Grenade Launchers

[Michael RVR]

I know it doesnt totally translate, as not all GL's will fit on every other assault rifle, but what i'm wondering is what you all think in the way of the best way to do things ?

AG-36
Breach opens Laterally : Can take longer rounds
Weight : 3.3lb, 1.5kgs
http://www.seventy6er.de/bilder/div/idz/G36_closeup_klein.jpg
http://www.sasrogues.bravepages.com/Weapons/Assault/HKAG36/H&KAG3604.jpg

Doesn't look like it'd go well with an AUG though, with the pistol grip coming down too low. I've only ever seen AUG's with M203's mounted though.
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/arges/new5.jpg

What's interesting about this one is the sighting mech has been moved to the RHS of the weapon - making it useful for Left Handed Firers, something i've not seen before
http://www.hkpro.com/ag36spain.jpg

M-203
Pump Action, Breach Loaded : Weight: 3lb , 1.36 kg
Personally this is what i use, but only because they issue it to me ;)
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/M203A.jpg
http://www.cybershooters.org/dgca/images/M4/Diemaco203.JPG
http://www.lewis.army.mil/sbct-2/73rd%20web%20page_files/weapon8.jpg

GP-25
Muzzle Loaded
Weight : 1.5 kgs
http://simondog.com/Kafir/IMG_8268.jpg
(originally posted by PermskiiOMON)

I dont know of any other army using the 40mm in this way, "To destroy multiple targets, one operator can use the following technique: VOG-25P is fired on the curved trajectory first. Knowing that it takes from 10 to 12 seconds for the round to reach the target, the operator keeps counting, loads the second round - VOG-25 - and on "nine" fires it directly on the target. Both grenades detonate almost simultaneously. Such a technique may mislead the enemy and make him think that two operators were firing salvo."
http://club.guns.ru/images/gp25/19-sm.jpg

Ammunition : "Left is VOG-25P "Frog" round. VOG-25 is on the right. To destroy multiple human targets, the VOG-25P bounding round suits best."
http://club.guns.ru/images/gp25/7-sm.jpg

Loading the GP-25
http://club.guns.ru/images/gp25/9-sm.jpg

The whole round flies, Nothing to clear just safety on & reload another round :)
http://club.guns.ru/images/gp25/8-sm.jpg

The info on the russian rounds state the lethal range as being slightly bigger than the 40x46 round also.

What do you think? What have you used? Discuss.

[moughoun]

I'd take the 203, it's the one we use or to be precise the Diemaco m-203a2

[scm77]

M203 because it looks the best. ;)

[GazB]

I'd choose the Gp-25 as airburst HE Frag ammo is rather more effective than impact HE FRAG ammo and it has had an airburst round in use for more than 15 years now.

Muzzle launched there are no limitations on the length of the round and there is no stub or shell to remove so it removes a step from the reloading cycle.

It will clip on to any Soviet AK series rifle as quickly and easily as a bayonet.

[Michael RVR]

M203 because it looks the best. ;)

Because obviously looks are everything ;)

I'd actually be less inclined to go the M203 than the other two options, purely because of the limitations on the rounds length.

I know we had to switch 40mm flare rounds because the -203 couldn't fire the longer ones we had for the 79 - without partially disasembling the weapon to load of course ;)

[Flagg]

My only experience is with the M203

So I'll go with what I know.....

I found it surprisingly easy to operate and fire

[Gringo]

Having never fired an GL at all, and quite a few ppl here haven't but would have us think they have. I don't know.

However if I had to choose, I'd go for the AG36.

[Dutchman2]

We have the AG-36NL (=Nederland) attached under our Diemaco's since two years. Together with the British manufactured optical reflex sight, the AG-36NL is scary accurate. It can load many different purpose rounds, and it's easy to use. Only downpart is that it's isn't easy for lefthanded shooters to load.
The M203 looks fragile to me, but it should be okay, otherwise it wouldn't be in service for 30 years.
Holland tested different grenade launchers, but only the H&K AG-36 passed all tests. It would be more easier and cheaper for us to buy the Diemaco set-up, though.
The russian system looks effective also.

[perdurabo]

where is Polish Pallad system? :bash: :bash: :bash:
i choose AG-36 from this comparision way better than M203 you can put longer ammo in it.
funny thing i found that only 4countries produce their own underbarell GL
Poland with Pallad
Russia with GP25/GP30
Germany with AG36 (and 2 erlier but dont remember their names)
USA with M203
any other country makes underbarrel GL? (not AGLs or other GL)

[perdurabo]

GL wz 1974 Pallad 40mm
2 wersions selfstanding and underbarel
Pallad D (selfstanding)
http://acn.waw.pl/grom1/Pallad.gif

Pallad (underbarrel)
http://acn.waw.pl/grom1/KBGRANATNIKWZ74.gif
under AKM
http://www.zmt.tarnow.pl/grafika/granatnik_2.jpg
under Beryl

caliber 40x47 mm (not NATO)
rate of fire 8 strz./ min.
range 30-400 m
killing range 5-7 m
weight: 1,25 kg
length: 324 mm
lenght of barrel: 267 mm

ammo used:
NGO-74
NGC-74
NGB-74

[I love Rachael Leigh Cook]

I don't like the Diemaco M203 system. As you can see from the picture, the addition of another layer between the launch tube and the rifle barrel compared to the US M203 puts the tube too low on the reciever, making it needlessly uncomfortable to fire(thus less accurate) especially with a fixed stock and also heavier. The side mounted sights are delicate, ****e to breaking, and cannot be used by left handers without modification.

The supposed rationale behind this design is to prevent a hot rifle barrel from cooking off the grenade in the launcher. I think this is crap, since there's no way the rifle barrel can get that hot from 30 rounds. Who's ever heard of any Americans cooking off grenades in the launcher? We should have just adopted their M203 system and be done with it. The Dutch were smart to go with something else.

[Bombtrack]

I have only had experience with the M203 (Diemaco of course), and although its very simple to use, the Breech-loading aspect of it can be really awkward in confined spaces, so the the AG-36 looks like a good option.

What are all the differences between the Diemaco and American M203's?

[crazyman]

swing-opening weapons such as the M79, and AG-36 have a great advantage for use by team/squad leaders...longer rounds like gas, smoke and flares are great for marking targets. that being said, despite its handicap in this area the M-203 really is a great system...very easy to use

[Michael RVR]

Sorry it wont let me edit the poll, so i cant put in Pallad :oops:
Can you give us a rundown of why you'd choose the Pallad over other systems ?
What are the capabilities of the rounds it fires, and are they in the russian or western style ?

:)

[Sabre]

I said AG36 (UGL in the UK), but have never fired it, only 'played' with it. I think purely in the sense that can load longer rounds (eg para-flares) and have a pistol grip it is a better design. Plus, the pistol grip allows you to remove it from a rifle and use it stand-alone. Have heard some dodgy stories about blokes in Afghanistan travelling with one of them on their lap, just in case... :|

[moughoun]

I don't like the Diemaco M203 system. As you can see from the picture, the addition of another layer between the launch tube and the rifle barrel compared to the US M203 puts the tube too low on the reciever, making it needlessly uncomfortable to fire(thus less accurate) especially with a fixed stock and also heavier. The side mounted sights are delicate, ****e to breaking, and cannot be used by left handers without modification.

The supposed rationale behind this design is to prevent a hot rifle barrel from cooking off the grenade in the launcher. I think this is crap, since there's no way the rifle barrel can get that hot from 30 rounds. Who's ever heard of any Americans cooking off grenades in the launcher? We should have just adopted their M203 system and be done with it. The Dutch were smart to go with something else.

On the AUG the203 actually help's balence the weapon better imo

[Hydro]

I said AG36 (UGL in the UK), but have never fired it, only 'played' with it. I think purely in the sense that can load longer rounds (eg para-flares) and have a pistol grip it is a better design. Plus, the pistol grip allows you to remove it from a rifle and use it stand-alone. Have heard some dodgy stories about blokes in Afghanistan travelling with one of them on their lap, just in case... :|

How does the UGL feel on the '80? It looks as if it balances the weapon out quite well, though adding a few pounds on. Looks quite bulky though.

[Michael RVR]

On the AUG the203 actually help's balence the weapon better imo

Yeah nah it definitly does ;)

One other thing to consider is that the M203 is smaller (PI vers) and lighter than the AG-36. I'm not sure you really need a pistol grip on a GL, as long as you can steady the weapon. You're not sniping ;)

[dannyc]

only problem with the m203 that we're using on the steyr is the quadrant relfex sight. its nice on the range but is breaking out in the field.

[Michael RVR]

only problem with the m203 that we're using on the steyr is the quadrant relfex sight. its nice on the range but is breaking out in the field.

Yeah? I didn't have a problem with the one i carried for two weeks last year, but then i did try to not bash it around much.

Can you give any further dets dannyc ?

[dannyc]

yeh man,
ive carried one on and off since they came in service. late 01' was it? i cant remember.
personnaly, ive never had one that hasnt worked but ive seen heaps that just dont have the red dot. battery probs id guess, but im pretty sure the battery is suppose to last a year or so. just looked in all my GLA pams, couldnt find anything on battery life.
alot of the blokes would just prefer some iron sight of similar setup. if firing the GLA during a break contact etc most blokes just estimate the elevation and fire. or use the rivets on top of the sight.
another prob is that little cover that is on that wire lanyard sometimes gets knocked off/broken.
even if the soldier is trying to look after it, the sight still gets knocked around a bit. IMHO it just isnt robust enough, good sight and all... but not tough. still, if i was in a fight id like to have it ;)

few pics-

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/578_1086418108_f88-gla4.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/578_1086418001_f88-gla3.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/578_1086417854_f88-gla.jpg

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/578_1086417586_f88-gla2.jpg

[Zentrum Jagdkampf]

M203 because it looks the best. ;)

Because obviously looks are everything ;)

I'd actually be less inclined to go the M203 than the other two options, purely because of the limitations on the rounds length.

I know we had to switch 40mm flare rounds because the -203 couldn't fire the longer ones we had for the 79 - without partially disasembling the weapon to load of course ;)

Thats why i like the ag 36 too!

[Sabre]

Hydroquip wrote:
How does the UGL feel on the '80? It looks as if it balances the weapon out quite well, though adding a few pounds on. Looks quite bulky though.

I don't know how it feels on the SA80, only ever had a play on the diemaco. It tended to make that weapon a little front-heavy, but I would assume it does balance out the 80 quite well. Unfortunatley, I'm not the man to talk to on that point.