Kurdish Terrorists to start suicide attack on Americans

[Karaahmetoglu]

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=141052

I know topics about Turkish nationalism are being closed down but this has to do with Americans and Turks and PKK (note not Kurds just PKK). Also sounds like Turkey hit the right spots!

[SilentType]

That would be a bad move by the PKK. They would have a good deal of the moderate Kurds that might be sympathetic walk away from them and end up fighting two enemies in a two front war they can not win. If they do attack the USA it will be a move based on emotion and not logic, but terrorists aren't the most rational of people so it's possible.

[Karaahmetoglu]

That would be a bad move by the PKK. They would have a good deal of the moderate Kurds that might be sympathetic walk away from them and end up fighting two enemies in a two front war they can not win. If they do attack the USA it will be a move based on emotion and not logic, but terrorists aren't the most rational of people so it's possible.

To be honest I think they are saying this to scare the Americans. Will not work Americans are smarter then this, other then GWB. They are trying to make the Americans not give info on there positions to Turkey. I really would like to know America's stance on this.

[LaoSexMachine]

Oh well. They aint the first and certainly will not be the last.

[Glock 9mm]

The BBC said that prior to the ides of March 2003 Iraq would allow the Turks to go over the border to discipline the Kurds that were getting too nationalistic.

Apparently after the ides of March 2003 the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Now where did my plans go for rebuilding Babylon and generating lots of work???

[LRPV]

Perhaps Argyll could comment here. I was of the understanding coalition forces, specifically US command had limited Turkish aspirations in northern Iraq. Seems short-sighted to bite the hand that feeds you...

[Glock 9mm]

Perhaps Argyll could comment here. I was of the understanding coalition forces, specifically US command had limited Turkish aspirations in northern Iraq. Seems short-sighted to bite the hand that feeds you...

The Coors Light effect is impairing my message deciphering skills :( Turkey was against the invasion of Iraq. She is part of NATO though and allows the US to land, fuel, ship supplies, etc. through Turkey. Plus Turkish businesses ship tons of vehicles to Kurdi-Iraq and goods to shiny new Kurdi-Iraq malls.

I don't understand what you mean when you say US command and control has limited turkish aspirations. It must be this Coors Light beer.

Biting the hand that feeds you also makes no sense to my beer bogged mind. Who's hand? Who's feeding who? Who's biting who? Why are there no bubbles in my beer?

Long live the ottoman empire! Long live Kurdistan! Long live Armenia! Why doesn't my Coors Light Live longer!!

[Homer]

Smells like cheap Turkish propaganda.
Last Friday's attack on the PKK wasn't the first time the US had shared intelligence with Turkey, so why would they now, after all the past attacks and even the incursion into northern Iraq, threaten to attack American interests?
Did the Turks hit something important this time, and all the previous attacks against the PKK in Iraq were just hits against empty hiding spots?
And this allegedly coming from the Iranian Kurd group, who is allied with the Americans?

[4X4Driver]

Seems short-sighted to bite the hand that feeds you...

You don't actually mean "US feeding PKK" now...do you? cuz the thread is about PKK (a terror org. also on the US's terrorists list) turning onto US.

It is ismportant that the regular kurds and PKK is not mixed up here. ;)



Did the Turks hit something important this time,

Although it isn't confirmed yet..but yes, there are info about Murat Karayilan was killed in the latest ops.


Led byThe current leader is Murat Karayilan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Karayilan). Abdullah Öcalan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_%C3%96calan) (also known as "Apo") was one of the founders and former leaders

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Karayilan

[LRPV]

[quote=4X4Driver;3225692]You don't actually mean "US feeding PKK" now...do you? cuz the thread is about PKK (a terror org. also on the US's terrorists list) turning onto US.

It is ismportant that the regular kurds and PKK is not mixed up here. ;)



Quite so. My bad. I'll send myself off into a corner with a dunce hat...and drink Coors (but not light) until I learn to focus....

[Peris]

Smells like cheap Turkish propaganda.



very cheap indeed:)

[deli_dumrul]

Smells like cheap Turkish propaganda.
Last Friday's attack on the PKK wasn't the first time the US had shared intelligence with Turkey, so why would they now, after all the past attacks and even the incursion into northern Iraq, threaten to attack American interests?


This is not the first time. They have been threatening US (and Israel also) for a long time now.



Did the Turks hit something important this time, and all the previous attacks against the PKK in Iraq were just hits against empty hiding spots?


Yes, it is alleged that we did kill high ranking terrorists. And to answer your second part of your question, if you are a foot soldier nobody cares.



And this allegedly coming from the Iranian Kurd group, who is allied with the Americans?

PKK/PJAK is the same organization.

[deli_dumrul]

very cheap indeed:)

Are you still lying to your kids how we shot your heli at Imia?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1652628&postcount=104

[deli_dumrul]

very cheap indeed:)



Kurdish rebels threaten suicide attacks against US

By YAHYA BARZANJI – 1 day ago

QANDIL MOUNTAINS, Iraq (AP) — Kurdish rebels could launch suicide attacks against American interests to punish the U.S. for sharing intelligence with Turkey after Turkey bombed rebel bases, a spokeswoman for a wing of a rebel group warned.

Turkey's military said more than 150 Kurdish rebels were killed in Friday's air strikes against bases of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, on Mount Qandil on the border of Iran and Iraq. Peritan Derseem, a senior official of the rebel group's Iranian wing, PEJAK, claimed that only six people were killed in latest Turkish strikes.

The PKK fights for autonomy in Turkey's southeast and also has a wing fighting for Kurdish rights in Iran.

Derseem blamed the United States for helping Turkey in an interview late Sunday.

She said some rebels want to join suicide squads to avenge the deaths of their comrades but that "combatants are under the control of the organization," which she said is against such attacks. That may change, Derseem hinted.

"We have changed our stand toward the United States government and we are standing against them now," she said. "Maybe some day ... individual combatants might launch suicide attacks inside Iraq and Turkey, and even against American interests."

Kurdish rebels have staged several suicide attacks against Turkish targets in the past in Turkey.

The United States has labeled the rebel group a terrorist organization and supports Turkey's fight against the group. The conflict has killed nearly 40,000 since it began in 1984.

Derseem claimed that her group was acting independently from the main branch of the PKK.

"We have common goals with the PKK and the two parties follow the principles of Chairman Abdullah Ocalan," who is imprisoned on a prison island near Istanbul, Turkey. "But we have our own decision making."

The Turkish military has launched several air assaults on Kurdish rebel targets in northern Iraq in recent months. In February, it staged a ground offensive that lasted eight days. Since then, clashes between rebels and Turkish troops have erupted along Turkey's border with Iraq.

Until the most recent air raid, the military had not announced an operation that penetrated into Iraq as far as Mount Qandil.

"They want to annihilate us. But we will not surrender," said Derseem. "We have been hiding in caves and nearby mountains."

The rebels said the Turkish jets fired more than 50 missiles at the site and demolished some buildings, including a meeting hall, a library and a media center.

Iranian artillery units have also been shelling Mount Qandil in recent weeks, Derseem said. Craters said to be left by Iranian shelling were visible on a mountain path leading to the rebel camp.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jgHlNyqkkFl1OfEaM9pFNeolkWDAD90FH6200

[deli_dumrul]

The Coors Light effect is impairing my message deciphering skills :( Turkey was against the invasion of Iraq. She is part of NATO though and allows the US to land, fuel, ship supplies, etc. through Turkey. Plus Turkish businesses ship tons of vehicles to Kurdi-Iraq and goods to shiny new Kurdi-Iraq malls.


Yeah, we thought if the region prospers, terrorist activities would automatically decline. What a fn mistake.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fdThYj-2G7M

15:20 Hilarious!
22:04 Shows what Barzani actually is

[Peris]

Are you still lying to your kids how we shot your heli at Imia?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1652628&postcount=104



what do mean we are lying? weren't the Turkish commandos celebrating in front of the cameras waving an M60 that they shot a chopper(with no guns on it).?

[deli_dumrul]

what do mean we are lying? weren't the Turkish commandos celebrating in front of the cameras waving an M60 that they shot a chopper(with no guns on it).?

Not only have I not seen any video of those commandos (please humor me by posting one) but I also don't understand how the heck you deduced waving an M60 means a heli is shot. Must be because of cheap Greek propaganda.

So either back up your claims when you say cheap propaganda or go back to your Macedonia thread. :backhand:

[Ulytau]

Cheap propaganda?

Hmmm maybe we need to speak about some passports,some so called united nation camps,some deputies or some retired generals who visited Bekaa Valley right? Or some stories before EVERY TOURISM SEASON..

About this news directly from PKKs own agency ''still when i remember PKK supporters comments at their news site only laughing'' Also they were saying Turks used an American bomb which produced at 2001,Bomb is aganist war rules and have some chemical things or something ''Soon they will be cancer cause they were walkin around of the pwned bases'' (Speaking one of the their leader funniest one) '' I prefer we gonna use 60 beautiful bomb which modified for Turkish F-16s ^^ ''

I seen some questions about why they didnt do anything when Turkiye doing air strikes or operations;

There was an attack to American Officer in the Northern Iraq he flee and wanted help from Turkish base our soldiers saved him from this attack..''There is some Turkish bases in the Northern Iraq normally they were there for keepin peace between Barzani and Talabani''

Sorry but when there is some topics like that mostly some dudes tryin to change subject i said before if someone support PKK they need to say it DIRECTLY plz dont imply then..

What kind of propaganda we need can i ask?Members of this forum deputies or miniters? Blaming to PKK will change anything or their supports?

We speaking about 24 years also we know enough when PKK joined to terrorist list and have enough documents and their supporters or memories of the soldiers are enough then so plz do not try to play ''POOR''

HORRAY i wrote to this topic before closed too woot

[Peris]

Not only have I not seen any video of those commandos (please humor me by posting one)



you tell me that you didn't see ANY Turkish frogmen vids from Imia?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLmxZmjF30

check 01:44.




here is one of the commandos celebrating drinking:


http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/8576/snapshot20070206020153br6.png

[deli_dumrul]

Wow, soldiers saluting the camera. They must have shot down a Greek heli.

Why don't you cut the crap and tell me if the expert analysis after the crash contains any evidence of an attack? Or why don't you tell me why the hell the family of Christodoulos Karathanasis (the pilot) asked your military to keep the autopsy report (the report that showed the guy was suffering from heart issues) a secret.

Now, who is doing cheap propaganda!

[deli_dumrul]

here is one of the commandos celebrating drinking:


http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/8576/snapshot20070206020153br6.png

A hot cop of tea after a cold night. Now, that is indeed a celebration.

[Ulytau]

A hot cop of tea after a cold night. Now, that is indeed a celebration.

Also i watched this news rememberin clearly..It is about Simitiss book..

He was saying Imia and Ocalan issues were MISTAKE..This scene must be taken at Bodrum if i remember true people givin hot tea to soldiers and welcomin them..

[Hollis]

Talk about going off the reservation.

From PKK to Greece and Turkey hostilities.