How Is The US Is Doing Badly In Iraq?

[Sayeret]

I've heard recently from a lot of people who claim that the United States is doing badly in Iraq and that this war is becoming a new Vietnam. I believe we are doing very well in Iraq, we may have some problems but overall the war is going very good. What is the United States doing so horribly in Iraq?

[hist2004]

You can thank the Liberal US media. their party is out of office so they're
trying to portray the war in the worst possible light. It certainly isn't proceeding without it's problems, we know that. Some balanced reporting
from the big 3 NBC, ABC, CBS would be refreshing. While Bush is in office
you'd have a better chance of hitting the lottery though.

Regards,
Hist2004

[Secret Squirrel]

I've heard recently from a lot of people who claim that the United States is doing badly in Iraq and that this war is becoming a new Vietnam. I believe we are doing very well in Iraq, we may have some problems but overall the war is going very good. What is the United States doing so horribly in Iraq?

go read all the threads about Iraq, including one started with the same question as yours; theres no real point to hash out all the ideas and opinions in yet another thread.

[usa320]

No- hes right. Before making any judgement about US progress in Iraq, ask people who have been there. The soldiers, Contractors, builders, doctors and everage Iraqi will paint a far different picture than the horse**** the leftist media tries to feed people.

[talib_killa34]

I thought it was going pretty well myself! :D

[scm77]

The media wants to show storys that are gonna get the ratings (or hurt the president). What is more likely to do so? The story about the suicide bomber killer four americans or the story about the americans who fixed a water treatment plant.

Alot of what's going on in Iraq doesn't get reported, therefore it looks worse on the news then it is in real life. I'm sure Argyll could go into more detail.

[crazyman]

as a finale to my college life, i wrote a paper on a related topic, maybe this will help clear up why the media makes things look so bad.

the media does it's best to sell papers. to do so, it must create/pique public interest. as far as government/foreign affairs, this happens in two ways.

1: on issues where the vast majority of the public feels the same ( 9/11, pearl harbor, etc) the media has to report the facts. stirring up stife in such times does them no good. this is why the media becomes rather silent in it's usual government-bashing. since the public supports the goverment in such times, the media loses its hold.

2: on issues where the opposite is true (vietnam, Iraq, economy in various times) to sell papers the media takes the opposite stance from the government. if Pres. Bush says black, tom brokaw(or whoever) will say white. If the papers agreed with the government, then nothing new is being said and so people do no buy the paper. by going against the government, the media causes conflict within the average reader, and so they read on. based on various first-hand accounts, i can tell you with absolute certainty that things are going far better in iraq then the print and electronic media would have you believe. go talk to a soldier or marine whos been on the ground there, talking to the iraqi people, and see what they say

[MEGR]

That's what i've been saying all along. Some of you (not naming anyone specific) are reconsidering how this war is going. When times get tough, some of you that have supported, and not supported are just rolling over and saying i give up. There are many many positive things going on there. This is history in the making, and Bush, or Cheney, or anyone who pushed this war never said it was going to be like the 1st gulf war. They only people who thought of the ease that this was going to be, were the armchair generals in fox, cnn, msnbc, etc. I admire so much what the PMCs, the Brits, and Aussies, the Polish, the US, and other coalition partners are doing.. They have such a hard job, and the have done it with unparalled heroics, honor, and restraint.. The crap that these folks have to go through each day, and the way they do their job is plain awesome..

[ogukuo72]

Hear, hear.

There's a common perception since Vietnam in Asia that the US is simply not up to the task. When the going get's tough, the US usually gives up. Kill enough Americans and the US Army will go home. All the US is prepared to do is lob a few cruise missiles.

This view was given credence in 1983 when the US packed up after the Marine Barracks bombing in Beirut, and then again in 1993 when the US packed up after the events of Black Hawk Down.

Even now, the Western media reports are creating an impression of the US panicking over Iraq and worrying that it is turning into another Vietnam. The media gives the impression of a US losing confidence in its ability to win and - worse - losing its will to win.

Let me tell you right now that this is really dangerous. This perception is emboldening radicals in this part of the world. In the aftermath of the successful overthrow of the Taliban in Afghanistan, things had gotten quiet. The kettle is beginning to boil again with each headline screaming quadmire, Vietnam or something like that.

I am constantly amazed at the Americans and your love of liberty. Your country is at war, and yet you allow the media to run amok and report stories irresponsibily. The media reporting is undermining the American war effort, and putting American lives at risk by emboldening the enemy.

[talib_killa34]

I am constantly amazed at the Americans and your love of liberty. Your country is at war, and yet you allow the media to run amok and report stories irresponsibily. The media reporting is undermining the American war effort, and putting American lives at risk by emboldening the enemy.

I love how you put that! So true... ;)

The media would only start "taking sides" when AQ hijackers ram 747's into their own corporate HQ's downtown. Then, maybe, it'll be personal.

I also love the quagmire the US troops have been in. Especially the one where it was ONE WEEK into OIF and the talking heads were predicting failure already!!!!

:backhand: COME ON!

[Ratamacue]

Well put, ogukuo. The fact is though, that different news agencies are allowed to report whatever they want so long as it doesn't violate OPSEC. But regardless of what the media drives the public to believe, the US isn't going to pull out until the job is done. Last year, we took complete control of a sovereign nation. Regardless of one's views on the war's justification, we owe it to the Iraqi people now to rebuild and stabilize their country. Maybe there were WMD's, maybe not. Maybe we really did go in to liberate the country, maybe not. I don't know. But as of this moment, the ongoing effort inside the country is no longer about either of those things, but rather paying a debt we've made for ourselves to that country's inhabitants.

[Secret Squirrel]

Maybe there were WMD's, maybe not. Maybe we really did go in to liberate the country, maybe not. I don't know. But as of this moment, the ongoing effort inside the country is no longer about either of those things, but rather paying a debt we've made for ourselves to that country's inhabitants.

No WMDs, no Bush b.s before hand about liberation...basically a couple of lies in part based on an exhiled Iraqi on Bush's payroll who used the U.S for a political assassination. Makes you wonder now, how Bush can "condem" anything Isreal does in Gazza. I mean, Hamas has been listed by the U.S as a terrorist group right? And just like in Iraq, civilians are going to die in the process of fighting terror...so why does Bush condem someone else for politically and physically doing what he did? And anyone who thinks Iraq, a country ruled by religion and various groups, is going to develop into a Western style democracy is just plain ignorant.

[seruriermarshal]

Maybe there were WMD's, maybe not. Maybe we really did go in to liberate the country, maybe not. I don't know. But as of this moment, the ongoing effort inside the country is no longer about either of those things, but rather paying a debt we've made for ourselves to that country's inhabitants.

No WMDs, no Bush b.s before hand about liberation...basically a couple of lies in part based on an exhiled Iraqi on Bush's payroll who used the U.S for a political assassination. Makes you wonder now, how Bush can "condem" anything Isreal does in Gazza. I mean, Hamas has been listed by the U.S as a terrorist group right? And just like in Iraq, civilians are going to die in the process of fighting terror...so why does Bush condem someone else for politically and physically doing what he did? And anyone who thinks Iraq, a country ruled by religion and various groups, is going to develop into a Western style democracy is just plain ignorant.

Iraq no WMD , you still lie help Saddam . Stop lie !

[Secret Squirrel]

Maybe there were WMD's, maybe not. Maybe we really did go in to liberate the country, maybe not. I don't know. But as of this moment, the ongoing effort inside the country is no longer about either of those things, but rather paying a debt we've made for ourselves to that country's inhabitants.

No WMDs, no Bush b.s before hand about liberation...basically a couple of lies in part based on an exhiled Iraqi on Bush's payroll who used the U.S for a political assassination. Makes you wonder now, how Bush can "condem" anything Isreal does in Gazza. I mean, Hamas has been listed by the U.S as a terrorist group right? And just like in Iraq, civilians are going to die in the process of fighting terror...so why does Bush condem someone else for politically and physically doing what he did? And anyone who thinks Iraq, a country ruled by religion and various groups, is going to develop into a Western style democracy is just plain ignorant.

Iraq no WMD , you still lie help Saddam . Stop lie !

So i guess Bush does drugs and sells drugs because they are in his country? Nice logic you have going there. But i guess by your response 2 shells have been worth over 900 lives. Hopefully, you'll never be in a position of power.

[seruriermarshal]

Maybe there were WMD's, maybe not. Maybe we really did go in to liberate the country, maybe not. I don't know. But as of this moment, the ongoing effort inside the country is no longer about either of those things, but rather paying a debt we've made for ourselves to that country's inhabitants.

No WMDs, no Bush b.s before hand about liberation...basically a couple of lies in part based on an exhiled Iraqi on Bush's payroll who used the U.S for a political assassination. Makes you wonder now, how Bush can "condem" anything Isreal does in Gazza. I mean, Hamas has been listed by the U.S as a terrorist group right? And just like in Iraq, civilians are going to die in the process of fighting terror...so why does Bush condem someone else for politically and physically doing what he did? And anyone who thinks Iraq, a country ruled by religion and various groups, is going to develop into a Western style democracy is just plain ignorant.

Iraq no WMD , you still lie help Saddam . Stop lie !

So i guess Bush does drugs and sells drugs because they are in his country? Nice logic you have going there. But i guess by your response 2 shells have been worth over 900 lives. Hopefully, you'll never be in a position of power.

So you said :" 2 shells no WMD "and "UN let 2 shells in Iraq ."and Saddam said :"No WMD in Iraq ."

Fool logic .

[Secret Squirrel]

Maybe there were WMD's, maybe not. Maybe we really did go in to liberate the country, maybe not. I don't know. But as of this moment, the ongoing effort inside the country is no longer about either of those things, but rather paying a debt we've made for ourselves to that country's inhabitants.

No WMDs, no Bush b.s before hand about liberation...basically a couple of lies in part based on an exhiled Iraqi on Bush's payroll who used the U.S for a political assassination. Makes you wonder now, how Bush can "condem" anything Isreal does in Gazza. I mean, Hamas has been listed by the U.S as a terrorist group right? And just like in Iraq, civilians are going to die in the process of fighting terror...so why does Bush condem someone else for politically and physically doing what he did? And anyone who thinks Iraq, a country ruled by religion and various groups, is going to develop into a Western style democracy is just plain ignorant.

Iraq no WMD , you still lie help Saddam . Stop lie !

So i guess Bush does drugs and sells drugs because they are in his country? Nice logic you have going there. But i guess by your response 2 shells have been worth over 900 lives. Hopefully, you'll never be in a position of power.

So you said :" 2 shells no WMD "and "UN let 2 shells in Iraq ."and Saddam said :"No WMD in Iraq ."

Fool logic .

Then we better lock up Bush for drugs? Or maybe put him in jail for for the accidental shootings/killings in the U.S? I hope you're just trying to argue for the sake of it, and that you arent really this stupid.

[seruriermarshal]

Maybe there were WMD's, maybe not. Maybe we really did go in to liberate the country, maybe not. I don't know. But as of this moment, the ongoing effort inside the country is no longer about either of those things, but rather paying a debt we've made for ourselves to that country's inhabitants.

No WMDs, no Bush b.s before hand about liberation...basically a couple of lies in part based on an exhiled Iraqi on Bush's payroll who used the U.S for a political assassination. Makes you wonder now, how Bush can "condem" anything Isreal does in Gazza. I mean, Hamas has been listed by the U.S as a terrorist group right? And just like in Iraq, civilians are going to die in the process of fighting terror...so why does Bush condem someone else for politically and physically doing what he did? And anyone who thinks Iraq, a country ruled by religion and various groups, is going to develop into a Western style democracy is just plain ignorant.

Iraq no WMD , you still lie help Saddam . Stop lie !

So i guess Bush does drugs and sells drugs because they are in his country? Nice logic you have going there. But i guess by your response 2 shells have been worth over 900 lives. Hopefully, you'll never be in a position of power.

So you said :" 2 shells no WMD "and "UN let 2 shells in Iraq ."and Saddam said :"No WMD in Iraq ."

Fool logic .

Then we better lock up Bush for drugs? Or maybe put him in jail for for the accidental shootings/killings in the U.S? I hope you're just trying to argue for the sake of it, and that you arent really this stupid.

Big stupid is you , You open you eyes say lie in the forum , change post's title , that's you .

[usa320]

secret squirrel to say IRaq doesnt have WMD, and to say that Saddan didnt know about them, is like saying France is a force to be reckoned with.

[Secret Squirrel]

secret squirrel to say IRaq doesnt have WMD, and to say that Saddan didnt know about them, is like saying France is a force to be reckoned with.

wow what a well thought out and researched reply. For your next trick can you tell us how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootie-pop? rofl

[sethen]

The support troops are being slaughtered in those damned Humvees!!!!! Why haven't all the M-113's been rounded up and sent there to replace the hummers? Putting armor on those Humvess is a waste of time!!!!!

Also we don't control the country just Baghdad!!!! Does this remind anyone of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan? Where they only controled Kabul and were paralyzed when they attempted anything outside the city?

I never agreed with the war in the first place. It was inevitable though, and now we really have a disaster! Who is going to relieve us there? NO ONE. Could a draft be reinstated in 5, 10 or 15 years if this drags on? Let the people that supported this war and their children be the first to serve. :slap: :slap: :slap:

[Ratamacue]

Maybe there were WMD's, maybe not. Maybe we really did go in to liberate the country, maybe not. I don't know. But as of this moment, the ongoing effort inside the country is no longer about either of those things, but rather paying a debt we've made for ourselves to that country's inhabitants.

No WMDs, no Bush b.s before hand about liberation...basically a couple of lies in part based on an exhiled Iraqi on Bush's payroll who used the U.S for a political assassination. Makes you wonder now, how Bush can "condem" anything Isreal does in Gazza. I mean, Hamas has been listed by the U.S as a terrorist group right? And just like in Iraq, civilians are going to die in the process of fighting terror...so why does Bush condem someone else for politically and physically doing what he did? And anyone who thinks Iraq, a country ruled by religion and various groups, is going to develop into a Western style democracy is just plain ignorant.

You completely missed the entire point of my post.

[Secret Squirrel]

Maybe there were WMD's, maybe not. Maybe we really did go in to liberate the country, maybe not. I don't know. But as of this moment, the ongoing effort inside the country is no longer about either of those things, but rather paying a debt we've made for ourselves to that country's inhabitants.

No WMDs, no Bush b.s before hand about liberation...basically a couple of lies in part based on an exhiled Iraqi on Bush's payroll who used the U.S for a political assassination. Makes you wonder now, how Bush can "condem" anything Isreal does in Gazza. I mean, Hamas has been listed by the U.S as a terrorist group right? And just like in Iraq, civilians are going to die in the process of fighting terror...so why does Bush condem someone else for politically and physically doing what he did? And anyone who thinks Iraq, a country ruled by religion and various groups, is going to develop into a Western style democracy is just plain ignorant.

You completely missed the entire point of my post.

I wasnt so much responding to your post as just continuing the ideas under my opinions. Sorry if that wasnt clear.

[seruriermarshal]

Maybe there were WMD's, maybe not. Maybe we really did go in to liberate the country, maybe not. I don't know. But as of this moment, the ongoing effort inside the country is no longer about either of those things, but rather paying a debt we've made for ourselves to that country's inhabitants.

No WMDs, no Bush b.s before hand about liberation...basically a couple of lies in part based on an exhiled Iraqi on Bush's payroll who used the U.S for a political assassination. Makes you wonder now, how Bush can "condem" anything Isreal does in Gazza. I mean, Hamas has been listed by the U.S as a terrorist group right? And just like in Iraq, civilians are going to die in the process of fighting terror...so why does Bush condem someone else for politically and physically doing what he did? And anyone who thinks Iraq, a country ruled by religion and various groups, is going to develop into a Western style democracy is just plain ignorant.

You completely missed the entire point of my post.

I wasnt so much responding to your post as just continuing the ideas under my opinions. Sorry if that wasnt clear.

A lie ?

:roll:

[Ratamacue]

I wasnt so much responding to your post as just continuing the ideas under my opinions. Sorry if that wasnt clear.

Understood.