Russian soldiers with Chechen prisoners.

[Kentaurus]

Who are the real terrorists here? This kind of terror will only spawn more terror in return from the Chechens. And you wonder why they still fight the Russians. Oh yeah, they are all muslims and supporters of Bin Laden, so every atrocity is allowed against them:

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2095/m2095011.rm

(RealMedia video: use RealPlayer or Real Alternative)

P.S.: The trucks carry the logo of the special forces of the Russian ministry of the interior.

[Kentaurus]

"A war that doesn't exist":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/chechnya/Story/0,2763,1213209,00.html

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

I'm sure you can find the same type of articles for any war/conflict thats going on at the moment right now. Doesnt nessecarily mean they are true or not....

[2RHPZ]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15201&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Here is a topic which I have posted weeks ago. I think that your link let probably to to this same video (I didn´t download your one yet ... of course, it doesn´t matter). I agree with your comment on this, Kentaurus. War in Chechnya is not real war on terror how Russian officials and mostly president Putin put recently.

[Abbyy]

War in Chechnya is not real war on terror how Russian officials and mostly president Putin put recently.

Correction: it is not "pure" war on terror. A lot of different causes for this war. You can find 16 OBr SpN's huge topic about conflict in Chechnya. He gave good explanation about this.

In my opinion war in Chechnya is war on terror to absolutely the same percentage as war in Iraq.

[2RHPZ]

War in Chechnya is not real war on terror how Russian officials and mostly president Putin put recently.

Correction: it is not "pure" war on terror. A lot of different causes for this war. You can find 16 OBr SpN's huge topic about conflict in Chechnya. He gave good explanation about this.

In my opinion war in Chechnya is war on terror to absolutely the same percentage as war in Iraq.

OK, no flames. The last one from me: I admit that it is war against terrorists - but not a war on terror. You cannot compare this conflict to Iraq, I am sorry. There is completely different background.

[Marmot1]

Yes it is war with terrorists or to be more correct it is war betwen terrorists...

[mack pl]

Yes it is war with terrorists or to be more correct it is war betwen terrorists...

And you dont know why Permskii want fuk you ;)

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Yes it is war with terrorists or to be more correct it is war betwen terrorists... :cantbeli:

I can admitt that this one isnt exactly a fair / clean fight, given the past history between the two what can you expect. There is valid reasons for going into chechnya (read obr's posts), and there is muslim extermist / terrorists there. They have been linked to Al-Queda, and share information / tactics between the two. (there was a post on it awhile ago but i forget what it was called)

[American Patriot]

fuk fuk mofugga terrorist supporter fuk

[Kentaurus]

Here is a topic which I have posted weeks ago. I think that your link let probably to to this same video (I didn´t download your one yet ... of course, it doesn´t matter).

Yeah, same video. Sorry for the dupe. My link isn't zipped tho.

[GazB]

War in Chechnya is not real war on terror how Russian officials and mostly president Putin put recently.

Of course not... terrorism didn't exist before 11/9 after all.

You can't compare this with Iraq... Iraq was all about oil supplies and an Iraqi government that didn't do what the US told it to do when it told it to do it. It attacked neighbours that the US was allied to and didn't appologise for that.

On the other hand the war in Chechnia was all about oil supplies and a Chechen government that didn't do what the Russian government told it to do when it told it to do it. It also attacked its neighbours that were part of Russia and didn't appologise for that.

Completely different. Iraq was no physical threat to the US, not then, not now and not for the foreseeable future. The Chechens on the other hand have been a threat to Russian nationals for centuries.

[AFG]

War in Chechnya is not real war on terror how Russian officials and mostly president Putin put recently.

Of course not... terrorism didn't exist before 11/9 after all.

You can't compare this with Iraq... Iraq was all about oil supplies and an Iraqi government that didn't do what the US told it to do when it told it to do it. It attacked neighbours that the US was allied to and didn't appologise for that.

On the other hand the war in Chechnia was all about oil supplies and a Chechen government that didn't do what the Russian government told it to do when it told it to do it. It also attacked its neighbours that were part of Russia and didn't appologise for that.

Completely different. Iraq was no physical threat to the US, not then, not now and not for the foreseeable future. The Chechens on the other hand have been a threat to Russian nationals for centuries.


???

[OB Kenobi]

Yes it is war with terrorists or to be more correct it is war betwen terrorists...

The CIA and Al Qaeda?

[Marmot1]

Yes it is war with terrorists or to be more correct it is war betwen terrorists...

The CIA and Al Qaeda?

No betwen chechens and russians both sides use terror tactics...





The Chechens on the other hand have been a threat to Russian nationals for centuries.
??? Who was a threat for who??? :cantbeli:

Actualy chechens started to use al-qaida support since no one wanted to help them. USA didn't had interest in it nor China... it if were 5 years earlier (mid 80's) I can bet my balls that USA would be involved on chechen side just like it was involved in afghanistan and everywhere where they had an oportunity to hurt SU indirectly... it's all about politics...

[2RHPZ]

Yes it is war with terrorists or to be more correct it is war betwen terrorists...

The CIA and Al Qaeda?

No betwen chechens and russians both sides use terror tactics...





The Chechens on the other hand have been a threat to Russian nationals for centuries.
??? Who was a threat for who??? :cantbeli:

Actualy chechens started to use al-qaida support since no one wanted to help them. USA didn't had interest in it nor China... it if were 5 years earlier (mid 80's) I can bet my balls that USA would be involved on chechen side just like it was involved in afghanistan and everywhere where they had an oportunity to hurt SU indirectly... it's all about politics...

;) woot

[bloddyaxe]

. it if were 5 years earlier (mid 80's) I can bet my balls that USA would be involved on chechen side just like it was involved in afghanistan and everywhere where they had an oportunity to hurt SU indirectly... it's all about politics...


Except it would have been rather impossible to supply the rebels through hundreds of kilometres of Soviet territory...

[Robert_Mo]

It is only a small evidence on the horiible crimes that russian army and police commited in chechenya, as they comitted in every corner of the world they went!

[tony6]

Here we go again...
(flames, flames everywhere!)

[anonymous individual]

I would say the Russian side is more about the abuse of power, rather calling it terrorism. Having said that, both sides use the same level of brutality in achieving their course.

[Robert_Mo]

I would say the Russian side is more about the abuse of power, rather calling it terrorism. Having said that, both sides use the same level of brutality in achieving their course.

Unfortunately, studyng the russian story, you can easily understand their tendence to shade blow, no matter, russian or non russian.
Is the nation with the greatest number of death by one own dictaturship, and that caused more death to other nations.

[anonymous individual]

I would say the Russian side is more about the abuse of power, rather calling it terrorism. Having said that, both sides use the same level of brutality in achieving their course.

Unfortunately, studyng the russian story, you can easily understand their tendence to shade blow, no matter, russian or non russian.
Is the nation with the greatest number of death by one own dictaturship, and that caused more death to other nations.

Can you go further explaning that? I want to read that you have to offer in a friendly way.

By the way, the last sentence is icomplete.

[Robert_Mo]

Russians have the tendence to shade blood!
Russian or non russian!
So, in every war they behave as criminals.
Against their own people and again the enemy!
During WWII, they were killed more soviets by the policy of soviet leaders than from invader.
No respect for human life!
Is it clear?

[anonymous individual]

I agree. Even Mao from China killed more Chinese than the Japanese.

[RAJPUT22]

I read it that most russian soldiers don't like to take prisoners here is an excerpt on the internet:
"I remember a Chechen female sniper. We just tore her apart with two armored personnel carriers, having tied her ankles with steel cables. There was a lot of blood, but the boys needed it."

"The main thing is to have them die slowly. You don't want them to die fast, because a fast death is an easy death." "The summary executions don't just take place against suspected fighters. One 33-year-old army officer recounted how he drowned a family of five--four women and a middle-aged man--in their own well."
Personally i do appreciate this policy the russian taxpayers money could be used more efficiently hope the indian army learns from them.

[Mr.K]

This is no HRW or Amnesty, but militaryphotos.net.
There are no fair or easy wars.

Personal anectode from today:
Since i get to work with the public we made a bet on some dudes name today, i guessed right , he was turkish, so my coworkers explains my knowelege due to the fact that i'm Russian (not a very pertinent explanation...). So the turkish dude says: well i'm not exactly turkish but something something (some ethnic group). And i say that i never heard of it. He continues "You know, i'm something something". I reply, that i never knew anything of that. So he goes "Well you know the chechens?" I go: yeah... His voice trembles a bit :Well i'm like the chechens, but I'M NOT A CHECHEN!!
Made me laugh.

[Switek]

RAJPUT22, what is a sense to re-open ancient threads? Brutality and cruelty of both sides in Chechen Wars is widely known...

[koozya]

This is no HRW or Amnesty, but militaryphotos.net.
There are no fair or easy wars.

Personal anectode from today:
Since i get to work with the public we made a bet on some dudes name today, i guessed right , he was turkish, so my coworkers explains my knowelege due to the fact that i'm Russian (not a very pertinent explanation...). So the turkish dude says: well i'm not exactly turkish but something something (some ethnic group). And i say that i never heard of it. He continues "You know, i'm something something". I reply, that i never knew anything of that. So he goes "Well you know the chechens?" I go: yeah... His voice trembles a bit :Well i'm like the chechens, but I'M NOT A CHECHEN!!
Made me laugh.

lol funny stuff

[RAJPUT22]

My dear Switek since u r from poland u might have a soft corner for the chechens as polish always lament on the so-called persecution russian made them suffer.
"RAJPUT22, what is a sense to re-open ancient threads? Brutality and cruelty of both sides in Chechen Wars is widely known"
Should one day poland suffer the same problems that russia and india have with muslim extremist your point of view might change.May god forbids this.
Russia brutality is the result of the chechen savage combat methods and why not chechenya is russian territory they have the right to defend themselves.My position is clear chechen don't deserve anything after beslan siege according to me.
Do watch the Doc CHILDREN OF BESLAN and then u tell me:)

[Switek]

My dear Switek since u r from poland u might have a soft corner for the chechens as polish always lament on the so-called persecution russian made them suffer.
"RAJPUT22, what is a sense to re-open ancient threads? Brutality and cruelty of both sides in Chechen Wars is widely known"
Should one day poland suffer the same problems that russia and india have with muslim extremist your point of view might change.May god forbids this.
Russia brutality is the result of the chechen savage combat methods and why not chechenya is russian territory they have the right to defend themselves.My position is clear chechen don't deserve anything after beslan siege according to me.
Do watch the Doc CHILDREN OF BESLAN and then u tell me:)

so you put an equall mark between terrorist and those who should protect citizens against them... :roll:

[Stu B]

cannot compare this conflict to Iraq, I am sorry. There is completely different background.
The difference is Russia fought a war in Chechyna to maintain the terrartorial integrety of its country, the US & Britain invaded a soveriegn nation thousands of miles away for geo-strategic/political reasons. In both cases the non state groups involved used terrorist tactics and in both cases atrocities have been commited as is the case in all conflicts of this type.

[Switek]

EDIT: Could you mods, close this thread?

[MZKT]

Unfortunately, studyng the russian story, you can easily understand their tendence to shade blow, no matter, russian or non russian.
Is the nation with the greatest number of death by one own dictaturship, and that caused more death to other nations.

Infact Chinese caused more death to own population (50mln).
Japan (20 Mln chinese), USA (in vietnam alone more then russians in Afghanistan and eastern europe together), Britain (countless colonial wars) and not to forget Germany caused each more death to foreign nations.

The stories about cruel russians killing peaceful islamic freedom fighters were already heard in the 80s and now it's those critics who do the killing, after "freedom fighters" showed their appreciation for westerrn military help on 9-11.

Chechens were granted independence two times. Something Spain never granted to Baskians, nor Brits to northern Ireland. Both times chechens weren't satisfied with independence and immediatly started raided border villages in Ingushetia, Dagestan, Ossetia and Kabardino-Balkaria murdering thousands russian citizens. Israel when facing a smiliar situation started a war after two of it's citizens were kidnapped. Traitorous Yelzin, supported by the west, tolerated chechen terrorism until the victims exceeded ten thousands.

And anyway,considering that most europeans + USA are currently occupying a country which nor crossed their borders nor killed their citizens, they have hardly any right to critisize a country which was attacked and forced to stop chechen raids on peaceful caucasian nations.

[AMD]

Hey Poland fellas, why dont you critisize say turks for wiping out kurds. Or yankees for kicking iraqi butts. What are you, chechen's friend #1, or just plain russophobic? Mind your own fvcking business will ya.