recon-company.com/Trinkrucksack_FOX_2_5_Liter_Sand_Schwarz-5268-1022-d.html

And running in 35° C is of course not very healthy but I'm also doing that in summer or vacation and I'm still alive. You must only watch out not to overheat, dehydrate and also compensate the salt loss. If you run longer distances (20k+) you should take at least two bottles. One with normal water and one with some kind sport drink (not this sweet stuff, salts are important). Bottles are better for that because they are easier to clean.
So have fun in the sun!

[Scottie]

Yea unfortunately the climate here is very hot, and in the winter it will get down to 20C. I am only running short distances for now, so a large pack is not needed. That pack in the link does seem rather large compared to say the 'Camelbak thermobak'.

[Lerch]

Buy something like a pistol belt and just one or two canteens on them. Camelbaks are great and all, but you loose breath when you're sucking on them, not exactly a good thing while running.

[Sabre]

Most running shops sell neoprene belts which fit water bottles in. They look like weight lifters back supports but I would imagine that are fairly comfortable and better than a camelback for 'bounce'.

Do you run completely exposed to sun? Perhaps it would be better to have a route where you only run a couple miles at a time before you stop in some shade and stretch/drink.

[Scottie]

Most running shops sell neoprene belts which fit water bottles in. They look like weight lifters back supports but I would imagine that are fairly comfortable and better than a camelback for 'bounce'.

Do you run completely exposed to sun? Perhaps it would be better to have a route where you only run a couple miles at a time before you stop in some shade and stretch/drink.

Yea always in the sun. I only run short distance 3 miles or so. However this is still enough for me to require a hydration system in 40 or so degrees. :P

[bluffcove]

three miles is not enough to die of dehydraton save your pennies, your legs your effort and your pride by getting home sooner and having a drink when you get back
a dry mouth isnt the end of the world.

[Remington Rand]

don't use dish soap..... i didn't rinse it too well, and so next time i went for a run i got a mouth full of soapy water.

I use dishsoap, but a little goes a long way. I use only a drop or so, and also I have some biodegradable soap. It is actually edible, just in case. On the label is says "in case of accidental injestion, drink plenty of water". The first time I put too much in and got some residue, but now I use one drop, rinse well and have good luck. I have probably cleaned it 10 times or so.

[Remington Rand]

Just put some Bacardi 151 ....that will do the job !!!

Hooah Jveld!

[MBTex]

After cleaning rinse with mouth wash. It gives the water a nice minty taste.

[Scrim]

I just found one of my old camelbacks in real **** state with black stuff growing in it, so I just binned it. But it got me wondering, Ill bet that is what the inside of our old green/black canteens looked like. I mean I never cleaned mine with bleach or anything, and didnt know anyone who did. I think I wiil spray paint my camelback so I cant see whats going on inside anymore!

[Royal]

Milton tablets/fluid - the stuff you use for sterilising baby bottles - cheap, safe and it works

[ZoneOne]

All this talk makes me want to go clean my two camelbaks right now.

:-)

BTW I have the two brushes purchased from CamelBak -- the scrubber, and the hose brush. Both work pretty well. I've used soap before and other times I used a drop of bleach in a gallon of water. Either way works, just rinse thoroughly.

Edit

After cleaning my two camelbaks, I have to say... the hoses get pretty nasty. The mouth piece and the connections / valves are a must clean. I have cleaned them before but haven't cleaned either of them in about two months. I'm just surprised I didn't get sick the last time I used my camelbak. ;-)

[Mike Keenan]

Milton tablets/fluid - the stuff you use for sterilising baby bottles - cheap, safe and it works
That is what I use, but you have to wash out the taste of Milton. It has a horrible after-taste.

[Sabre]

I once left my camelback for about 2 months with around 100ml of carbohydrate mix in, (unbeknown to me, I thought I'd cleaned it). When I came to use it again, I found a rather distasteful home brew waiting for me! I doubt anything could have lived in that moonshine. :lol:

[ZoneOne]

I once left my camelback for about 2 months with around 100ml of carbohydrate mix in, (unbeknown to me, I thought I'd cleaned it). When I came to use it again, I found a rather distasteful home brew waiting for me! I doubt anything could have lived in that moonshine. :lol:

This thread should be renamed to CamelBak horror stories.

rofl

[Dan2004]

I just found one of my old camelbacks in real **** state with black stuff growing in it, so I just binned it. But it got me wondering, Ill bet that is what the inside of our old green/black canteens looked like. I mean I never cleaned mine with bleach or anything, and didnt know anyone who did. I think I wiil spray paint my camelback so I cant see whats going on inside anymore!

I've gone through 2 camelbaks in the last 3 years that way! The only bladder I have now is the one on my combat rig, and I've never had to use that, so it's still pristine (still has that nasty "gear smell").

The only "hydration systems" that I regularly use are my 2 plastic canteens on my ALICE gear. Mainly because I can't see what's going on inside of them. But also because they're old school, and old school is teh shyte. p-)

[Mountain Man]

Use denture cleaning tablets. If they're safe for granny's dentures, they're odourless and safe for your camelbak.

x2, works great just don't overfill as they fizz

[Catch22]

Or just buy a SOURCE bladder. It's much easier to clean and dry.

http://www.source-military.com/

They managed to win the contract over Camelbak, and are on issue in several NATO countries (I've seen them in USMC and UK kit)

And wasnt Naglene supposed to produce transparent canteens in typical US-issue 1-qt shape? That would be welcome addition.

[AROUETLJ]

Has anyone ever used Source hydration systems? I think our French members might be familiar with the name. How do they rate compared to Camelbak, especially in durability? I had a Platypus which lasted a few years but which inexplicably started crumbling to bits. Hehe plastic fatigue or something.

I'm thinking of buying a Source Spinner Pro (2Lt). I'd have bought a Camelbak, but for some strange reason they don't put waist straps on their smaller hydration packs any more. They used to do it on the Lobo, but it's been discontinued. I've always found the waist belt to help in stabilising the pack when you're running.

[One Shot Tactical Supply]

We sell quite a large number of the Source bladders and they are included in all of Tactical Assault Gears packs, as well we do sell some Camelbak packs and bladders

I have recieved complaints about the Camelbaks leaking and the rubber taste of the water in them.

We haven't had any complaints with the Source ones at all.

[Psycomore]

Ive got a dpm source hydration system, i hear the British army is going to replace camelbak with source hydration as their general issue, although might just be a random rumour?

Its a good bit of kit IMO, id rather have my source hydration than my mates camelbak after our comparrison! Its alot easier to clean aswell! So not quite a hygiene risk as camelbak is.

[kiddnplay]

I love Source systems. Camelbak leaves a rubber/plastic aftertaste in the water, whereas Source does not. Higher quality H2O in a bladder that is just as durable as any other hydration system. I would go with Source.

[silveykyle]

I own 2 camelbak's and have had them both for over 3 years. They work great still and as long as you take care of them and clean them out they will last. Having said that, I've only used mine for hiking, back country skiing etc., not in combat conditions.

[Vinny_121_DDS]

Source hydration is the best. No after taste whatsover. Camelbak made me want to puke. I used all kinds of methods, but source sealed the deal. Nalgene had a slight after taste, but at least it wasn't disgusting.

Source 3 L bladders is 13 bucks, compared to camelbak's 50 bucks.

problem with source is that the bite valve leaks, so I usually get up and there's a huge puddle. Got to fix that somehow. I got warranty though.

avoid camelbak. As much as I love their exterior designs, the taste really pissed me off that I had to shop around. Source is made in Israel.

[JJC]

I've never heard bad reviews against Camelback, I thought they're #1 in quality. I hear people complain about other hydration packs for being prone with leaks. What about BlackHawk's hydrastorm any experiences with them?

Gerber has a very unique design, made out of flexible plastic, but don't know anything about them. http://www.gerbergear.com/hydration.php

[Vinny_121_DDS]

I've never heard bad reviews against Camelback, I thought they're #1 in quality. I hear people complain about other hydration packs for being prone with leaks. What about BlackHawk's hydrastorm any experiences with them?

Gerber has a very unique design, made out of flexible plastic, but don't know anything about them. http://www.gerbergear.com/hydration.php

No, camelbak is the one that leaks, and tastes strange. Trust me. I've had issues where I had to walk around all day on campus with a soaked underwear, shirt, and pants. I'm sort of complaining... then again, I'm not a marine or navy SEAL.

Blackhawk, I thought about them, but I live in canada, nobody had any reviews about them, nobody sold them, ebay was pricy, and they had strange exteriors, no where near the sexiness of camelbak. So I didn't buy it, so I resorted to www.MEC.ca store and bought the source hydration there. Real happy since.

[maple.leaf]

I have to say that I prefer the way that Source bladders open fully at the top so you clean them out - and dry them - thoroughly after use. I also like the way their bite valves are angled. So, from my comparisons of the two - I'd probably say I prefer Source as well.

[kayaker]

thought source was Swedish by design?

[Sand Man]

... avoid camelbak. As much as I love their exterior designs....

Source exterior designs aren't that bad, IMHO.

http://www.source-military.com/products/product_page.asp?prodId=5

[Marsh]

thought source was Swedish by design?

Hi Ryan,
Nope, they are Israeli. they have been around for a while and used to trade under the name Makor (Hebrew for source). I have used their stuff whilst photographing the military and it is usually excellent. Camelback is pretty good too, but in my opinion over-priced with the addditonal problem of the taste-taint others have mentioned.

cheers
Marsh

[Beer Monster]

Ive got a dpm source hydration system, i hear the British army is going to replace camelbak with source hydration as their general issue, although might just be a random rumour?


I seem to recall that was the case. They also have their own NSN number now (NSN 8465-99-842-7034).

[maple.leaf]

I think they've been issued to the Bundeswehr as well...

[AROUETLJ]

Right, Source it is, then. Thanks a lot for your input, gentlemen.

If I had to name one gripe with Camelback, it's the gimmicky over-engineered features on some of the packs, which do nothing but push up the price of the item... and its weight. And then they don't even add a waist belt.....tsk!

Source has been chosen as the supplier for hydration bags with the FELIN system, so I suppose it's got a pretty good reputation.

Here's a tip for cleaning hydration pouches (which I've used several times): denture-cleaning tablets. Even ones which are past the expiry date. They work very well, and leave a clean(ish) taste.

[muttbutt]

Yep Source, we even got them to make an hydration/assualt pack for us, Irish camo pattern and all, very nice piece of kit
http://www.source-military.com/products/product_page.asp?prodId=16

[kayaker]

Hi Ryan,
Nope, they are Israeli. they have been around for a while and used to trade under the name Makor (Hebrew for source). I have used their stuff whilst photographing the military and it is usually excellent. Camelback is pretty good too, but in my opinion over-priced with the addditonal problem of the taste-taint others have mentioned.

cheers
Marsh

Cheers March. By the sound of it great bit of affordable kit.

[Psycomore]

Here's a tip for cleaning hydration pouches (which I've used several times): denture-cleaning tablets. Even ones which are past the expiry date. They work very well, and leave a clean(ish) taste.


Thers a thread on tips for cleaning hydration systems, very helpful info

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80741

[M_trace1187]

The Gerber hydration packs are great . The semi rigid bladder dosen't collapse like a camelbak making it much easier to clean . The tube is easier to take off than the camel back . I never could get the one off my camelbak . The only thing I miss about my camelbak is the on/off valve and the bite valve cover.

[echohund]

I recently bought this camelbak Hawg, its really cool and everything but the main compartment has these huge panels of velcro on the inside. .....what the hell are they for?? Ive never seen anything that would be practical as far as hook and loop style pouches, everything that i could find is usually just { Pal-molle clip style } attachements. If anyone has seen this style before let me know......thanks!!!

Much thanks guys!
Echohund

[freedomofold]

I know Camelbak has a trauma pack insert, maybe its to be adaptable to that. Or Camelbak is making a concealed carry style these days, possibly to attach a 5.11 style concealed holster.

[Kilo Golf]

Probably to throw extra glint, name tapes, etc. Everything is velcro nowadays.

--KG

[Vinny_121_DDS]

yeah probably extra glint. You never know when you need more. Or could be a safe storage area for name tapes, id unit patches when the cameras start rolling.

[Trouble]

I recently bought this camelbak Hawg, its really cool and everything but the main compartment has these huge panels of velcro on the inside. .....what the hell are they for?? Ive never seen anything that would be practical as far as hook and loop style pouches, everything that i could find is usually just { Pal-molle clip style } attachements. If anyone has seen this style before let me know......thanks!!!

Much thanks guys!
Echohund

Looks like you bought the Blackwater edition of the HAWG. Now I cannot say for sure what they were thinking but an educated guess is that the velcro panels are for securing various pouches with velcro backings similar to those used on some LE type armor vests. As far as I Know the regular HAWG (the non Blackwater version) has an assortment of dividers and pouches built in that you can use to secure small items and some gear.

Hope that helps, and if anyone knows better please correct me.

[scrybe]

Wasn't there some crappy procedure for a while that inside the FOB everyone had to wear red-white-blue flag patches, but upon leaving, switched to the subdued flags? I would guess storage for something like that.

[TacoDelRio]

I have a similar section of velcro inside of a few small packs. They are advertised as being for concealed carry holsters, as said before. Hopefully that's in line with what you've got.

[FiveOneFive]

I need to find a decent website which stocks Camelbak's at a reasonable price and will ship internationally.

I had a look through the Gear Vendor thread and couldn't find much, USCAV.com had them at a good price but they wanted to charge me $105.00USD postage for 2 Camelbaks (I've had a pair of Ski's sent for $70.00USD).

Thanks

[Trenchcoat]

Heres one a little closer to home
http://www.legear.com.au/camelbak-australia-hydration-s/49.htm
I've ordered some boots off them before they're based both in Australia and New Zealand.
They also have a shipping calculator.

[FiveOneFive]

Thanks, I like buying from the States at the moment because of the exchange rate.

But this site seems pretty cheap.

[Trenchcoat]

I like buying from the States at the moment because of the exchange rate.
Same here but the problem is still the shipping cost, so if I can get it closer to home I will.

[DevilDogHopeful]

Built for high-speed tactical environments, the NEW Delta-5

Uh oh. In come the airsofters.

[goat89]

Uh oh. In come the airsofters.

HAHA... damn u DDH... u a**hole... u had to say that!

[DevilDogHopeful]

HAHA... damn u DDH... u a**hole... u had to say that!

My bad. p-)

[FiveOneFive]

Thanks for the input......

I'm not Airsoft either, if that's what you're implying. :)

[jsb]

Here in holland [i know long way] A new unused camel bag with cleaning kit and gasmask adapter will set you bag 50 to 60 euro.
These are the newest type because the intake is covert and the bag itself is with silver made.
The left 1 =royal marines/korp mariniers
The right1= special forces royal marines the dangeres black people.
There also in desert en dutch dpm

[Vinny_121_DDS]

Are you aware of camelbak's leaky, and after taste issues? I gave it 100% effort to try and like their bladders, but I simply couldn't take it anymore. I switched to israeli made Source hydration, no problems since.

Just want to give you a heads up before you buy.

[FiveOneFive]

Crap, I just got two off Ebay for $46USD each, and with reasonable shipping. Oh well, **** happens.

[TriChrome]

Are you aware of camelbak's leaky, and after taste issues?
I've never had a problem with them leaking (been using them since about 2000), and the newer ones have an anti-microbial coating which eliminates (in my experience) the bad taste they can get when you don't clean them properly.

[Vinny_121_DDS]

I always got that plastic taste. Well, if it works for you, I wouldn't change it.

[Cdt.Hawkins]

My problem is that when I try to wear my pack,with my camelbak on it puts the pack all over the place.
It simply will not sit comfordably.
Does any one have a solution?

[digrar]

You wear your pack over the top of your camalbak?

[playtym]

It causes less draq that way. p-)

[~center~]

^^^ LMAO!!! rofl

Ok, seriously, put it on/in your ruck or get a new pack that is more compatible (usually one with a large cargo frame).

[Cralis]

IMHO the new day packs that put the camelbak inside are worthless because the camelback eats up 50% of your space, and the outside pouch is now streamlined (reducing its capacity as well).

If you are wearing your ruck then put it inside that. Otherwise I've seen some people mount them using Blackhawk Camelbak pouches, but putting it outside the pack. The only disadvantage to this is that it gets exposed to sunlight. If your not using your daypack or ruck you can also use the BH pouch to mount it to your LBV or IBA.

[angry cow]

Putting it on outside of your ruck makes it easier to refill the camelback without having to fish it out of the ruck and then put it back in.

There is no perfect solution, its going to be kind of awkward either way. I've tried the combination ruck/camelbacks and they are difficult to refill at night in the field. I would recommend just having a separate camelback outside of your ruck. And make sure you get your name on everything, pretty much everyone has slight variations of the same equipment in the same camo pattern and it can get difficult to find your stuff in a hurry.

[Cdt.Hawkins]

Well thanks to those who actually said something worthwhile.
I've worked it out.All I have to do now is undo 3 clips and the pack just falls off.
Thanks.

[TriChrome]

When you say "pack" I'm guessing you're using a large back-pack type, or a hiking pack to carry all your food/shelter/water/etc. for a trip (if I'm off here, just ignore the rest of my post).

Either way, you want your heaviest item (which is usually that 3 liters of water) to sit as close to your back, in the center, as possible. If you put it on the outside of your pack you're putting more weight on your shoulders when most of it should be on your waist.

[Sabre]

Just use a water bottle.

[California Joe]

Well thanks to those who actually said something worthwhile.

Wind your neck in youngster.

I've worked it out. All I have to do now is undo 3 clips and the pack just falls off.
Thanks.

This part was all you needed to write.

You're welcome.

[Vinny_121_DDS]

I do the same thing. I strap my camelbak 3L mule system on me first, then I put my rucksack on top of it. You have to make sure the straps are on evenly (I do it using a ruler, measure the pull straps) if you want to avoid it moving all over the place. It may look weird having 2 backpacks, but at least you're hydrated.

[Cralis]

BTW, if your purchasing a camelbak and you want it to go under your pack, make sure you buy the flat one *grin*

[MrScruff]

Just use a water bottle.
For cadets?! He'll die of thirst before he even gets the cap unscrewed!

[Vinny_121_DDS]

BTW, if your purchasing a camelbak and you want it to go under your pack, make sure you buy the flat one *grin*

yep, I got the flat one alright.

edit: K, I get the joke now.

[JC0352]

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

[James]

Good advice all around. Put the camelback in/on the ruck. Let put this thread to sleep!

[cone256]

I always got that plastic taste. Well, if it works for you, I wouldn't change it.

Yeah seems the luck of the draw really. The one I was issued has the bad taste but the one I personally bought doesn't. Then again it could be the fact that it US Army issue :roll:

[tf_echelon]

yeah so i came across a 3L camelbak bladder the other day that ive been looking for for a while. anyway, it has the ever so popular mold smell that seems to inhabit every surplus shop ive ever been in.

does anybody know how to clean a bladder out without dropping a $50 on the "camelbak drying rack and assorted cleaning... stuff?"


im talkin house hold products here gents.


any takers?


many thanks.

[ADK031]

The bladder you bought is used and has that smell?

[Robbee]

..........

[He219]

Yes, try fizzing denture cleaner.
Believe it or not. Just rinse aterward.


Does the same job as the expensive fizz & brush kit.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80741

Don't forget to air-dry completely.


http://www.youtube.com/v/t-x_hkgdW7A&rel=1

[Vinny_121_DDS]

I use that coat hanger dry thing. Works real well, no problems with it. Most of my friends who have a camelbak simply abuse it by not drying it out, or disinfecting the mouthpiece with some kind of soap, toothpaste, or listerine.

Edit: to clean the mold out of it, I'd have to use a low concentration bleach. You don't want to degrade the plastic, and of course, rinse well.

[Albatross]

I use bleach and hot water. let it soak overnight, then rinse it a gazillion times. Tastes funny but wont ya wont get sick. Might get cancer in a few years but hell, who isnt.

[DnA]

I use bleach and hot water. let it soak overnight, then rinse it a gazillion times. Tastes funny but wont ya wont get sick. Might get cancer in a few years but hell, who isnt.


Yea, you gotta make sure you rinse it out really well or else you will get the sh*ts.

[gafkiwi]

We ahd a S***load of camelbak cleaning kits show up at our Q Store. The Store Creatures were just handing them out all willy nilly, no records of who did or didnt get one. Pretty much the whole Bn had one each, but every time you'd call pass the Q they'd ask if you had one and sure enough everyone would say "NO". Needless to say alot of the little cammed carry bags they come with are being used for holding other crap and I've seen a few of the brushes added to weapon cleaning kits!

Shady Bastards

[T3ngu]

I use bleach and hot water. let it soak overnight, then rinse it a gazillion times. Tastes funny but wont ya wont get sick. Might get cancer in a few years but hell, who isnt.

I tried alcohol with mine (methylated spirits and rum), didnt work as well as bleach. But if im in a rush, I will run some form of alcohol through just to kill the bacteria. Dont look good but works (i.e. still may look dirty or dare i say mould ridden).

After reading the posts, denture cleaning tablets may be the go.

[antagonist22]

Anyone know how to properly clean AND dry the tube? My tube seems to have white stuff on the side.

[Vinny_121_DDS]

Anyone know how to properly clean AND dry the tube? My tube seems to have white stuff on the side.

Hmm, looks like that's permanent. That's the problem with camelbaks. I always sucked the water out of it to help it dry back in the day.

The next purchase for hydration packs, I recommend this product


http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442592205&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302699815&bmUID=1200012318340

You can remove the tube and blow out the water from the tube to allow better drying. Also, sort of off topic, you can buy the Source tube insulator for 7 dollars which normally runs for 50 dollars from camelbak.
http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524442618576&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302699815&bmUID=1200012318341

[tf_echelon]

well looks like denture tabs for me. although i do like the sound of the mouthwash idea...... mmmmm.... minty. but i also feel like and idiot for posting before looking... sorry mods. *DOOH*

[eR_Skaarj]

Hi all, first please excuse me my english...

Well - I bought new pack with chem bio reservoir 4.0 (all by Camelbak).
In attachments of reservoir, between reservoir - tube and tube - muzzle, is somethink like clear vaseline. Is it normal? If yes, why is it there?

Reservoir is new, never used.

Thanks for help

[GrimReaper]

Probably a bit of silicone grease/lubricant. Frequently used to lube and waterproof tubes at the connection, o-rings, filter housings etc'. Perfectly normal if it is, both on some new products and as maintenance on products in use (however I'm not familiar with the exact model you have).

[eR_Skaarj]

Probably a bit of silicone grease/lubricant. Frequently used to lube and waterproof tubes at the connection, o-rings, filter housings etc'. Perfectly normal if it is, both on some new products and as maintenance on products in use (however I'm not familiar with the exact model you have).

Thanks a lot!

[winchester_down]

Yeah i've got two camelbak's (none a chembio version though)
and they both had that clear gel thing you described.



Do you think you are ever going to really need that chembio reservoir?
Sounded like a gimmick to me, I've got a 3L thermobak and an issued 2L basic camelbak.


winchester

[eR_Skaarj]

Do you think you are ever going to really need that chembio reservoir?
Sounded like a gimmick to me, I've got a 3L thermobak and an issued 2L basic camelbak.

winchester

No, of course not. I bought mainly pack, chembio reservoir was in as "bonus" ( I assumed there is normal reservoir - but I'll not report for it).

[Britboy]

Hey MP.net community, I have recently got a Camelbak, the Brit version, yey!

BUT, the question is, am I going to die from Sarin/VX poisoning because I didnt buy the chem-proof reservoir and attachment to hook it up to my respirator?

OR, are these things just a marketing ploy?

HOWEVER, google tells me you can get a filter for Camelbak that plugs into the hose and resides in the pack, therefore you can fill it with dirty water (from a pond with a dead llama in it) and you will still drink clean water.

THIS seems a good idea, but there again I don't really want a reservoir full of llama-flavoured mud, even if it is filtered before it reaches my pert lips.

SO, can I use water purification tablets in a Camelbak? Or will that melt the plastic reservoir into oblivion?

AND, I understand if I poured screech/drinks powder into the reservoir, that would be A Bad Thing, right? As in I would probably die from the multiplying sugar-fuelled germs next time I tried to use it?

AND I saw a piccie of the new Camelbaks and you can't see the bottlecap that you always could see, it looks like its covered with fabric now. Whats with the new design? Is it more IRR-friendly or summat?

SERIOUSLY though, does anyone use an inline filter? I'm not planning to buy the NBC stuff for it, as frankly, I'm not planning on getting gassed anytime soon; but I can see how a filter to turn bad water into clean water is A Good Thing out in the sticks.

AND anyone know if water purification tablets are okay for use in there?
And if/when I have to clean the thing, and how to do that without splurging a tenner to get the 'Camelbak dishwasher tablet' to pop in there?

Cheers everyone!!
BB

PS: BB's Top Camelbak Tip - you can fit icecubes into the spout :)

[StuRat]

Where are you that you're likely to come into contact from sarin?

http://www.botachtactical.com/cainmifi.html

Looks like the filter will be better for you than the purifier tablets

Seriously though the more germs and stuff we filter out, the more at risk we are later on in life.

[Britboy]

Yeh the Sarin bit wasnt serious, just concious of the fact that the NBC stuff was advertised. Like I said, I've no plans to get mixed up in all that anyway!!

Maybe 'whatever doesnt kill you makes you stronger', but equally I dont like spending days with the squits from a bug! There again, I'll bet most of the stream water in the hills is about as pure as it gets...

I'll probably just pop a puritab in there every so often, and avoid pouring drinks powder in too.

Any idea on cleaning the thing?

I had a little pamphlet come with it that listed all the stuff you can buy for cleaning it (more money :( ) but then says 'not for everyday cleaning'. So when will it need cleaning, as long as I put in good water it should be fine pretty much indefinitely, right?

Maybe if I put a whole lot of puritabs in there and left it to stand and then rinsed it with hot water it'd clean it out too, whenever it does need cleaning. That'd be cheaper and easier than splurging out on all the extra stuff.

Anyone here got any tales of woe from fungus-laden Camelbaks? How do you clean yours? And how to you know when it needs cleaning?

All v confusing stuff!

Regards
BB

[bluffcove]

Dont put anything in them apart from water.

Puritabs wont kill it so use them for mining ditch water or stagnant water.

Running water is generally safe in the uk (not agricultural run off, or dead sheep valleys)

And the problem with CBRN would come from getting the straw decontaminated toward your mouth rather than the water already in your camelback going funky.

[remfleader]

I suspect to a large degree its just a marketing ploy so that Camelbak can say its NBC compliant and in doing so garner MIL/GOV contracts. Just my two cents.

[StuRat]

Using the chem ones are useless unless you buy their gasmask conversion kits.

http://www.camelbak.com.au/secureshop/product.php?ProductID=111&cat_id=34

Fungus laden camelbaks are usualy dealt with bleach or baking powder

[Royal]

Use the search function - this has been covered a few times in here....

My top tip remains Milton fluid - and yes, they do need cleaning (regularly) unless you enjoy D&V.

[Scrim]

The brush kit is worth buying. Dont bother with the "'Camelbak dishwasher tablet" just use some of those fizzy denture/ false teeth cleaning tablets.
Somehow we all survived with our old canteens that no one ever cleaned, before we had these fancy see thru water bladders.

[Britboy]

Yeh I've not had any dramas with the normal waterbottles in any case, but not sure what the score is with the water bladders...

S'pose I will just chuck in some Milton/denture tablets/baking soda once a year and job jobbed...

Thanks for the advice
BB

[Vinny_121_DDS]

don't put anything other than water. You'll be sorry if you do. The after taste will stay for some odd reason, and bacteria will flourish because of the presence of sugar.

[Waterman]

I have used the in line filter. I use when I am going into areas where water resupply is of questionable purity (streams, ponds, etc). The inline filter has yet to let me down.

As far as the NBC rated bladder.....why bother ? Unless you are in the military and think you may be exposed to that type of situation, it is money wasted.

And I will agree with not putting anything but water in the bladder to extend it's life and keep it crud free. I have had occasions where I needed to carry something other than water, and I have used the Blackhawk/Hydrastorm disposeable bladders with positive results. You need to get an entire Hydrastorm tube kit to use with it, but with the right sized bladder it will fit in the Camelbak carriers. Then you can toss it when it gets cruddy.

[Vinny_121_DDS]

If you seriously want to put juice or alcohol in your camelbak, I suggest you buy a Source Widepak 3L Hydration pack, and then you can slide it into your camelbak carrier. You can open it wide, and get your sponge in to clear any bacteria hiding in the corners, and you can rip off the hose no problem and rinse that out separately.

[Britboy]

Yeh, like I say, whether I'm doing mil stuff or just chuck it in my daysack when out hiking, I'm def planning to not get gassed, so am not going to buy all that clonk. If the worst comes to the worst you still have your normal waterbottles with the NBC caps anyway don't you. Just wanted to mention it and get peoples feedback on it seeing as it was mentioned pretty majorly in the booklet that came with it. Probably just an add-on so that the Camelback company can comply with STANAG and get more orders from NATO countries or something. If it was that big a deal then the Brit-back one I got would include it in there already, wouldn't it? So I'm not losing sleep over it...

Think I will stay clear of topping it up with screech or booze and just throw the odd puritab in there and degunge it properly once a year with baby bottle steriliser or something (not Jeyes fluid!!!)... jobs a good 'un...

Cheers all
BB

[1911-a1]

Hey...
Do I need to clean the thing before I use it for the first time?
And also, when I have used it, how do I get the last drops out?

[Jarhead]

Clean it. Its like with everything new.
Get this stuff:

[1911-a1]

I just filled it up with water and dish washing soap or whatever its called. Im gonna let it sit through the night, and tomorrow, im gonna try to clean out the soap and fill it up with regular water and see if it tastes like **** or not. I hope it doesnt.
.

[Vinny_121_DDS]

I just filled it up with water and dish washing soap or whatever its called. Im gonna let it sit through the night, and tomorrow, im gonna try to clean out the soap and fill it up with regular water and see if it tastes like **** or not. I hope it doesnt.
.

Don't put juice in it. The sugar attracts bacteria. Just use water only. I tried camelback 3 times, and I gave up. I use source hydration, and never had a after taste. Plus they're a lot cheaper too.

[iacco]

backing soda added to water and left to rest overnight.
This method is also useful the first time you use the camelback to avoid that plastic taste.

bye

[Moose]

Get Source hydration, no dificulty to clean and no bad taste you get some cleaning stuff included. Only have good experiance with their products.

[Remington Rand]

Yes, try fizzing denture cleaner.
Believe it or not. Just rinse aterward.


Does the same job as the expensive fizz & brush kit.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80741

Don't forget to air-dry completely.


http://www.youtube.com/v/t-x_hkgdW7A&rel=1

Good tip about drying. Camelbaks (and other hydro systems) are extremely tough to dry completely. YOu have to use the plastic drying hanger that c-bak sells or rig something yourself. I almost always end up having to put a fan through the large hole and leave the valve open (bite valve removed) on the far end and let it dry that way. Works, but takes overnight at least. I havent ever gotten mold (probably due to the anti-microbial plastic), but imagine that if mold ever got in the system, its shot.

I use the camelbak fizzy tablets (pic above) or biodegradeable food-grade dish soap. I say food grade since it is some sort of coconut-based surfactant and is supposedly edible. That way if a little residue stays in the bladder, it wont hurt you.

On a separate note- anything flavored you put in a camelbak tends to leave its taste. I used a 25% gatorade, 75% water mix a few months back and can still clearly taste it when I use the bladder. Doesnt taste bad, but the taste definitely lingers. RR

[1911-a1]

Im gonna need one of those tube cleaning things. I think Im gonna try to make one myself.

[Eddie_uv777]

Which is the best brand?

and what brand is being issued to soldiers?

[winchester_down]

Which is the best brand?

Camelbak

and what brand is being issued to soldiers?

Camelbak




A bit of a monopoly on the market at the moment, but alas, i have two which both work well.

[digrar]

I just merged this into the most recent Camalbak thread, there was only about 50 or so to choose from....

[StuRat]

I have a Blackhawk 3 litre and is pretty good apart from the mouthpiece leaked, had it replaced under warranty and now have to get it repllpaced because it cracked in the mail to my house.

[phigment]

I go on hikes every weekend when I'm off work so I finally decided to buy a hydration pack for the longer ones. I was looking at a Camelbak M.U.L.E. with a 100 oz. bladder. Normally I don't drink that much on a hike depending on how hot it is and the distance, but I was looking for the little space I need to carry things like first aid, a knife, socks, food, etc. and this one seemed to fit the bill without me having to buy a bigger and more expensive pack.

So is there anything anyone can tell me about them? I've never owned a Camelbak so I'm unsure of the quality and durability of their stuff.

[digrar]

There are 11 threads on camelbaks, try looking there.

[digrar]

Now that I just merged a heap of them, including yours, there are slightly less camalbak threads.

[phigment]

Right. Forgot about the search button. Thanks. :oops:

[Kravensas]

Hello!
I'm looking for a small, short hidration carrier for my Diamondback tactical Fast Attack Plate Carrier.
The BHI "Short/wide" hydration carrier was perfect but no longer in production...
does someone have any advice or suggestions?

for the color, ranger green and tan. (yes, i bought 2 plate carrier of the same type, different colour)

thanks a lot!

[kraut783]

Try: www.optactical.com

Look under the hydration tab, they have many types from different companies.

[Kravensas]

thanks, I already know optactical...

my problem is that a "normal" hydration carrier do not stay into the limit of the plate carrier. My first level is a Blackwater padded belt with a HSGI 200 round pouch as a small buttback in the rear. For that i'm looking for a shorter hydration carrier...

[kraut783]

Mmmm...I will look around, but you might have to take an existing holder and alter it...just a thought.

[Kravensas]

uhm... I tought the same...

thanks anyway for the help!

stefano

[SMGLee]

Camelbak Hotshot 3L with a Maxpedition GRIMLOC or something like an Emdom universal rig strap...

[SF Wannabe]

The USAF has not approved the use of the Camelbak CBRN reservoir. The US Army has. I was told by a US Army CBRN guy that it is due to the Army's view of acceptable loss in war. The USAF will not let you use something if there is a remote chance of it hurting you or not fully protecting you. The USAF has not paid the money to test the CBRN reservoir.

I have 4 Camelbaks (70oz original, 100oz MULE, 2 100oz desert models) and a 100oz Blackhawk in a Raptor pack.

With all of them I have found that if you mistreat them and do not promptly clean them they will smell and taste bad. I like what Blackhawk has done with their connections how they auto close when you take off the tube. The Microban seems to work pretty well also.

[Mike Keenan]

What is this about?

[SF Wannabe]

Just my $.02 in the chem bio camelbaks and the debate on what is the best hydration system.

[dedbunniez]

I didn't want to start another thread about camel backs.

My brother is asking for a camel back. He will be on the deck of a carrier (probably) with a possibility of being deployed to A-stan or Iraq. So I was hoping to see what would be a rather good camelback that would hold up and fit under the armor.

[SIG2f3]

http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/emdomusa/Detail?no=48

[Hippo]

So I am in the market of looking for a hydration system for mountain biking. I am looking at either Source or Camelbak. I'm more bias towards the military gear because I feel that it is built to higher tolerances. I've heard some bad things about camelbak's bladder but only praises about source's. However, I need this hydration carrier to be able to carry things, mainly tools, spare parts etc.

I've narrowed it down to several options:

1) Camelbak Mule


http://www.camelbak.com/index.cfm
It's got molle webbing and more than enough room for my uses

2) Tactical Tailor



It uses the source bladder (I think) but has no pockets

So what should I buy? I was thinking of buying a used mule and replacing the bladder with Source but I want some opinions from you guys

Thanks in advance

[Der_ganze_Tod]

Well, i'm currently using a source bladder and it's far better then my old camelback Ihad before. But besides of the bladder I only heard positive things about the Camelbak rucksacks so far. If you using it for mountain biking you should be fine with Tactical Tailor or Camelbak.But I would prefer the Mule looks like can put more stuff in it.

[Frens]

I'm using a Source hydration bag too.

a friend of mine has used one in A-stan and it survived very well.

[phigment]

The only thing I can complain about with the camelbak is the bite valve. If you get that then you should replace the valve with something more durable than the soft rubber one it comes with because mine had a tear in it after about three days of use. Other than that it's held up really well.

EDIT: I see the one pictured has a different valve than mine came with - it has a cover - so nevermind what I said.

[-HUNTER-]

Its personal preference with the camel baks, I can only mention the fact having a strap arround you torso is handy if your biking.

[Jarhead]

Platypus FTW!