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ocean
05-02-2008, 12:08 PM
Hawaiian sovereignty seekers take over palace grounds

By MARK NIESSE, Associated Press Writer
Thu May 1, 5:15 AM ET

HONOLULU - Native Hawaiian sovereignty advocates briefly chained shut the gates of a historic palace, saying they were reclaiming land of the Hawaiian monarchy that was stolen during the overthrow of the kingdom more than 100 years ago.

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Unarmed security guards from the Hawaiian Kingdom Government group allowed only Native Hawaiians, students and the media to enter the Iolani Palace on Wednesday. Tourists, employees and the general public were kept out for hours until the conflict was peacefully resolved and the palace grounds reopened.

Hawaiian activists have long used the palace as the site for protests of what they call the United States' occupation of the islands, but never before had they physically taken control.

"This is our seat of government and always will be," said Mahealani Kahau, who was elected "head of state" of the group seven years ago. "As long as we have breath to speak, we'll be here.

About 60 people arrived at the palace Wednesday morning, sealed the gates with chain-link locks and hung yellow signs stating: "Warning! No trespassing. This is private property."

Police surrounded the palace, which is next to the state Capitol, but didn't force their way inside the fence. The protesters were locked out of the building itself and didn't do any damage to the grounds, which they consider sacred.

After more than six hours, the protesters agreed to end the blockade. No arrests were immediately made, but state officials said the protesters could still be charged. Protest leaders had said they were prepared to be arrested and would go peacefully.

The Hawaiian Kingdom Government is one of several Hawaiian sovereignty organizations in the islands, which became the 50th U.S. state in 1959. One of the most visible signs of protest across the islands is upside-down Hawaii state flags on display at members' homes, signaling distress.

"Hopefully the occupation today will make the people aware of the history of the Native Hawaiian people and the attacks on their land," said Trisha Kehaulani Watson, executive director of Kakoo Oiwi, another Native Hawaiian group.

The ornate Iolani Palace is operated as a museum. Hawaiian King Kalakaua built it in 1882, and it also served as the residence for his sister and successor, Queen Liliuokalani, the islands' last ruling monarch. She was later imprisoned there.

It was neglected after the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom in 1893 and restored in the 1970s as a National Historic Landmark. It includes a gift shop and is open for school groups and paid tours.

The protesters said they wanted to re-establish the palace as the seat of their government, and they plan to meet there daily to conduct the business of a sovereign Hawaii. They pledged to return Thursday, although they said they won't restrict access to the palace again.

"This is the manifestation of the frustration of the Hawaiian people for the loss of sovereignty and land," said state Sen. Kalani English, a Native Hawaiian who met with the protesters and brought them food. "This made a statement. It got the word out about the plight of the Hawaiian people."

Kippen de Alba Chu, executive director of Iolani Palace, said the building was originally used as the royal residence of the monarchy, not as the seat of government.

Only after the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom was the palace renamed an "executive building" to show that the old rulers were powerless, he said.

"It is historically wrong for any individual or group to state that the palace is to serve as a government building," Chu said. "We welcome any group who would like to celebrate the history of Iolani Palace and Hawaii's monarchy in a historically appropriate manner that embraces all visitors."

About 40 students from Halau Lokahi, a Hawaiian-focused charter school, joined the protesters, blowing conch shells and reciting Hawaiian chants.

"This is a crucial spot. This is where much of the injustice took place," said Hinaleimoana Wong, cultural director at the school.

The last significant conflict at Iolani Palace before Wednesday occurred in 2006 when sovereignty advocates clashed with flag-waving Statehood Day celebrants trying to sing "The Star-Spangled Banner."


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ocean
05-02-2008, 12:11 PM
Now we have Free Hawaii ?

helomech
05-02-2008, 12:15 PM
:bash:
GIve me a fvcking break!


"It got the word out about the plight of the Hawaiian people."

What?!
And how many locals feel this way about mean ol' whitey?Probably not that many.So they want the federal gov't and everything with it to leave?If so,it's not likely it will happen.What a bunch of idiots...what the fvck is this world coming to?

tbk107
05-02-2008, 12:36 PM
:bash:
GIve me a fvcking break!

What?!
And how many locals feel this way about mean ol' whitey?Probably not that many.So they want the federal gov't and everything with it to leave?If so,it's not likely it will happen.What a bunch of idiots...what the fvck is this world coming to?

There is a fair amount of racism directed at whitey on the Islands and yes some will tell you to leave.

helomech
05-02-2008, 12:41 PM
There is a fair amount of racism directed at whitey on the Islands and yes some will tell you to leave.

You know,when I was stationed there in the mid 80's,I never had anyone tell me to leave.I know not everyone on Oahu was thrilled the US military was there,but I never recalled these types of shennigans.
I wonder if these same types fel the same way about all the tourists that visit the islands

Ordie
05-02-2008, 01:03 PM
The free Hawaii movement was going on when I was deployed at Barbers Point. It was more of a Hawaiian Consciousness movement than anything else. People learning and preserving Hawaiian langauge, music, culture and norms. I would hear "Radio Free Hawaii" playing a good listing of 80's music but it was not radical.

There has always been a "local" vs. "Haole" dynamic in modern Hawaiian culture. Modern day Hawaiians (Locals) is made up of a polygot of cultures, ethnic backgrounds (Japanese, Filipinos, Chinese, Portugese, Puerto Rican, Hawaiians, Tongans, Samoans etc..) and even the local langauge, pidgin English, is an example of that.

There are also "family tribes" on the islands themselves. If anyone who ever attempted to do business in Hawaii, would understand this very well. Nothing gets done without the okay of the "chieftan" with guarantees of employing his familiy members. It acts more like a union than a mob.

I really could care less if Hawaii becomes independent. I doubt it will come to fruition.

RevengeSeeker
05-02-2008, 01:49 PM
I live on Oahu, sure hope they don't make me leave. :(

And yes, white people are really targeted by the Hawaiians but the reason you might not get racist offenses (usually verbal and occasional stares) is because the Hawaiians live in certain parts on the island; usually not the most dense parts; which is where the Whites and the Asians are. I used to get picked on by local Hawaiians during High School... not fun..

Ordie
05-02-2008, 02:34 PM
I used to get picked on by local Hawaiians during High School... not fun..

It's always good to have a Samoan football player as a friend.

Solomin
05-02-2008, 03:10 PM
One of my friends went to school there in 2002 and was drunk on his way home. He isn't the kind of guy to start fights, let alone even be part of one. He got his ass kicked by 3 Hawaiins and they told him it was because he was white.

dragonlord
05-02-2008, 03:43 PM
I live on Oahu, sure hope they don't make me leave. :(

And yes, white people are really targeted by the Hawaiians but the reason you might not get racist offenses (usually verbal and occasional stares) is because the Hawaiians live in certain parts on the island; usually not the most dense parts; which is where the Whites and the Asians are. I used to get picked on by local Hawaiians during High School... not fun..

Oh yeah? Which school, brah? I went to Kaimuki.

Bulldogs!!! woot

Parx400
05-02-2008, 03:47 PM
Now we have Free Hawaii ?

Anyone that has been to those Islands knows that Hawians are way to lazy to start an uprising. If they did so they would actually have to work and run a country. Any of you guys stationed at Pearl know what im talking about.

eskachig
05-02-2008, 03:58 PM
:bash:
GIve me a fvcking break!

What?!
And how many locals feel this way about mean ol' whitey?Probably not that many.So they want the federal gov't and everything with it to leave?If so,it's not likely it will happen.What a bunch of idiots...what the fvck is this world coming to?Why is it so strange to you? Americans overthrew the local kingdom and some folks are still mad. Every conquered people the world over has some resentment, it's just the way of things.

And yes, Hawaiians resent white people as anyone growing up on the islands could tell you.

Ordie
05-02-2008, 05:04 PM
Anyone that has been to those Islands knows that Hawians are way to lazy to start an uprising. If they did so they would actually have to work and run a country. Any of you guys stationed at Pearl know what im talking about.


And yes, Hawaiians resent white people as anyone growing up on the islands could tell you.

Some of the best people I worked with in the Navy are Hawaiians. I never had any problems in Hawaii and was treated well when traveling about the Islands.

The islands are small and issues come up from time to time.

I'm dying for some Zippy's Chili right now.

philbob
05-02-2008, 05:19 PM
Oh god...zippy's brah....anyway its irrelevant...by the end of the century the hawaiian's as an indegious people will be extinct, along with countless other tribes. It really has nothing to do with Americans, Japansese, or anyone else..its just the nature of things..... one day American culture will no longer exsits how it exsits now. They are fighting a lost war instead of foucsing on how to make the next generation or wave work for them

RevengeSeeker
05-02-2008, 07:17 PM
Oh yeah? Which school, brah? I went to Kaimuki.

Bulldogs!!! woot

What a coinkidink... surely you know Ms. Akamine? :) Its funny how everytime I say I'm from Hawaii people start saying "brah" this or"bruddah" that to me... lol, not everyone speaks that way here y'all know. (Just saying this in general, not at dragonlord):P

The Hawaiian race is dying. Their "pure" people are dropping in numbers and I think its safe to say most of them have "mixed blood". They have to go to school to learn their native language as for most them their first language is English... pidgin. There's also the issue of the Kamehameha Schools which only except students with at least part Hawaiian blood which is technically against the US law (I think) but we let them do it anyway because they'd probably be in a bigger mess without it.

Not all Hawaiians are the stereotypical rude, lazy, fat, and obnoxious bunch. A couple of my friends are Hawaiians and they were pretty nice and very caring as well. But I will never forget those a**holes who bothered me in the past and today whenever I go into one of those "ghetto" areas.

Schpetzka
05-02-2008, 08:43 PM
At least these idiots are peaceful about their nonsense. I like Hawaii and will gladly put up with little stunts like this so long as they don't resort to violence and trying to physically kick us haoles out.

Euroamerican
05-03-2008, 12:54 AM
I find the thought of characterizing Hawaiians as fat and lazy about as stereotypically anti-whatever as calling saying "drunk Indians". That's just not right. On the other hand, I've been told by two different gringo buddies that they got some anti-white action when they were over there...

One dude was about as white as Edgar Winter and it happened in the late eighties. The other guy, just last year they're driving down the road and homies are flipping him the bird as he drives by.... And, he looks half Native American.. I figure it's just an anti-tourist thing.

Lee
05-04-2008, 09:04 PM
Hawaii will never be free from outside powers because it is way to strategic. Whoever controls Hawaii controls the pacific. If U.S. leaves some day then you know who will control the islands and then as much as Hawaiins hate whites they will wish they had whites back again.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
05-04-2008, 09:28 PM
If it's good enough for Kosovo it's good enough for Hawaii. Lets be honest Hawaii was no small backwater as proof by the recognition by both France and the UK which were at the time were the global superpowers of the day.

"On the 28th of November, the Hawaiian commissioners obtained from the governments of France and England a joint declaration to the effect that—


" 'Her Majesty the Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and His Majesty the King of the French, taking into consideration the existence in the Sandwich Islands of a government capable of providing for the regularity of its relations with foreign nations, have thought it right to engage reciprocally to consider the Sandwich Islands as an independent state, and never to take possession, neither directly nor under the title of protectorate, nor under any other form, of any part of the territory of which they are composed.



http://morganreport.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=503-517#XVI._Also_the_following_extracts_from_the_history_of_the_hawaiian_islands.2C_by_james_jackson_jarves.2C_published_in_1846.

RevengeSeeker
05-05-2008, 02:44 AM
Think I read somewhere that the UN recognizes Hawaii as the Kingdom of Hawaii and not a state of the US. And that the "Kingdom of Hawaii" have been trying to sue the US in some supreme court thing in Europe for years.

ocean
05-05-2008, 12:02 PM
That article is here:

http://www.hawaiiankingdom.org/

Kampfbaer
05-05-2008, 12:48 PM
So the motto should be: Free Hawaii, get the USA out? :-)

I´m sure our Chinese friends will love this.

It will be interesting to read about hawaiin history though.

Xaito
05-05-2008, 01:01 PM
what goes around comes around p-)

RevengeSeeker
05-05-2008, 01:58 PM
It will be interesting to read about hawaiin history though.

Hell no! lol. They've been stuffing that into our brains since early grade school and they're still making us take a course on it in college! :bash:

(I'm sick of Hawaiian history... no offense to the Hawaiian members here though.:))


what goes around comes around p-)

At least we're not killing them like someone else is doing to their minorities.... *whistles* I actually saw this coming from a mile away.

Ordie
05-05-2008, 02:01 PM
what goes around comes around p-)

I and most Americans don't care because many have played with the idea of separating itself from the union. Especially Californian politicians who always quote that its state alone is the 7th largest global economy.

ronaldo413
05-05-2008, 02:06 PM
what about peurto rico guam virgin ilsand etc

Ordie
05-05-2008, 02:15 PM
what about peurto rico guam virgin ilsand etc

Its up the the Boriquenos, Virgin Islanders and Guamainians to decide.

Puerto Ricans had several referrendums on it status, (Statehood, Indpendence, Status Quo) everytime its the status quo.

Many locals on these islands value the benefits of being a US Citizen. The fear is, if independent, the privilages and rights of being a US Citizen goes away.

For Guamanians, they don't want to end up as the Philippines. Likewise for Puerto Ricans, they don't want to end up as the Dominican Republic.

Xaito
05-05-2008, 02:22 PM
At least we're not killing them like someone else is doing to their minorities....
Yes because you haven't been given reason to do so.
If they started violence and killing people I wonder if there would be any choice for the USA.


*whistles* I actually saw this coming from a mile away.
Hawaii wanting independence or my comment? ;)


I and most Americans don't care
I wonder.
I'm sure there are people who don't care - but at the same time I'm sure there are lots of people who do care - even if its only because of principle (never give in to demands etc.).

Ordie
05-05-2008, 02:49 PM
I wonder.
I'm sure there are people who don't care - but at the same time I'm sure there are lots of people who do care - even if its only because of principle (never give in to demands etc.).

Unlike the centralized model of the Chinese Government and Communist Party, the US Federal system allows for greater devolution of authority.

That is to say the states and territories have a greater role in local policymaking and governance. Moreover, the seats in Congress (Senate / House) is determined by state representation. Congress controls the money and states have a large influence how those revenues are spent on infrastructure projects.

Therefore the motivation to split is mitigated by the fact that states and territories have local control. For example, the governors of each state and territory does not answer to the President but its own constituency.