Who do you want as next president of the US?

[Yosy]

Myself any of the 3 would suit me fine. After the disaster of the Bush years this election will be an historic one indeed (in fact, already is)

[Dragonscript]

This poll needs an "other" option.

I not too sure about this selection of contenders since the last eight presidents were all either state governors or former vice presidents, and our current three choices are senators. The last time a senator was elected president was John Kennedy in 1960.

[orionhawk]

Poll definitely needs an "other" or write-in option.

I don't want any of them. I don't really like Senator McCain, I disagree intensely with Senator Obama's policies, and Senator Clinton ****ing well terrifies me.

[Will938]

None of the above, and don't worry; any of those candidates will be business as usual, nothing is going to change.

[OMON]

mcCain is a clone of bush, can't imagine anyone wants a second bush

[MichaelF]

Best out of three Mutants still leaves you with....a Mutant.

[gaijinsamurai]

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a clone of Bush, but that doesn't mean I like him. Honestly, I don't really like any of the three. I definitely won't vote for Billary, and as far as McCain vs. Obama, I'll just have to wait until November.

[DesktopArmor]

I would be willing to vote for either Clinton or McCain (if I could), but I don't think I would for Obama. I don't trust his lack of experience or his 'optimism'. I have a bad feeling that he would become another JFK, except he wouldn't get assassinated. And then, people would be all disillusioned, because JFK was a s****y president, but he became an optimistic martyr in death. People would learn that boundless optimism must be tempered by reality, and that's going to be a big crash for some. I think he is too willing to appear as an elitist, and, I hate to say this, but Hillary has some of the best ideas of all three. Her college financial aid ideas are clearly the best, and that matters to me & my parents, given that four years at 50 grand/year is no simple matter.

[justagoodolboy]

I'm still writing in Undead Thomas Jefferson.

[mudbunny]

I'm writing in Peter Griffin.

[Hot Lips]

I'm writing in California Joe of the MP.Net party.

[WarriorMonk]

your momma

(oh SNAP!)

[AGE-Ranger]

I was for McCain, until he called Republicans "disconnected from reality" for bringing up Obama's pastor. Now, I probably wont vote at all.

[Buckeye67]

I'm writing in Ron Paul.

[Fifty Gut]

This poll needs an "other" option.

indeed

each one has baggage that they'll bring to the office. McCain is the warhawk and the Democrats are the illegal alien amnesty lovers (though, unfortunately, McCain is as well)

[Van Gogh]

mcCain is a clone of bush, can't imagine anyone wants a second bush

I agree, but im in favor of Hillary clinton because i want bill clinton back.

[Hilbert]

Can we have a "I don't want any of the three stooges running my country" option?

I strongly dislike McCain, I hate Billary (Go Socialism!), and I'm convinced Obama is nothing but a Clinton with a little more charisma and tact.

[Polygon]

Even though I'm disgusted with the Bush administration at the moment and the scandals involving the Republican Party, I can't stand either Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama. My vote will most likely be for McCain.

Let's face it, Ron Paul or any other third party candidate has no chance in winning.

[Doggonit55]

I for one shall welcome our intrepid new leader, The Right Honourable Reverend Saddam Hussein Osama bin Laden!

[JKD]

Even though there were things I where disagreed with them, Bill Richardson was my favorite on the Democratic side and Ron Paul on the Republican side.

Now I guess Obama seems like the least worst option to me.

[mas-36]

I'm writing in Nicolas Sarkozy, if thats any hint at how seriously I'm following US elections. In other words, for the first time in my life I just don't give a sh*t anymore, because we're screwed no matter who wins.

[Doggonit55]

I'm writing in Nicolas Sarkozy, if thats any hint at how seriously I'm following US elections. In other words, for the first time in my life I just don't give a sh*t anymore, because we're screwed no matter who wins.

Exactly. I wish they'd all just disappear. Disgusting characters, the lot of them. One's worse than the next. Politicians at this level, especially in the US, have to be corrupt crooks who promise the world and give nothing in return except for their good friends and their favoured special interest groups. Whatever happened to NOT pandering the proletariat, the lowest common denominator, the idiot brain-dead Joe Sixpack on the street? Whatever happened to doing the right thing instead of the popular thing? How conceited and naive is it to assume that the people know what's best for them? Easily manipulable sheeple! I have lost my faith in democracy...

[Atlantic Friend]

Well....me, I guess. I'm smart and good-looking, I can spell "potato" and frankly I fail to see how I could do any worse than the potential incumbents. My not being American could be spun as a guarantee I'm not already inside some big lobby's breast pocket, and provide self-righteous Patriots with the perfect excuse to hate my guts at the slightest sign of failure, without having to confess they ever voted for me. I'd say win-win scenario.

[mas-36]

...self-righteous Patriots...

You're French - That is reason enough for these "more patriotic than thou" people to hate you. p-)



...seriously, I'm not kidding.

[Atlantic Friend]

You're French - That is reason enough for these "more patriotic than thou" people to hate you. p-)



...seriously, I'm not kidding.

Absolutely ! That's why I'm the perfect candidate. "Pro" people will never dare oppose me and "Con" people will find me a very convenient scapegoat should anything go wrong.

"Oh wait, he's...by God, he's French, of course he's a traitor/a statist/a terrorist lover/an appeaser/Mullah Omar's long-lost twin brother !"

"Oh wait, he's...he's French, of course he is enlightened/is more educated/can spell 'potato' /is our fist Creole President !"

[Laworkerbee]

Well....me, I guess. I'm smart and good-looking, I can spell "potato" and frankly I fail to see how I could do any worse than the potential incumbents. My not being American could be spun as a guarantee I'm not already inside some big lobby's breast pocket, and provide self-righteous Patriots with the perfect excuse to hate my guts at the slightest sign of failure, without having to confess they ever voted for me. I'd say win-win scenario.

Sorry Mate but we are passing on whitey this coming election, I'm voting for a Black man and nothing is going to stop me.

[Atlantic Friend]

Sorry Mate but we are passing on whitey this coming election, I'm voting for a Black man and nothing is going to stop me.

What if I faked a Black accent ? I'm fluent in Ebonics now. Here's the latest Ebonic word I learned : omelette.

"I should slap yo' ass for that ****, but y'know what, omelette that **** go for this time."

[Laworkerbee]

Priceless!! rofl

[Atlantic Friend]

Priceless!! rofl

I told you, I'm a shoo-in for the election, if you just tweak that Constitution of yours a little bit.

[Laworkerbee]

I told you, I'm a shoo-in for the election, if you just tweak that Constitution of yours a little bit.

Forget it, we have this Austrian guy who could then run and you know what happens when Austrians are put in charge.

[damagejackal]

Ron Paul

A true conservative.

[Atlantic Friend]

Forget it, we have this Austrian guy who could then run and you know what happens when Austrians are put in charge.

Yeah, Poland gets invaded. Might sound a tad bizarre this time, but well, it's as good a political platform as I ever heard, so why not ?

As for the next Us President, isn't that going to be either McCain or Obama ?

[Alexandr]

I like conspirasy theories.Espeshially that paranoid story about quietly revolution in 1919,when all power was taken by CFR,and all next presidents was and will be androids-reptilians from Mars ,exept Kennedy and Nixon.

[STIG]

Ludacris .

[oxxi]

Yesterday i was in Amsterdam, i sitting down with many friends from different international communities, we were talking about politics and it got to the U.S presidential elections.

I was with an Indonesian-Dutch, Turkish-French, an American and also a Vietnamese-French friend.

With just a single exception, all of us said Obama should win, and it happened in just a matter of seconds and you guys just had to see that :)

Then we all concluded this was the primary reason why he should win, because he could easily unite people from everywhere just with his image.
Obama will bring people together, which is i think what humanity needs the most.

lastly-the only exception was strangely the only American friend of us, he said Republican nominee will win again and America wouldnt elect the other candidates.

:roll:

[Buckeye67]

Then we all concluded this was the primary reason why he should win, because he could easily unite people from everywhere just with his image.
Obama will bring people together, which is i think what humanity needs the most.
:roll:

What people do you think he's going to "unite"? It sure as **** isn't going to be Americans.

[bd popeye]

John McCain...period...

[DesktopArmor]

Yesterday i was in Amsterdam, i sitting down with many friends from different international communities, we were talking about politics and it got to the U.S presidential elections.

I was with an Indonesian-Dutch, Turkish-French, an American and also a Vietnamese-French friend.

With just a single exception, all of us said Obama should win, and it happened in just a matter of seconds and you guys just had to see that :)

Then we all concluded this was the primary reason why he should win, because he could easily unite people from everywhere just with his image.
Obama will bring people together, which is i think what humanity needs the most.

lastly-the only exception was strangely the only American friend of us

:roll:

If you don't mind me asking, who did he support? I just worry that Obama's hope and charisma will turn him into a demi-god to some people, and then they'll be really angry and disillusioned when he has to temper himself with political experience.
As to how we think about candidates Europeans think we should have, look at John Kerry to find your answer...p-)

[Buckeye67]

I just worry that Obama's hope and charisma will turn him into a demi-god to some people,

People already act like he's Jesus.

[oxxi]

If you don't mind me asking, who did he support? I just worry that Obama's hope and charisma will turn him into a demi-god to some people, and then they'll be really angry and disillusioned when he has to temper himself with political experience.
As to how we think about candidates Europeans think we should have, look at John Kerry to find your answer...p-)

Ill tell you what he told me. he told me he was in the Army for 8 years, he was from NY state, and he was supporting the republican nominee.
I asked him who does he think would win, and he said Mc Cain, and i asked what does he think about Obama's chances and then he said he doesnt think American voters would elect an african-american or a female president.

[INAT]

Democan or Republicrat makes no diffrence the policy will stay the same.
Voting is purely symbolic to give the illusion of choice.A major overhaul of government is needed to make any diffrence.It has grown too corrupt and too strong.

[FelixA9]

Yesterday i was in Amsterdam, i sitting down with many friends from different international communities, we were talking about politics and it got to the U.S presidential elections.

I was with an Indonesian-Dutch, Turkish-French, an American and also a Vietnamese-French friend.

With just a single exception, all of us said Obama should win, and it happened in just a matter of seconds and you guys just had to see that :)

Then we all concluded this was the primary reason why he should win, because he could easily unite people from everywhere just with his image.
Obama will bring people together, which is i think what humanity needs the most.

lastly-the only exception was strangely the only American friend of us, he said Republican nominee will win again and America wouldnt elect the other candidates.

:roll:


I'd be curious to know why they thought Obama should win. Is it his complete lack of experience, his fear of taking a stand (Mr. "Present"), or his blind optimism that won them over?

[Buckeye67]

I'd be curious to know why they thought Obama should win. Is it his complete lack of experience, his fear of taking a stand (Mr. "Present"), or his blind optimism?

Y'know, I don't always agree with your views/posts - but that there's a great one. ;)

[szr]

Don't really care as long as it's not Obama. Pulling for McCain though.

I'm more interested in seeing who the VP candidates and potential cabinet members will be.

[Paya]

Obama seems like a decent fellow, for a politician at least. I'm kinda rooting for him.

Hillary seems to only be able to speak in political slogans, which is fairly irritating. Plus, her husband is the only US president ever to inspire folk songs in Serbia, concentrated mainly around the subject of the eventual slitting of his throat by the collective hand of vengeful Serbs (and around the subject of blowjobs, to be frank).

McCain reminds me of a stereotypical war veteran who refers to all Vietnamese as Charlies. Not completely unlikable, though.

[oxxi]

I'd be curious to know why they thought Obama should win. Is it his complete lack of experience, his fear of taking a stand (Mr. "Present"), or his blind optimism?
Maybe because he represents something that has not been given a voice or given an opportunity to make a real difference. He is something quite different than what has been tried recently and i had observed this during my stay in the U.S, talking to lots of people about their previous presidents.

[Buckeye67]

You mean he's a lefty, tax-and-spend Democrat?

I'm not sure why you think that that's something that "hasn't been given an opportunity to make a real difference", we've been served that sh*t sandwich more than once... and guess what - it tastes like sh*t every time.

[DesktopArmor]

Democan or Republicrat makes no diffrence the policy will stay the same.
Voting is purely symbolic to give the illusion of choice.A major overhaul of government is needed to make any diffrence.It has grown too corrupt and too strong.

Oh, it'll change alright, especially if Obama wins. It'll be back to the days of Bill Clinton feel-good=must-be-good-for-me politics. It'll turn from bad to worse. More interventions with stupid pull-outs, like Somalia. An then more complete mistakes, like Rwanda. I see Obama, not Hillary, repeating Bill. Hillary, like it or not, is a woman of action, not sitting on her a** watching the polls. Obama, though, has proven his abilities of 'unifying.' He has unified his supporters, and he has unified his opponents. Unfortunately, he hasn't unified them together. Unfortunately still, he is never going to match "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"...

[Nano]

Who do I want? Here I thought elite party leaders told us what our options are. If I truly could choose my president it would be Ron Paul. If a write in was possible I'd campaign for George Washington, because most kool-aid drinking Americans today would soon as vote for the dead first president than Ron Paul. God bless both of them.

Obama what a joke of a leader. He can certainly get the blind and stupid to follow, but he can't do his current job as a senator and keep oversight of the war in Afghanistan. One more ace of a politician he stands for something and nothing at the same time. Says the invasion of Iraq was "ill conceived" yet the man votes to keep funding it. Said he would pull all troops out and end PMC contracts and has since then changed his views.
Drug dealers are a hell of a lot more honest than this man is. They at least sell you something resembling what they advertise, but you certainly don't know for sure of anything with Obama. Change is so far all I can actually gather.
I don't like Hillary any better than Obama, but I will at least know how hard I'm going to get ****ed in the ass with her. I'm almost inclined to support McCain, because he is the most honest of them all. I'm just going to stay home and not vote for any of these jokers.

[Merfeller]

I see a hyper-ambitious feminist who will literally do and say anything to win the crown jewel of her career, a race-obsessed bull**** artist who wants to have his cake and eat it too, and an experienced (though I admit old) statesman with a longer and more accomplished track record than both of the others combined. Not much choice if you ask me. My criticism about McCain is that he is a creampuff when it comes to campaigning. The nice guy bit will not fly much longer. Once the Dems decide on a nominee they will want to make up for lost time.

[Buckeye67]

I'm almost inclined to support McCain, because he is the most honest of them all.

Which isn't saying much (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five).

[Power_serj]

McCain reminds me of a stereotypical war veteran who refers to all Vietnamese as Charlies. Not completely unlikable, though.

He got in trouble with the media a while back for referring to the Vietcong as "Gooks". He was called racist, but said only the NVA were "gooks" in his book, and not other Vietnamese. He, however, vowed to never use the term in public again after the incident.

[Merfeller]

Which isn't saying much (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five).


Financial baggage might be a moot point this time...Rezko....Whitewater

[Nano]

Which isn't saying much (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five).

True which is why I said honest of them all not honest.

[JKD]

You mean he's a lefty, tax-and-spend Democrat?


It's that or a borrow-and-spend Republican.

[Buckeye67]

Financial baggage might be a moot point this time...Rezko....Whitewater

I don't know if I'd call taking money for helping cover a guy's ass who bilked people out of millions of dollars "financial baggage" - but compared to crap like Whitewater you're right. Probably doesn't mean much. McCain's slimey though.

Hell, all three of them are slimey.

This election is going to suck ass.


It's that or a borrow-and-spend Republican.

Don't gotta tell me. I'm a Ron Paul supporter.

I really don't see any significant differences between McCain, Billary or Jesus.

[Merfeller]

I don't know if I'd call taking money for helping cover a guy's ass who bilked people out of millions of dollars "financial baggage" - but compared to crap like Whitewater you're right. Probably doesn't mean much. McCain's slimey though.

Hell, all three of them are slimey.

This election is going to suck ass.

Agreed. Sucky election ahead. Financial baggage seems to be a good catch all phrase, though, be it to describe savings and loan conspirators, land deals bringing in a 10,000% return on investment, or just hanging out with Chicago's most notorious slumlord and skimming a little bit o' cash...:)

[Buckeye67]

Agreed. Sucky election ahead. Financial baggage seems to be a good catch all phrase, though, be it to describe savings and loan conspirators, land deals bringing in a 10,000% return on investment, or just hanging out with Chicago's most notorious slumlord and skimming a little bit o' cash...:)

Agreed. :lol:

[Annihilator9112]

where is ron paul?

hillary - crazy maniac
obama - normal president with high taxes and rates
McCain - crazy maniac that likes war and would probably attack iran

ron paul - the only one that wants good for his country and people out there dont like good so all the evil people want one of those 3 above ron paul.

[INAT]

Here is an article I read yesterday that I think is as
true today as it was when it was originally written.It does not have a date but from the people it talks about I would guess 1980s .Substitute past names for current leaders.


The 545 People Responsible For All Of U.S. Woes

BY Charley Reese

(Date of publication unknown)-- -- - Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.


Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code. Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy. Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 235 million - are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private central bank.

I excluded all but the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it.

No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislation's responsibility to determine how he votes.

A CONFIDENCE CONSPIRACY

Don't you see how the con game that is played on the people by the politicians? Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of Tip O'Neill, who stood up and criticized Ronald Reagan for creating deficits.

The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating appropriations and taxes.

O'neill is the speaker of the House. He is the leader of the majority party. He and his fellow Democrats, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetos it, they can pass it over his veto.

REPLACE SCOUNDRELS

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 235 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts - of incompetence and irresponsibility.

I can't think of a single domestic problem, from an unfair tax code to defense overruns, that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.

When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Marines are in Lebanon, it's because they want them in Lebanon.

There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take it.

Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exist disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation" or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people and they alone are responsible. They and they alone have the power. They and they alone should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses - provided they have the gumption to manage their own employees.

[yydebox1]

I choose John McCain,because he is a hero!

[donllano]

McCain. The only one who has not given his back to the only U.S. partner in Latin America, Colombia. I mean, if Obama (and to a lesser extent Hillary) get elected, say good-bye to a stable and democratic South America and welcome the new banana republic of socialist Latin America.

[LRPV]

I choose John McCain,because he is a hero!

That's very patriotic, now can McCain govern at Presidential level?:|

As a foreigner I don't get to vote, except here on MP.net:) , but I would lean towards McCain by default. That is, de fault of the other two clowns.

[MichaelF]

I choose John McCain,!

http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Mean%20Pokemon.jpg


Good luck getting him into that ball...

[yydebox1]

That's very patriotic, now can McCain govern at Presidential level?:|

As a foreigner I don't get to vote, except here on MP.net:) , but I would lean towards McCain by default. That is, de fault of the other two clowns.
Obama is too young and McCain is too old,A woman?No,hell no!

As a foreigner I cann't vote too.but I think M is the best choice.

About presdiential level,a lot of people doubt Bush too.:)

[FelixA9]

That's very patriotic, now can McCain govern at Presidential level?:|


He could hardly do worse than a former first lady or an intern.

[LRPV]

He could hardly do worse than a former first lady.

I agree, I don't think the world deserves another Clinton...

[ocean]

Interesting, Clinton + Obama = McCain

[helomech]

John McCain,he is the best of any choice available-and he's a Republican

Obama just has no experience to run this country,and people just ain't comfortable with him and it's not because he's black,he needs more time as a leader;Clinton-motherfvcker please!She wants the presidency so bad you can see it;let me re-phrase that,she covets the Oval Office,I agree with what was said earlier about the last thing we need is another Clinton administration-one was a disaster already,who wants to live through another one,I sure as hell don't!

I for one won't vote for anyone in the Handout Party(Democrap)

[AGE-Ranger]

McCain - crazy maniac that likes war and would probably attack iran


Thats pretty presumptive on your part. You act like he doesn't know what war is like. If there is anyone who truly hate war in government, its McCain. This is coming from someone who isn't a big fan of him politically.

[Doggonit55]

Yesterday i was in Amsterdam, i sitting down with many friends from different international communities, we were talking about politics and it got to the U.S presidential elections.

I was with an Indonesian-Dutch, Turkish-French, an American and also a Vietnamese-French friend.

With just a single exception, all of us said Obama should win, and it happened in just a matter of seconds and you guys just had to see that :)

Then we all concluded this was the primary reason why he should win, because he could easily unite people from everywhere just with his image.
Obama will bring people together, which is i think what humanity needs the most.

lastly-the only exception was strangely the only American friend of us, he said Republican nominee will win again and America wouldnt elect the other candidates.

:roll:

Why? You think that solely because when something on the American elections is aired at the hourly news update, you always see the slick facade that is Obama? Because you think just being black will mean that he'll make a difference? He's a crook like the lot of them. You are so naive, so incredibly arrogant to suggest that Osama will change anything. Too bad the rest of America buys it as well. He sure has a damn effective PR machine that's taking advantage of the idiotic sheeple. I hate this age of the lowest common denominator. Most people don't deserve a vote, for anything shiny takes their fancy... idiots without substance.

[LRPV]

Most people don't deserve a vote, for anything shiny takes their fancy... idiots without substance.

Quoted for the truth.

[vryhpyammoadded]

Stemming the rising tide of looters and moochers with aims to steal other people’s hard earned wealth and time is of paramount importance to this nation. With only these three choices, I begrudgingly vote for the McCain choice forced upon me.
I cannot tolerate a Clinton or Obama administration who both insists on destroying this nation with their tyrannical collectivist meddling programs and corrupt income redistribution schemes.
McCain and the Republicans may offer another, slightly more palatable version of the same but at least its growth will be somewhat more retarded as they are forced to at least acknowledge their Red district constituency.

[oxxi]

:roll:
Why? You think that solely because when something on the American elections is aired at the hourly news update, you always see the slick facade that is Obama? Because you think just being black will mean that he'll make a difference? He's a crook like the lot of them. You are so naive, so incredibly arrogant to suggest that Osama will change anything. Too bad the rest of America buys it as well. He sure has a damn effective PR machine that's taking advantage of the idiotic sheeple. I hate this age of the lowest common denominator. Most people don't deserve a vote, for anything shiny takes their fancy... idiots without substance.

Buddy i simply wrote what i experienced in Amsterdam, in a international community, but you proved to be the arrogant one because you wrote Osama, not Obama.
I cant debate on who should be your next president i can only say what the world thinks, but as somebody said on the previous page, whatever Europeans or others would want, you will be the one that is going to choose, i mean thats how Bush was elected the second time, but then again, i m sure he was a better choice, a more productive president than Obama would have been.(?)

(this forum is a military forum and i think thats why Mc Cain gets the majority of the votes, but even though he gets to be the first in these kind of "more patriotic", "less liberal" forums, i still thinks the amount of votes Obama got shows, no matter where the audience is located at, he can always be the "on the game" , at least the second place :)

[FelixA9]

Quoted for the truth.


On of my favorite quotes:

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

[OWTLAW]

Does it really matter? Somebody is gonna get fuc&ed over in the end no matter which of these three is in office. Just my opinion. Politicians are all fu&king liars.

[deagle]

like the real election, i'm not gonna vote...unless one candidate provides (not "promises") more for our vets and healthcare and financial aid.

[Anthony91]

Can I vote for Ronald Reagan?

[Herrmannek]

I want Obama and McCain to fight and then McCain to win.... Americans may be that dumb to choose a woman when given a chance... :) So don't! All republicans should go vote for Obama in those democrats inner polls...

[Doggonit55]

:roll:
I cant debate on who should be your next president i can only say what the world thinks, but as somebody said on the previous page, whatever Europeans or others would want, you will be the one that is going to choose, i mean thats how Bush was elected the second time, but then again, i m sure he was a better choice, a more productive president than Obama would have been.(?)

(this forum is a military forum and i think thats why Mc Cain gets the majority of the votes, but even though he gets to be the first in these kind of "more patriotic", "less liberal" forums, i still thinks the amount of votes Obama got shows, no matter where the audience is located at, he can always be the "on the game" , at least the second place :)

Maybe the US should start caring less about what the hell the world thinks and what the hell the rest of the world is up to. All this interventionism since the end of the Cold War caused nothing but grief. I'm a supporter of isolationism. The US should clean up its own backyard first.

All those formerly apathetic college kids who are campaigning for Obama do it only for one of three reasons: (a) liberal white guilt kicking in (inherited from mom & dad who voted for Kerry and Gore) and wanting to be an advocate for change and progress (whatever that means), (b) inane assumption that a black president means great things to come and that the happy days will be back again, or (c) their friends do it and it's so friggin' cool, it's shows that you, like, care.

If you really think Bush and Obama are so different, think again. They're both politicians. They're both crooks. They're two of a kind with minor policy differences. Obama won't do jack about Iraq because he can't. Too many vested interests there now... too much time and money was spent... it would be the ULTIMATE loss of face for the US to cut and run now. It will never happen. Which is why all these crooks (Obama & Hillary) are talking about is a timeline, or a study into a proposal for a potential timeline for withdrawal and all that rubbish. They're all in the pockets of the same lobbyists as everyone else. It's nonsense.

[Doggonit55]

Can I vote for Ronald Reagan?

He was at least interested in the good of the nation, not in the whims and fancies of the people. Enforcing the Taft-Hartley Act and firing those damn air traffic controllers in '81 was one the finest things he ever did.

Plus, he had a sense of humour:

http://youtube.com/v/Zv13ZnkpWos

[Doggonit55]

Does it really matter? Somebody is gonna get fuc&ed over in the end no matter which of these three is in office. Just my opinion. Politicians are all fu&king liars.

Preach it, brother! Preach it! Too bad it's gonna fall on deaf ears. Welcome to the age of superficiality and apathy, where people get all up and hyped about the trivial and don't give a damn about what's important, as long as their sheltered little lives are kept the same.

[oxxi]

Maybe the US should start caring less about what the hell the world thinks and what the hell the rest of the world is up to. All this interventionism since the end of the Cold War caused nothing but grief. I'm a supporter of isolationism. The US should clean up its own backyard first.

All those formerly apathetic college kids who are campaigning for Obama do it only for one of three reasons: (a) liberal white guilt kicking in (inherited from mom & dad who voted for Kerry and Gore) and wanting to be an advocate for change and progress (whatever that means), (b) inane assumption that a black president means great things to come and that the happy days will be back again, or (c) their friends do it and it's so friggin' cool, it's shows that you, like, care.

If you really think Bush and Obama are so different, think again. They're both politicians. They're both crooks. They're two of a kind with minor policy differences. Obama won't do jack about Iraq because he can't. Too many vested interests there now... too much time and money was spent... it would be the ULTIMATE loss of face for the US to cut and run now. It will never happen. Which is why all these crooks (Obama & Hillary) are talking about is a timeline, or a study into a proposal for a potential timeline for withdrawal and all that rubbish. They're all in the pockets of the same lobbyists as everyone else. It's nonsense.

You do make sense and i cant defend Obama so blindly because i dont really know him that well.
Mine was just a feeling i ve sensed from Obama and what i heard from his speeches, the fact that he was not scared to criticise oil company's etc.. made me think he was a man with courage, but then again this is politics we are talking about and we can never be sure what these guys are actually capable of :)

[noname]

I was for McCain, until he called Republicans "disconnected from reality" for bringing up Obama's pastor. Now, I probably wont vote at all.


Then you lose all right to complaining about the next president after they are sworn in.

[noname]

like the real election, i'm not gonna vote...unless one candidate provides (not "promises") more for our vets and healthcare and financial aid.


How can they do that anyway? The only thing they can do is promise.

[budgie]

None of the above, and don't worry; any of those candidates will be business as usual, nothing is going to change.

I disagree. There's been a lot of 'angry' politics from the Bush administration. At the very least the mood will change regardless of which one wins.

In terms of foreign policy as well there'll be big differences (at least very different from the first few Bush years; they've toned it down lately). All three of the candidates will be more open to dialogue with allies and 'enemies' alike.

[Doggonit55]

How can they do that anyway? The only thing they can do is promise.

In my America, oil workers eat steaming plates of endangered bird while sitting atop a mound of dead hippies.

[Power_serj]

Doggonit55, I just read your past few posts. What your real full name, I think I'm going to put you in as a write in, in the Presidential Elections. K?

(Seriously, I agree with everything you said.)

[Doggonit55]

Doggonit55, I just read your past few posts. What your real full name, I think I'm going to put you in as a write in, in the Presidential Elections. K?

(Seriously, I agree with everything you said.)

I was born in Canada, thus I cannot be POTUS, nor would I want to be. Why? Because power corrupts, just to name one of many reasons.

All the people who should be President don't want to be, and all the people who want to be President shouldn't be.

All future Presidents of the US should take heed to read the story of Cincinnatus, the greatest of the Roman dictators, to learn of his service to the public good, civic virtue, and modesty, and then go and do likewise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnatus

On a related note, a great many problems could be avoided by making the presidency a single term deal. That'd prevent them from being tempted to pander so much to special interests to ensure a second term in office.

[Mordecai]

...Obama won't do jack about Iraq because he can't. Too many vested interests there now... too much time and money was spent... it would be the ULTIMATE loss of face for the US to cut and run now. It will never happen...

You had me up til this part. Personally I think the Dems want us to fail so they can point the finger at the Bush admin and say, "we told you so." They have done it with everything else they were able to side step.

I am very afraid if one of the two democrats are elected into office there will be another few years of too much talking and not enough doing. 8 years of Bill being in office was enough. I dont think we need another 4, atleast. I also cannot stand Obama. I think he is racially divisive, an elitist, a coward, unamerican and unpatriotic, not to mention the fact that I think he would toss all the hard work our troops have done to the wind in both Iraq and A-stan and not be firm enough with Iran and Syrian/NK.

This is not even touching the social programs either Dems want to institute on top of the crap that is already in place. I am darned tired of paying for others to sit on their fat, lazy, no good for nothing a$$es pumping out kids like their bodies are baby factories all the while collecting food stamps and welfare which I am taxed out the a$$ to pay for. I hate to see what they have planned for the insurance for everyone plan. Its not my responsibility to provide for those who should be doing so themselves... Get a job.

I feel better now.

[SilentType]

John McCain.

We're at war folks in two different countries and the simple fact is that we need a War Time President that understands the military and foreign affairs. McCain comes from a long line of men who have served this country it's in his dna and if he hadn't been so badly injured while a POW he probably would have retired an Admiral by now.

The government can only do so much about the economy and I don't beleive now is the time to raise taxes and force the rich to offshore their money anymore than they already are. Obama and Hillary talk about tax exemptions for this and tax exemptions for that, but how many more pages of tax code do we need? Whatever savings any so called "middle class" families will be provided through Obama or Hillary's tax cuts will be overtaken by the cost of accountants to file.

[SilentType]

You had me up til this part. Personally I think the Dems want us to fail so they can point the finger at the Bush admin and say, "we told you so." They have done it with everything else they were able to side step.

I am very afraid if one of the two democrats are elected into office there will be another few years of too much talking and not enough doing. 8 years of Bill being in office was enough. I dont think we need another 4, atleast. I also cannot stand Obama. I think he is racially divisive, an elitist, a coward, unamerican and unpatriotic, not to mention the fact that I think he would toss all the hard work our troops have done to the wind in both Iraq and A-stan and not be firm enough with Iran and Syrian/NK.

This is not even touching the social programs either Dems want to institute on top of the crap that is already in place. I am darned tired of paying for others to sit on their fat, lazy, no good for nothing a$$es pumping out kids like their bodies are baby factories all the while collecting food stamps and welfare which I am taxed out the a$$ to pay for. I hate to see what they have planned for the insurance for everyone plan. Its not my responsibility to provide for those who should be doing so themselves... Get a job.

I feel better now.

I agree and it's not just military related. The Democrats refuse to budge on energy independence. They want everything to be clean and pure as the driven snow energy wise and refuse to recognize that we need a transition plan. Meanwhile, they scream "no blood for oil" while they wont let us drill in anwar or build more power plants. We can't get an energy bills passed, because the Democrats refuse to bend on anything.

We can't allow China and India to have an unfair advantage by being free of environmental restrictions and then slam every US company with environmental restrictions while we keep free trade open. We may as well just help every US company pack boxes to ship to China where they'll move in that case.

Have to take common sense steps and we'll get to where we all want to be, but the Democrats lack common sense on almost everything. It's all quick and easy fixes to get them elected.

[3rdMillhouse]

If I were an american, I'd vote for John McCain.

[Midav]

I was born in Canada, thus I cannot be POTUS, nor would I want to be. Why? Because power corrupts, just to name one of many reasons.

All the people who should be President don't want to be, and all the people who want to be President shouldn't be.

All future Presidents of the US should take heed to read the story of Cincinnatus, the greatest of the Roman dictators, to learn of his service to the public good, civic virtue, and modesty, and then go and do likewise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnatus

On a related note, a great many problems could be avoided by making the presidency a single term deal. That'd prevent them from being tempted to pander so much to special interests to ensure a second term in office.

Very interesting and did not know that.

In more recent times, one needs to only look at George Washington. He easily could have sat for a third term yet refused to do so. He went home to work on his distillery.

[dava]

This is not even touching the social programs either Dems want to institute on top of the crap that is already in place. I am darned tired of paying for others to sit on their fat, lazy, no good for nothing a$$es pumping out kids like their bodies are baby factories all the while collecting food stamps and welfare which I am taxed out the a$$ to pay for. I hate to see what they have planned for the insurance for everyone plan. Its not my responsibility to provide for those who should be doing so themselves... Get a job.

I hope you feel great paying for some useless war. Iraq is costing you more than all the social programs that the dems propose.

But actually no, its we, the rest of the world who pays for it while your printing presses are steaming. Well yeah, at least the US is dirtcheap for us eurowussies right now. Before, we needed to go to Romania or Hungary for a cheap vacation. Now we can go crazy in NY.



We can't allow China and India to have an unfair advantage by being free of environmental restrictions and then slam every US company with environmental restrictions while we keep free trade open. We may as well just help every US company pack boxes to ship to China where they'll move in that case.

We ve had the unfair advantage for how many years? The West got big on polluting. We created the mess, we pay for it. Simple as that.
Plus environmentalism creates a lot of possibilities, going green is more of a chance to get better. Polluting = working inefficiently.

[Kilgor]

We can't allow China and India to have an unfair advantage by being free of environmental restrictions and then slam every US company with environmental restrictions while we keep free trade open. We may as well just help every US company pack boxes to ship to China where they'll move in that case.



China is already drowning in their own Sh1t. 7/10 of the worst polluted cities are in china and already there are thousands of deaths per year in respiratory diseases. The construction of coal fired plants continues unabated, and its fair to say they will soon have a environmental catastrophe on their hands.

[Shadowstorm]

China is already drowning in their own Sh1t. 7/10 of the worst polluted cities are in china and already there are thousands of deaths per year in respiratory diseases. The construction of coal fired plants continues unabated, and its fair to say they will soon have a environmental catastrophe on their hands.
Quoted for the truth.

[Kilgor]

Speaking of "environmental restrictions" The US car industry doesn't seem to be too healthy compared to the highly efficient Japanese and European models.

[Shadowstorm]

I was at the car show back in January and I seen a few American made hybrid cars compared to the Japanese & European hybrids cars. It was like wow!

[Zoomie]

I disagree. There's been a lot of 'angry' politics from the Bush administration. At the very least the mood will change regardless of which one wins.
And there's been none of that between Obama and Clinton?

[Mordecai]

I hope you feel great paying for some useless war. Iraq is costing you more than all the social programs that the dems propose.

Useless, like saving most of Europe from Hitler as he imposed his will on an entire region or are you referring to something else? Could you please define useless for me no I can narrow my scope of reference and save me painting with a wide brush...

Either way, I actually would rather pay for just about anything than pay to provide for those who can provide for themselves but would rather the gov't of the United States do it for them so they can drive Cadillacs, eat steak 5x/week, and treat their bodies like an amusement park ride all the while not being held to the same standards (drug tests, etc...) as those who are being taxed to pay for their undeserved lifestyle. This is not to say there are not those who need and/or deserve help however the number who need it are far outweighed those who abuse it. As well, I personally could care less about providing nationalized insurance to everyone; get a fVcking job. I provide for my family; everyone should feel the same responsibility and act on it. I dont remember seeing in the BOR or the US Constitution where its the responsibility of the Republic to provide that which the general public can and should provide/pay for, if they would get off their collective sorry asses, themselves. It is an entitlement issue plain and simple. This statement includes all races, colors and creeds I don not care who you are. Although I must say, those who are here illegally (calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is no different than calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist), who arent paying into the system but are more than happy to milk it for all its worth shouldnt get a darned thing other than a one-way ticket back from whence they came. I care less how many children they had here or what they do. The fact is they broke the law coming here and them not being citizens they arent even worthy of the benefits the welfare leeches get. My father came here in 1942 and my mother in 1968 LEGALLY; everyone who wants a piece of the pie should be required to do the same. I personally think the open borders of our Country pose a serious threat to our national security and wouldnt have a problem with shooting ANYONE caught crossing into our country ILLEGALLY. Those that are here unlawfully should be shipped/bused back to the point they entered this Country...


But actually no, its we, the rest of the world who pays for it while your printing presses are steaming. Really, paying for it how? Want to pay for our illegal aliens to live here as well? Oh wait, thats not your problem...


Weve had the unfair advantage for how many years? The West got big on polluting. We created the mess, we pay for it. Simple as that. Plus environmentalism creates a lot of possibilities, going green is more of a chance to get better. Polluting = working inefficiently.

Who is we first of all? I ask because you, like a multitude of others here, didnt include your country of origin/ citizenship in your profile? Is that because you are ashamed of it or because you would rather not defend what it stands for or lacks to stand for? Just curious. I have noticed there are alot of people here, from other countries, who are commenting on how bad it is here in the US. Last time I checked we have more immigrants, legal and illegal, coming here than any other country in the world. Seems as though its much better than some others perceive.

Tell me which country leads the world in pollution? It isnt the US. I wish there was something which could be done, in the short term, to curb pollution and the troubles with the ozone layer/"global warming," then again I care less really about the scientists opinions at this point. Those who talked the loudest about global warming are now saying they were wrong... No two groups can agree on it so why worry about it. The Earth has been here for millions of years; how long has the industrialized world inhabited the earth? I think the Earth is doing just fine... When she is tired of us being here she will let us know. As a side note since we are discussing the environment and the impacts we humans are having, I wish we were drilling in Alaska (fvck the penguins and the sea lions, natural selection.) If PETA and the darned environmentalists were as concerned with the US and our dependence on ME oil as they are with a darned animals and the ozone, oil wouldnt be an issue.

Getting back on topic of other countries' opinions, I personally could care less what ANY other country in the world thinks about how we choose to defend ourselves. Last time I checked we have liberated most of Europe, a good portion of Africa, and are now working on some of the ME, from tyranny, terror and dictatorship. Every time something happens around the world everyone turns to the mighty US to go do something about it. However when we step forward the world looks at us to say...why is the US meddling in another country's business. You cant have it both ways. The fact of the matter is if Germany, France, China, and Russia (those who seem to veto everything the US brings before the UN security council) had any balls this whole Iraq war would be a non-issue and the sanctions imposed by the UN from 1992-2003 would have bankrupted Iraq or made it so difficult for them to make money the US wouldnt have had to oust Saddam as someone within his gov't would have done it. Saddam was a tyrant and a dictator who hanged, beat, gases, and bullied his own people; he needed to go, like a few others. I didnt see any other country, save GB, stepping up to the plate to help. There are a few other countries out there who need to be b1tchslapped as well (infact Israel did just that not too long ago) and learn to stop fvcking around with the nuke issue or they will find themselves in a world of hurt.

In closing, as far as I am concerned, as well as many other US military service members, the countries who question the method(s), timing, and circumstances in and with which we choose to defend ourselves may as well STFU. We really could care less what you have to say on the issue.

You are part of the solution or you are part of the problem.


Have a very SF day.

[Kak]

I knew **** Cheney had an MP.net account p-)

[INAT]

Useless, like saving most of Europe from Hitler as he imposed his will on people or something else? Could you please define useless.

Either way, I actually would rather pay for just about anything than pay to provide for those who can provide for themselves but would rather the gov't of the United States do it for them so they can drive Cadillacs, eat steak 5x/week, and treat their bodies like an amusement park ride all the while not being held to the same standards (drug tests, etc...) as those who are being taxed to pay for their way of life. Now, I am not saying there are not those who need and/or deserve it but the numbers who need it are far outweighed those who abuse it. I personally could care less about providing nationalized insurance to everyone as well; get a fVcking job. I provide for my family; everyone should feel the responsibility to do the same. I dont remember seeing in the BOR or the US Constitution where its the responsibility of the Republic to provide that which the general public could, if they would get off their collective sorry asses, for themselves. It is an entitlement issue plain and simple. This includes all races and creeds, especially those who are here illegally (calling an illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is no different than calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist) who arent paying into the system but are milking it for all its worth. My parents came to America and entered legally, everyone who wants a piece of the pie should be required to do the same. If found here illegally they should be put on a bus/boat and shipped back from whence they came post haste.

Really, paying for it how? Want to pay for our illegal aliens to live here as well? Oh wait, thats not your problem...

Who is we first of all? I ask because you, like a multitude of others here, didnt include your country of origin/ citizenship in your profile? Is that because you are ashamed of it or because you would rather not defend what it stands for or lacks to stand for? Just curious. I have noticed there are alot of people here, from other countries, who are commenting on how bad it is here in the US. Last time I checked we have more immigrants, legal and illegal, coming here than any other country in the world. Seems as though its much better than some others perceive.

Tell me which country leads the world in pollution? I wish there was something which could be done, in the short term, to curb pollution then again I care less. The Earth has been here for millions of years; how long has the industrialized world inhabited it? I think the Earth is doing just fine... Especially since no 3 scientists can agree on the climate... As a side note, I wish we were drilling in Alaska (fvck the penguins and the sea lions, natural selection.) If PETA and the darned environmentalists were as concerned with the US and our dependence on ME oil as they are with a darned animals and the ozone, oil wouldnt be an issue. Sorry about that rant...

Getting back on topic, I personally could care less what ANY other country in the world thinks about how we choose to defend ourselves. Last time I checked we have liberated most of Europe, a good portion of Africa, and are now working on some of the ME, from tyranny, terror and dictatorship. Every time something happens around the world everyone turns to the mighty US to go do something about it. When we do something the world looks at us to say...why is the meddling in another countrie's business. The fact of the matter is if Germany, France, and Russia had any balls (and wasnt in Iraq's back pocket) this would be a non-issue and the sanctions imposed, or offered by the US from 1992-2003 would have bankrupted Iraq or made it so difficult for them to make money and the US wouldnt have had to oust Saddam as someone within his gov't would have done it. Saddam was a tyrant and a dictator who hanged, beat, gases, and bullied his own people; he needed to go, like a few others. I didnt see any other country, save GB, stepping up to the plate to help. As far as I am concerned, as well as many other US military servicemembers, those countries may as well STFU. We really could care less what you have to say on the issue.

You are part of the solution or you are in the way.


Have a very SF day.

Conservative rage you can't beat it! You sir should have a radio program on the am dial.

[Doggonit55]

:roll: If you say so...

Seriously... people who think that things will improve are so naive and conceited.

[Laworkerbee]

Seriously... people who think that things will improve are so naive and conceited.

Where in the hell do you find conceit? That makes no sense.

[Kak]

Oh and I'm for Barack Obama, because of his political positions (especially foreign policy), and for having an understanding of the world and the region to know that invading Iraq was stupid before we did it, something even I knew as a teen who only cared about socializing and goofing around. I strongly disagree with him on gun control though, as a military arms enthusiast with an AK of my own, I really don't want to see the AWB come back, but as much as that sucks, I don't think it would be as bad as having 4 more years of neocon hawkish foreign policy with someone who talks like he's significantly more of a hawk than Bush and intends to make Russia our enemy. That's not to say I don't admire McCain as a person though, I really do, but then again I like Bush quite a bit too in that way. I just really don't want them to be President.

[Doggonit55]

Oh and I'm for Barack Obama, because of his political positions (especially foreign policy), and for having an understanding of the world and the region to know that invading Iraq was stupid before we did it, something even I knew as a teen who only cared about socializing and goofing around.

Hook. Line. Sinker.

I cannot deny it, he has a great PR and image machine and people eat it up like rice pudding, and beg for more. He isn't half what he seems and makes himself out to be, starting with the face that he ain't really that young (although, credit to him, he does keep himself in good shape), he doesn't really have much experience, and he isn't that knowledgeable (I'm not saying that any of the other candidates are). Still, that only makes him a man who understands image and show-biz at best, and a deceitful crook at worst.

The man is a [born] professional politician and therefore is not to be trusted.

[Kak]

All I can do is compare him to other politicians. He isn't running for "greatest guy", he's running for President, and I see him as the best choice.

[Doggonit55]

All I can do is compare him to other politicians. He isn't running for "greatest guy", he's running for President, and I see him as the best choice.

Fair enough... but the face that these three ARE our choices is quite sickening.

[budgie]

And there's been none of that between Obama and Clinton?

I'd say the sniping between the two has been over-hyped by the American media - they're eager to inject conflict into their coverage. It doesn't come close to the hateful vitriol that has been spewed between 'right' and 'left' over the dozen years or so.