3 immigrants slayed in Moscow amid wave of ethnic violence

[Afro-European]

MOSCOW -- Throats slashed and bodies dumped, three slain Uzbek immigrants were discovered in the Moscow region, police announced Wednesday as racial violence continued to climb starkly in Russia's streets.

This year has seen a dramatic increase in skinhead and neo-Nazi attacks, human rights groups say, many of them aimed at Caucasian and Central Asian immigrants from hardscrabble former Soviet republics who flock to Russia to eke out a living. The bodies turn up beaten, bruised and stabbed, sometimes mutilated or bearing signs of torture.
The first body discovered was of a 32-year-old Uzbek killed Tuesday night. Later that night, the bodies of two Uzbek brothers, ages 23 and 30, were found in a house under construction, according to the Russian Interfax news agency. Such crimes have often been tied to race, but police have not yet announced a motive in the cases.Human rights groups complain that the government has failed to stanch, and has even implicitly fostered, the ethnic violence. More than 50 people have been killed in racially motivated attacks this year, compared with fewer than 20 such deaths in the same period last year, the rights groups say. Critics accuse authorities of encouraging ultranationalistic, xenophobic groups and failing to thoroughly investigate or prosecute hate crimes.

In one case that was prosecuted,six Russian men were found guilty Wednesday of bombing a multiethnic market in Moscow in 2006. The blast, which killed 14 people and wounded 61, stands as an emblematic attack in a campaign by ultranationalists to drive immigrants out of Russia with violence.

The killings this week of the Uzbeks came to light on the eve of a planned demonstration in Moscow by the Movement Against Illegal Immigration, a group whose rallies have traditionally been gatherings for ultranationalists and neo-Nazis, arms held high in salute to Adolf Hitler.

This group and other such organizations are allowed to hold regular rallies and marches in Russia and draw thousands of participants who shout racist slogans and demonstrate unmolested. By contrast, police often crack down on anti-government protests by pro-democracy groups, and gay pride demonstrations are banned.

"Xenophobes feel comfortable in Russia. They feel protected," said Lev Ponomaryov, head of the Moscow-based For Human Rights organization. "It's very difficult to get the authorities to pay serious and adequate attention to these crimes."

At least one leader of a neo-Nazi organization has bragged publicly about participating in attacks on ethnic minorities, Ponomaryov said. His organization lobbied the government to investigate the man's boasts, he said, but the requests were ignored.

The governments of several Central Asian countries also have implored Russian authorities to better protect the millions of immigrants who seek work in the shadow of a global oil and gas boom that has greatly benefited Russia.

Earlier this year, the government of Kyrgyzstan complained to Moscow about the rise in crime against its citizens. The protest came after a string of particularly gory slayings. In one case, the body of a 22-year-old Kyrgyz man was found, his stomach cut open, his throat slashed and a star carved into his torso.
"These [nationalistic] groups portray themselves as the protectors of the Russian people against internal threats," said Oleg Panfilov, head of the Moscow-based Center for Journalism in Extreme Situations.
"They are becoming more popular and more communicative," Panfilov said. "They have a huge number of websites and blogs on the Internet, and the authorities aren't doing anything to stop them or to curb the spread of nationalism."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-russhate1-2008may01,1,3969154.story

Russia nationalists as it again.This brings back the article i posted here 4 weeks ago about the slaughter of 4 Kyrghiz nationals by those same Neo-Nazi.It seems like Moscow is getting more and more dangerous.Russia lost millions of its citizens in the great patriotic war against criminal Nazis but 63 years later,their authorities turn a blind eyes on those groups that cause havoc of people that they don't see as "true" Russians.Can't get it.

[epictetus]

I am postponing the vacation to Moscow. I like my throat the way it is, closed. And the media gives the Minuteman in here a hard time! Go figure.

[Afro-European]

I am postponing the vacation to Moscow. I like my throat the way it is, closed. And the media gives the Minuteman in here a hard time! Go figure.

You are right.I'm not gonna show up my black a$$ in Moscow soon either.I think US minutemen are saner than their Russian counterpart.

[Warlord]

Russia nationalists as it again.This brings back the article i posted here 4 weeks ago about the slaughter of 4 Kyrghiz nationals by those same Neo-Nazi.It seems like Moscow is getting more and more dangerous.Russia lost millions of its citizens in the great patriotic war against criminal Nazis but 63 years later,their authorities turn a blind eyes on those groups that cause havoc of people that they don't see as "true" Russians.Can't get it.

Why do you think it's become this way? Isn't it supposed to be that 7 decades communism should've turned every one person there color blind?

[Noble713]

You are right.I'm not gonna show up my black a$$ in Moscow soon either.

x2. I really enjoyed my first trip to Russia, but there's no way I'm going back until I can afford to hire one (or more) well-armed bodyguards. Considering what they do to these Central Asian folks, these jerk-offs would probably skin me alive.

[damagejackal]

Ross Kemp did a good documentary on neo nazi street gangs in Moscow

Part 1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rra6R8RUwy8

[socom6]

Well I have two friends from my country studying there, they have already been severely beaten.

Im not going to Moscow unless its a government sponsored trip with all the bells and whistles, otherwise the place is a no go for me.

[RallyPointCebu]

i've a plan trip to Russia.. i guess not... err.. id rather go somewhere else.

[eskachig]

This is a sad and new development in post-communist Russia. Seeing Russian teenagers with Hitler shirts is incredibly disturbing.

They aren't really nationalists, they're just racists without a clear understanding of what it is to be Russian.

[epictetus]

This is a sad and new development in post-communist Russia. Seeing Russian teenagers with Hitler shirts is incredibly disturbing.

They aren't really nationalists, they're just racists without a clear understanding of what it is to be Russian.

x2 The thing is that the current regime is creating this. Not directly, mind you. But this new nationalistic wind will produce this characters. And for a trip there, screw the bodyguards. You need to drive your own T72 like James Bondp-)

[Afro-European]

x2. I really enjoyed my first trip to Russia, but there's no way I'm going back until I can afford to hire one (or more) well-armed bodyguards. Considering what they do to these Central Asian folks, these jerk-offs would probably skin me alive.

Or afford some FSB guys to protect you. lol in my book,Moscow is the most dangerous place to live/visit for non-whites .

[Afro-European]

[quote]This is a sad and new development in post-communist Russia. Seeing Russian teenagers with Hitler shirts is incredibly disturbing.
On 9th Russia is gonna celebrate its victory over the Nazis.How ironic!!!

They aren't really nationalists, they're just racists without a clear understanding of what it is to be Russian.
What can't the Russian authorities take on those people? Are those right-wingers that powerful?

[bigvig]

As with everyone else, definitely not going to Moscow in the near future. I had a trip planned with my university for next year, but **** that.

[Igor01]

x2 The thing is that the current regime is creating this. Not directly, mind you. But this new nationalistic wind will produce this characters. And for a trip there, screw the bodyguards. You need to drive your own T72 like James Bondp-)

The regime is more preoccupied with its own survival if anything. There's a pretty tough crankdown on "nationalists" and "those instigating national intolerance". A number of well-known figures of various Russian nationalist groups have been arrested and by all indications they will face the full wrath of Article 282 of the RF Criminal Code.

What's producing the skinhead sentiment is the government's refusal to acknowledge the problem with national tensions in Russia due to an enourmous influx of illegals from Central Asia and the Caucasus, some of which are actively engage in criminal activities and drug trade. There are many cases when ethnic Russians are abused, beaten or even killed by "guests" even in Russia proper. Their strength is in organizing and sticking together while the Russians like any typical developed nation are atomized and are usually lost in the face of irrational violence. Entire Russian regions (usually in rural areas of quiet provincial towns) are taken over by Chechens, Dagestani's and Azeri's and the corrupt local authorities never acknowledge the problem let alone provide protection from violence and exploitation to the locals. This is what drives these youth to forming packs and "taking matters into their own hands". This is the most idiotic way to deal with the problem of course, as their victims are almost exclusively innocents and this type of "reprisals" damage Russia's image.

In short, yes, authorities are to blame, but not for quietly instigating this type of violence against non-Russians, but for not protecting the law-abiding citizens and creating enourmous frustration among ethnic Russians (and others who are also subject to the violence of various ethnic crime groups and "fraternities").

[The Balkan]

What can't the Russian authorities take on those people? Are those right-wingers that powerful?

Doubt most of them even care.

[eskachig]

[quote=eskachig;3219281]
What can't the Russian authorities take on those people? Are those right-wingers that powerful?They are arrested and persecuted when possible, but since they mostly engage in random street crime there is not much the authorities can do about the organizations themselves.

[Ulytau]

2-3 days ago i read at news about racist groups in Russia..

114 Ultra-Nationalist organization

150 Extreme-Rightist group and 70.000 Skinhead..

in 4 Month 38 people got killed from them..''Also these are offical numbers'' (Write this note right cause Russian Security Forces caught a 17 Years old boy cause he killed an Armenian later he confess he killed 17 people too''

People will accept or not but they gonna be threat for Russian people soon too at documentary movie one of Skinhead was sayin there is ex-soldiers,officers too so i bet they gonna be like a business ''drugs,money etc''

also numbers are sayin there is more then 500.000 people part of this groups.. ''Know some memories of Turks who visited,who doin job in Russia (Businessman etc) their first aim mosty beein money ''also they said how they escaped from them''

I hope Russia can solve this issue especially when they are really good about future of their country..

PS : There is Champions League final in Moskow i hope this idiots dont interest to abuse it too..

[Xaito]

there are nazi gangs everywhere.

[The Balkan]

Yea but Slavic Nazis are especially hillarious and ironic.

[randomguy]

How the **** is it Nazi gangs in Germany are banned yet in other places like Britain, France, Poland, Russia, etc, they are at Football matches all the time. Does this make any sense to anyone? Do these ****wads not read history books.

[Xaito]

How the **** is it Nazi gangs in Germany are banned
because of the history obviously - doesn't mean there are none though.


Yea but Slavic Nazis are especially hillarious and ironic.
and sad.

[Afro-European]

[quote]The regime is more preoccupied with its own survival if anything.
Survival? Against whom is it struggling?

There's a pretty tough crackdown on "nationalists" and "those instigating national intolerance".
I hardly read/hear about that.I remind you that i read Russian newspapers everyday.I got a Russian classmate who translate some for me.


A number of well-known figures of various Russian nationalist groups have been arrested and by all indications they will face the full wrath of Article 282 of the RF Criminal Code

Replacing that code with a "hate crime law" (US style) may be more effective.Don't you think?

What's producing the skinhead sentiment is the government's refusal to acknowledge the problem with national tensions in Russia due to an enourmous influx of illegals from Central Asia and the Caucasus, some of which are actively engage in criminal activities and drug trade
Russia has the largest board in the world,thus very difficult to secure it 100%.But with internal troops,board gurds and FSB,with high tech apparatus,the gov. could have done(can still do)better with protecting the central and Eastern(Chinese)borders.

. There are many cases when ethnic Russians are abused, beaten or even killed by "guests" even in Russia proper
Then why don't arrest and lock them up for life? or deport them right away and make sure they won't sneak in in the future?(photos,fingerprint,dna,etc)

In short, yes, authorities are to blame, but not for quietly instigating this type of violence against non-Russians, but for not protecting the law-abiding citizens and creating enourmous frustration among ethnic Russians (and others who are also subject to the violence of various ethnic crime groups and "fraternities").
They may not be instigating it but they fact they aren't moving a finger to solve this problem implies that this mess suits them.

[Igor01]

Survival? Against whom is it struggling?

They are not exactly struggling, but they are making sure that there's not a remote possibility of organized activities other than what's been blessed by the Kremlin. They stomp out everybody, good and bad.


I hardly read/hear about that.I remind you that i read Russian newspapers everyday.I got a Russian classmate who translate some for me.

You won't find much in newspapers, but Russian blogs are full of such info. I can dig up some links for you if you want. The thing is, the Russian media is self-censored to a large extent, just like the US media for example. They do not like to focus on the facts inconvenient to the regime, but use every opportunity to report hate crimes against non-Russians as this gives the Kremlin the justification to give it to the "nationalists" as they paint them, without taking the time to distinguish neo-nazis and Aryan supremacist from the groups advocating putting an end to illegal immigration).


Replacing that code with a "hate crime law" (US style) may be more effective.Don't you think?

Perhaps, but there's a good Russian saying that sums it up "The law is like a horse-cart, it goes where you steer it". The hate-crime article is almost never applied to non-Russians but is used extensively against Russians.


Russia has the largest board in the world,thus very difficult to secure it 100%.But with internal troops,board gurds and FSB,with high tech apparatus,the gov. could have done(can still do)better with protecting the central and Eastern(Chinese)borders.

You'd think that, but the problem is not the lack of the muscle to deal with the problem but the lack of the will to do so.


Then why don't arrest and lock them up for life? or deport them right away and make sure they won't sneak in in the future?(photos,fingerprint,dna,etc)

Read up on some of the very typical incidents, the town of kondopoga for example, you'll understand the issue better. Generally speaking, the ethnic crime groups and "fraternities" are well organized, not afraid to use extreme violence, and use the corrupt officials to get their way out of trouble. An arrest of an Azeri or Chechen criminal almost instantly results in a large mob of his "friends and relatives" at the police station as well as phone calls from the Police superiors, they very rarely remain in custody. Read what the Chechens did in Kondopoga, it pretty much sums up the problem. There were numerous similar cases all over Russia, from the Stavropol region all the way to the Far East.


They may not be instigating it but they fact they aren't moving a finger to solve this problem implies that this mess suits them.

You hit the nail on the head there, the current situation is actually giving the authorities an advantage of justifying their actions by declaring the imminent "fascist threat" and justifying wiping out any organized opposition that can even remotely be classified as "nationalist".

[CPL Trevoga]

2-3 days ago i read at news about racist groups in Russia..

114 Ultra-Nationalist organization

150 Extreme-Rightist group and 70.000 Skinhead..

in 4 Month 38 people got killed from them..''Also these are offical numbers'' (Write this note right cause Russian Security Forces caught a 17 Years old boy cause he killed an Armenian later he confess he killed 17 people too''

People will accept or not but they gonna be threat for Russian people soon too at documentary movie one of Skinhead was sayin there is ex-soldiers,officers too so i bet they gonna be like a business ''drugs,money etc''

also numbers are sayin there is more then 500.000 people part of this groups.. ''Know some memories of Turks who visited,who doin job in Russia (Businessman etc) their first aim mosty beein money ''also they said how they escaped from them''

I hope Russia can solve this issue especially when they are really good about future of their country..

PS : There is Champions League final in Moskow i hope this idiots dont interest to abuse it too..

Ulytau, what's up with Grey Wolf on your avatar?

[Annihilator9112]

Ulytau, what's up with Grey Wolf on your avatar?

it looks cool.

[INAT]

3 immigrants slayed in Moscow amid wave of ethnic violence

The title is alarmist.Hell I bet there is more "ethnic violence" 30 miles north of here in good old Los Angeles south between Mexicans and Blacks.

[Zmey]

3 immigrants slayed in Moscow amid wave of ethnic violence

The title is alarmist.Hell I bet there is more "ethnic violence" 30 miles north of here in good old Los Angeles south between Mexicans and Blacks.

OMG, someone saw thru the fog. One of 20 or so.

3 killed by skinheads... and how many murdered, raped, robbed by good old non-nationalist criminals in the same day? How many got hit a car? Committed suicides? Stabbed in domestic disputes? Infected by AIDS?


Lets not blow this out of proportion. Crimes like that are relatively rare. To become a victim of such crime you really have to be the wrong person in a wrong place, at the wrong time.

To all those who are cancelling trips to Moscow, I recommend reconsidering. There will be no skinheads or even criminals where you are going. None in hotels, museums, airshows, exhibitions, Kremlin, Red Square, cathedrals or caffees.

If you decide to take a bus to Lubertzy or Solntzevo in the middle of the night - you have 99% chance of getting robbed by regular non-racist criminal.

[Xaito]

it looks cool.

in case you don't know - the gray wolf has a meaning in turkey...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves

[Ulytau]

Ulytau, what's up with Grey Wolf on your avatar?

Annihilator9112 give enough answer about this issue i think also interest about wild life and Turkish mythology too..Owner of a Black Wolf and two rottweiler proud about it :D If we speakin about so called Grey Wolves group at 1980s everyone knows who supported them when they were slayed leftist youngs in Turkiye and been problem for government there was no problem today when left&right interest to be unite they start to be problem interestin isnt it? Still why i was sayin they mostly interest about drugs and other issues most of them using same things for gettin money and using young people for themselves ''check about very much about Gladio close history of Turkiye this is why i interest to warn Russian people about this issue their workin style is simple first they were little group then some beatin actions then 1-2 killing later serious trainin after who knows maybe they will be like an army and using terror organization style'' oh if you ask to me real reason of why i interest to use this avatar you can understand me if you watch The Mongol movie :D if you wanna know about my avatar history first avatar was Witch King if i remember true then Turk in first Turkish ABC then after watchin The Mongol movie it been Wolf ^^
oh how i forget also at 10 April used Bogazliyans Head Offical Kemal Beys picture.''Turkish National Martyr'' (who got executed from a law court under control of occupation forces 10 April 1919)