"Detachment One"

[budanski]

The U.S. Marine Corps new commando unit will be called "Detachment One" and based at Camp Del Mar in California. The unit has 86 men, including five Navy corpsmen (medics). The unit will begin training with SEALs in October and be ready for action in April, 2004.*

Anymore info on this is appreciated.

[96B]

Most of its men were supposedly hand picked because they were the cream of the crop within Force Recon, and I believe there are SS guys in there as well. All of them have already had years of experience and are NCOs with the best credentials. The USMC wanted the best group of guys to get the unit started off, but since it is SOCOM I really would like to see a seperate training program for them such as a USMC type BUD/s or just simply send them through with the SEALs if possible since their mission profiles will essentially be the same.

[Scrim]

I doubt they will send veteran Recon Marines to BUDs with SEALs, thats kind of like sending a Green Beret to Air Force basic training! Whats the point?
By the way, good luck at Boot Camp Semper Fi, be the grayman, and dont forget to ask your receiving DI to put you in Fourth Bn.

[96B]

Thats an excellent point, but I didnt type it out how I meant it! I was thinking that since this is a SOCOM unit, perhaps once it gets rolling finally, they dont have to recruit from only the most experienced and every Marine or at least 03' can try out for it and you do not have to have all that experience and can go directly into the unit. Well, seeing as how they have nothing but the best guys in it, this unit should be extremely top notch.

Thanks for the support! Im actually assigned to 3rd Batallion, but at night I sleep in 4th Batallion racks :lol:

[FallenAngel]

...I thought Force Recon already trained along side SEALs...

if so, all this really is really is a group of Marines going to SOCOM.

[Piccolo]

Just to note, Force Recon runs it's own training, they do not need to attend BUD/s. I'm speaking about Force Recon recruits that is, not the new unit. The new Marine unit, as far as I know, will be named USMC SOCD (Special Operations Command Detachment).

[HMMcrewchief]

Semper Fi, It will probably be a few weeks before the 4th looks that good. After a while anything starts looking good. But hey maybe things have changed rofl

[James]

Sleeping with 4th BN... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Zach R.]

So, is it supposed to be a CT unit? Is it intended to specialize is land, sea or both? So let's see here, SFOD-D, Devgroup, SEALs, SF, Detachment 01, Rangers, AFSPECOPS, Force Recon. Mess with the best, die like the rest(Don't pi$$ us off or yer toast).

[Duke]

SOCOM has a particular niche for DET 1, company grade deep or immediate amphibious operations. SEALS since JUST CAUSE have disdained multiplatoon ops and for obvious reasons Rangers undergo seasickness more readily when compared to Marines. Extremis hostage rescue has been dropped from MEU's training cycle. So, watch DET 1 for 20 to 200 man amphib assaults.

[Chops]

I see my old mate Zach R is back. So have you stopped talking **** yet mate?

with love, kisses and a bit of a grope...

Chops

[Apogee]

I heard a rumor that Det1 may also pickup the CP mission. Have you heard anything about that Duke?

[JiJoMacLE45]

No way! Only Delta can wear mirrored sun glasses and cargo pants.

[Duke]

No, but that makes a whole lotta sense. What I know is that JSOC's deep recon teams have CP FTXs in their workups. On a sidenote: If the scuttlebutts true, then SF chem det units(not USMC's CBIRF, their NBC det unit) are doing the instruction to maintain SOC's SOP in NBC detection.

[Zach R.]

Sup Chops. Yeah, I've stopped. I taped the footage off of Fox and played it a few times until I was sure it was Dyncorp or Blackwater, or whatever you guys said.Alright this is really starting to pi$$ me off! This damn Popup blocker ain't blocking crap! It just makes more stuff come up!

[GG]

Except for the first post virtually everything posted here is incorrect. The correct unit name is MCSOCOM Det 1
Neither CT or CP are the units primary missions
There are only 86 men in the Det andwill be no more than that. So no 200 man raids.
They will train with the SEALs but will not attend BUDS

[Duke]

Neither CT or CP are the units primary missions
You are incorrect. Since the Gulf War one of the missions of deep recon(primary) involves assays (secondary) for weapons such as VS, VX, aflatoxin for J2 cycling.
As for the 86 Marines, are you that naive to believe SOCOM will cap DET 1 to 86?? This is the base force number.

[GG]

Duke, quite frankly you don't know what you are talking about. The Det is not doing Force's mission and yes, 86 is all we get, for now. At this point it is only a proof of concept.

[Duke]

If you don't know what I'm talking about, then why claim knowledge on DET 1 or Recon SOP. In addition, DELTA, SEALS, and ST6 became operational with approximately the same number ~85.

[GG]

I said YOU don't know what you are talking about and, YOU don't.
I am not some kid who plays Ghost Recon, or saw the movie Navy SEALs. My cousin's boyfriend's ex-wife's brother isn't in the Det. I don't sit around all day and dream up stuff to post on here. I am just posting facts. The Det is what it is and it is not what most people are posting on here that it is. It is 86 highly professional Marines embarking on a two year proof concept. At this point there is no plan beyond that. This isn't the place to get into what they are going to be doing, but I can tell you that they will not be supporting the MEU, they will not be dedicated CT forces, and CP is not in their purview either. Sorry if that bothers you, but those are the facts.

[GG]

for J2 cycling...
Is like in the circus where bears ride unicycles?

As for the 86 Marines, are you that naive to believe SOCOM will cap DET 1 to 86?? This is the basic force number...
Sorry again, only about half of the Marines in Det 1 are Reconnaissance Marines...
You really make my day. I now look forward to coming home and seeing that you continue to insist that you are right when you are completely wrong.

[Ratamacue]

GG, Duke isn't some computer-gaming wannabe moron. I'm pretty sure that he's a US Marine who knows quite a good deal of stuff (correct me if I'm wrong).

How is it that you have so much inside information on DET.1 to be able to discount what Duke is saying?

[GG]

It is not inside information, if you deal with this kind of stuff on a regular basis. It is just that I am a WHOLE lot closer to the issue than Duke.

[digitalghost]

let me get this staright:

Army has DELTA doing hostage rescues, SF doing SF stuff, and Infantry doing infantry stuff

Navy(marines is under navy) has DEVGROUP doing hostage, SEALs doing SF stuff, and Marine infantry doing infantry stuff

Where does this DEATCHCNMETN 1 fit in?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Dominique]

No, but that makes a whole lotta sense. What I know is that JSOC's deep recon teams have CP FTXs in their workups. On a sidenote: If the scuttlebutts true, then SF chem det units(not USMC's CBIRF, their NBC det unit) are doing the instruction to maintain SOC's SOP in NBC detection.

Actually the US DOE has providing the training for both the military and FBI's HRT and "enhanced" SWAT teams.

[Apogee]

Army has DELTA doing hostage rescues, SF doing SF stuff, and Infantry doing infantry stuff

Navy(marines is under navy) has DEVGROUP doing hostage, SEALs doing SF stuff, and Marine infantry doing infantry stuff



SF does UW, SR, and DA. But they concentrate on UW. This makes them SOCOM's premier UW force.

The SEALs on the other hand don't do very much UW at all. But do much more DA and SR then SF. Their lack of focus on UW (which is not a bad thing in any sence) can be seen by their lack of language training.

Hows that for only speaking in acronyms.

[Duke]

Actually the US DOE has providing the training for both the military and FBI's HRT and "enhanced" SWAT teams.
NEST does cross train with DoD personnel, however, SOCOM/USMC have organic assets used as trainers, as I have noted.


Hows that for only speaking in acronyms.
Very good Cadet, learn Acronymese.

GG,
One at a time.

Sorry again, only about half of the Marines in Det 1 are Reconnaissance Marines...
First what are talking about Force Recon? If you reread my posts I never mention them. Are you confusing the term "basic (actually base) force" with Force Recon? I thought you're in the military--basic force(base) is a military term used to denote the minimum number of personnel to pass muster.
Second, Marines for years have postulated a unit within SOCOM.
For example an old paper by COL Laster...


Author: Major James B. Laster, U.S. Marine Corps
Thesis: The nation's unified command responsible for special
operation is deprived of the unique maritime capabilities of
Marine Corps forces. The nation and Marine Corps would benefit
by providing certain Marine units to the U.S. Special Operations
Command.
Background: The U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) is a
unified combatant command that exercises command over Navy, Army,
and Air Force special operations forces based in the continental
United States. Unlike the other unified commands, USSOCOM is
responsible for the training, combat readiness, and certain
administrative functions of assigned forces. As a result, the
Marine Corps is reluctant to assign forces to USSOCOM for fear
that the Marine Air-Ground Task Force (MAGTF) commander would
relinquish authority and responsibility to train and equip his
forces. The U.S. Navy Sea-Air-Land Forces (SEALs) have profited
by their relationship with USSOCOM and have actually expanded in
their roles and functions within the naval service. This
expansion has in many ways caused unnecessary duplication between
the Navy and Marine Corps to the extent that we now have two
naval infantries. The reason for this is simple; the USSOCOM
requires a maritime special operations team, and the SEALs are
the only players eligible for the draft. Providing certain
units, such as the force reconnaissance direct action platoons,
would increase the Marine Corps' employment in a maritime
situation and would increase interoperability with special
operations forces during joint campaigns.
Recommendation: The Marine Corps should provide direct action
platoons of the force reconnaissance companies, radio
reconnaissance platoons of the radio battalions, and riverine
assault craft units to USSOCOM. Another viable solution is to
integrate these units with the U.S. Navy Special Warfare Command
to form a Maritime Special Warfare Command that reports to
USSOCOM....
COL Laster wrote this paper back in 1993. Today, it is the blue print of DET 1. And if you're so damn close why didn't you cite this paper. Furthermore, why are you so confused by J2?

[GG]

Long story short. Glad you read a paper once.

I apologize for misreading your post. I suppose it was my glee at finding u wrong. You did not refer the the Det 1 guys as Recon.

As for the J2 thing. It is called sarcasm...and btw, I still think you are a knucklehead...