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04-21-2008, 08:20 PM
Azerbaijan blocks Russian shipment for Iranian nuclear plant

BAKU, Azerbaijan - Azerbaijan halted a Russian shipment of equipment intended for Iran's Bushehr nuclear power plant, demanding more information for fear of violating United Nations sanctions, officials said Monday.

The Russian state-run company Atomstroiexport said one or two trucks carrying the equipment were stopped two weeks ago at the town of Astara, on the Azerbaijani-Iranian border.

Agency spokeswoman Irina Yesipova said officials were holding talks with both Azerbaijan and Iran. There was no immediate comment from Iranian officials.

Iran is paying Russia more than $1 billion to build the light-water reactor.

Construction has been held up in recent months by disputes between Tehran and Moscow over payments and a schedule for shipping nuclear fuel.

Russia delivered the final shipment of uranium fuel in January, and Tehran has said it was hoping the plant would begin operations by summer.

The United States initially opposed Russia's building Bushehr, but later softened its position after Iran agreed to return spent nuclear fuel to Russia to ensure it does not extract plutonium from it that could be used to make atomic bombs.

Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry spokesman Khazar Ibragim said his country was seeking more information about the shipment due to fears that it might violate any of the three sets of UN Security Council sanctions imposed because of suspicions Iran is seeking to develop atomic weapons.

"Considering the sensitivity of the situation, we need to know all the details in order to know whether the shipment falls under UN sanctions," he said.

The United States and its western allies agreed to drop any reference to Bushehr in the sanctions resolutions passed by the UN Security Council as a result of Russian pressure. Russia says the plant's contract is in line with all international agreements aimed at preventing nuclear weapons proliferation.

Yesipova said the shipment contained "heat-isolating equipment" essential to the plant's operation and that the holdup was not likely to delay the start-up of the plant, which Russia is building in the southern Iranian port city of Bushehr.

She could not give any further details about the precise nature of the equipment.

The United States and Russia have said the supply of Russian nuclear fuel means Iran has no need to continue its own uranium enrichment program, a process that can provide fuel for a reactor or fissile material for a bomb.

Iran has insisted it will continue enriching uranium, saying it needs to provide fuel to another 300-megawatt light-water reactor it is building.

Doubts remain about Iran's intentions. The European Union last week asked Iran to open its secretive program to greater international scrutiny by joining a treaty that would let the United States and other countries review Bushehr's safety.

Source.... (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/04/21/5350851-ap.html)

The Dane
04-21-2008, 08:25 PM
Proberly nothing wrong.
But better safe than sorry.
Thanks to Azerbaijan for their concern.:)

SOG
04-22-2008, 08:02 PM
I've always wondered with all this talk of Iran building or not building nuclear facilities for a nuclear missile, what about instead of building a missile, a dirty bomb? Could nuclear materials be used to manufacture such a device and if so how much nuclear materials would be needed?

I mean when it comes down to it Iran could work on an expensive nuclear project, protecting it, transport, huge facilities or they simply could make a small bomb transportable in a case or such. I think that would be a more logical approach for smuggling, materials needed etc. I'm not talking a big nuclear bomb but simply an explosive compound used correctly to distribute toxic materials without evaporating them. (Like the first Trade Center attack)

Rictor
04-22-2008, 09:34 PM
Yeah, but so could any country. Enough money and a few connections can get you enough nuclear material, or nuclear waste, to make such a device. That's a presumption of guilt which is impossible to disprove.

You don't build a $1,000,000,000 nuclear reactor, over a period of many years, just because you want a dirty bomb or two. All the vast amounts of infrastructure needed to develop a decent nuclear program would be in vain if their ultimate goal was simply to have a nice little radioactive explosion in Tel Aviv. It just doesn't make sense.

TR1
04-22-2008, 09:36 PM
Yeah, but so could any country. Enough money and a few connections can get you enough nuclear material, or nuclear waste, to make such a device. That's a presumption of guilt which is impossible to disprove.

You don't build a $1,000,000,000 nuclear reactor, over a period of many years, just because you want a dirty bomb or two. All the vast amounts of infrastructure needed to develop a decent nuclear program would be in vain if their ultimate goal was simply to have a nice little radioactive explosion in Tel Aviv. It just doesn't make sense.
You hate freedom.

The Dane
04-22-2008, 09:42 PM
You hate freedom.

Do you know what that is?

TR1
04-22-2008, 09:43 PM
Enough idiocy from you, please. And no I don't know freedom. THose years in Russia have turned me into a typical brainwashed Stalinist.

The Dane
04-22-2008, 09:46 PM
I didn't say that.

Excalibur
04-24-2008, 08:08 AM
I believe russians will find other way around to supply nukes and weapons to their closest ally (for now)

AlexMartin2
04-24-2008, 08:14 AM
I believe russians will find other way around to supply nukes and weapons to their closest ally (for now)

Belorussia? :)

Snoshi
04-24-2008, 08:45 AM
I believe russians will find other way around to supply nukes and weapons to their closest ally (for now)

Only that Iran is not Russian ally.

Alexandr
04-24-2008, 09:08 AM
edit - Nevermind i screwed - too much buttons on keyboard =)

Snoshi
04-24-2008, 09:09 AM
If you look closer on missle launch on this video- you will notice - no drop of missle before launch,last time Soviet MIGs did it in 1960s ,since begining of 1970s - missile dropping 1.5-2 metres belove wing,and only after that launching.

I belive that this is the wrong topic :)

Alexandr
04-24-2008, 09:10 AM
edit - sorry wrong thread

Excalibur
04-24-2008, 09:59 AM
Only that Iran is not Russian ally.

Depends on how you define "ally".
They are allies as much as they have common interest to keep tension mid east and push oil/gas prices up. Russians view Iran as a major obstacle to US and all other western countries to control Gulf and oil prices.
Russia is major weapon supplier of Iran & Company. so what else you call ally ?

Snoshi
04-24-2008, 04:47 PM
According to a report this week, Iran is holding Moscow responsible for the halt in Azerbaijan by authorities there of a Russian shipment of nuclear equipment to Iran.

The report quoted an unnamed Iranian official as saying that the case of the halt of the shipment for Iran's nuclear power plant in the southern port of Bushehr is the responsibility of the Russian contractor in the deal. (AP)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3535686,00.html

~Berdan
04-24-2008, 06:14 PM
Interesting...Ilxam Eliev tries to sleep with 2 partners(or perhaps even more).He said couple of times to US news channels that he will not interfere if US goes to war with Iran,and in fact has little to do with all this mess.
Yet,Us administration expressed interest many times in Azerbaijan,both economic (pipe line Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan mainly),and military.There is secret military presence of UStroops in Azerbaijan,most probably there are numbers of recon posts on the border of Azerbaijan-Iran.

Thought Iran-Azerbaijan have pretty good relationships,and many economical ventures there is little grudge,as there are rumors Iran helped Armenia during Nagorno Karabax conflict.Strange since those are the only 2 neighboring countries with Shia majority(well,ok,Iraq also).Eliev tries to hide sings of grudge like I said.He personally ordered deportation of Mahmudali Coxranogli,head of some nationalistic party which wishes to unite north and south Azerbaijan(the one that is supposedly occupied by Iran)

It goes further,to piss Russia on the nasty things it's doing in Caucasus(like screwing Georgia up and frakking with oil lines and train lines).

Excalibur
04-25-2008, 10:07 AM
Can russian planes ships cross Caspian sea without permission of countries surrounding this sea (actually huge lake) ?

Raptus_regaliter
04-25-2008, 01:40 PM
Can russian planes ships cross Caspian sea without permission of countries surrounding this sea (actually huge lake) ?

Crossing the Caspian would put them into another country's sector, so no.

Alexandr
04-25-2008, 02:43 PM
Can russian planes ships cross Caspian sea without permission of countries surrounding this sea (actually huge lake) ?


No,exept Kazakstan,our border with them exist only in meanin of economics areas borders =)
All Kaspian contries singned threaty about collective defense of sea area,so theres seriors cooperation beetwin sea border guards.
About topics subject,i think problem will be solved soon,Azerbajan do it not for the UN,Busher facilyty is not under sanctions,they tryed to promote lobyying rigths of Iran azerbaijanis minority ( 1\5 of Iran total populations),but its not working,as we see.

~Berdan
04-25-2008, 03:03 PM
No,exept Kazakstan,our border with them exist only in meanin of economics areas borders =)
All Kaspian contries singned threaty about collective defense of sea area,so theres seriors cooperation beetwin sea border guards.
About topics subject,i think problem will be solved soon,Azerbajan do it not for the UN,Busher facilyty is not under sanctions,they tryed to promote lobyying rigths of Iran azerbaijanis minority ( 1\5 of Iran total populations),but its not working,as we see.


It's not that easy..Oh man,this is actually very complicated subject what you have just touched.
And as the matter of fact,it has little to do with the current events.