Woman miscarriages in the name of art

[Lov3ll]

For senior, abortion a medium for art, political discourse
Staff Reporter
Published Thursday, April 17, 2008

Art major Aliza Shvarts '08 wants to make a statement.
Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.
The goal in creating the art exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body. But her project has already provoked more than just debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts' project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have expressed shock . saying the project does everything from violate moral code to trivialize abortion.
But Shvarts insists her concept was not designed for "shock value."
"I hope it inspires some sort of discourse," Shvarts said. "Sure, some people will be upset with the message and will not agree with it, but it's not the intention of the piece to scandalize anyone."
The "fabricators," or donors, of the sperm were not paid for their services, but Shvarts required them to periodically take tests for ******ly transmitted diseases. She said she was not concerned about any medical effects the forced miscarriages may have had on her body. The abortifacient drugs she took were legal and herbal, she said, and she did not feel the need to consult a doctor about her repeated miscarriages.
Shvarts declined to specify the number of sperm donors she used, as well as the number of times she inseminated herself.
Art major Juan Castillo '08 said that although he was intrigued by the creativity and beauty of her senior project, not everyone was as thrilled as he was by the concept and the means by which she attained the result.
"I really loved the idea of this project, but a lot other people didn't," Castillo said. "I think that most people were very resistant to thinking about what the project was really about. [The senior-art-project forum] stopped being a conversation on the work itself."
Although Shvarts said she does not remember the class being quite as hostile as Castillo described, she said she believes it is the nature of her piece to "provoke inquiry."
"I believe strongly that art should be a medium for politics and ideologies, not just a commodity," Shvarts said. "I think that I'm creating a project that lives up to the standard of what art is supposed to be."
The display of Schvarts' project will feature a large cube suspended from the ceiling of a room in the gallery of Green Hall. Schvarts will wrap hundreds of feet of plastic sheeting around this cube; lined between layers of the sheeting will be the blood from Schvarts' self-induced miscarriages mixed with Vaseline in order to prevent the blood from drying and to extend the blood throughout the plastic sheeting.
Schvarts will then project recorded videos onto the four sides of the cube. These videos, captured on a VHS camcorder, will show her experiencing miscarriages in her bathrooom tub, she said. Similar videos will be projected onto the walls of the room.

School of Art lecturer Pia Lindman, Schvarts' senior-project advisor, could not be reached for comment Wednesday night.
Few people outside of Yale's undergraduate art department have heard about Shvarts' exhibition. Members of two campus abortion-activist groups . Choose Life at Yale, a pro-life group, and the Reproductive Rights Action League of Yale, a pro-choice group . said they were not previously aware of Schvarts' project.
Alice Buttrick '10, an officer of RALY, said the group was in no way involved with the art exhibition and had no official opinion on the matter.
Sara Rahman '09 said, in her opinion, Shvarts is abusing her constitutional right to do what she chooses with her body.
"[Shvarts' exhibit] turns what is a serious decision for women into an absurdism," Rahman said. "It discounts the gravity of the situation that is abortion."
CLAY member Jonathan Serrato '09 said he does not think CLAY has an official response to Schvarts' exhibition. But personally, Serrato said he found the concept of the senior art project "surprising" and unethical.
"I feel that she's manipulating life for the benefit of her art, and I definitely don't support it," Serrato said. "I think it's morally wrong."
Shvarts emphasized that she is not ashamed of her exhibition, and she has become increasingly comfortable discussing her miscarriage experiences with her peers.
"It was a private and personal endeavor, but also a transparent one for the most part," Shvarts said. "This isn't something I've been hiding."
The official reception for the Undergraduate Senior Art Show will be from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. on April 25. The exhibition will be on public display from April 22 to May 1. The art exhibition is set to premiere alongside the projects of other art seniors this Tuesday, April 22 at the gallery of Holcombe T. Green Jr. Hall on Chapel Street.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/24513

:cantbeli:

[Fade]

I find this repugnant on a personal level.

[Chulo]

Well once it gets to term and she forces a miscarriage arrest her for murder and lock her up. for good

[ronnieraygun]

hoax...........

[Chulo]

hoax...........it is from the Yale student paper

front page

Shvarts, Yale clash over project (http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/24530)

By Zachary Abrahamson (http://www.yaledailynews.com/authors/view/75), Thomas Kaplan (http://www.yaledailynews.com/authors/view/23) and Martine Powers (http://www.yaledailynews.com/authors/view/1851)
Aliza Shvarts ’08 was never impregnated. She never miscarried. The sweeping outrage on blogs across the country was apparently for naught — at least according to the University.

“The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman’s body,” Yale spokeswoman Helaine Klasky said in a written statement Thursday afternoon.

But in interviews — and through the display of evidence — Thursday night, Shvarts stuck to her original story: Yale, she says, is turning its back on her in the face of overwhelming media pressure

[ofpbhd]

EDIT: Nvm.


Still, f**k artists, anyway.

[ronnieraygun]

it is from the Yale student paper

front page

http://yaledailynews.com/articles/view/24528

[ronnieraygun]

Elaborate hoax.

[Chulo]

But Shvarts reiterated Thursday that she repeatedly use a needleless syringe to insert semen into herself. At the end of her menstrual cycle, she took abortifacient herbs to induce bleeding, she said. She said she does not know whether or not she was ever pregnant.
“No one can say with 100-percent certainty that anything in the piece did or did not happen,” Shvarts said, “because the nature of the piece is that it did not consist of certainties.”
This afternoon, Shvarts showed the News footage from tapes she plans to play at the exhibit. The tapes depict Shvarts — sometimes naked, sometimes clothed — alone in a shower stall bleeding into a cup.


she was taking the steps, just not to full term

[ronnieraygun]

I'll believe it when I see it (hopefully I won't) - Performance artists and installation artists don't get recognized for what they did as much as why they did it. The buzz alone from this gives her 15 minutes of fame and she probably never created anything at all.

[ltrowley]

This is just depraved, and so very, very wrong.

[Antimatty]

BULL****! i was reading yesterday about how this wasn't really true and she was trying to prove a point by getting people to believe this bull**** story. no abortions.

[Firetxmi]

Yale: Student's artwork purporting to show abortion a hoax

By PAT EATON-ROBB
Associated Press Writer


HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) -- A Yale University art student's claim that she induced repeated abortions on herself and used the blood for her senior project is false, school officials said after her account was published in the student newspaper.

Aliza Shvarts described the project in a story Thursday in the Yale Daily News. She said she artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while taking herbal drugs to induce miscarriages, the story said.

The account swept across blogs and media outlets before Yale issued a statement saying it investigated and found it all to be a hoax that was Shvarts' idea of elaborate "performance art."

"The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman's body," said Yale spokeswoman Helaine Klasky.

But in a guest column published in Friday's student newspaper, Shvarts insisted the project was real. She described her "repeated self-induced miscarriages," although she allows that she never knew if she was actually pregnant.

"The most poignant aspect of this representation - the part most meaningful in terms of its political agenda (and, incidentally, the aspect that has not been discussed thus far) - is the impossibility of accurately identifying the resulting blood," she said.

"Because the miscarriages coincide with the expected date of menstruation (the 28th day of my cycle), it remains ambiguous whether ... there was ever a fertilized ovum or not. The reality of the pregnancy, both for myself and for the audience, is a matter of reading," she wrote.

Shvarts told the newspaper she planned to display a work that consisted of a cube lined with plastic sheets with a blood-and-petroleum-jelly mixture in between, onto which she would project video footage of herself "experiencing miscarriages in her bathroom tub."

University officials said Shvarts' project included visual representations, a news release and other narrative materials. When confronted by three senior Yale officials, including two deans, Shvarts acknowledged that she was never pregnant and did not induce abortions, Klasky said.

"She said if Yale puts out a statement saying she did not do this, she would say Yale was doing that to protect its reputation," Klasky said.

Shvarts told the paper her goal was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body.

Andrew Mangino, editor-in-chief of Yale Daily News, said the newspaper published the story after receiving a news release about the project. A reporter interviewed Shvarts and other students and saw photos and video that she said was part of the art project, he said.

"At this point it's just he said and she said," Mingino said Friday. "The problem seems to be in the ambiguity of what each side is saying."

Shvarts could not be reached for comment. Her telephone number was disconnected and she did not respond to e-mails or a knock on the door at the address listed for her in the campus directory.

Groups for and against abortion rights expressed outrage over the affair.

Ted Miller, a spokesman for NARAL Pro-Choice America, called the concept offensive and "not a constructive addition to the debate over reproductive rights."

Peter Wolfgang, executive director of the Family Institute of Connecticut, an anti-abortion group, said his anger was not mitigated by the fact that Shvarts may never not have been pregnant. "I'm astounded by this woman's callousness," he said.

Link:http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ART_HOAX?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

A little research goes a long way......

[Fireball Sanchez]

Jesus christ..... this is so effin' stupid..... I can't stand " artists" :roll: you know what here's some free advice for you aspiring " artists" ............


http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7158/motivator8321771ts7.jpg

[stuntman]

is this real?

[Marshall_Nord]

Why does degenerate scum always defend their act as “art”? They give real artists a bad name.

[taavihuah]

This better be a hoax...

[Chulo]

do people even read through the thread before they post?

[Warlord]

Art.

Seems to me there's a serious lack of imagination nowadays.

[WARPIG]

I've found inspiration here. I don't get nearly enough attention here. Perhaps to draw some attention to myself, I'll **** on a plate and tell people that I eat it to docuement the art of "self defacation."

See what I did there.. it's like a pun/wrapped in sarcasm/wrapped in an enigma... only not as funny.


Someone pay attention to me......



... please?

[Chulo]

I've found inspiration here. I don't get nearly enough attention here. Perhaps to draw some attention to myself, I'll **** on a plate and tell people that I eat it to docuement the art of "self defacation."

See what I did there.. it's like a pun/wrapped in sarcasm/wrapped in an enigma... only not as funny.


Someone pay attention to me......



... please?
Been done already, he shat in cans then sold them.. for alot of money.. dont think anyone ate it, unless the 2girls bought it..
maybe thats where the cup came from

wear a dress and do it, that may help

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Wow, it used to be that if you had no artistic talent, you just failed art, and didn't get to be an artist.

[Thumpsquid]

Well, If you lived in the UK you could apply for a grant of up to £10000 to enable you to show your "art" to the Great British Public.
In fact, you could probably open one of those Franchises you were talking about; document it as an art installation and STILL get money from the Arts Council.
Welcome to the world of British Culture

[stuntman]

I've found inspiration here. I don't get nearly enough attention here. Perhaps to draw some attention to myself, I'll **** on a plate and tell people that I eat it to docuement the art of "self defacation."

See what I did there.. it's like a pun/wrapped in sarcasm/wrapped in an enigma... only not as funny.


Someone pay attention to me......



... please?
Dam ARTPIGS!

[WARPIG]

Been done already, he shat in cans then sold them.. for alot of money.. dont think anyone ate it, unless the 2girls bought it..
maybe thats where the cup came from

wear a dress and do it, that may help

Dammit.

There has to be some way for me to draw attention.

How about if I release a *** tape? nope.. been done.. Paris and any other washed up or wanna be celeb.

Oh.. I could develop a fake british accent and shave my head... nope.. been done by Britney and half the members on MP.net.

Shooting spree? Been done. I'd have to beat the high score and would prolly end up dead.

Oh.. how about if I protest the war by saying I want to "support the troops and bring them home?" Nope.. I'd have to be elected to congress or wear some gay assed code pink shirt.

I'm all out of attention whore ideas.

[gobdav]

Please, although this is very disturbing on many levels, the responses towards artists are about as stupid and the actual post. Not every artist is a mindless space cadet (although many are), not all of them are. Like Marshal said, people like this give REAL artists a bad name.
You'all do know that just about every professional miiltary photo you see here was taken by an "artist?"

But anyways, I DO love the "mindset" post lol

[Chulo]

Please, although this is very disturbing on many levels, the responses towards artists are about as stupid and the actual post. Not every artist is a mindless space cadet (although many are), not all of them are. Like Marshal said, people like this give REAL artists a bad name.
You'all do know that just about every professional miiltary photo you see here was taken by an "artist?"

But anyways, I DO love the "mindset" post lolwe arnt bashing Artist or art, rather those who are attention whores and use any facade as a platform to get that attention.

[Laworkerbee]

So this is what passes for art eh?

Every artist I know doesn't even refer to themselves as "artist", only the hacks and posers need a title.

[WARPIG]

Please, although this is very disturbing on many levels, the responses towards artists are about as stupid and the actual post. Not every artist is a mindless space cadet (although many are), not all of them are. Like Marshal said, people like this give REAL artists a bad name.
You'all do know that just about every professional miiltary photo you see here was taken by an "artist?"

But anyways, I DO love the "mindset" post lol

That's the point space cadet. We all know and likely appreciate art and artists. When attention whores like this miscarriage artist actually try and pawn this stupidity off as art.. then some of us take it as an insult to our intelligence.

[gobdav]

So this is what passes for art eh?

Every artist I know doesn't even refer to themselves as "artist", only the hacks and posers need a title.


lmao, said perfectly :)

[Fade]

Yale says student's abortion artwork a hoax, she says maybe not

HARTFORD, Conn. - A Yale University art student's claim that she induced repeated abortions on herself and used the blood for her senior project is false, school officials insisted, even after her first-person account was published Friday in the student newspaper.

Aliza Shvarts described the project in a story Thursday in the Yale Daily News. She said she artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while taking herbal drugs to induce miscarriages, the story said.

The account swept across blogs and media outlets before Yale issued a statement saying it investigated and found it all to be a hoax that was Shvarts' idea of elaborate "performance art."

"The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman's body," said Yale spokeswoman Helaine Klasky.

But in a guest column published in Friday's student newspaper, Shvarts insisted the project was real. She described her "repeated self-induced miscarriages," although she allows that she never knew if she was actually pregnant.

"The most poignant aspect of this representation - the part most meaningful in terms of its political agenda (and, incidentally, the aspect that has not been discussed thus far) - is the impossibility of accurately identifying the resulting blood," she said.

"Because the miscarriages coincide with the expected date of menstruation (the 28th day of my cycle), it remains ambiguous whether . . . there was ever a fertilized ovum or not. The reality of the pregnancy, both for myself and for the audience, is a matter of reading," she wrote.

Shvarts told the newspaper she planned to display a work that consisted of a cube lined with plastic sheets with a blood-and-petroleum-jelly mixture in between, onto which she would project video footage of herself "experiencing miscarriages in her bathroom tub."

University officials said Shvarts' project included visual representations, a news release and other narrative materials. When confronted by three senior Yale officials, including two deans, Shvarts acknowledged that she was never pregnant and did not induce abortions, Klasky said.

"She said if Yale puts out a statement saying she did not do this, she would say Yale was doing that to protect its reputation," Klasky said.

Shvarts told the paper her goal was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body.

Andrew Mangino, editor-in-chief of Yale Daily News, said the newspaper published the story after receiving a news release about the project. A reporter interviewed Shvarts and other students and saw photos and video that she said was part of the art project, he said.

"At this point it's just 'he said and she said,' " Mingino said Friday. "The problem seems to be in the ambiguity of what each side is saying."

Shvarts could not be reached for comment. Her telephone number was disconnected and she did not respond to e-mails or a knock on the door at the address listed for her in the campus directory.

Groups for and against abortion rights expressed outrage over the affair.
Ted Miller, a spokesman for NARAL Pro-Choice America, called the concept offensive and "not a constructive addition to the debate over reproductive rights."

Peter Wolfgang, executive director of the Family Institute of Connecticut, an anti-abortion group, said his anger was not mitigated by the fact that Shvarts may never not have been pregnant. "I'm astounded by this woman's callousness," he said.

Source.... (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/04/18/5326306-ap.html)

[Chulo]

thank you for posting the information from page 2

[Zoomie]

Now that it's been revealed that it's probably a hoax, there's still another horrible part of the story.


Aliza Shvarts (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Aliza+Shvarts)’s senior project, set to go on display next week, included video of her bleeding in her bathtub, as well as plastic sheeting layered with a mixture of Vaseline (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Vaseline+Intensive+Care+Products) and post-abortion blood, the Yale Daily News reported yesterday.
“Ms. Shvarts is engaged in performance art. She stated to three senior Yale University officials today, including two deans, that she did not impregnate herself and that she did not induce any miscarriages,” a Yale spokeswoman, Helaine Klasky (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Helaine+Klasky), said in a statement sent by e-mail to reporters. “The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman’s body.”
Ms. Klasky suggested that Yale would not have permitted a project of the sort described in the student newspaper. “Had these acts been real, they would have violated basic ethical standards and raised serious mental and physical health concerns,” she said.
The newspaper story, which made no suggestion that the artwork might be fiction, spread like wildfire on the Internet yesterday. Traffic was so heavy that, for a time, the newspaper’s Web site was knocked offline. The paper’s editor, Andrew Mangino (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Andrew+Mangino), did not return calls seeking comment last night.
Ms. Shvarts’s project was so provocative that it repulsed even jaded art majors at a Yale forum where she discussed her work last week, according to the Yale paper. Neither the artist nor the Yale lecturer advising her on the project, Pia Lindman (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Pia+Lindman), responded to e-mail messages seeking comment for this article.
Before Yale’s announcement yesterday, a professor of molecular biology at Princeton University (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Princeton+University), Lee Silver (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Lee+Silver), told The New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=The+New+York+Sun+One+SL+LLC) that he was dubious about Ms. Shvarts’s claims. “I wonder if the so-called blood may just be menstruation,” he said. He noted that the article did not indicate if she had ever taken a pregnancy test and said she performed an unspecified number of abortions over nine months using herbal compounds.
“It’s hard to believe she depended on herbal medicine,” the professor said. “She’s being a little wishy-washy about the details.”
A science student of Mr. Silver’s once proposed impregnating herself with chimpanzee sperm. Mr. Silver convinced her it was a “horrible thing for her to do,” but his fictionalized account of the event became a book and a play.
Mr. Silver said a science project of the sort Ms. Shvarts described would require approval from an ethics panel, which would never permit it. The Yale spokeswoman, Ms. Klasky, said she did not know whether the planned exhibit contained real blood or whether sperm had actually been solicited from donors, as the artist claimed.
An environmental health official at Yale, Peter Reinhardt (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Peter+Reinhardt), sounded alarmed when told of Ms. Shvarts’s plan to put a mix of her own blood and Vaseline on display in a public building. “I will look into this immediately,” he said. “Normally, that would be out of the bounds of what we would allow a student to do.”
Ms. Shvarts has long displayed a keen interest in issues relating to human reproduction. Her account of her first menstruation, “The Ming Period (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Ming+Period),” appears on a Web site devoted to such stories, My1stPeriod.com. In 2006, a Yale journal published a photograph of one of her creations, “Disarticulation.” The sculpture, said to be made from plaster, Vaseline, towels, rubber bands, and latex gloves, resembles male and female reproductive organs.
Ms. Shvarts outlined some of her personal philosophy as she took part in a performance art event Ms. Lindman organized earlier this month at Federal Hall in Manhattan (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Manhattan), where members of the public were invited to stand on a soapbox and speak their piece.
“We have this huge f—ing institution telling us: ‘That’s what power looks like. That’s what empowerment looks like.’ It’s these patriarchal, heteronormative trappings of a voice, of a right to speak, but really I think we should think more about it,” the Yale student said, according to a video posted on YouTube (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=YouTube+Inc.) but removed last night. “We need to stop being sheep.”
Ms. Shvarts also railed against those who take a narrow view of what constitutes art. “People have to stop being so dismissive about what art is. It has to stop hanging on the wall. It has to be something lived, breathed every day,” she said.
The Federal Hall event was sponsored by the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Lower+Manhattan+Cultural+Council) with the “generous support of the September 11 Fund,” according to the video.
Source (http://www.nysun.com/news/national/yale-students-art-project-creative-fiction)

It's disgusting to see the money wasted like this.

[eskachig]

I like how half this thread is bizarre lashing out towards artists, when it's simply that as in any profession, some artists are full of ****.

[SBL]

So this is what passes for art eh?

Every artist I know doesn't even refer to themselves as "artist", only the hacks and posers need a title.



I myself spurn such titles.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i228/Captainbadd/LAWBaportrait2.jpg

[Ichhabe]

There is an "artist" that fill his behind with paint and then stand over a canvas and "paint". I know there are photos of him out there, but I ain't going to look for them.

[Chulo]

There is an "artist" that fill his behind with paint and then stand over a canvas and "paint". I know there are photos of him out there, but I ain't going to look for them.the art teacher in the next town is know to do some famous "****ie" and "female part" art, dips them in water colors and "paints"

[INAT]

Dare I say my major was art history.I understand those that say "this is not art" or "My kid can paint that" and I understand contempt for attention whores but art as with beauty is in the eye of the beholder
and just because you cannot understand something does not mean it has not artistic merit.

[FlankerFlyer]

So, As long as I call it "art," I can do whatever I want? To her credit, the artist at least calls it what it is, but she does not seem to fully grasp that she has repeatedly taken human life in the name of "art. Reading this makes me realize what John Allan Muhammed (DC sniper) did wrong: he should have said it was all just an art project. When he killed all those people, he was attempting to recontextualize the interrelationship between racialisticism and identity politics as refracted through the lens of the violence endemic in our patriarchy-framed-Caucasio-hetero-normative society. Art is above morality! You disagree? Then YOU'RE at fault for pushing us down that slippery slope into censorship.

[Billy No Mates]

Well, If you lived in the UK you could apply for a grant of up to £10000 to enable you to show your "art" to the Great British Public.
In fact, you could probably open one of those Franchises you were talking about; document it as an art installation and STILL get money from the Arts Council.
Welcome to the world of British Culture

Yes we publically fund such ****witted attention whores,on the understanding that the less the proles like and/or understand it the more intrinsic artistic and intellectual worth it must therefore have .
They can then sell their self reverential self referential works to rich attention whores who want to show us how much they are worth by spunking ****loads of money on a **** stained bed,cvnts .

[ex1cdo]

Dare I say my major was art history.I understand those that say "this is not art" or "My kid can paint that" and I understand contempt for attention whores but art as with beauty is in the eye of the beholder
and just because you cannot understand something does not mean it has not artistic merit.


I guess I'm just a philistine because here are three things that have happened in Toronto (Canada) in the past decade or so. All of the
perpetrators, uh, artists, were students at the Ontario College of Art and Design:

- in 1996, Jubal Brown ingested some pigmented substance(s) and vomited on paintings in the Museum of Modern Art (NY) and the Art Gallery
of Ontario (Toronto)

- in about 2002 or 2003, Jesse Powers and one or two others filmed their torture and killing of a domestic cat as a project. He was recorded
in the media as stating, on the courthouse steps "but there are worse ways the cat could have died"

- in 2007, Thorarinn Jonsson planted a fake bomb in the Royal Ontario Museum (Toronto) as part of his "class project" on a bomb hoax and was astounded that people (like the police and media) reacted the way they did.

(Go ahead, google them, the information is out there and I'm too lazy to provide specific, concise links on each case.)

I don't understand it, and I sure as hell don't think it has artistic merit.

[Hot Lips]

So bascially her art consists of filming her period and fabricating insemination / pregnancy / abortion.


That just make her a nut job, attention whore and liar. Not an artist.

[philbob]

Well if she wants to get people riled up and make light of a serious issues which affect people who really want to be parents ... I hope she has a real misscarriage with someone she loves and this is the first thing that comes to mind

[ex1cdo]

Well if she wants to get people riled up and make light of a serious issues which affect people who really want to be parents ... I hope she has a real misscarriage with someone she loves and this is the first thing that comes to mind

She may be a callow fool doing this, but that was a totally inappropriate and offensive thing to say. I can't begin to tell you how my wife and I felt when it happened. All I can say is I hope it never happens to you.

[IronFinn]

Her body, her decision, if she would go forth with it. Thats not art though.
Wouldn´t such act even cause some damage to her?

[Chulo]

Her body, her decision, if she would go forth with it. Thats not art though.
Wouldn´t such act even cause some damage to her?so if she kills the baby by forcing a miscarriage, its her choice? unlike the abortion debate, she was planing to carry it out to term, and use the remains for art.

[IronFinn]

Oh sh*t! Didn´t read all of the article :oops:. Thats a different thing then. I thought she was going to break it after she knows she was bregnant.

[Hot Lips]

Am I missing something? It said she was claiming to be documenting a series of miscarriages over a nine month period. I'll go back and reread, but I think I missed the part about her wanting to take a pregnancy to term and abort it.

[Chulo]

Am I missing something? It said she was claiming to be documenting a series of miscarriages over a nine month period. I'll go back and reread, but I think I missed the part about her wanting to take a pregnancy to term and abort it. you maybe right, who knows how long in term one would have lasted. But i read it to say she was meaning to carry one as one long as she can...

[California Joe]

I'd like to create an artform where I stick an icepick into this twats ear. One show only.

[Hadamar]

At the college I went to there was plenty of spread-eagle "I bleed" female genital "art". None of it was shocking in the closed academic community. But the art piece that caused the greatest outrage was a cutout (metal, I think) of a sniper that a student had placed on the roof of one of the taller buildings. Some professors were incensed and forced its removal.

[Hot Lips]

Because crap like that is just for shock value and attention whoring.

[The Dane]

Well once it gets to term and she forces a miscarriage arrest her for murder and lock her up. for good

Just my thought.
Sick Bitch!