Chinese storm France's Carrefour

[plato]

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/imgs/1/6/16471189.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/jBFMNA4lTwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/equyaRSr3ac
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/frimqJpsrQw
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/OW3foh9dhbk



Chinese stormed a Carrefour in HeFei, China. Many Chinese are boycotting France's products.

[LaoSexMachine]

Hmmmmm. They can crackdown on Falon Gong with no problem but can't do squat about Chinese 'protesting' the West?

[plato]

Hmmmmm. They can crackdown on Falon Gong with no problem but can't do squat about Chinese 'protesting' the West?

Don't worry, they will. This one just got lucky!

[SBL]

Idiots are screwing over their own countrymen.

[CG51]

I am a spy, Please tell me how I contact CIA and FBI?

[plato]

Idiots are screwing over their own countrymen.
You wonder why would they boycott France who had a trade deficit of over $150 Billion last year, while China depends on export.

[SOG]

Whatever. It's their problem. Glad it's not ours. My God, if anything really pisses that society off imagine the local upheaval and chaos. It will make The Square pale in comparison.

[SBL]

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[KET]

This "protest" seems so well organized that it makes you think if it was actually... well... orchestrated by somone other that the "common people." Whatever it is they're just showing their ignorance.

[plato]

This "protest" seems so well organized that it makes you think if it was actually... well... orchestrated by somone other that the "common people"


Never say never, Chinese government might not want this kind of protest.

[SBL]

This "protest" seems so well organized that it makes you think if it was actually... well... orchestrated by somone other that the "common people." Whatever it is they're just showing their ignorance.

I think this protest is a pretty crummy, but to be fair your comment is kinda stupid.

[plato]

http://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080416/tbs-france-china-boycott-21231dd.html

France plays down Chinese calls for goods boycott

[tomonator]

Could be bad brie or flat orangina.

[plato]

Angry Chinese burn French flag outside Carrefour

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2008/04/18/angry_chinese_burn_french_flag_outside_carrefour/

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BEIJING (*******) - Dozens of young Chinese, angry at disruption of the Olympic torch relay in Paris, protested outside a Carrefour branch in east China on Friday, setting fire to a French flag, waving banners and shouting slogans, local media said.

There have been small protests at the French retail giant's stores in several Chinese cities, including Beijing, in the past week, but the latest outburst in the eastern coastal city of Qingdao came after state media moved to cool down the nationalistic fervor.

Chinese Internet users are calling on consumers to boycott Carrefour, which they accuse of supporting pro-Tibetan independence groups seeking to disrupt this year's Beijing Olympics.

The journey of the Olympic torch around the world has been dogged by protests, largely over Chinese rule in Tibet, where a wave of anti-government unrest erupted in March.

In Paris, numerous protests and attempts by activists to snatch the torch prompted Chinese security officials to extinguish the torch several times and put in on a bus.

Local media photos showed the protesters holding up banners that read "Boycott France, Support the Olympics" and "Oppose Tibet independence, Love the motherland."

They waved red Chinese flags and shouted slogans, attracting a big crowd of onlookers. One photo showed a man burning a French flag.

Chinese Internet message boards have also featured photos from Hefei, capital city of the eastern province of Anhui, where several "elementary school students" staged a protest with a banner reading "Oppose Carrefour, Shopping is shameful."

France has tried to play down calls for a boycott of French goods, saying they were being made by a "very small minority" and Carrefour, which has more than 100 hypermarkets in China, has restated its support for Beijing's hosting of the Olympics.

Some Chinese newspapers have also run commentaries against the boycott, saying in the era of globalization it would only hurt Chinese employees and suppliers.

Still, an opinion poll in 10 Chinese cities found 66 percent of respondents supported the Carrefour boycott, according to the official Xinhua news agency. Only 7 percent said outright that they would not.

(Writing by Guo Shipeng; Editing by Nick Macfie)

[peterli]

This "protest" seems so well organized that it makes you think if it was actually... well... orchestrated by somone other that the "common people." Whatever it is they're just showing their ignorance.
I can tell you for count that no governvent intereference in this matter,most are students ,this is the way to express unsatisfication about french government, and there are no chaos.

[KET]

I can tell you for count that no governvent intereference in this matter,most are students ,this is the way to express unsatisfication about french government, and there are no chaos.
I believe you!:roll:

[SOG]

If they burned an American Flag we'd have high res pictures and HD TV satellite broadcast of the whole ordeal. Oh well, there's always next time.

[plato]

I can tell you for count that no governvent intereference in this matter,most are students ,this is the way to express unsatisfication about french government, and there are no chaos.
How do you guys express unsatisfication about your own government? or you guys are always happy about them?

[LaoSexMachine]

I can tell you for count that no governvent intereference in this matter,most are students ,this is the way to express unsatisfication about french government, and there are no chaos.

How do you know this?

[Calanen]

The CCP doesnt realise that this sort of stuff just makes them look nutso in the eyes of the world.

And I dont buy that this was 'Spontaneous eruption of people's dissatisfaction from random passerby non-communist party people', given that if you protest anything the Chicoms dont like, you get a bullet in the head or spend the rest of your life wading waist deep in acid making batteries in a state labor camp. Not a real big tradition of 'spontaneous dissent' in China.

[SBL]

The CCP doesnt realise that this sort of stuff just makes them look nutso in the eyes of the world.



I have a feeling they don't care. It lets the populace blow off steam in a non-threatening manner, funnels aggression away from the CCP, engenders solidarity, etc.

[peterli]

How do you guys express unsatisfication about your own government? or you guys are always happy about them?
I think Just the way you express your unsatisfication about your government,

[LaoSexMachine]

I think Just the way you express your unsatisfication about your government,

Really? .

[Chimera]

I think Just the way you express your unsatisfication about your government,

duh??? I guess you've just got censored!

Edit: ooh no I get what you mean! So according to you, you can say whatever you want, oppose the CCP on any subject without fear of being executed in the nearest staduim within an hour? Cause you know in France, we use stadiums to play football or rugby, stuff like this.. we rarely organize mass executions of opponents in the "Stade de France".

[peterli]

How do you know this?
Yesterday some students engaged in such kind of activity,and after that the school leaders called on to calm down,we know that if that kind of activity lasted too long it will hurt the both side of french and china,maybe china most, this is a kind of expression,like the westerners protest againest iraq war,

[plato]

I think Just the way you express your unsatisfication about your government,

How do we express our unsatisfication? Can someone go on to the Chinese media and critize the Chinese Government?

[Chulo]

Yesterday some students engaged in such kind of activity,and after that the school leaders called on to calm down,we know that if that kind of activity lasted too long it will hurt the both side of french and china,maybe china most, this is a kind of expression,like the westerners protest againest iraq war,
Havent seen anyone rioting and storming stores when they protest about the war. and you see the police doing their job, no matter what the option is

[LaoSexMachine]

Yesterday some students engaged in such kind of activity,and after that the school leaders called on to calm down,we know that if that kind of activity lasted too long it will hurt the both side of french and china,maybe china most, this is a kind of expression,like the westerners protest againest iraq war,

How do you know this?

[peterli]

duh??? I guess you've just got censored!
I think you guys think chinese people lack some kind of freedom,but please don't equal china with north korea, if you are ever in china,you will feel that this country is more and more crystal.

[LaoSexMachine]

I think you guys think chinese people lack some kind of freedom,but please don't equal china with north korea, if you are ever in china,you will feel that this country is more and more crystal.

How do you know this?

[plato]

I think you guys think chinese people lack some kind of freedom,but please don't equal china with north korea, if you are ever in china,you will feel that this country is more and more crystal.

So, can you anyone criticize the Chinese government on Chinese TV? yes or no?

more and more crystal? yes, you guys are doing a wonderful job making it more crystal for us. Thanks

[mas-36]

Freedom Fries Part Deux. Sounds like the Chinese have taken a page from the Amercan NeoCon playbook. What is the Chinese equivalent to the Young Republicans?
I bet Bill O'Reilly could have never guessed he had so much in common with the Chinese. rofl

[LaoSexMachine]

Freedom Fries Part Deux. Sounds like the Chinese have taken a page from the Amercan NeoCon playbook. What is the Chinese equivalent to the Young Republicans?
I bet Bill O'Reilly could have never guessed he had so much in common with the Chinese. rofl

Oh yes because those NeoCon stormed the French enbassy.

[peterli]

Havent seen anyone rioting and storming stores when they protest about the war. and you see the police doing their job, no matter what the option is
So how do you comment the more than 10 innocent people's dealth in the tibet,and millions of dollars of loss caused by the tibet riot,they hit the soldiers ,they burn the house ,and they kill people who are innocent, so do you think they have fully used their freedom? firemen are sent there to put out the fire,but are hit, don't think I am fooled , we are clever people ,we learn to be ourselves ,

[LaoSexMachine]

So how do you comment the more than 10 innocent people's dealth in the tibet,and millions of dollars of loss caused by the tibet riot,they hit the soldiers ,they burn the house ,and they kill people who are innocent, so do you think they have fully used their freedom? firemen are sent there to put out the fire,but are hit, don't think I am fooled , we are clever people ,we learn to be ourselves ,

How do you know this?

[KET]

So how do you comment the more than 10 innocent people's dealth in the tibet,and millions of dollars of loss caused by the tibet riot,they hit the soldiers ,they burn the house ,and they kill people who are innocent, so do you think they have fully used their freedom? firemen are sent there to put out the fire,but are hit, don't think I am fooled , we are clever people ,we learn to be ourselves ,
We weren't talking about Tibet, you see. We were asking you if you can criticize your government without being executed?

[plato]

So how do you comment the more than 10 innocent people's dealth in the tibet,and millions of dollars of loss caused by the tibet riot,they hit the soldiers ,they burn the house ,and they kill people who are innocent, so do you think they have fully used their freedom? firemen are sent there to put out the fire,but are hit, don't think I am fooled , we are clever people ,we learn to be ourselves ,
So, can clever people criticize the Chinese government on Chinese TV in a peaceful way? yes or no? Or, the Chinese government is just so perfect that it doesn't need to be criticized. Unlike our government which is full of problems, it needs to be criticized everyday.

[peterli]

How do you know this?
what do you mean?

[plato]

what do you mean?


So, can clever people criticize the Chinese government on Chinese TV in a peaceful way? yes or no?

[LaoSexMachine]

what do you mean?

How do you know this? Did the Chinese media told you?

[peterli]

So, can clever people criticize the Chinese government on Chinese TV in a peaceful way? yes or no? Or, the Chinese government is just so perfect that it doesn't need to be criticized. Unlike our government which is full of problems, it needs to be criticized everyday.
I am sorry, but I don't like your style.

[plato]

I am sorry, but I don't like your style.


That is ok, I already know the answer. You don't have to answer, I will "save face" for you.

[kerfuffled]

I think he means what are youre sources for these claims, and how do you know the claims are true. Are they proven sources? Is it just the CCP media telling you this or independant non biased news.

[peterli]

How do you know this? Did the Chinese media told you?
you mean chinese media isn't trustable? so what about the western modia's distortion of
tibet affairs?do they countable? and fox's report about the election of us president

[Chulo]

you mean chinese media isn't trustable? so what about the western modia's distortion of
tibet affairs?do they countable? and fox's report about the election of us presidentSo you do trust the Chinese state media for everything

[SBL]

you mean chinese media isn't trustable? so what about the western modia's distortion of
tibet affairs?do they countable? and fox's report about the election of us president
Oh man. I didn't see that coming at all.

[Chimera]

I am sorry, but I don't like your style.

Answer our questions in details with contructed and pertinent agruments. You are just avoiding to answer our concerns so far with skilful evasions..

[KET]

I am sorry, but I don't like your style.

http://207.199.174.56/img/FCrhxKcKux_DEEBALXMT5IKSOQNSGLJXKOWPELQGLBO.jpeg

[KET]

Answer our questions in details with contructed and pertinent agruments. You are just avoiding to answer our concerns so far with skilful evasions..
Take it easy on him. He has to watch what he says... otherwise...

http://www.laogai.org/news2/newsimg/2005/03/execution5.jpg

[peterli]

So you do trust the Chinese state media for everything
I don't mean that, all i want to say is that media are all the same, by the way I am a student in qingdao, I didn't engage in the acitvity, but I have been there, and my classmates have witnessed.

[LaoSexMachine]

you mean chinese media isn't trustable? so what about the western modia's distortion of
tibet affairs?do they countable? and fox's report about the election of us president


How do you know this and do you believe in the Chinese state media?

[plato]

How do you know this and do you believe in the Chinese state media?

They don't believe the Chinese media, either. They just have a higher standard for Western media. Double standard.

[Dercius]

Take it easy on him. He has to watch what he says... otherwise...

http://www.laogai.org/news2/newsimg/2005/03/execution5.jpg

Come on people!!!

Dont be so hard with this propaganda guy.
Give this CCP boy a breakroflYou, know, he has to be careful with what he says, give him some time to check the CCP last memo or you wont hear of him againrofl Take it easy.

[peterli]

They don't believe the Chinese media, either. They just have a higher standard for Western media. Double standard.
how do you know everything about outside? not through media?

[plato]

how do you know everything about outside? not through media?

I don't know everything about outside. I have been to many many different countries, but I sitll don't know anything about them. Media is only one way to know a little bit about the outside, not everything.

[peterli]

Come on people!!!

Dont be so hard with this propaganda guy.
Give this CCP boy a breakroflYou, know, he has to be careful with what he says, give him some time to check the CCP last memo or you wont hear of him againrofl Take it easy.
You were never in china,

[tomonator]

The Chinese could have just asked for surrender, the French would have given them the keys. p-)

[plato]

You were never in china,

You are in China, so can you tell us the truth. then? Can clever peaceful people criticize your government on TV? NOT clever peaceful Westerner, but Chinese themselves.

[Dercius]

how do you know everything about outside? not through media?

There is something called freedom. You can go on the web an check local media too, in order to make your own idea of what its going on around the world. Unfortunately, this option is not implemented worldwide yet, because certain dictatorships think that freedom and the right to get plural information is dangerous for their system and their way of life (of the party bureaucrats I mean rofl).

[Chimera]

The Chinese could have just asked for surrender, the French would have given them the keys. p-)

Hilarious!

[plato]

This is sad, even little kids want to boycott France. Seriously, what did France do to China, again?

http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/ChinaNews/31388694.html

[tomonator]

Mon ami je plaisantais seulement :)

[Dercius]

You were never in china,

No, thanks god, I didnt want to end as Richard Gere cellmate and paying for my bullet rofl

World is too big, and you are too young yet to fully understand it. I recomend you to go abroad, read a little bit, speak with lots of people, watch the news, and then, only then, make your own idea about what goes on in this world. But as I told you, first go abroad, I dont want to be worried for your personal safety if you follow my advise while on chinese soil.rofl Take it easy. The world is too big, dont pretend to be omnisapient so young and just watching chinese state media reportsrofl

[Chimera]

Mon ami je plaisantais seulement :)

Ouch, sorry mate! I lose my temper easily when it's about "the french who surrender"..


You were never in china,

Have you ever been in my country? Cause I've been in China, and I can say, by comparison with other countries where I've been that there's no such things as freedom of expression, speech, or press.

The question is simple: can you, yes or not, criticize your government without fear of being executed, tortured ? Just answer the question. We are not talking about Tibet, or the western media and its coverage of the events in China.

[gaijinsamurai]

This "protest" seems so well organized that it makes you think if it was actually... well... orchestrated by somone other that the "common people." Whatever it is they're just showing their ignorance.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it later comes out that someone other than the "common people" orchestrated this. It is pretty well known that the Chinese Government orchestrated the "spontanious" riots against Japanese-owned Ito Yokado stores in China, following former Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koisumi's visits to Yasukune Shrine a few years ago.

[peterli]

so guys for some kind of reasons about myself(knowledge or expression skills or english level), I can't explain exactly something, but that doesn't mean I give up,anyway Welcome guys to china, I believe when you see young cuples with their little child walk around the seaside leisurely,you will not have any negative thought about this country' freedom,and I think If I was a foreigher I will spend some time doing some reasearch about chinese figures like chairman mao ,or deng..., they are great persons like lincoln even if just from their personality glamour, whatever you say ,by the way ,anyone want to learn chinese? maybe I can be a help ,hehe.good luck guys

[WKD]

I am sorry, but I don't like your style.

Then go back to your hug-box.


you mean chinese media isn't trustable? so what about the western modia's distortion of
tibet affairs?do they countable? and fox's report about the election of us president

Yeah, that's pretty much what everyone is saying. Thing is there are many, many different competing 'modia' organisations in the Free World (you know, the world you don't live in), so some sort of reality get's through in the end.

Everyone also knows this and processes information accordingly.


I don't mean that, all i want to say is that media are all the same, by the way I am a student in qingdao, I didn't engage in the acitvity, but I have been there, and my classmates have witnessed.

No, not all media is exactly the same. Not even remotely so. You'd know this and understand the reasons why if you didn't live in a dictator-state.


You were never in china,

You were never in the Tibeten riots I'd hazard.


I wouldn't be surprised at all if it later comes out that someone other than the "common people" orchestrated this. It is pretty well known that the Chinese Government orchestrated the "spontanious" riots against Japanese-owned Ito Yokado stores in China, following former Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koisumi's visits to Yasukune Shrine a few years ago.

But Gaijinsamurai, the Party IS the people, so naturally even if it was organised by the party it would still be spontaneously organised by the common people. Chairman Mao loves you and wants to be your friend. From beyond the grave. OH **** IT'S ZOMBIE MAO GET IN THE CAR.

[WKD]

so guys for some kind of reasons about myself(knowledge or expression skills or english level), I can't explain exactly something, but that doesn't mean I give up,anyway Welcome guys to china, I believe when you see young cuples with their little child walk around the seaside leisurely,you will not have any negative thought about this country' freedom,and I think If I was a foreigher I will spend some time doing some reasearch about chinese figures like chairman mao ,or deng..., they are great persons like lincoln even if just from their personality glamour, whatever you say ,by the way ,anyone want to learn chinese? maybe I can be a help ,hehe.good luck guys


I can see young couples walk around with their children here, but what I don't see at the same time is a single-party dictatorship that ruthlessly crushes political dissent. So I think I'm fine, sport. And I don't recall the man that liberated the slaves also killing 20 million people and deliberately establishing a personality cult in order to solidify his arbitrary powers over the country. Nor do I recall that Mao allowed people to vote against him.

But sure, whatever makes you happy in your socialist paradise.

[gaijinsamurai]

But Gaijinsamurai, the Party IS the people, so naturally even if it was organised by the party it would still be spontaneously organised by the common people. Chairman Mao loves you and wants to be your friend. From beyond the grave. OH **** IT'S ZOMBIE MAO GET IN THE CAR.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but what can we expect? I'm a product of years of CNN brainwashing, in order to give me a bias against the peace-loving Party. And yeah, I'm sure Mao was a swell guy, whose legacy has been the victim of Western defamation.

[plato]

Another boycott in the city of WuHan


http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/ChinaNews/31393338.html

[plato]

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[Bohemoth]

You know what? If they don't want our help, then leave them alone with their misery with a totalitarian regime. It's not that we gain anything by trying to help them.

Simple as that. p-)

[WKD]

But Gaijinsamurai, the Party IS the people, so naturally even if it was organised by the party it would still be spontaneously organised by the common people. Chairman Mao loves you and wants to be your friend. From beyond the grave. OH **** IT'S ZOMBIE MAO GET IN THE CAR.

Sorry, but what can we expect? I'm a product of years of CNN brainwashing, in order to give me a bias against the peace-loving Party. And yeah, I'm sure Mao was a swell guy, whose legacy has been the victim of Western defamation.

Well now it's good that you can admit that, it'll make your re-education go that much more smoothly. It's time for you to show correct humilty for obedience to Maoist guidelines. Can you see I am not joking?

[pramit]

You are in China, so can you tell us the truth. then? Can clever peaceful people criticize your government on TV? NOT clever peaceful Westerner, but Chinese themselves.
Most Chinese are satisfied with the policy of CCP in the last 30 years, although still has many problems, like corruption, environment,education fee and so on, compare to the 30 years before, people's life have great change, the policy of CCP now is obvious right, actually,most of us are not satisfied with the local official, I think the corruption is quite serious in some place,this problem also happened in democracy country,the best example,Taiwan didn't get any profit from the democratic gov last 8 years.CCP gov certainly need learn something from other country, but it takes time,China has it own rhythm, riot and unrest is not we want.
we sure have speech freedom if you are not fan to oppose CCP's leader,actually there are alway different voice in MP net although some sensitive words are banned,there are two famou forum in China, ChinaBBS is left wing, CAT898 is right wing, they attack each other quite often.
Most Chinese think western people have more freedom than us, and we consider the western media also objective, but we really very disappointment this time, Although CCP censor some news, but never distort the truth, it's why Chinese are so angry with your media and politicians.

[WKD]

, but we really very disappointment this time, Although CCP censor some news, but never distort the truth, it's why Chinese are so angry with your media and politicians.

Hahahahaha. Jesus Christ.

We distort, you decide what we tell you too. Sure, whatever makes you happy.

[Bohemoth]

Hahahahaha. Jesus Christ.

We distort, you decide what we tell you too. Sure, whatever makes you happy.
I agree, you see that's what makes it so perverted:
The oridinary Chinese people start to believe their totalitarian government and state media and act on their own. The puppets start dancing on their own.

Diagnosis: Thorough brainwash over decades, good job CCP. :)

[gaijinsamurai]

You know what? If they don't want our help, then leave them alone with their misery with a totalitarian regime. It's not that we gain anything by trying to help them.

Simple as that. p-)

I believe that "Democracy" is something the Chinese people must choose for themselves, and struggle accordingly to achieve it, IF they want it.

However, the Tibetan people did not choose to be invaded, occupied, and annexed by their neighbor to the north. If we disapprove of the occupation we have a right to let our objections be known.

[gaijinsamurai]

Well now it's good that you can admit that, it'll make your re-education go that much more smoothly. It's time for you to show correct humilty for obedience to Maoist guidelines. Can you see I am not joking?

I'll write a self-criticism for being a Capitalist-Roader.

[ChinaCat]

idiots are talking about something they don't know somewhere they never reach some people they never touch with, and those guys said, "there are some idiots do something crummy". you'll never understand what's going on in china , what will happen in the world.

to order your clothes by face a mirror
to know what you got and lost by face other people
to foresee nation trend by understand what had happening.

ONCE MORE , READ MORE SPEAK LESS

[Calanen]

they are great persons like lincoln even if just from their personality glamour, w


Lincoln freed the slaves. Mao executed them. They do have the slave part in common however, I will give you that.

[Gulag]

This "protest" seems so well organized that it makes you think if it was actually... well... orchestrated by somone other that the "common people." Whatever it is they're just showing their ignorance.

Well, they have rules how to be happy on Olympic games, maybe they have rules how to protest, who knows!

[Calanen]

You might have the Olympics. And you might have 1.3 billion people and a good economy. And a huge spin team. But make no mistake, China is a brutal ruthless dictatorship that engages in forced slavery, mass murder, and the repression of freedom.

A vampire wearing a clown mask, does not fool anyone. Not even the vampire.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/429/chineseexecution1gf0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Ordie]

The CCP doesnt realise that this sort of stuff just makes them look nutso in the eyes of the world.

The CCP would rather be soft faced domestically and hard faced internationally.

The CCP would let this happen as they did when protest went out of hand at the US Embassy during the accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade and the EP-3 collision with a PLAN fighter near Hainan.

What makes it more difficult is the control of information and images both in and out of China to prevent these outburst from happening.

[WKD]

idiots are talking about something they don't know somewhere they never reach some people they never touch with, and those guys said, "there are some idiots do something crummy". you'll never understand what's going on in china , what will happen in the world.

to order your clothes by face a mirror
to know what you got and lost by face other people
to foresee nation trend by understand what had happening.

ONCE MORE , READ MORE SPEAK LESS

Once more learn english, no one here knows what the **** you are talking about.

You had better be showing endless loyalty to the furtherment of the betterment of the establishment of the first principles of great Mao socialism super justice though, otherwise, arrgh, you'll be in for it. Just ask Gaijensamurai.

I am serious 100%.

[ren0312]

Lincoln freed the slaves. Mao executed them. They do have the slave part in common however, I will give you that.

Lincoln did not intend to free the slaves, he just wanted to preserve the Union, with the Emancipation Proclamation being a byproduct of it, if he could do it without freeing a single slave, I think he would have, the Civil War was a war over state's rights, with slavery being a major issue.

[Calanen]

Lincoln did not intend to free the slaves, he just wanted to preserve the Union, with the Emancipation Proclamation being a byproduct of it, if he could do it without freeing a single slave, I think he would have, the Civil War was a war over state's rights, with slavery being a major issue.

He said exactly that in one of his letters, but I dont think he liked slavery or the slave owners very much. He says things for and against slavery in a number of places, because he is being a careful politician - and was moving slowly to get where he needed to be. But the plantation owners were not people he liked.

[WKD]

Lincoln did not intend to free the slaves, he just wanted to preserve the Union, with the Emancipation Proclamation being a byproduct of it, if he could do it without freeing a single slave, I think he would have, the Civil War was a war over state's rights, with slavery being a major issue.


No, if Lincoln could have avoided the war and freeing the slaves, he would have. He felt that war would be a terrible thing, and that he was duty bound to avoid it. Once the war was joined, he had every intention of doing so. You make it sound like once the war was won they just walked off the plantations and holy ****, freed slaves.

His own personal views were anti-slavery. He did not consider black people to be the same as europeans but he could not agree with slavery on principle.

Mao just wanted to maintain his own power. His felt duty bound only to himself. I am serious 100%


He said exactly that in one of his letters, but I dont think he liked slavery or the slave owners very much. He says things for and against slavery in a number of places, because he is being a careful politician - and was moving slowly to get where he needed to be. But the plantation owners were not people he liked.

You're more correct than ren is there Calanen. I can't be bothered digging up the literature but that's about right. Even American Studies pseudo-intellectuals believe he was anti-slavery, it's just that he didn't want to destroy the country over it.

Comparing him to Mao is unbelievable.

[ren0312]

No, if Lincoln could have avoided the war and freeing the slaves, he would have. He felt that war would be a terrible thing, and that he was duty bound to avoid it. Once the war was joined, he had every intention of doing so. You make it sound like once the war was won they just walked off the plantations and holy ****, freed slaves.

His own personal views were anti-slavery. He did not consider black people to be the same as europeans but he could not agree with slavery on principle.

Mao just wanted to maintain his own power. His felt duty bound only to himself. I am serious 100%

I know he was anti slavery but I think he made a speech before the war that if he could keep the Union together without freeing the slaves, then he would have, he made the Emancipation Proclamation after the Union had won the Battle of Antienam, the slave states who sided with the Union were allowed to keep their slaves till the end of the war.

[yydebox1]

I love off topic.rofl

[ren0312]

No, if Lincoln could have avoided the war and freeing the slaves, he would have. He felt that war would be a terrible thing, and that he was duty bound to avoid it. Once the war was joined, he had every intention of doing so. You make it sound like once the war was won they just walked off the plantations and holy ****, freed slaves.

His own personal views were anti-slavery. He did not consider black people to be the same as europeans but he could not agree with slavery on principle.

Mao just wanted to maintain his own power. His felt duty bound only to himself. I am serious 100%



You're more correct than ren is there Calanen. I can't be bothered digging up the literature but that's about right. Even American Studies pseudo-intellectuals believe he was anti-slavery, it's just that he didn't want to destroy the country over it.

Comparing him to Mao is unbelievable.

I think you just repeated my point, sorry if I was not clear.

[WKD]

I think you just repeated my point, sorry if I was not clear.

It's an issue that warrants a bit more precision I feel. But cool.

[plato]

Chinese truck drivers protest France outside a Carrefour
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/PjVoTSNGZ1E

[plato]

Can China punish France? (boycott Carrefour) by France24
part 1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/y1jVMl1nZF8
part2/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ElJBXbjHUOk
part3/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/dTJuEbOQ7dM

[yydebox1]

Can China punish France? (boycott Carrefour) by France24
part 1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/y1jVMl1nZF8
part2/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ElJBXbjHUOk
part3/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/dTJuEbOQ7dM
Take care,plato,you are busy recently.:D

[plato]

Most workers at Carrefour are Chinese, and most goods are Chinese goods, so I wonder who is getting hurt from these boycotts.

[plato]

France = Nazi? take a look at this picture:


http://www.mitbbs.com/article2/ChinaNews/31394406_230.jpg

http://www.mitbbs.com/article2/ChinaNews/31394406_230.jpg

[yydebox1]

Most workers at Carrefour are Chinese, and most goods are Chinese goods, so I wonder who is getting hurt from these boycotts.
Many members of MP.net are getting hurt,they feel uncomfortable right now.

[WKD]

Many members of MP.net are getting hurt,they feel uncomfortable right now.

To the contrary commie, I'm having a ball.

[plato]

To the contrary commie, I'm having a ball.

You shouldn't have even bothered to respond to them.

[yydebox1]

To the contrary commie, I'm having a ball.
So you are not one of them.p-)

[yydebox1]

You shouldn't have even bothered to respond to them.
Hey,I am on your side,plato,:cantbeli:.You always telling the truth,so most chinese dislike you,the truth hurts them a lot I think.

[RevengeSeeker]

*cough* hypocrites *cough*

Sorry about that. Something got caught in my throat.

[yydebox1]

You know,it is very hard to be a chinese.When you approach Western opinion,they call you hypocrites,when you against them,they call you brainwashed.SIGH.

[Waasuup]

This is sad, even little kids want to boycott France. Seriously, what did France do to China, again?

http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/ChinaNews/31388694.html


I gree with you. It is sad, the kids know nothing of politics. But the same goes for European kids who have banners of Free Tobet on their heads put by their parents. What do they know anyway? What did China do to them?

[Paparazzi]

Hey,I am on your side,plato,:cantbeli:.You always telling the truth,so most chinese dislike you,the truth hurts them a lot I think.
It seems those chinese patriots have already understood why so many US patriots anger with Gallo goverment did 7 years ago. finaly they found the common ground..roflrofl

[RevengeSeeker]

You know,it is very hard to be a chinese.When you approach Western opinion,they call you hypocrites,when you against them,they call you brainwashed.SIGH.

rofl

Try being an American... only difference... we handle it better. ;-)

[Waasuup]

Ouch, sorry mate! I lose my temper easily when it's about "the french who surrender"..



Have you ever been in my country? Cause I've been in China, and I can say, by comparison with other countries where I've been that there's no such things as freedom of expression, speech, or press.

The question is simple: can you, yes or not, criticize your government without fear of being executed, tortured ? Just answer the question. We are not talking about Tibet, or the western media and its coverage of the events in China.


Well the media is controled by the government in the first place. But doesn't mean it's all government propaganda. You can criticize the people who are doing things the wrong way as long as you don't say that the Communist government is wrong and that we need a revolution. It's okay f you are not too direct. But the truth is you do have to be a lot more careful than in the west. And becareful who you point fingures to.

[Waasuup]

rofl

Try being an American... only difference... we handle it better. ;-)


Haha, well said man. Well said. And i think the US government handles things a bit better too.

[Waasuup]

I agree, you see that's what makes it so perverted:
The oridinary Chinese people start to believe their totalitarian government and state media and act on their own. The puppets start dancing on their own.

Diagnosis: Thorough brainwash over decades, good job CCP. :)

Actually most Chinese know better and never Believe 100% from any media source.

[Waasuup]

Lincoln freed the slaves. Mao executed them. They do have the slave part in common however, I will give you that.

Mao executed the slaves????
If anything Mao execured the slave owners.

[Ordie]

You know,it is very hard to be a chinese.

You guys put too much value on face, too sensitive, take things too serious, and obsessive about the past. You need to loosen up.

Try being a Latin American, we live for today, anarchist in nature, laugh at ourselves, mock our leaders, passionate in love, love our families,and patriotic every four years during the World Cup. If we don't like our leaders we kick them out.

[Waasuup]

The CCP would rather be soft faced domestically and hard faced internationally.

The CCP would let this happen as they did when protest went out of hand at the US Embassy during the accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade and the EP-3 collision with a PLAN fighter near Hainan.

What makes it more difficult is the control of information and images both in and out of China to prevent these outburst from happening.


I agree 100%

[Waasuup]

You guys put too much value on face, too sensitive, take things too serious, and obsessive about the past. You need to loosen up.

Try being a Latin American, we live for today, anarchist in nature, laugh at ourselves, mock our leaders, passionate in love, love our families,and patriotic every four years during the World Cup. If we don't like our leaders we kick them out.

Haha I do envy you're lives. But when all of the sudden a lot of people from different countries all seem to become judgemental on you, and most of which seemingly wrongfully. It does get you pissed. If it were you i'm sure south americans would not just shut up and just watch.

[RevengeSeeker]

Well the media is controled by the government in the first place. But doesn't mean it's all government propaganda. You can criticize the people who are doing things the wrong way as long as you don't say that the Communist government is wrong and that we need a revolution. It's okay f you are not too direct. But the truth is you do have to be a lot more careful than in the west. And becareful who you point fingures to.

I've been to China once and I recall one time when I was at Tiananmen Square staring at that huge Mao picture, the guards gave me return stares like they were waiting for my reaction...

Then I did this,

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm320/revengeseeker02/isverynice.jpg

And they smiled and returned to talking with each other. Seriously.

[Waasuup]

Most workers at Carrefour are Chinese, and most goods are Chinese goods, so I wonder who is getting hurt from these boycotts.

Well the truth is that if the boycotts do actually take effect, Both countries losers, but the French would lose a lot more. Who do you think makes more money? The french from all the Chinese buyers, or the Chinese for jobs, manufacturing things from the French. Of course the bosses make more than the employees.

[Waasuup]

I've been to China once and I recall one time when I was at Tiananmen Square staring at that huge Mao picture, the guards gave me return stares like they were waiting for my reaction...

Then I did this,

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm320/revengeseeker02/isverynice.jpg

And they smiled and returned to talking with each other. Seriously.

Haha, good one. I bet that was some time ago.
I'm in Xi'an and the city is flooded with tourists nowadays.
Bye the way, how was your visit?

[yydebox1]

I've been to China once and I recall one time when I was at Tiananmen Square staring at that huge Mao picture, the guards gave me return stares like they were waiting for my reaction...

Then I did this,

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm320/revengeseeker02/isverynice.jpg

And they smiled and returned to talking with each other. Seriously.
IMO,you were just misunderstanding each other.

[Ordie]

Haha I do envy you're lives. But when all of the sudden a lot of people from different countries all seem to become judgemental on you, and most of which seemingly wrongfully. It does get you pissed. If it were you i'm sure south americans would not just shut up and just watch.

Heck, I could care less if someone insults my country (USA), they have the right to express whatever they want. For me its just words.

I think much of the misunderstanding is based on ones values and norms.

For the people of China, the value of soverignty is very important. For Westerners the value of individual freedoms is equally important. Both China and the West sacrificed lives to preserve these values.

However, for the West, the value of preserving individual freedoms is universal not exclusive to individual nation states. For China the value of soverignty must be respected both at home and abroad.

One of my dreams is to teach an American Government and Society (Civics) Class in China. That way I could de-mystify the image of the United States and American society. Hopefully plant a seed of understanding and change for the better.

[Ordie]

Well the truth is that if the boycotts do actually take effect, Both countries losers, but the French would lose a lot more. Who do you think makes more money? The french from all the Chinese buyers, or the Chinese for jobs, manufacturing things from the French. Of course the bosses make more than the employees.

I'd bet there is not a single household, bar or karaoke parlour in China without a bottle of Remy Martin.

The boycott will not be effective.

http://image.bizrate.com/resize?sq=160&uid=569791003&mid=144256 (http://www.bizrate.com/rd?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.winechateau.com%2Fvsku1047838.html&mid=144256&cat_id=16060000&prod_id=569791003&pos=0&b_id=126&token_id=8N&lg=0&bamt=18721792bcfeddff&ppr=b7b3a20378dc2000&oid=569791003&atom=10660&sc=&bid_type=0)

[RevengeSeeker]

IMO,you were just misunderstanding each other.

Perhaps. Although they gave me the same stare at the Great Wall after I refused to buy the guard's friend's little street merchandise he was trying to persuade me to buy.

Honestly, China was an interesting experience. Some of the people were really adorable; especially a couple of flirty girls at a tourist shopping spot I met and an old man who taught me how to tie plastic bags "the Chinese way" and just toss it over my shoulder (sure made it hella easier for the rest of the day). Then again, alot were rude and pushy as well...

But I'm not oblivious to the fact that what I saw there was what the government wanted me to see. My grandmother is a Buddhist representative nun with special 'permission' to go to those far-off provinces (with money from buddhists charity programs in America to help the needy in China) they don't want most people to visit and she said it was heart-breaking seeing people in poverty and children (mostly girls) still out in the open for sale today. She said it was like a whole new world behind the city walls; a world most people don't know exist.

Eh , you can believe me or not. I'm not lying and I don't see why my 80-something year old grandma would be lying as well.

[Waasuup]

Heck, I could care less if someone insults my country (USA), they have the right to express whatever they want. For me its just words.

I think much of the misunderstanding is based on ones values and norms.

For the people of China, the value of soverignty is very important. For Westerners the value of individual freedoms is equally important. Both China and the West sacrificed lives to preserve these values.

However, for the West, the value of preserving individual freedoms is universal not exclusive to individual nation states. For China the value of soverignty must be respected both at home and abroad.

One of my dreams is to teach an American Government and Society (Civics) Class in China. That way I could de-mystify the image of the United States and American society. Hopefully plant a seed of understanding and change for the better.

That is very, very true!

And i believe it is not very hard to fulfill that dream of yours.
You can apply as a foreign volunteer to teech english. I study in Xi'an foreign languages university.
As long as you have a college degree, and is a native English speeker, which you are, a lot of Chinese universities would want to have you as a teacher.
One of my dreams would be to make more Americans and Europeans to know about the real China and it's history.

[Ordie]

Perhaps. Although they gave me the same stare at the Great Wall after I refused to buy the guard's friend's little street merchandise he was trying to persuade me to buy.

I was followed by several plainclothes police officers in Tienanmien Square early one morning. I was one of the few in the large square with four guys around me. So I decided to walk in patterns they followed along. I would walk towards one, and he would walk away. I did the same for others. It was very comical.

[Waasuup]

I was followed by several plainclothes police officers in Tienanmien Square early one morning. I was one of the few in the large square with four guys around me. So I decided to walk in patterns they followed along. I would walk towards one, and he would walk away. I did the same for others. It was very comical.

When was this the 1990s right? You should have reported him in ...

[Calanen]

I was followed by several plainclothes police officers in Tienanmien Square early one morning. I was one of the few in the large square with four guys around me. So I decided to walk in patterns they followed along. I would walk towards one, and he would walk away. I did the same for others. It was very comical.

You should've challenged them to a dance off, MC Hammer style.

[Shoplifter]

Evidently there are now protests at French schools in China. This was at a Lycee near the Embassy in Beijing. Supposedly they were standing outside chanting "Death to foreigners" in English...

See: http://www.csh.gov.cn/article_122419.html

http://www.csh.gov.cn/upfile/1/20084/41961681c759.jpg

[Atlantic Friend]

Supposedly they were standing outside chanting "Death to foreigners" in English.

Naturally the Chinese government isn't encouraging this in any way.... Nope, it looks and sounds pretty spontaneous ! ;)

[J-10]

http://www.china.org.cn/china/national/2008-04/17/content_14967641.htm
Online and text message calls for boycotts of French Carrefour and other foreign retailers are circulating in China in response to the disruptions of the Olympic torch relay in Paris.

The calls attempted to mobilize Chinese citizens to boycott purchases in chain stores of Carrefour and Louis Vuitton, a French luxury brand, and Body shop, a cosmetics retailer belonging to L'Oreal SA.

Chinese Internet search engine Baidu turns up about 211,000 entries supporting a boycott of Carrefour. Similar calls have circulated on www.qq.com, a popular chat site, and through mobile phone text messages.

The financial and economic channel of the popular portal www.netease.com posted a survey about a boycott of French products. Among the 43,880 respondents, 95.4 percent were in favor.

The public relations manager of Carrefour in Shanghai, Li Jing, said that the chain had started an investigation of the calls.

"Some Chinese have expressed their opinions and feelings. This is not a coincidence and the French side needs to ponder and reflect upon them," said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu when asked about the Carrefour boycott.

"I believe people will abide by laws and regulations in expressing their reasonable appeals," Jiang added.

On April 7, the torch relay in Paris was interrupted many times. The most notable incident was when several supporters of "Tibetan independence" rushed to wheelchair-bound torch bearer Jin Jing and tried to snatch away the torch.

However, not everyone in the online community agreed with the idea of boycott. Some pointed out that Carrefour's staff in China were mostly Chinese nationals, who would be hurt by a sales boycott. Others said a boycott wouldn't do anything to penalize backers of "Tibetan independence".

Bai Yansong, a well-known anchorman of China Central Television (CCTV), and He Yanguang, a prominent Chinese photojournalist, openly opposed the boycotts, expressing their concerns over the consequence of such boycotts.

Bai said in his blog that "most of the employees in Carrefour chain stores are Chinese and such boycotts are a kind of faction", calling on Chinese netizens to calm down and have rational emotions.

He Yanguang, chief photographer with China Youth Daily, said Carrefour sells thousands of domestically made products which are produced by millions of Chinese workers.

"If such boycotts are carried out, our Chinese people's interests will be first harmed," He said.

Carrefour China released a statement on Wednesday at its website which pledges that Carrefour has not and will not do anything to hurt Chinese people's feelings.

It insists that the allegations that Carrefour supports illegal political organizations are totally fabricated and lack evidence, noting that the company reserves the right to appeal against any individual or organization who creates and spreads such rumors.

(Xinhua News Agency April 17, 2008)

[Bohemoth]

Those student protesters are the Elite of China? Then good night China, because:

This world is full of Made in China products. If they boycott a foreign company, they are most likely harming their own domestic suppliers and not only foreign ones. Secondly, in times of globalization, apparently foreign companies might not even be completely foreign, but major shareholders could be Chinese ones.

With such smart ass students, Good Night China.rofl

[Calanen]

Makes a lot of sense - penalise a shopping mall because the french government had a hard time dealing with protesters in the torch relay. That will bring those dirty frenchies to their knees!

[gregoralexII]

I guess it won't last long.

[SBL]

I guess it won't last long.

Weren't you banned not too long ago?

[gregoralexII]

Yeah,but I am happy back.Miss you guys here!

[SBL]

Yeah,but I am happy back.Miss you guys here!

The irony of your "first" post isn't lost on me. Been nice knowing you.

[Ordie]

You should've challenged them to a dance off, MC Hammer style.

I challenged one to take a picture of me. I tried to bum a cigarette from another. They were more scared of me than I was of them.

This was in 1996 during the UN Conference on Women.

[Rudolph]

Those photos destroy any doubt that these protests are simple, unplanned, outburts by civs.

[tusiki]

I challenged one to take a picture of me. I tried to bum a cigarette from another. They were more scared of me than I was of them.

This was in 1996 during the UN Conference on Women.
So, I guess you are a courageous woman. :)

[Chimera]

One of my dreams would be to make more Americans and Europeans to know about the real China and it's history.

I love the way you try to make of us the ignorants here. Every time we bring criticisms, it is, according to you, because of misunderstandings and of our ignorance of the Chinese culture. I probably know more about China and the Chinese history than you could ever know about my country's history.

[ren0312]

You guys put too much value on face, too sensitive, take things too serious, and obsessive about the past. You need to loosen up.

Try being a Latin American, we live for today, anarchist in nature, laugh at ourselves, mock our leaders, passionate in love, love our families,and patriotic every four years during the World Cup. If we don't like our leaders we kick them out.

Well Latin America culture has a lot of similarities with Philippine culture, and I think one of the reasons why Latin American countries do not seem to go anywhere since they gained their independence, and in some cases lie Argentina even seem to retrogress is because they do not take anything seriously enough, which is a problem with my country too.

[plato]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7356107.stm
Anti-French rallies across China



Protesters in several Chinese cities have gathered to demand a boycott of
French products and denounce campaigns for Tibetan independence.

Hundreds of people demonstrated in cities including Beijing, Wuhan, Hefei,
Kunming, and Qingdao - often outside stores of the French chain Carrefour.

Passions ran high, but the protests were closely patrolled by police.

Protesters say they are angry at the scale of protests that accompanied the
Olympic torch relay in Paris.

They have also denounced French President Nicolas Sarkozy's refusal to
confirm whether he will attend the opening ceremony of the Games.

Pictures from the central city of Wuhan showed large crowds congregating
outside a Carrefour supermarket.
Protesters use lorries to block access to an outlet of the French Carrefour
chain in Hefei, eastern China
In Hefei, protesters used lorries to block access to a Carrefour shop

The chain, which reportedly operates more than 100 outlets in China, has
restated its support for Beijing's hosting of the Olympics this August, but
is accused by some protesters of backing the campaign for Tibetan
independence.

"Oppose Tibet independence, support the Olympics," read one placard; "Say no
to French goods," said another.

Some placards went further, depicting Nazi swastikas on the French flag.

Many protesters also bore images of the disabled Chinese athlete Jin Jing,
who shot to prominence in China after fending off anti-Beijing protesters in
Paris.

In Beijing, protests were reported at a Carrefour, and outside the French
embassy and a French school, though police were said to have dispersed the
crowds rapidly.

"For the moment, it's pretty calm," a Carrefour employee in Beijing told AFP
news agency earlier on Saturday, confirming that dozens of protesters had
gathered outside.

"There is a strong feeling that authorities do not want it to get out of
hand," said the employee, who did not want to be named.

Campaigners for Tibetan independence have used the Olympics torch relay in
several cities around the world to stage public protests against Chinese
rule in Tibet.

Scuffles between torch bearers and protesters in cities including London and
Paris have forced host nations to mount tight security operations to
protect the torch on its journey.

[SOG]

I am sorry, but I don't like your style.

LOLOLOL

Zek, you are so mean.....

[plato]

Stock market in France and China for the past 5 days:

Let us see how effective these boycotts will be for next week.

France:

http://fr.ichart.yahoo.com/z?s=%5EFCHI&t=5d&q=l&l=on&z=l&p=s&a=v&p=s

China:

http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=000001.SS&t=5d&q=l&l=on&z=l&p=s&a=v&p=s

[readwrite]

If, a big if, there was a boycott of french goods, how does it relates to stock markets?

[plato]

If, a big if, there was a boycott of french goods, how does it relates to stock markets?

not much. I just doubt the effect of a Chinese boycott. France doesn't have that much trade with China, anyway.

[readwrite]

Then don't bring that in here in the first place. Kinda pointless and stupid.

[Chulo]

If, a big if, there was a boycott of french goods, how does it relates to stock markets?


Then don't bring that in here in the first place. Kinda pointless and stupid.So you dont see a relation between trading/stock and export import, geopolitical situations and social trends?

[plato]

Then don't bring that in here in the first place. Kinda pointless and stupid.

Sorry, I will bring it up again next Friday. For you to tell me that it is pointless and stupid is also kinda xxxx and xxxx

[readwrite]

So you dont see a relation between trading/stock and export import, geopolitical situations and social trends?

By all means, please enlighten me.

[muttbutt]

"Some Chinese have expressed their opinions and feelings. This is not a coincidence and the French side needs to ponder and reflect upon them,you think?....you can't take a piss on the side of the road with out one or the other of the security services knowing before hand, any sort of trade dust up will go badly for one side in all this.

[Chulo]

By all means, please enlighten me.How do you think the stock market works? people get up one day and decide to buy or sell depending on the weather? If china was said to be falling into disarray and a coup, do you think they would keep their investments in the country? If France was unable to export import into China do you not think that would affect their markets and industry?

[muttbutt]

How do you think the stock market works? people get up one day and decide to buy or sell depending on the weather? If china was said to be falling into disarray and a coup, do you think they would keep their investments in the country? If France was unable to export import into China do you not think that would affect their markets and industry?
Plus the differences in what each one export's, France, hi tech goods, car's, food stuff's ect, China....dog food?....fake rubber vomit?

[plato]

How do you think the stock market works? people get up one day and decide to buy or sell depending on the weather? If china was said to be falling into disarray and a coup, do you think they would keep their investments in the country? If France was unable to export import into China do you not think that would affect their markets and industry?

France doesn't have much trade with China, anyway. So, it is kinda pointless for Chinese to boycott Carrefour which hires Chinese workers, and sells Chinese goods.

[Chulo]

the stock market is a reflection of the industry and business world as much as its geopolitical and social. So any large scale event has the ability to affect the market, and when they start talking about boycotting a countries goods, that will perk ears up

[readwrite]

How do you think the stock market works? people get up one day and decide to buy or sell depending on the weather? If china was said to be falling into disarray and a coup, do you think they would keep their investments in the country? If France was unable to export import into China do you not think that would affect their markets and industry?
And why are you asking me these for?

[muttbutt]

I do hope the Government in Bejing understand's that on issues of trade ect, the EU work's as a single body, so any "trade disruptions" specifically at the French may have.......not nice reprecussions.....just something to mull over....p-)

[readwrite]

the stock market is a reflection of the industry and business world as much as its geopolitical and social. So any large scale event has the ability to affect the market, and when they start talking about boycotting a countries goods, that will perk ears up
Then again, it may,or may not.
You are just making an assumption that's as good as next Joe's.

[Chulo]

France doesn't have much trade with China, anyway. So, it is kinda pointless for Chinese to boycott Carrefour which hires Chinese workers, and sells Chinese goods.

France is the second largest agricultural product exporter, second only to the US.http://english.people.com.cn/200410/12/eng20041012_159933.html


France and China signed billions of dollars' worth of trade contracts during a visit to Paris by Chinese Vice-Premier Zeng Peiyan, cementing ties that have grown noticeably closer in recent months.
Airbus, the European aircraft-maker based in the French city of Toulouse, announced it had inked a $US2 billion ($A2.9 billion) deal to supply 20 A330-300 planes to China Eastern.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/040611/2/pf8i.html
there is plenty of trade goin around in todays world that it would be foolish to think that an event in different country does not affect another country.

[Chulo]

Then again, it may,or may not.
You are just making an assumption that's as good as next Joe's.ok, so you tell me what the sock market works off and what affects it?

[readwrite]

Sorry, I will bring it up again next Friday. For you to tell me that it is pointless and stupid is also kinda xxxx and xxxx

Hmm, stupidity is perfect bliss.

[readwrite]

ok, so you tell me what the sock market works off and what affects it?

I have no effing idea.

[Chulo]

I have no effing idea.well you ask for the relations of stock to the events, and i tell you the potential links. then you say
Then again, it may,or may not.
You are just making an assumption that's as good as next Joe's. so im asking YOU where you what your assumptions are, i have studied and had to take classes and write reports on it and got a degree in business.

unless your whole purpose of posting is to just make silly statments and remarks with nothing to back it up.

[plato]

http://english.people.com.cn/200410/12/eng20041012_159933.html


http://au.news.yahoo.com/040611/2/pf8i.html
there is plenty of trade goin around in todays world that it would be foolish to think that an event in different country does not affect another country.

But, if you look at the whole picture, then trade with China doesn't count that much. Just 7 western countries alone count for 65% of France's foreign trade. China accounts for less than 3% of France's foreign trade.

[Chulo]

But, if you look at the whole picture, then trade with China doesn't count that much. Just 7 western countries alone count for 65% of France's foreign trade. China accounts for less than 3% of France's foreign trade.
humm.. Airbus? that is a BIG contract they want and Airbus depends on.

[plato]

humm.. Airbus? that is a BIG contract they want and Airbus depends on.

I know, and the Chinese is using the Airbus to fly the Olympic torch all over the world right now.

[plato]

http://i25.tinypic.com/33bzh2u.jpg
http://www.china724.org/img/2008/4/19/28675891a23045.jpg
extra protection for the France embassy in Beijing:

[gregoralexII]

Originally Posted by Waasuup http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3189275#post3189275)
One of my dreams would be to make more Americans and Europeans to know about the real China and it's history.

I love the way you try to make of us the ignorants here. Every time we bring criticisms, it is, according to you, because of misunderstandings and of our ignorance of the Chinese culture. I probably know more about China and the Chinese history than you could ever know about my country's history.

well said.

[Chimera]

humm.. Airbus? that is a BIG contract they want and Airbus depends on.

The only reason why the chinese gov. buys Airbus is because they would be really pissed off to buy American. Besides, they don't give a sh$t of buying Airbus. And I don't either. They will keep buying Airbus or Boeing for the same reason I buy my cheap chinese-made underpants: because they need it and they don't have the choice.

Concerning Carrefour, to be honest with you, even if Carrefour officials say the are really concerned about the protests, they only employ 30 french managers and 100.000 chinese employees for the entire country. Carrefour is the second largest retailer in the world behind Wal-Mart, they are expanding on the south american market, in Africa, in the Middle East, etc. Boycotting french companies in China will harm more the chinese than us. And the chinese living in France, I find it hard to believe they can "boycott" french products..

[readwrite]

well you ask for the relations of stock to the events, and i tell you the potential links. then you say so im asking YOU where you what your assumptions are, i have studied and had to take classes and write reports on it and got a degree in business.

unless your whole purpose of posting is to just make silly statments and remarks with nothing to back it up.

I have no business making assumptions how markets work or do not work. And your getting a degree in business and writing a report makes you any wiser and smarter, that's none of my business too.
The only things I know here is you're just making assumptions, no more no less. And that's as good as next Joe's . Suck it up.

[plato]

deleted, broken link

[Chulo]

I have no business making assumptions how markets work or do not work. And your getting a degree in business and writing a report makes you any wiser and smarter, that's none of my business too.
The only things I know here is you're just making assumptions, no more no less. And that's as good as next Joe's . Suck it up.Im making assumptions about how the stock market works and what basic business interconnectivity is? Tell me what assumptions im making, cause thats what you keep on saying

[GlassHarp]

You can apply as a foreign volunteer to teech english. I study in Xi'an foreign languages university.

One of my dreams would be to make more Americans and Europeans to know about the real China and it's history.

I have been to your school and know some former students and profesors of that school, and I am of the opinion that many of them have a very simple and childish view of CHINESE history and the situation in CHINA, let alone the history or situations in the rest of the world. (thats current event and history of course)

Good school by the way I really would like to go back, maybe if I make it we can meet up and go out for lunch or naicha or something. I love Xian. Perhaps in the future I might be able to live there, that would be awsome.

[Ordie]

I have been to your school and know some former students and profesors of that school, and I am of the opinion that many of them have a very simple and childish view of CHINESE history and the situation in CHINA, let alone the history or situations in the rest of the world. (thats current event and history of course)


It's a different way of learning.

In the west there is alot of self-criticism and examination on all subjects. We are taught to question and challenge teachers from an early age. Critical thinking and forensics is a normal part of the discourse. There is no right or wrong as long as you back you're arguments and ideas.

I once wrote a paper in grade school that the American Colonies would have been better off being British for the Bicentennial. I recall it recieved a good grade from the teachers.

[Calanen]

Im making assumptions about how the stock market works and what basic business interconnectivity is? Tell me what assumptions im making, cause thats what you keep on saying

I think you are just assuming that he is making assumptions really. Care to disclose the assumptions you have made to assume that? Thought not.

[GlassHarp]

It's a different way of learning.

In the west there is alot of self-criticism and examination on all subjects. We are taught to question and challenge teachers from an early age. Critical thinking and forensics is a normal part of the discourse. There is no right or wrong as long as you back you're arguments and ideas.

I once wrote a paper in grade school that the American Colonies would have been better off being British for the Bicentennial. I recall it recieved a good grade from the teachers.

Good point.

[Waasuup]

Evidently there are now protests at French schools in China. This was at a Lycee near the Embassy in Beijing. Supposedly they were standing outside chanting "Death to foreigners" in English...

See: http://www.csh.gov.cn/article_122419.html

http://www.csh.gov.cn/upfile/1/20084/41961681c759.jpg


What kind of a protest is this? Seriously? 5 people? By the way, the sign reads, "Shut up Frenchies, Tibet belongs to China, The Olympic belongs to the world"

[Waasuup]

Those photos destroy any doubt that these protests are simple, unplanned, outburts by civs.

Which photos, and how so?

[Waasuup]

I love the way you try to make of us the ignorants here. Every time we bring criticisms, it is, according to you, because of misunderstandings and of our ignorance of the Chinese culture. I probably know more about China and the Chinese history than you could ever know about my country's history.

I'm not trying to make anyone look ignorant. If this is how i made you feel, i apologize. I never said any and all criticisms is because of misunderstandings and other people's ignorance of the Chinese culture. But in a lot of cases, it is.
I have to admit i do have a lot of catching up to do in French history and culture.
But the thing is more Europeans and Americans know more about China, and vise versa, a lot of the problems will be solved. Definitely not all, but a lot, don't you agree?

[Waasuup]

I have been to your school and know some former students and profesors of that school, and I am of the opinion that many of them have a very simple and childish view of CHINESE history and the situation in CHINA, let alone the history or situations in the rest of the world. (thats current event and history of course)

Good school by the way I really would like to go back, maybe if I make it we can meet up and go out for lunch or naicha or something. I love Xian. Perhaps in the future I might be able to live there, that would be awsome.

Very true a lot of the professors and students here are very childish. The university is kinda second rate in Xi'an anyway.

Cool it'll be great if you choose to come again. The food in Xi'an is the best. If you do PM me in advance.

[Waasuup]

It's a different way of learning.

In the west there is alot of self-criticism and examination on all subjects. We are taught to question and challenge teachers from an early age. Critical thinking and forensics is a normal part of the discourse. There is no right or wrong as long as you back you're arguments and ideas.

I once wrote a paper in grade school that the American Colonies would have been better off being British for the Bicentennial. I recall it recieved a good grade from the teachers.

Yes, well said. This is where we have a lot to learn and catch up.

[hydropod]

Again I have to laugh at Plato with his attmept at stockmarket "comparision". Using a 3 day graph.... OMG.... if I did that back in my studies, probably an instant F.
I may not know much about the French market, but the Chinese market had been in downturn since Nov 07, simply because it was totally overheated, and the government decided to let the market ride itself out. Nothing to do with the protests, and unlikely to affect the stockmarket as well.

P.S. Beijing to Shanghai express railway construction plan out. French TGV had been dropped from participation. That is a few tens of Billions in lost contract right there. I wonder why? Haha.

[plato]

Again I have to laugh at Plato with his attmept at stockmarket "comparision". Using a 3 day graph.... OMG.... if I did that back in my studies, probably an instant F.
I may not know much about the French market, but the Chinese market had been in downturn since Nov 07, simply because it was totally overheated, and the government decided to let the market ride itself out. Nothing to do with the protests, and unlikely to affect the stockmarket as well.

P.S. Beijing to Shanghai express railway construction plan out. French TGV had been dropped from participation. That is a few tens of Billions in lost contract right there. I wonder why? Haha.

Monday to Friday is 5 days, I think you.

[hydropod]

Monday to Friday is 5 days, I think you.

5 day graph it is then.
Same points stand. Using a week graph on a matter that would only show at the very least on a 30 day graph. Good job.

[plato]

5 day graph it is then.
Same points stand. Using a week graph on a matter that would only show at the very least on a 30 day graph. Good job.

I didn't prove anything, I was just trying to start a discussion on how much effect can these protests have on France. Stock market is one of the many indicators. No conclusion was given from me.

[hydropod]

And I am just laugh on the sidelines because I am telling you nothing would show up on the stockmarket in the short term, let alone a weekly graph. No conclusion given but just telling you you are wasting time and bandwidth doing it.

[mas-36]

If the anti-French boycott which took place here in the US (2003-2007) is any indication, I don't think the French need to worry about the Chinese at all.

Meanwhile, here is one Chinese man who won't be boycotting anything French at all:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080419/lf_nm_life/britain_wine_dc

[plato]

If the anti-French boycott which took place here in the US (2003-2007) is any indication, I don't think the French need to worry about the Chinese at all.

Meanwhile, here is one Chinese man who won't be boycotting anything French at all:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080419/lf_nm_life/britain_wine_dc

I remember the year Bill O'reilly called for French boycott was the year with a record high French wine import.

[hydropod]

Latest news: On May 1st, Carrafeur China is offering 50% discount sale on all lines, and all other major supermarket chains have followed suit.

So win-win for Chinese, boycotting or not.:):):)

Almost feel like a good way to force a discount sale.....:):):)

[Ordie]

It's no going to work.
It's a boycott of a brand not products. Since the majority of the products on the shelves are domestic and the employees are local.

The only means to hurt French industry would be to stop buying booze. Though knowing the Chinese well enough, they can't do without Remy Martin.

I find the boycott of France ironic since Deng Xiao Peng and Zhou Enlai both were inspried by the French Revolution and studied in France during the 1920's.

[Ordie]

Chinese Urge Anti-West Boycott Over Tibet Stance
By ANDREW JACOBS (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/j/andrew_jacobs/index.html?inline=nyt-per) and JIMMY WANG
BEIJING — Armed with her laptop and her indignation, Zhu Xiaomeng sits in her dorm room here, stoking a popular backlash against Western support for Tibet (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/china/tibet/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) that has unnerved foreign investors and Western diplomats and, increasingly, the ruling Communist Party.
Over the last week, Ms. Zhu and her classmates have been channeling anger over anti-China protests during the tumultuous Olympic torch (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/o/olympic_games_2008/olympic_torch/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) relay into a boycott campaign against French companies, blamed for their country’s support of pro-Tibetan agitators. Some have also called for a boycott against American chains like McDonald’s and Kentucky Fried Chicken.
On Friday and Saturday, protesters gathered in front of a half-dozen outlets of the French retailer Carrefour, including a demonstration in the central city of Wuhan that reportedly drew several thousand people, according to Agence France-Presse. On Saturday, about 50 demonstrators carrying banners held a brief rally at the French Embassy here before the police shooed them away.
For the moment, however, most of the outrage is confined to the Internet. More than 20 million people have signed online petitions saying they plan to stop shopping at the Carrefour chain, Louis Vuitton and other stores linked to France because of what they see as the country’s failure to protect the torch during its visit to Paris two weeks ago. In a survey released on Friday, China’s state news agency, known as Xinhua, said 66 percent of those who responded said they would stay away from Carrefour during a monthlong boycott planned for May.
Public indignation has also been directed at Western news outlets, which are blamed for one-sided coverage of the torch relay and for anti-Chinese bias in their reporting on the disturbances in Tibet. In recent days, foreign news outlets here have been swamped by angry phone calls; two music videos circulating on the Internet blast CNN with expletives and lyrics like, “Don’t think that repeating something over and over again means that lies become truth.”
Like many young people, Ms. Zhu, a student at Beijing’s prestigious Foreign Studies University, said she had been infuriated by what she described as unfair attacks on the country’s image. “China used to be known as the sick man of Asia,” said Ms. Zhu, 19, who has been sending out tens of thousands of pro-boycott messages through QQ, a popular online chat service. “We were separated like sand. But this worldwide show of support by Chinese all over the globe illustrates we have solidarity on this issue. After 5,000 years, we’re not so soft anymore.”
The boycott call, spread through millions of text messages and postings on the country’s most heavily trafficked Web sites, provides a window into the technology’s growing power to mobilize a country whose political passions are usually kept in check by tight government control.
Although Communist Party officials have the ability to block text messages and Internet traffic they find objectionable, the censors have until now allowed more leeway for boycott organizers. In many ways, they have been feeding the outrage by publicizing the threat by the French president, Nicolas Sarkozy (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/nicolas_sarkozy/index.html?inline=nyt-per), to skip the opening ceremonies and by repeatedly calling on CNN to apologize for remarks made by Jack Cafferty, a commentator who called the Chinese government “goons and thugs.” The network has expressed regret for offending the Chinese people, but officials here have dismissed the response as insincere.
But in a sign that the government may now be worried about the intensity of popular passion, the official news agency, Xinhua, said on Friday that it was time to curb nationalist zeal. While it lauded the boycott crusade, it advised people not to complicate the government’s aim of encouraging foreign investment in China.
“Patriotic fervor should be channeled into a rational track and must be transformed into real action toward doing our work well,” the agency said.
On Saturday, it issued a stronger warning, highlighting government concern that anti-Western sentiment could affect public attitudes during the Olympics, when 1.5 million people are expected to arrive. “Every son and daughter of China has the responsibility to show to the world in real action that China welcomes friends from all countries with open arms and will deliver an outstanding Olympics,” it said in an editorial.
In the past the government has encouraged nationalistic outbursts and then quashed them when passions grew too inflamed — or when the protests had achieved the political purpose officials envisioned. In 1999, the authorities gave free rein to a brief spasm of anti-American protest after the accidental bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, in what was then Yugoslavia; in 2005, they allowed even larger anti-Japanese demonstrations, which were fueled by anger over textbooks glossing over Japan’s wartime atrocities in China.
During marches in several Chinese cities that year, the police stood by as eggs and rocks were thrown at Japanese consulates. A few weeks later, officials pulled the plug by shutting down the organizers’ Web sites and filtering out anti-Japanese messages.
Mindful of how a public grief after the death of a party official morphed into the pro-democracy protests in Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government recognizes that vitriolic campaigns against outsiders could easily pivot toward the Communist Party.
Fang Xingdong, who runs blogchina.com (http://blogchina.com/), a hub for Chinese bloggers, said that he thought the government would not stand in the way of the boycott but that it would intervene if the anti-Western campaign became too disruptive. “If the irrational mood and behaviors among netizens are getting more and more intense, it will be very dangerous,” he said, using the term for the community of bloggers and message-board users. “But I think this will not be beyond government’s control.”
If the protests on Saturday are any indication, official tolerance for unsanctioned demonstrations is wearing thin. According to witnesses and news reports, most of the Carrefour protests were quickly dispersed by the police. In Beijing, a rally that drew about 50 people to the French Embassy and a nearby French school lasted an hour before riot police forced them to leave. By 3 p.m., dozens of uniformed officers had sealed off access to the streets surrounding the embassy.
In a country where the press is tightly controlled, the growing popularity of high-tech communication has made such protests possible. Some 229 million people have Internet access in the country, and usage in China is growing by 30 percent a year, according to BDA China, a research firm. Cellphone text messaging is ubiquitous here, with more than 98 percent of the country’s 400 million cellphone owners regularly using text messages. Another 300 million people are registered on instant messaging networks like MSN and QQ.
Ms. Zhu, for one, says that instant messaging is an effective way to reach thousands of people with a few keyboard strokes. “I don’t send e-mails to individuals,” she said. “It’s inefficient — you can reach a lot more people by e-mailing groups on QQ.”
In a demonstration of the Internet’s viral prowess, some 2.3 million MSN users have attached “I Love China” icons to their online profiles as an expression of solidarity against “Tibetan separatists.” A Google search for “Carrefour Boycott” in Chinese yielded over 2.4 million Web pages, most of them created in the last week.
Many of the messages accuse Carrefour executives of providing financial support to pro-Tibetan advocates, a charge the company denies. Others say American fast-food chains should be boycotted as a punishment for the recent meeting by the speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/nancy_pelosi/index.html?inline=nyt-per), with the Dalai Lama (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/_dalai_lama/index.html?inline=nyt-per).
In the past, boycott campaigns in China have largely come to naught.
On Wednesday afternoon, as she sat in a cafe sipping a can of Coca-Cola, Ms. Zhu said she thought the boycott would be a success. “Tibet is our country’s territory. You have no right to interfere in our interior affairs,” she said, adding, “A boycott may not be the right long-term solution, but we have to give the French people a lesson.”
Huang Yuanxi contributed research.



Source:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/world/asia/20china.html?ei=5087&em=&en=e93209b958e9eff1&ex=1208836800&pagewanted=print

[lightfire]

the french are unlucky..first the americans with their freedom fries and spillit the wine into the streets, now the chinese..

chinese fries? Chinese wine?

[Chimera]

the french are unlucky..first the americans with their freedom fries and spillit the wine into the streets, now the chinese..

chinese fries? Chinese wine?

They should rename it "dictator fries" or something, freedom fries would not really work in China..


P.S. Beijing to Shanghai express railway construction plan out. French TGV had been dropped from participation. That is a few tens of Billions in lost contract right there. I wonder why? Haha.

The AGV is the most advanced locomotive engine in the world, in terms of speed, efficiency, comsumption of energy, space, and cost of maintainance. Italy has already ordered it. Schwarzenegger is thinking of it in California, tons of projects throughout the world.
Again, if they want to boycott, they can try, they will fail.
A market with 1,3 billion people (actually 2/3 of it) is big, we always think of China as a imense market with a lot of profit to make. But there's one thing we forget, it's not really a market, every single importation depends on the CCP's goodwill. 1,3 billion, yes, but out of 6...There's another world apart from China, it's called the rest or the World.

[Chulo]

[Guys i thought that we agreed that according to readwrite that we are making big assumptions that the market and economics is related to geopolitical situations around the world, it may or may not really affect the market and how business and politics is played out .. :P

Then don't bring that in here in the first place. Kinda pointless and stupid.

[LazerLordz]

Source:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/world/asia/20china.html?ei=5087&em=&en=e93209b958e9eff1&ex=1208836800&pagewanted=print

Ms Zhu should really check her ego at the door. Global show of solidarity? I don't hear that happening from my mates at all.

In fact, many overseas Chinese are pretty disgusted at the PRC's treatment of Tibet and her refusal to absolve all use of force over the issue regarding Taiwanese unification.

Have any of these fellows talked to an average Tibetan, or visited Tibet? Do they see or research beyond what is considered kosher internet datastream in a nation with the "Great Firewall" when they start pounding away calling for a boycott or whatnot.

There is never smoke without fire. Granted, no nation's a saint, but China's pretty much got an uphill climb ahead of her when it comes to being the world's credibility spokesman.

[Ordie]

the french are unlucky..first the americans with their freedom fries and spillit the wine into the streets, now the chinese..

chinese fries? Chinese wine?

Chinese cheese?

[Sharp]

maybe europe and france should export some true mans in china, if you see what i mean..

[e_e]

In fact, many overseas Chinese are pretty disgusted at the PRC's treatment of Tibet and her refusal to absolve all use of force over the issue regarding Taiwanese unification.


I really doubt this statement.
If many overseas Chinese are pretty disgusted at the China's government treatment of Tibet, why there are so many Chinese in US and Europe to protest?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132705

[plato]

I really doubt this statement.
If many overseas Chinese are pretty disgusted at the China's government treatment of Tibet, why there are so many Chinese in US and Europe to protest?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132705


I was at a Chinese restaurant last week and overheard a group of Chinese students talking about Tibet. They were speaking Chinese. One guy said he did not care about human rights and wanted the CCP to kill or lock up all the monks in Tibet. Another guy said :"Yeah, let the west cry about it, what are they gona do? Nothing!" I really don't think many overseas Chinese are pretty disgusted at the CCP. But, then again NOT all of them support the CCP, either.

[plato]

Just to make some Chinese members who accused me of being bias happy, here is one French "thug" taking the Chinese flag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/NAgOTXv8x5s

[plato]

I have to be fair to the French, too. Look at these flags:

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/imgs/1/6/16471189.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/imgs/0/4/04d5d949.jpg

[Chimera]

Whatever. lol.

[I can't think of a name]

We are taught to question and challenge teachers from an early age.
I don't think that is true.

[I can't think of a name]

I was at a Chinese restaurant last week and overheard a group of Chinese students talking about Tibet. They were speaking Chinese. One guy said he did not care about human rights and wanted the CCP to kill or lock up all the monks in Tibet. Another guy said :"Yeah, let the west cry about it, what are they gona do? Nothing!" I really don't think many overseas Chinese are pretty disgusted at the CCP. But, then again NOT all of them support the CCP, either.

I am surprised how many Americans of Chinese decent who have never been to the PRC and don't speak Mandarin are willing to pick up and wave the red flag of nationalism. I guess it makes them more comfortable in their own skin or something.

I cannot tell you how many people the past few weeks I have had to tell that Tibet has not always been part of China.

[ocean]

I am surprised how many Americans of Chinese decent who have never been to the PRC and don't speak Mandarin are willing to pick up and wave the red flag of nationalism. I guess it makes them more comfortable in their own skin or something.

I cannot tell you how many people the past few weeks I have had to tell that Tibet has not always been part of China.

that reminds, Free Tibet, wait, where is Tibet? :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/v/9kzNWi5h8Hs&hl=en

[RJMC]

I am getting tired of this propaganda in this forum

you can see the patterns

first they say how everybody is ignorant brainwashed by the evil media and that they should go to china to know more and yeah learn about the chairman mao!

and when someone say a litle positive thing yeah they are nice whit them and talk them about how china is not like norht korea and to learn more about the chairman mao!

also whit the thing of the ccpis the people and such and when asked if you can mention something against the ccp they try to change subject whit post like "I dont like your style" and such

and allways the "china will change the world" coment which is pure propaganda at its finest

[Calanen]

also whit the thing of the ccpis the people and such and when asked if you can mention something against the ccp they try to change subject whit post like "I dont like your style" and such

and allways the "china will change the world" coment which is pure propaganda at its finest

They are still rank amateurs at propaganda, say compared with Goebbels or the Soviet Union. Its a very amateurish effort. It's kind of amusing though.

[Flamming_Python]

They are still rank amateurs at propaganda, say compared with Goebbels or the Soviet Union. Its a very amateurish effort. It's kind of amusing though.

Compared with the West, yeah, their propaganda is pretty crude & humorous :D

[Macs.]

I have to be fair to the French, too. Look at these flags:

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/imgs/1/6/16471189.jpg

http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/imgs/0/4/04d5d949.jpg

Welcome to the level of islamists, China !

[signatory]

Mmmm Flench Flies.

http://i29.tinypic.com/105wqrn.jpg

[supermana]

Did chinese gov did something bad to Plato or his family? this guy just cant stop posting negative things of china

[plato]

Did chinese gov did something bad to Plato or his family? this guy just cant stop posting negative things of china
People don't buy newspapers for good news. Get used to it.

[Chulo]

Did chinese gov did something bad to Plato or his family? this guy just cant stop posting negative things of chinaThere are plenty of negative things about China in the light right now, its just a discussion about it

[Hot Lips]

Did chinese gov did something bad to Plato or his family? this guy just cant stop posting negative things of china

Did you sign up for an ID just to say that? Plato doesn't make the news, he's just passing it along for discussion. Address the topics.

[Chimera]

Did chinese gov did something bad to Plato or his family? this guy just cant stop posting negative things of china

Do you think this thread is about the delicious chinese food and brilliant invention of pastas from China or about something deeper, more serious, worrying than that?

[LazerLordz]

I really doubt this statement.
If many overseas Chinese are pretty disgusted at the China's government treatment of Tibet, why there are so many Chinese in US and Europe to protest?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132705

Have you ever considered the fact that those might be 1st generation immigrants who still possess a provinicial attitude or students whose parents and families are in the ruling echelon? There's always "organised" opposition to think of.

I know for a fact that many of my mates in Singapore, Malaysia and Australia abhor the high-handedness of the CCP. Just sharing that I've not personally met another overseas Chinese that I know who's in keen support of the CCP's actions.

Perhaps we're all Singaporeans, Malaysians and Australians first and foremost..and ethnicity second.

[LazerLordz]

I am surprised how many Americans of Chinese decent who have never been to the PRC and don't speak Mandarin are willing to pick up and wave the red flag of nationalism. I guess it makes them more comfortable in their own skin or something.

I cannot tell you how many people the past few weeks I have had to tell that Tibet has not always been part of China.

Chappies just want to yell and wave flags for the sake of a mob thrill..

Idiotic overseas Chinese who blindly support China should jolly well go there and live, even better, live in Tibet for a year before opening their fat mouths.

There's a distinction between rational patriotism and blind nationalism.

[Ordie]

Did chinese gov did something bad to Plato or his family? this guy just cant stop posting negative things of china

He's posting whatever he thinks is right for China.

[Ordie]

One guy said he did not care about human rights and wanted the CCP to kill or lock up all the monks in Tibet. Another guy said :"Yeah, let the west cry about it, what are they gona do? Nothing!"

Perhaps they should read this, because one day they may find themselves in a dire situation.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Rev. Friedrich Gustav Niemöller a prominent German anti-Nazi and Lutheran Pastor

[Chimera]

Perhaps they should read this, because one day they may find themselves in a dire situation.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Rev. Friedrich Gustav Niemöller a prominent German anti-Nazi and Lutheran Pastor

Amen on that one.

[Xingbake]

Did you sign up for an ID just to say that? Plato doesn't make the news, he's just passing it along for discussion. Address the topics.
But apparently he is a very strong anti-china person. Look at all of his posts, they were all China related, of course all negative ones:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/search.php?searchid=1675857&pp=25

[Xingbake]

I was at a Chinese restaurant last week and overheard a group of Chinese students talking about Tibet. They were speaking Chinese. One guy said he did not care about human rights and wanted the CCP to kill or lock up all the monks in Tibet. Another guy said :"Yeah, let the west cry about it, what are they gona do? Nothing!" I really don't think many overseas Chinese are pretty disgusted at the CCP. But, then again NOT all of them support the CCP, either. OK, you heard..... Hahaha.......It seems you are trying very hard to create those stories........

[plato]

OK, you heard..... Hahaha.......It seems you are trying very hard to create those stories........

As long as you use the word "seems".

[Ordie]

But apparently he is a very strong anti-china person. Look at all of his posts, they were all China related, of course all negative ones:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/search.php?searchid=1675857&pp=25

Define Anti-china?

If one were truely anti-China, then he/she would not bother to comment nor care about China.

Overall, many of our critiques are not directed at China nor its people, but the policies of the government.

I think we care about China and its people because the country and people deserves a better future. Therefore I advocate for political reforms needed for its security and most importantly its unity.

[Xingbake]

=Ordie;3193049]Define Anti-china?

Overall, many of our critiques are not directed at China nor its people, but the policies of the government.

If it's true, then just make it clear in the posts.

At least from Plato's posts, regarding the term and tone he used, I can hardly believe his ciritisim is just towards Chinese gov't, not Chinese people.

[plato]

If it's true, then just make it clear in the posts.

At least from Plato's posts, regarding the term and tone he used, I can hardly believe his ciritisim is just towards Chinese gov't, not Chinese people.

For example?

[Ordie]

If it's true, then just make it clear in the posts.

At least from Plato's posts, regarding the term and tone he used, I can hardly believe his ciritisim is just towards Chinese gov't, not Chinese people.

Should we direct our critiques the the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)?

[joypeace]

I went to Carrefour yesterday in Shenzhen central mall. There were some police (seemingly 30-50guys)waiting around the store, in case there is some gathering or something happen. I went there at15:00,while left at20:30(by free bus).no any anti-Carrefour happened.------the police is worried about some bad storm which do not happen yesterday.

I do not agree the anti-Carrefour.

First of all, there is no evidence that Carrefour have relationship with the guys who want to separate China.

Second, given France has hurted someone's feeling of China, there is no relationship with any franch company. One can refuse to buy franch goods or something privately, but publicly anti-Carrefour or anti-France is too over. Some people in China try to communicate with the world while the anti-Carrefour guys think that the world won't listen to China.

I don't know who is right.

[Rudolph]

Perhaps they should read this, because one day they may find themselves in a dire situation.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.

- Rev. Friedrich Gustav Niemöller a prominent German anti-Nazi and Lutheran Pastor

Why does that quote change every time I read it? I don't have a problem with the message, though.

Saw a report today about these protests on local tv. It was ridiculous, the Chinese were interviewed on the street, and they showed the messages on their cellphones they received compelling them to protest. There's just no individuality. Everyone repeated the same phrases. Except for this one poor kid who said he thinks what's bad for this business is bad for China because Chinese work at the stores, and buy & sell there. Wonder what's gonna happen to him later today, seriously.

[Hot Lips]

But apparently he is a very strong anti-china person. Look at all of his posts, they were all China related, of course all negative ones:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/search.php?searchid=1675857&pp=25

Plato may have issues with the Chinese government, but so what. He's here contributing to conversations that are of interest to him. Just look at some of the posts of others which have an "anti-west" flavor, to put it in your generic terms. We even have a few new members that have done nothing but post in China/Tibet threads. Few people argue for both sides of an issue.


If it's true, then just make it clear in the posts.

At least from Plato's posts, regarding the term and tone he used, I can hardly believe his criticism is just toward Chinese gov't, not Chinese people.

When speaking of politics it is usually the government/authorities people are speaking of. I get the impression, however, that some Chinese citizens view any criticism of their government as an attack on them personally. I'm sure fostering this kind of instinctive reaction to even the slightest criticism has served their government well and is likely why certain things are slow to improve.



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[joypeace]

There's just no individuality. Everyone repeated the same phrases. Except for this one poor kid who said he thinks what's bad for this business is bad for China because Chinese work at the stores, and buy & sell there. Wonder what's gonna happen to him later today, seriously.

Thanks for your worry, but take it easy.

I am here now , the debate about this never stop since someone said that Carrefour support for separating China(I do not believe). Some governers and some famous said to public to keep calm and be patriotic in a reasonable manner(one of them is named Bai Yansong, a very famous TV director in CCTV). Of course ,there is someone supporting anti-Carrefour including some actors,I forget.No one worked in media or in gov't encourage people in anti-Carrefour.

with opinion of disgreeing the Carrefour storm, I believe the anti-Carrefour are minority.They may be misleaded and could be educated.

Up to now, there is no big storm for Carrefour in China, especially in big city. I am sure there are some guys not so happy with what the local gov't did in torch relay, including me, but that won't indicate that Chinese will have socalled storm.

Most of us are reasonable.

[Chimera]

Most of us are reasonable.

I really wonder what makes you so "reasonable"..

[joypeace]

I really wonder what makes you so "reasonable"..
i believe you are wondering.

[plato]

Torchbearer invited to visit France again


Torchbearer invited to visit France again
By Zhang Haizhou (China Daily)
Updated: 2008-04-22 06:27

French President Nicholas Sarkozy on Monday invited disabled Chinese
torchbearer Jin Jing - who has become a national celebrity for defending the
Olympic torch from Tibet secessionists during the Paris leg of its relay -
to visit France again "to make up for the pain you have suffered".
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20080422/000802ab4a630977587109.jpg
French Senate President Christian Poncelet greets Jin Jing as he delivers a
letter of invitation from French President Nicholas Sarkozy to the
wheelchair fencer in Shanghai Monday. [China Daily]
French Senate President Christian Poncelet greets Jin Jing as he delivers a
letter of invitation from French President Nicholas Sarkozy to the
wheelchair fencer in Shanghai Monday. [China Daily]

Sarkozy's invitation was delivered in a letter presented to Jin by French
Senate President Christian Poncelet soon after he arrived in Shanghai for a
week-long visit to China.

"I would like to express to you my shock at the way you were attacked in
Paris on April 7 when you were holding the Olympic flame. You showed
outstanding courage, which honors you, and your country," Sarkozy was quoted
as saying in the letter.

"To make up for the pain you have suffered, I sincerely invite you to France
in the near future as my friend and a friend of the French people."

Jin has been dubbed the "Smiling Angel in a Wheelchair" after protecting the
torch while a Tibetan separatist tried to wrest it from her during the
relay in the French capital.

Related readings:
Sarkozy's sympathy note to torchbearer Jin conveyed
Ambassador 'felt hurt' by disruption
Chinese Ambassador to UK: If the West could listen attentively to China
Attacks on torch anger Chinese younger generation
Golden girl lifts a nation
Sarkozy said he once again expresses "strong condemnation of such despicable
action".

"What happened in Paris has engendered a feeling of bitterness in your
country. I want to assure you that the incidents that were brought about by
a few people on that sad day don't reflect the feelings of my fellow
countrymen for the Chinese people," the letter says.

The message came at a time when anti-France sentiment is running high among
the Chinese after the torch's travails in Paris.

Some have called for a boycott of retail giant Carrefour in response to
media reports that it supports the Dalai group.

In an interview published in Journal du Dimanche, Carrefour Chief Executive
Jose Luis Duran denied the allegation and said his company was "taking the
situation very seriously".

Sarkozy's letter to Jin suggests France is returning to rationality, Chinese
analysts said.

"Sarkozy needs to weigh the stability of the strategic partnership between
the two countries," said Professor Zhao Junjie at the Chinese Academy of
Social Sciences, adding Chinese people's resentment appeared to have found
resonance with the French leader.

He also called on the Chinese to be rational when expressing anger toward
France.

"They should bear in mind that jeopardizing relations with France is not in
our national interest," Zhao said.

More French officials will seek to soothe Chinese sentiment soon.

Former prime minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin will arrive tomorrow to meet
Premier Wen Jiabao, and Sarkozy's diplomatic adviser Jean-David Levitte will
come to China at the end of the week.

[J-10]

French Senate President Christian Poncelet greets Jin Jing as he delivers a letter of invitation from French President Nicholas Sarkozy to the wheelchair fencer in Shanghai Monday.

The full text of the letter: (in French) http://2008.sina.com.cn/torch2008/hd/other/2008-04-21/200972604.shtml


I think it's time to stop boycotting Carrefour.p-)

[plato]

http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/22/attack_on_an_american_volunteer.php#more


April 22, 2008

Attack on an American volunteer by anti-Carrefour mob in Zhuzhou, Hunan: UPDATED


Editor's note: This post has been updated. Details after the jump.

Here's an email we received from a volunteer teacher from an Ivy League university volunteer programme in Hunan Province (who shall remain unnamed to protect the identities of everyone involved) — a chilling account of an attack on his colleague by an anti-Carrefour mob in Zhuzhou. The matter has been brought to the attention of the US Embassy in Beijing and should serve as a warning to all Caucasian readers, particularly those living in second-tier cities, to avoid large crowd gatherings at all costs during these crazy, crazy times. Our foreign correspondent friends in Shanghai and Beijing have been receiving death threats on their mobile phones and through their faxes, but clearly, this is something else:
Last night [Editor's note: Sunday, Apr 20] around 7pm my friend was attacked by a mob of about 150 people outside the Carrefour in Zhuzhou, Hunan (near his placement site). When leaving Carrefour some of the crowd started shouting at him and he tried to say he didn't have anything to do with the Olympics, but 3 men started to push him and then he was hit in the back of the head at least 3 times. He started to run, and the mob chased him. He jumped into a cab, but the mob surrounded the car and started shaking and rocking it. The cab driver was shouting at him to get out. Then they started hitting the car. The crowd was shouting "kill him! kill the Frenchman." He called the Field Director while in the back of the car. The cab driver abandon the car when he saw police coming. Two police made there way though the mob and managed to drive the cab away. The Field Director alerted [a certain public official]. The police got him another cab and he took it from Zhuzhou to the field director's home in Changsha. He spending the night here in Changsha and is likely leaving China as soon as possible.
[My colleague] is only 22, an American (not French), and a volunteer teacher. He graduated from [university] less than 10 months ago. If he can be attacked anyone can be. The situation in central china is becoming much worse very quickly. He has been cut up pretty badly by the glass and the people trying to grab him.
I didn't think the situation and protests were anything to worry about before now, but if the mob had gotten him outside of the cab he could have easily been killed.
Foreigners need to be more aware that this is a real danger and MUCH more careful around the protests here in central china.
Im also sending this letter to the embassy.
People need to be more much careful.

The following letter was sent by the Field Director of the programme, to all their volunteers in China:

Dear Volunteers, It goes without saying that right now is a very sensitive time in China. I wrote to you last week to avoid talking about the three 'T's' and other controversial topics in China now.
By now, you've probably all heard about what happened last night, but before I go into details, I'm going to tell you TO AVOID PROTESTS AND PLACES WHERE PROTESTS ARE BEING HELD. This is extremely important for your own personal safety. I spoke with the US Embassy in Beijing this morning, and the officer that I spoke with told me that there have been cases in the past of protesters in China targeting innocent foreign bystanders. Despite what you may or may not think, just by going to Carrefour, you're making a statement to say that you don't agree with the protesters, and they can very well take that to mean that you don't agree with China. From here on out, there is no need to put yourself into this situation. Also, if you feel that you want to go ahead and become involved in protests of a political nature, keep in mind that you're directly violating the Conditions of Participation that you signed at the beginning of the year, specifically by getting involved in political events. We'll call you all individually, so if you have any more questions, please feel free to ask. We're just trying to make sure that everyone is and feels safe and that people are not put into avoidable situations.
Last night, a Zhuzhou volunteer walked into Carrefour despite the fact that there was a sizable protest going on outside. This volunteer chose not to become verbally or physically involved in the protest, but like I said before, choosing to shop at Carrefour while protests are going on is making a statement in and of itself. When the volunteer finished shopping and tried to leave the store, the protesters did not let him leave at first and a mob mentality quickly ensued. The volunteer was forced to run through the crowd to safety while a couple people threw punches at him and others were chanting and verbally threatening him. The volunteer managed to jump into a taxi and close the door, but the mob surrounded the taxi, trying to break in, tip the taxi over, and smash the windows. The police were finally able to get the volunteer to a safe place and the situation was settled, for the time being.
This situation is no joke at all. The volunteer told me that he felt extremely unsafe, and he even feared for his life at points. When I spoke with the US Embassy about this (which I suggest everyone sign up for, http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn/ipr.html), they said that this incident was the first violent one in recent news involving an American citizen. However, they said that they didn't know if it would be the last and that they urged me to talk with you all about how important it is to avoid Carrefour and protests. [Another colleague] also gave the same advice. From here on out, there is no reason that any of you should be going to Carrefour or be involved in any sort of protests. If you find yourself in an uncomfortable situation, or if you see a large group of protesters and mobs of people, avoid the situation entirely. Also, please keep close communication with your fellow volunteers, so that in case you come across a place that you feel is not safe, let others know about it so they can avoid it.
Once again, [we] will call every one of you individually and talk about this more. Please be respectful of our advice, and try not to put yourself into a potentially dangerous situation.
Take care

Editor's Note: Above picture is of Carrefour in Hefei (from ESWN (http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200804b.brief.htm)) and not from Carrefour Zhuzhou. All names and references to the organisation in question have been removed to protect all involved.

UPDATE: The volunteer teacher who informed us of the above incident has just sent us another email, clarifying that the email he originally sent us was written at 3am, only a few hours after the incident happened, and thus "factually inaccurate in many ways". Here's more:
One i know of is the line "The situation in central china is becoming much worse very quickly. He has been cut up pretty badly by the glass and the people trying to grab him."
i did not see his injuries myself and it was only from a secondary source and while his hands were cut and bruised, it does not seem nearly as bad as my email to the consul indicated. regardless the situation is still important.
My concern is that the factual inaccuracies may reflect poorly on the validity of the event itself, and i should have spoken more generally, as is the tone of the description in the later official bulletin.

We think the whole incident is no less shocking, and our original word of caution to readers still stands: Stay away from large crowd gatherings.

[e_e]

Have you ever considered the fact that those might be 1st generation immigrants who still possess a provinicial attitude or students whose parents and families are in the ruling echelon? There's always "organised" opposition to think of.

I know for a fact that many of my mates in Singapore, Malaysia and Australia abhor the high-handedness of the CCP. Just sharing that I've not personally met another overseas Chinese that I know who's in keen support of the CCP's actions.

Perhaps we're all Singaporeans, Malaysians and Australians first and foremost..and ethnicity second.

Why do you try to link this anti Tibet-independence and anti westen media protest to supporting CCP?

[J-10]

http://img.iht.com/images/2008/04/21/france21_550.jpg
Senate President Christian Poncelet of France, left, kisses the hand of Jin Jing, the Chinese athlete who protected the Olympic flame from protesters in Paris, after presenting her a letter from President Nicolas Sarkozy in Shanghai on Monday. (Agence France-Presse)

Paris mounts diplomatic charm offensive to mollify China
By Katrin Bennhold Published: April 21, 2008

PARIS: After a wave of anti-French protests in China, President Nicolas Sarkozy of France is sending three top officials there this week in a hastily assembled diplomatic charm offensive to limit the political and economic fallout from the controversy surrounding the preparations for the Olympic Games.

Thousands of protesters massed in front of Chinese outlets of the French supermarket chain Carrefour over the weekend, demonstrating against what they saw as France's support for pro-Tibet agitators and calling for a boycott of French goods.

France has become the main focus of a string of fiercely nationalistic protests in China, notably after footage of a 27-year-old Chinese athlete in a wheelchair protecting the Olympic torch from protesters as it passed through Paris this month turned her into a national hero and talk show star.

The dispute could herald a new chapter in relations between the West and China, the world's leading emerging economic powerhouse, analysts said. By allowing protests to take place and Web sites to call for a boycott in its tightly controlled state, the leadership in Beijing is for the first time flexing its economic muscle.

"China's self-confidence is growing even faster than its GDP," said Eberhard Sandschneider, a China expert and director of the research institute at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin. "We're entering a new phase in Western-Chinese relations. The Chinese are beginning to use their economic power as a lever."

France's swift response suggests that the message has been heard. In addition to sending the three officials, Sarkozy met for an hour Friday in Paris with Zhao Jinjun, a special envoy of President Hu Jintao of China.

The president of the French Senate, Christian Poncelet, arrived in Shanghai on Monday, carrying a letter from Sarkozy that apologized for the events during the torch relay and invited Jin Jing, the disabled Chinese athlete who fended off pro-Tibetan activists during the torch relay, to visit Paris.

On Thursday, a former prime minister, Jean-Pierre Raffarin, is to arrive, and Friday it will be the turn of Sarkozy's chief diplomatic adviser, Jean-David Levitte, to reassure the Chinese leadership that France has no intention of straining relations.

Since China's clampdown on Tibetan protests in Lhasa, the capital, and nearby regions last month, Western governments have come under increasing pressure to use the Olympic Games as a lever to extract concessions from Beijing on human rights and Tibet. José Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission, the executive arm of the European Union, will take up the issue when he visits Beijing on Thursday, a spokesman said Monday.

But with trade between the European Union and China now worth nearly €200 billion, or $320 billion, a year, politicians are painfully aware of what is at stake.

The anti-French demonstrations were the most aggressive venting of nationalist fury since a dispute with Japan over history textbooks in 2005. On Saturday, demonstrators painted swastikas on French flags and carried banners calling Jeanne d'Arc a "prostitute" and Napoleon a "pervert."

For the past week, thousands of text messages have called for a boycott of French products, and at least one anti-Carrefour Web site has been created, urging Chinese customers to stay away from its stores.

Sarkozy has said he will attend the opening ceremony of the Olympic Games in August in Beijing only if China begins an official dialogue with the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader. China has refused.

On Monday, the president's office stressed that this condition remained in effect.

"It is one of the elements that will determine whether the president attends the opening ceremony," said Franck Louvrier, Sarkozy's director of communications.

But Louvrier acknowledged that it was in France's interest to bring the protests in China to a swift end.

French officials played down the risks of a Chinese boycott of French goods, arguing that Beijing depended more on French consumers than France depended on Chinese consumers. China's exports to France are worth four times as much as French exports to China.

But the concern in the business community was plain. The chief executive of Carrefour, José Luis Durán, told the weekly newspaper Le Journal du Dimanche that China was of "strategic importance" to his company. Carrefour has 112 hypermarkets and more than two million customers in China.

Bernard Arnault, the chairman of LVMH Moët Hennessy-Louis Vuitton, the French luxury goods group, which has been the target of boycott calls, said last week that France should stop trying to teach China lessons.

"I understand why the Chinese population could be affected by the attacks against its country," Arnault said in an interview with Le Figaro. "It may be shocking to see what's happening in Tibet, but it's equally shocking to see China being attacked."

Some French commentators said the fact that "Made in China" goods were becoming ever more common may play a role in the popular anti-Chinese outcry over Tibet and may reflect a broader fear about China's growth and what is perceived by some as the West's relative demise.

"Under the noble defense of our 'universal values,' sometimes a racist stench hides that is quite contrary to the principles we pretend to incarnate," Le Figaro wrote in an editorial Monday. The pro-Tibetan mobilization "is that much stronger because it is fed by a fear of 'Made in China.' "

The European Union's trade deficit with China has been growing rapidly, and China is now considered the biggest threat in all EU countries except Spain, according to David Shambaugh, director of the China Policy Program at George Washington University, and concerns about the migration of jobs to China is on the rise.

But if positive perceptions of China have plummeted across Europe, the political response has not always been the same.

France's situation contrasts with that of Germany, which has the largest economy in Europe and has even more business at stake in China. Chancellor Angela Merkel drew Chinese ire and initially a scaling back of both business and political contacts after she received the Dalai Lama in her Berlin office last autumn.

Now, however, analysts say that Merkel looks smart. She made clear her view on human rights in China, and in a sense that has helped divert any popular anger now toward German businesses dealing with China. Volkswagen, for instance, is one of the major sponsors of the Beijing Olympic Games.

Merkel has made clear she will not go to the Olympic Games, but she is expecting to visit China shortly thereafter.

Meanwhile, Foreign Minister Frank Walter Steinmeier of Germany, a Social Democrat, apparently also moved swiftly to avert any awkwardness. He let it be known that he was on the phone with his Chinese counterpart for a full hour the day after the protests in Lhasa. The contents of that conversation have not been disclosed.

Steinmeier, who was chief of staff when Merkel's predecessor, Gerhard Schröder, was chancellor, deflected criticism that he was pushing business interests with China rather than addressing human rights concerns by initiating a program to enroll hundreds of Chinese students to study law in Germany.

[DS73]

I can tell you for count that no governvent intereference in this matter,most are students ,this is the way to express unsatisfication about french government, and there are no chaos.

Lol. Such things can never happen. Plain impossible.

[Xingbake]

Lol. Such things can never happen. Plain impossible.Lol. Such things can ever happen. Plain possible.

[Winger]

Chappies just want to yell and wave flags for the sake of a mob thrill..

Idiotic overseas Chinese who blindly support China should jolly well go there and live, even better, live in Tibet for a year before opening their fat mouths.

There's a distinction between rational patriotism and blind nationalism.

x2. What are they doing in France if they love China so much?

[DS73]

Lol. Such things can ever happen. Plain possible.

I believe you're going to present some examples of student manifestations ended without chaos. Some gatherings with 'no government interference' please. (any country).

[ViktorNavorski]

I think it's time to stop boycotting Carrefour.p-)Oh, the irony... (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89839467)

Paralympic fencer Jin Jing, meanwhile, was hailed a national hero for defending the Olympic flame against protesters in Paris, only to be cursed as a turncoat when she refused to support a boycott of the French retail store Carrefour. Many Chinese have been dismayed by the irrationality of the Carrefour boycott, in light of the fact that it is a Sino-French joint venture that employs mostly Chinese people and sells mostly Chinese products.

[J-10]

Oh, the irony... (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89839467)

Paralympic fencer Jin Jing, meanwhile, was hailed a national hero for defending the Olympic flame against protesters in Paris, only to be cursed as a turncoat when she refused to support a boycott of the French retail store Carrefour. Many Chinese have been dismayed by the irrationality of the Carrefour boycott, in light of the fact that it is a Sino-French joint venture that employs mostly Chinese people and sells mostly Chinese products.

It's extreme saying from some forums. At least I see Carrefour Chains in Beijing are crowding for shopping as usual.

[joypeace]

There's another world apart from China, it's called the rest or the World.
should be the rest of the world, friend.

[ren0312]

should be the rest of the world, friend.

Grammar Nazi.p-)

[Atlantic Friend]

Poor Carrefour guys ! Last time it was "First Iraq, then France" American über-Patriots who wanted to boycott them (and even boycott Target because it was THOUGHT to be linked with Carrefour), now it's the "Death to Foreigners" Super-Han crowd.