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Bitogno
04-22-2008, 11:58 AM
U.S. authorities arrested an American engineer on Tuesday on suspicion of giving military secrets involving nuclear weapons, fighter jets and air defense missiles to Israel during the 1980s, the Justice Department
said.

Ben-Ami Kadish, a Connecticut-born U.S. citizen who worked at an Army engineering center in New Jersey, was suspected of reporting to the same Israeli government handler who dealt with Jonathan Jay Pollard, who is serving a life term on a charge of spying for Israel.

Court papers say Kadish's spying lasted roughly from 1979 to 1985, and his contact with the unidentified Israeli handler continued until March of this yearhttp://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/977076.html

Military-G
04-22-2008, 12:20 PM
Pardon my ignorance .. whats the worst charge he can get for spying in USA ... are the penalties very severe? Thanks.

MPNFL
04-22-2008, 12:33 PM
WASHINGTON (*******) - U.S. authorities arrested an American engineer on Tuesday on suspicion of giving secrets on nuclear weapons, fighter jets and air defense missiles to Israel during the 1980s, the Justice Department said.

Ben-Ami Kadish, a Connecticut-born U.S. citizen who worked at an Army engineering center in New Jersey, was suspected of reporting to the same Israeli government handler as Jonathan Jay Pollard, who is serving a life term on a charge of spying for Israel.
Court papers say Kadish's spying lasted roughly from 1979 to 1985, and his contact with the unidentified Israeli handler continued until March of this year.
Kadish was arrested in New Jersey and was scheduled to be arraigned on Tuesday afternoon at U.S. District Court in Manhattan, authorities said.
There was no immediate comment from the Israeli government but a senior Israeli defense official said "I find it hard to believe that, after the Pollard affair, we would recruit an American spy."
Pollard pleaded guilty in 1986.
A Justice Department official said Kadish did not appear to receive any money in exchange for his suspected spying.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080422/ts_nm/usa_israel_spy_secret_dc



sorry if it's a repost.

ramthor
04-22-2008, 12:47 PM
Actually, ... (BBC):

"His handler has been named by justice officials as the former consul for Science Affairs at the Israeli Consulate General in Manhattan, reportedly the same person who dealt with Jonathan Jay Pollard, who is serving life in prison for spying for Israel."

It will be fun watching the Tribe's machine franticallly spinning damage control on this one.

Limeyfellow
04-22-2008, 12:53 PM
Not much. We catch more spies for Israel in the US, than for China. Normally they just get sent off to jail and it stays rather hush hush most the time. There been at least 200 caught since 2001 and were expelled, but they were Israeli citizens. 150 US agents got turned into spies and caught since then, and hundreds more have been in jail for longer. I would think he'll get about ten years in prison for what he did, and probrobly his citizenship stripped.

2Sheds_Jackson
04-22-2008, 01:03 PM
I don't think we've executed anybody in quite some time, but the punishment can (and often does) involve life in prison, huge fines and solitary confinement too. Pollard (a previous spy for Israel) got life in prison with a recommendation against parole.

Laworkerbee
04-22-2008, 01:21 PM
I don't think we've executed anybody in quite some time, but the punishment can (and often does) involve life in prison, huge fines and solitary confinement too. Pollard (a previous spy for Israel) got life in prison with a recommendation against parole.

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg set the bar why has it been lowered?

Dominique
04-22-2008, 01:24 PM
Pardon my ignorance .. whats the worst charge he can get for spying in USA ... are the penalties very severe? Thanks.

Depending on what you give up, you can be sentence to death, but that hasn't happened in years (although there was some talk of them seeking the death penalty for Aldrich Ames). Usually they just get stiff sentences (usually well over 25 years).

What a lot of the general public doesn't know is just how many of our "allies" we catch spying on us. The Israelis, French, and Japanese get caught all the time. The French DGSE had intelligence agent pose as stewardesses on Air France (They would listen in on discussions of the passengers in the 1st Class section of certain flights), The Japanese got caught bugging the hotel rooms of officials discussing trade agreements, and the Israelis hist us up for military info (They usually like to get info we have on their enemies that we haven't shared with them).

Military-G
04-22-2008, 01:25 PM
Thanks for the reply, how come they all get differenct sentances then... depending of the amount of info they gave away or its importance? I would have thought any amount would be to much.

Military-G
04-22-2008, 01:26 PM
Depending on what you give up, you can be sentence to death, but that hasn't happened in years (although there was some talk of them seeking the death penalty for Aldrich Ames). Usually they just get stiff sentences (usually well over 25 years).

What a lot of the general public doesn't know is just how many of our "allies" we catch spying on us. The Israelis, French, and Japanese get caught all the time. The French DGSE had intelligence agent pose as stewardesses on Air France (They would listen in on discussions of the passengers in the 1st Class section of certain flights), The Japanese got caught bugging the hotel rooms of officials discussing trade agreements, and the Israelis hist us up for military info (They usually like to get info we have on their enemies that we haven't shared with them).

lol thanks .. i wrote out my last reply as you were typing all of that i think. :)

Winger
04-22-2008, 01:32 PM
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg set the bar why has it been lowered?

The Rosenthals basically gave the Soviets nuclear capability. There is a special place in hell reserved just for them.

John_J
04-22-2008, 01:41 PM
Dont get me wrong guys but - How can Isreal "dare" to spy on the USA and steal secrets from them? WHat is Isreal without the US ? I cant believe it - and that the US just takes it like that and doesnt "punch" back ?

Mr.Flint
04-22-2008, 01:50 PM
Dont get me wrong guys but - How can Isreal "dare" to spy on the USA and steal secrets from them? WHat is Isreal without the US ? I cant believe it - and that the US just takes it like that and doesnt "punch" back ?
If USA, for political reasons, withholds information that is essential to the security of Israel, what do you expect to happen?

You should be more worried about the chinese, russian, european, iranian, japanese, etc. spies, those would do you more harm than Israel ever could or would.

Everyone spies, so its all about who does the lesser harm by it.

Laworkerbee
04-22-2008, 01:53 PM
If USA, for political reasons, withholds information that is essential to the security of Israel, what do you expect to happen?

You should be more worried about the chinese, russian, european, iranian, japanese, etc. spies, those would do you more harm than Israel ever could or would.

Thats not the point, I don't care if it is the English. Spies should be fearing execution regardless of whom they work for.

Snoshi
04-22-2008, 01:53 PM
Dont get me wrong guys but - How can Isreal "dare" to spy on the USA and steal secrets from them? WHat is Isreal without the US ? I cant believe it - and that the US just takes it like that and doesnt "punch" back ?

Everyone spies on each other.. Dont you think that US dont spy on Israel?

MPNFL
04-22-2008, 02:05 PM
Everyone spies on each other.. Dont you think that US dont spy on Israel?

any known examples?

Ariha
04-22-2008, 02:13 PM
It will be fun watching the Tribe's machine franticallly spinning damage control on this one.

The tribe is on the face of the earth for the last 4.000 years because of its strong and positive values (fear of G-d, intelligence, loyalty, determination....) and I suspect will be here for some more millenia observing how at every generation the laughter of the fools and idiots freezes.

ramthor
04-22-2008, 02:19 PM
observing how at every generation the laughter of the fools and idiots freezes.

No doubt. Yet it's unusual that there hasn't been a word about this on CNN, when they wore us out when the last couple of Chinese were caught.

Convenient, too, that this item comes out on the day when every news media in the country is obsessed with the Pennsylvania primary.

Ariha
04-22-2008, 02:20 PM
I hate to see how Israel has to spy on the US because the latter disowns his own signed commitments that even have the status of an International Treaty thanks to the endorsement of the American Parliament (1.985 I think) of the said commitment.

This issue speaks bad of the USA and not of Israel. After all it was an American general who said that Israel supplied the USA with intelligence worth of "5 CIAs" only in the Cold War period, when America risked his supremacy in the world. After that you stab Israel in the back and go to bed with the Saudis. Nice.

Ariha
04-22-2008, 02:22 PM
any known examples?

"Known" to whom?

The USA has enough "leverage" on Israel to spare itself from this bad experiences..

Laworkerbee
04-22-2008, 02:23 PM
I hate to see how Israel has to spy on the US because the latter disowns his own signed commitments that even have the status of an International Treaty thanks to the endorsement of the American Parliament (1.985 I think) of the said commitment.

This issue speaks bad of the USA and not of Israel. After all it was an American general who said that Israel supplied the USA with intelligence worth of "5 CIAs" only in the Cold War period, when America risked his supremacy in the world. After that you stab Israel in the back and go to bed with the Saudis. Nice.

Boo Hoo your excuses mean nothing, this man is a spy and should be lined up and shot.

Winger
04-22-2008, 02:25 PM
I hate to see how Israel has to spy on the US because the latter disowns his own signed commitments that even have the status of an International Treaty thanks to the endorsement of the American Parliament (1.985 I think) of the said commitment.

This issue speaks bad of the USA and not of Israel. After all it was an American general who said that Israel supplied the USA with intelligence worth of "5 CIAs" only in the Cold War period, when America risked his supremacy in the world. After that you stab Israel in the back and go to bed with the Saudis. Nice.

The saying applies to everyone but really fits in this case, "beggars can't be choosers." Or something like, "don't bite the hand that feeds you."

I'mOnlyHalfPolish
04-22-2008, 02:26 PM
Well the Israeli lobby in the US is quite huge. I even have a friend whose father lobbied for them in the Texas state gov't. He even got a free trip to Israel.

So, I'm not surprised this doesn't play well on the "Jewish-controlled media" hahahaha, someone had to say it!

I'mOnlyHalfPolish
04-22-2008, 02:28 PM
Also my advice to the unlucky Israeli spy is...don't get caught next time.

kahn267
04-22-2008, 02:36 PM
The fact is Israel relies heavily on the US and the US relies heavily on Israel. No other country in the world can get as close to US enemies as Israel can. Look at the handling of Mugniyeh - it reaks of Mossad.
One thing that needs to be noticed is that the spying never is done to threaten the security of the US but for Israel's own defences.

Israel is the US's best friend in the Middle East for many reasons, either by being owed or earned, and at the end of the day the US is Israel's only friend.

Mr.Flint
04-22-2008, 02:38 PM
Boo Hoo your excuses mean nothing, this man is a spy and should be lined up and shot.
So no innocent till proven guilty?

alexz
04-22-2008, 02:42 PM
Pardon my ignorance .. whats the worst charge he can get for spying in USA ... are the penalties very severe? Thanks.

The spy in question is 84 year young, so good luck sending him to a 40 year prison term.

Ariha
04-22-2008, 02:45 PM
Boo Hoo your excuses mean nothing, this man is a spy and should be lined up and shot.

"Excuses" ? Find yourself good prescription glasses, Iīm stating facts, youīre having a gut reaction.

Ariha
04-22-2008, 02:47 PM
The saying applies to everyone but really fits in this case, "beggars can't be choosers." Or something like, "don't bite the hand that feeds you."

Is there any saying for the ones who pay bad the good done to them?

MPNFL
04-22-2008, 02:50 PM
The fact is Israel relies heavily on the US and the US relies heavily on Israel. No other country in the world can get as close to US enemies as Israel can. Look at the handling of Mugniyeh - it reaks of Mossad.
One thing that needs to be noticed is that the spying never is done to threaten the security of the US but for Israel's own defences.

Israel is the US's best friend in the Middle East for many reasons, either by being owed or earned, and at the end of the day the US is Israel's only friend.

but would you agree that the US would most definitely protect Israel at all cost if Israel's defense is threatened by any given nation?

Power_serj
04-22-2008, 03:07 PM
Pardon my ignorance .. whats the worst charge he can get for spying in USA ... are the penalties very severe? Thanks.

Treason carries a sentence of execution.


If he is found to be a guilty by the court, he should be executed to be made an example of. I don't care if the spy is from a friendly country. He is commiting treason and is an active traitor by handing down secret information to foreign governments without proper authority. Also, this is not the first time Israel has back-stabbed us. We should take punitive measures against Israel (if traitor is found guilty) such as cutting off military aid, and limiting military trade with Israel.

Chimera
04-22-2008, 03:20 PM
Was he spying as a freelancer or was he sent by the Mossad or whatever else thats in charge of intelligence and spying in Israel?

Snoshi
04-22-2008, 03:31 PM
Most people seem to miss one thing.. This happened in 80's..

Mr.Flint
04-22-2008, 03:37 PM
Treason carries a sentence of execution.


If he is found to be a guilty by the court, he should be executed to be made an example of. I don't care if the spy is from a friendly country. He is commiting treason and is an active traitor by handing down secret information to foreign governments without proper authority. Also, this is not the first time Israel has back-stabbed us. We should take punitive measures against Israel (if traitor is found guilty) such as cutting off military aid, and limiting military trade with Israel.
So his service in US military during WW2 means nothing now?

As for punitive measures, well how about US backstabbing Israel by selling advance weaponry to its enemies?

A little hypocritical imho....

ramthor
04-22-2008, 03:40 PM
Most people seem to miss one thing.. This happened in 80's..

The atrocities of WWII happened in the 40's - shall we just forget it?

And let's not kid ourselves - this is a current issue in every respect.

gaijinsamurai
04-22-2008, 04:06 PM
The fact of the matter is that we all spy on eachother, to some degree. There's been an agreement between the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada that those nations not spy on each other, but a few years ago, the US was caught doing so, in the UN while Iraq-related business was being discussed, much to the embarrasment of the Bush Administration.

People who engage in espionage against their own country should suffer whatever consequences they get-and if people spying for the US are caught, they probably deserve the same fate as Pollard, Ames, or perhaps even the Rosenbergs.

Red
04-22-2008, 04:28 PM
Most people seem to miss one thing.. This happened in 80's..

I don't recall there being a statute of limitations on espionage.

ramthor
04-22-2008, 04:38 PM
As information, abcnews has obtained the (un)sealed complaint [pdf] dated 21April08 from US District Court, containing FBI's deposition:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/TheLaw/Kadish_Complaint.pdf#http://abcnews.go.com/images/TheLaw/Kadish_Complaint.pdf#http://abcnews.go.com/images/TheLaw/Kadish_Complaint.pdf#http://abcnews.go.com/images/TheLaw/Kadish_Complaint.pdf

Atlantic Friend
04-22-2008, 04:43 PM
The fact is Israel relies heavily on the US and the US relies heavily on Israel. No other country in the world can get as close to US enemies as Israel can. Look at the handling of Mugniyeh - it reaks of Mossad.

I know everybody is keeping an eye on everybody else, but don't you fear that after Pollard and this guy the extent to which the US feels it can rely on Israel might have gone down a few notches ?


One thing that needs to be noticed is that the spying never is done to threaten the security of the US but for Israel's own defences.

I can see how Israel's defences were helped, but I'm afraid Americans have quite a right to find they got skewered by this guy. The man had access to sensitive info, took an oath never to reveal them to a foreign nation (friendly or else) and did it nevertheless. Israel will probably never use information directly against the US, but it might trade that information, or a sanitized version, to a third nation, whose interests might not be as aligned to America's. When all is said and done, there is no asterisk saying "unless it's to a friendly nation" when this kind of employee swears he'll not divulge information. What would Israel do in a similar case ? Prosecute the culprit for espionage, I guess.


Israel is the US's best friend in the Middle East for many reasons, either by being owed or earned, and at the end of the day the US is Israel's only friend.

Why endanger the friendship, then ?

Ariha
04-22-2008, 04:53 PM
If this issue linked to Pollard is reactivated 20 years after itīs because someone in the US administration wants to further weaken Israelīs political and diplomatic stance for events about to happen in the next months. I canīt believe that the FBI have not investigated everything worth to be investigated long ago.

Dominique
04-22-2008, 04:59 PM
Everyone spies on each other.. Dont you think that US dont spy on Israel?

Snoshi is correct, with the exception of the Canadians, the Brits, and Aussies (and that's more of a gentleman's agreement than a hard fast rule) we spie on everyone, and they spy on us. As far as teh US spying on the Israelis goes, of course we do, as their policies don't always jibe with what the US wants them to do. Do any type of work with, or for any of the Israeli military, police, and security forces, and get ready for a LONG and through debriefing by Embassy the military attache', or a friendly visit from someone at the state department. Or travel overseas on Uncle Sam's dime to conduct official business with a foreign government, and I guarantee someone will be asking you exactly what you saw, and who you spoke with. It might mean anything to you, but someone's documenting all of this for possible use later. It's the way the game is played, and has been for years.

Dominique
04-22-2008, 05:03 PM
Most people seem to miss one thing.. This happened in 80's..

Doesn't matter, he still supplied information to a foreign government, so I hope he likes the geriatrics ward of the federal prison he's headed to. The simple fact is, if you spy for another country, and get caught, Uncle Sugar has a little something for you. He knew the deal when he did it, and chose to do it anyway.

As far as providing info to "friendly" nations goes, last I checked, it's still ILLEGAL. No one authorized him to take it upon himself to provide the Israelis with info. If the US government had wanted the Israelis to have it, they would have given them the info. And the same goes in for the Israeli's, if they want us to know something they share it. It's that simple.

ramthor
04-22-2008, 06:28 PM
If this issue linked to Pollard is reactivated 20 years after itīs because someone in the US administration wants to further weaken Israelīs political and diplomatic stance

The Pollard case was raised in the FBI's deposition since both agents were 'run' by the same minder, who was at that time an officer of the Israeli embassy in NYC. That official has since returned to Israel.

Moledet
04-22-2008, 07:12 PM
Timing seems suspicious.
Israel planned to ask for the release of Pollard for the 60th independence day coming in a couple of weeks. Possibly someone in the CIA didn't like it because they are trying to make an example of Pollard.

Israel never admitted to spying in the US apart of in Pollard's case.

Laworkerbee
04-22-2008, 07:15 PM
Timing seems suspicious.
Israel planned to ask for the release of Pollard for the 60th independence day coming in a couple of weeks. Possibly someone in the CIA didn't like it because they are trying to make an example of Pollard.

Israel never admitted to spying in the US apart of in Pollard's case.

Maybe if Moses reappears and says to the United States Congress "Let My People Go" maybe then Pollard would be released, other than that good luck.

Moledet
04-22-2008, 07:22 PM
Maybe if Moses reappears and says to the United States Congress "Let My People Go" maybe then Pollard would be released, other than that good luck.
Not really, Bush is coming over for a visit before the independence day, it's the end of this presidency...I wouldn't be surprised if he releases Pollard.
Ofcourse that now it seems like the chances are lower but this story will be in the back pages by tomorrow when the votes of Hillary vs. Obama get published.

ramthor
04-22-2008, 07:23 PM
Israel never admitted to spying in the US apart of in Pollard's case.

They're about to get a new opportunity.

MPNFL
04-22-2008, 10:17 PM
Everyone spies on each other.. Dont you think that US dont spy on Israel?

that's like saying "oh everyone cheats with other people's spouses, so don't be surprised if you walk home one day to find your wife being f*cked by some stranger".

at the end day you'd better beat the dude's asz or your just asking for it to happen again and again.

Invisigoth
04-22-2008, 11:27 PM
that's like saying "oh everyone cheats with other people's spouses, so don't be surprised if you walk home one day to find your wife being f*cked by some stranger".

at the end day you'd better beat the dude's asz or your just asking for it to happen again and again.

I'd divorce that bitch, but that's just me.

Lambert58
04-22-2008, 11:35 PM
Treason carries a sentence of execution.

lol if only. Half of the population of SF and 75% of the ivy league universities would be put to the hangman's noose.

fking commie bastards.

god bless joe mccarthy.

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-23-2008, 12:10 AM
Not really, Bush is coming over for a visit before the independence day, it's the end of this presidency...I wouldn't be surprised if he releases Pollard.I doubt President Bush would tarnish the Republican parties image by releasing a traitor.

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-23-2008, 12:14 AM
If this issue linked to Pollard is reactivated 20 years after itīs because someone in the US administration wants to further weaken Israelīs political and diplomatic stance for events about to happen in the next months. I canīt believe that the FBI have not investigated everything worth to be investigated long ago.A far as I am aware the CIA and FBI are still working on cases from the 60's I don't think there is some hidden agenda going on here.

Funkgab
04-23-2008, 12:15 AM
I hate to see how Israel has to spy on the US because the latter disowns his own signed commitments that even have the status of an International Treaty thanks to the endorsement of the American Parliament (1.985 I think) of the said commitment.

This issue speaks bad of the USA and not of Israel. After all it was an American general who said that Israel supplied the USA with intelligence worth of "5 CIAs" only in the Cold War period, when America risked his supremacy in the world. After that you stab Israel in the back and go to bed with the Saudis. Nice.

Oh so that is supposed to clear everything huh? This guy got caught, end of story.

Funkgab
04-23-2008, 12:15 AM
I hate to see how Israel has to spy on the US because the latter disowns his own signed commitments that even have the status of an International Treaty thanks to the endorsement of the American Parliament (1.985 I think) of the said commitment.

This issue speaks bad of the USA and not of Israel. After all it was an American general who said that Israel supplied the USA with intelligence worth of "5 CIAs" only in the Cold War period, when America risked his supremacy in the world. After that you stab Israel in the back and go to bed with the Saudis. Nice.

Oh so that is supposed to clear everything huh? This guy got caught, end of story.

LRPV
04-23-2008, 12:26 AM
Thats not the point, I don't care if it is the English. Spies should be fearing execution regardless of whom they work for.

What about US espionage on allies such as Australia? I bet you would whinge if we shot your blokes....

LRPV
04-23-2008, 12:29 AM
If this issue linked to Pollard is reactivated 20 years after itīs because someone in the US administration wants to further weaken Israelīs political and diplomatic stance for events about to happen in the next months. I canīt believe that the FBI have not investigated everything worth to be investigated long ago.

10 points to Ariha. However I hope you are wrong....

epictetus
04-23-2008, 01:57 AM
A spy is a spy is a spy. Hang him. If an israeli gets caught with his pants down, is one thing. This guy commited treason. :-*$

frenchy
04-23-2008, 03:17 AM
All countries are doing the same thing.

Do you think US don't do the same thing toward Israel,UK or France ?

It's not and it won't be the first time that such event happens.

Atlantic Friend
04-23-2008, 06:43 AM
Israel never admitted to spying in the US apart of in Pollard's case.

As one lawyer once said "never confess to anything". I guess with Pollard the evidence was too damnable to pretend it hadn't happened.

Mackie
04-23-2008, 06:57 AM
You should be more worried about the chinese, russian, european, iranian, japanese, etc. spies, those would do you more harm than Israel ever could or would.


Anything heard about the "Swift" scandal?
The 3 most aggressive countries in industrial espionage in Germany are China, Russia and the USA.
Take a look on the US budget for secret services and we know who spies on who. ;)

Calanen
04-23-2008, 07:13 AM
The 3 most aggressive countries in industrial espionage in Germany are China, Russia and the USA.

China gets the gold medal out of those three. USA is the leader in most technology, who would they be stealing technology from?

BMUS
04-23-2008, 07:20 AM
China gets the gold medal out of those three. USA is the leader in most technology, who would they be stealing technology from?
Aparently Germany, just because the US is leading in most technologies dosen't mean it's leading in all of them.

Calanen
04-23-2008, 07:25 AM
Aparently Germany, just because the US is leading in most technologies dosen't mean it's leading in all of them.

And doesnt mean it is stealing them either - where is the source for this? I know China does, and Russia did, but the US stealing what from Germany? Its a sweeping allegation that could apply to anything, or anyone. All we have so far is 'They just do.'

Mackie
04-23-2008, 08:08 AM
The source is my company. I was also surprised to hear "USA".
But I am mechanical engineer (University) and in the worlds 32 sectors of mechanical engineering, Germany leads 21.
So I don't wonder about it.
The US have the same problem with it's aircraft industry.
World leader = heavy espionage problems.

ramthor
04-23-2008, 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by BMUS http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3199183#post3199183)
Aparently Germany, just because the US is leading in most technologies dosen't mean it's leading in all of them.
And doesnt mean it is stealing them either - where is the source for this? I know China does, and Russia did, but the US stealing what from Germany? Its a sweeping allegation that could apply to anything, or anyone. All we have so far is 'They just do.'

As someone pointed out, this is industrial espionage. All multinational corporations do it to save $$millions on R&D. Most agree that big business is much more effective in these efforts than the relative anemic intelligence services that most nations field today.

It's worth noting that the Israeli 'minder' for both Pollard and Kadish was also an employee of IAI (Israeli Aircraft Industries) at the time. This individual, identified by the FBI as "CC-1", called Kadish on March 20, 2008, and instructed him to lie to US law enforcement.

FBI deposition [pdf] to US District court dtd 21April08 is here:

http://abcnews.go.com/images/TheLaw/Kadish_Complaint.pdf#http://abcnews.go.com/images/TheLaw/Kadish_Complaint.pdf#http://abcnews.go.com/images/TheLaw/Kadish_Complaint.pdf#http://abcnews.go.com/images/TheLaw/Kadish_Complaint.pdf

TheStorm
04-23-2008, 04:53 PM
I doubt President Bush would tarnish the Republican parties image by releasing a traitor.

Common myth - Pollard's not a traitor.

Though I wouldn't mind if he was executed.

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-23-2008, 04:58 PM
Common myth - Pollard's not a traitor.

Though I wouldn't mind if he was executed.In the eyes of many Americans he has betrayed his country, though to be fair the US is not at war with Israel.

TheStorm
04-23-2008, 05:01 PM
In the eyes of many Americans he has betrayed his country, though to be fair the US is not at war with Israel.

In mine as well. I find the arrogant, flippant attitude of the Israelis when it comes to issues like this reprehensible.

ramthor
04-23-2008, 07:23 PM
"CC-1" has been open-source identified as Yossi Yagur, who as Science Deputy of the Israeli consulate in NYC, actually worked for LAKAM, an intelligence-gathering unit of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, and handled the take from Pollard and Kadish.

Jerusalem Post (today):

"LAKAM was established to assist Israel in obtaining technology for the construction of the nuclear reactor in Dimona. It basically worked to "steal" defense technology throughout the world on behalf of Israel's defense industries. And its agents were basically disguised as consulate workers.

Rafi Eitan, a former top Mossad official and today Pensioners Affairs Minister, was head of LAKAM at the time.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak was head of Military Intelligence at the time, and was one of the primary consumers of the information and material provided by the American spy for Israel (Pollard), who is serving a life sentence."

ramthor
04-28-2008, 11:54 PM
A former senior CIA counterintelligence operative believes the case “will never go to trial, because of all the ugly stuff that would come out” about Israeli activities in the United States.


Indeed, Justice Department attorneys have fought to keep “ugly stuff” from emerging in the trial of two officials of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, charged with accepting classified documents from Pentagon official Larry Franklin.


But the federal judge in the case has indicated he might not go along with their strategy. Last month Judge Thomas Ellis III indefinitely postponed the trial of AIPAC officials Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, which was scheduled to open next week.

timetraveller
04-29-2008, 06:26 AM
Traitor .. and scum of the earth


And also it shows you can't trust your supposed Friend in the Middle east .. and it shows how very effective Mossad are in getting info ...



They should be dealt with , because it hummilation for the US When an A Supposed friend spies on you it shows how far the trust and respect goes ...