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Amethystfretchen
05-07-2008, 06:22 AM
I have found this page about Fallschirmjägerbataillon 252.
In the equipment section there is a picture of an east german Wieger assault rifle:
http://www.hotbarrel.de/deutsch/struktur/ausrustung/ausrustung.html

Can somebody provide actual pictures of Bundeswehr soldiers armed with wiegers?
Thank you.

REMOV
05-07-2008, 06:42 AM
Can somebody provide actual pictures of Bundeswehr soldiers armed with wiegers?Bundeswehr use it only for training purposes like in this live-action role-playing game when the German lider have to negotiate with some rebel warlord.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4987/weiger94001gv1.thdotjpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4987/weiger94001gv1dotjpg)

Amethystfretchen
05-07-2008, 07:20 AM
Interesting. I thought I had read somewhere that all where destroyed in the early 90s. So there seem to be some left.
Thank you for fast answer.

Zyankali
05-07-2008, 10:29 AM
The Bundeswehr still uses some eastern equipment for training and educational purposes.

Pictures of german SA-6 (still in use):

Pic 1 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Kilovolt_de/IMGP5593dotjpg)
Pic 2 (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/Kilovolt_de/IMGP5597dotjpg)

-Max2-
05-07-2008, 10:48 AM
It seems that combat divers used the Czech-made Skorpion SMG too :

http://www.hotbarrel.de/KS_AUSRdotjpg

TheGunner
05-07-2008, 02:01 PM
Bundeswehr use it only for training purposes like in this live-action role-playing game when the German lider have to negotiate with some rebel warlord.


This is now.


But back in the 90´s :


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c61/Schutzmann/wiegerWEB-1dotjpg

Pille1234
05-07-2008, 03:39 PM
This is now.


But back in the 90´s :

That's just foreign weapon training, not standard equipment.

AirCommando
05-07-2008, 05:46 PM
I have to mention that this Wieger assault rifles in the pictures mentioned before were used by the former German B1-Kommando Coy from Fallschirmjaegerbataillon 252 in this context. They used it as foreign-weapon-drill item.

Gunge
05-07-2008, 06:32 PM
never heard of it, why would combloc make a 5.56x45mm?
or was it 5.45mm?

edi213009
05-07-2008, 06:35 PM
never heard of it, why would combloc make a 5.56x45mm?
or was it 5.45mm?

For Sf.behind enemy lines,using captured ammo or magazines.it looks like it has a Stanag magazine

CanuckZ
05-07-2008, 08:03 PM
These are sold in the USA to civilians. Well at least the Hesse Arms clones.

haze99
05-07-2008, 11:56 PM
Hello Ed! Your reply is incorrect.
The DDR Weiger-series was to be for export and was to have been sold to India in the early 1990's. (this was based upon a request by India for such a rifle.) But, the DDR went into history and the contract was voided.

Amethystfretchen
05-07-2008, 11:58 PM
never heard of it, why would combloc make a 5.56x45mm?
or was it 5.45mm?

Best summary of all the rumors I have found till now:



I have been following the Wieger STG 940 story for 20 years myself; it’s just like a long detective story.

This is what people used to believe back in 1989.


Originally Posted by hcpookie
If you are a purist collector like me, you'll know that the STG was built by E. Germany in 5.56. The orders never shipped and the originals were destroyed or melted down when E. Germany adopted the AK-74 like the rest of the USSR.

This is the official version between 1990 and 1996:


Originally Posted by Jim Benson – American Survival Guide
The East German Weiger STG-941 was originally made by the East Germans for export to the government of India in order to raise capital for the former communist nation’s faltering economy. Unfortunately for the East Germans, the Indians decided to continue with the M-16s and all 12,200 Weiger Kalashnikov rifles that were produced were destroyed when the Berlin wall came down and East Germany ceased to exist.

Without the footnote, this is the official account from 1997 onward.



Originally Posted by Luka
The STG 940 series was an East German (DDR) effort to secure an Indian Army contract just before the Berlin Wall came down.

Originally Posted by Luka
After the Wall came down, the newly united German government felt embarrassed about the former DDR weapon export deals, and any further AK type weapons export was prohibited.

Germany had to pay millions in contractual penalty to India because it didn't fulfill the deal. Wieger went out of business soon after, and most of the STG 940 went into the shredder!

Footnote

Many say that it was HK who didn't want another military small arms manufacturer in the United Germany, but they got hit themselves by the cancellation of the G11 assault rifle and went down as well, and was soon purchased by Enfield of England.

When you do your research online on this subject, you need to check the date of the material carefully, or you will be looking at some obsolete material.

And for the HK part of the story, because it’s mostly based on speculations, there are many different versions, but this seem to be the one most people agreed on now.

Is there any proof of it? Of course not! If you have the solid proof, you will be rich and powerful in Germany now. You may even be able to get away of murder over there, and that’s not an understatement!


source: http://www.gunco.net/forums/f3/wieger-941-clones-available-soon-30767/


Wieger pics from some japanese catalog:
http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1800/1851.htm

REMOV
05-08-2008, 01:08 AM
The story about Weiger is - according to some sources - not accurate. The first country who bought Weiger StG 942 assault rifles (folding stock, 419 mm barrel length) was Peru, not India and ca.2 000 rifles were delivered in late 1980s for police and military units. Then was the second contract with India, and East Germany send ca.7 500 StG 941 assault rifles there (fixed stock, 419 mm barrel length), before the Wall collapsed. Then, in July 1990 the factory in Suhl was closed, the West German cancelled the contract and payed the penalty and the last remaining 6 000 rifles were destroyed in 1992 (some of them were send to the museums, military academies, Bundeswehr training facilities, and some units).

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3489/fusilesfuerzasespecialeuf9.thdotjpg (http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3489/fusilesfuerzasespecialeuf9dotjpg)
The Peruvian 5,56 mm Weiger StG 942 assault rifle

TheGunner
05-08-2008, 02:30 AM
That's just foreign weapon training, not standard equipment.

No. Not just for FWT.


used by the former German B1-Kommando Coy´s

Yes.

AirCommando
05-08-2008, 05:29 AM
Yes, I´m sorry. There were four German B1-Kommando Coy´s back at that time.

TheGunner
05-08-2008, 06:55 AM
Yes, I´m sorry. There were four German B1-Kommando Coy´s back at that time.

Well... ;) ... 3

252,261 and 271 wich was deactvated and reactivated as 313 in `93.

AirCommando
05-08-2008, 08:14 AM
Well... ;) ... 3

252,261 and 271 wich was deactvated and reactivated as 313 in `93.

Nagold, Lebach, Iserlohn (?), Varel. Yes, you are right. But four in the historical context. Anyway, good job.

edi213009
05-08-2008, 10:08 AM
thnx Chris.
i like this Wieger.it looks good.maybe it succeded in making a good light Ak in 223 rem and also kinda looks modern.Galil was the same but i think it gained too much weight,if im not wrong.
Wish it survived the reunification

Amethystfretchen
05-08-2008, 10:16 AM
The story about Weiger is - according to some sources - not accurate. The first country who bought Weiger StG 942 assault rifles (folding stock, 419 mm barrel length) was Peru, not India and ca.2 000 rifles were delivered in late 1980s for police and military units. Then was the second contract with India, and East Germany send ca.7 500 StG 941 assault rifles there (fixed stock, 419 mm barrel length), before the Wall collapsed. Then, in July 1990 the factory in Suhl was closed, the West German cancelled the contract and payed the penalty and the last remaining 6 000 rifles were destroyed in 1992 (some of them were send to the museums, military academies, Bundeswehr training facilities, and some units).


So are there still Wiegers in service anywhere on this planet? Picture proof would be nice of course...

By the way... It's Wieger and not Weiger, because the Wiegers where assembled in Wiesa/Germany. Suhl was only producing some parts. (no criticism, just for the case you don't know)
Source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wieger

Amethystfretchen
05-08-2008, 12:33 PM
About Suhl I must correct myself. There they produced not just some parts, but THE parts.
That is a thuringian rifle, woot
the Saxons where just allowed to plug it together... rofl
No Suhl no Wiesa. But Wieger sounds better then Suhger.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/icons/icon10dotgif.

Amethystfretchen
05-09-2008, 12:28 AM
I seems that combat divers used the Czech-made Skorpion SMG too

And here we have some Dragunovs:
http://www.hotbarrel.de/Edotjpg

mazda
05-09-2008, 11:52 AM
seems, that the first guy have romanian romak

RS_Leo1A5
05-09-2008, 04:38 PM
I once had such a Wieger in my hands. It was in late 1998 and my unit (4th company, armor battalion 383) was posing as Serbian soldiers guarding a weapons storage facility in an SFOR training scenario. We had a number of different AK-type guns as props, among them several Wieger rifles.

jhon
04-14-2009, 10:05 AM
Is there a disassembled image of the WIEGER STG 940 gas tube?
Thank you.

Amethystfretchen
04-14-2009, 11:41 AM
Don't know. But I have a question too. This is the link I had posted already:

-> http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1800/1851.htm

I see translucent polymer magazines. Question: When was this used first?

He219
04-14-2009, 11:53 AM
Bundeswehr use it only for training purposes like in this live-action role-playing game when the German lider have to negotiate with some rebel warlord.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4987/weiger94001gv1.thdotjpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4987/weiger94001gv1dotjpg)

Hehe, I remember posting that one in Today's Pix - May 21st, 2007:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1117/bild02640pf1dotjpg

Practicing communication skills with (mock) village mayor. Hauptfeldwebel Andreas Meiler(r.) in Verhandlungen mit dem "Dorf-Bürgermeister" (Quelle: Diepholzer Kreisblatt)

http://militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27211&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1179800810 (http://militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27211&d=1179800810)
Hey! I can't believe all you Kalashnikov kidz missed this one! (It is a rare piece!) The soldaten in civvies has a DDR Weiger STG-940 gewhre!
Good eye. STG-942 Karabiner
Very rare indeed, supposedly since the 10,000 made were destroyed after reunification
(less a couple the Bundeswehr kept).
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wieger