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Afro-European
05-07-2008, 05:47 AM
I've just followed live on CNN the inauguration ceremony of Dmitry “baby face” Medevedev as the new Russian president but Putin and his "Siloviki"(very powerful people that have military or secret services background) are still around.
A short history of the Russian politics

In 1996, Boris Yeltsin(r.i.p.) run on preventing communists to return to power. He won. For the record, the communists fully backed him in 1990 when he was elected as the first Russian president within the USSR. But in 1993, when they threatened to impeach him becoz of his erratic behaviour and ill thoughts plans ,he ordered the ground forces to bomb the democraticly elected parliament. Case closed.

In 2000, Czar Vladimir (Ras)Putin *sarcasm* run on crushing Chechen terrorists and stabilizing the then collapsing Russia.Which he successfully did. He won. But three years later, he abruptly dismissed Alexander Voloshin from his post (chief of the presidential administration) replacing him by...Dmitry Medvedev. For the record, in 1996,Voloshin took the then unknown Putin from St.-Petersburg to Moscow where he managed to get him the post of vice-chief of the presidential administration(under Yeltsin). Case closed.

In 2004, Vladimir Putin run on developing the economy and standing up against the “dominant” West. With the full backing of the oligarchs, he got overwhelmingly re-elected but when Berezovski, Khodorovski and other “skis”started pulling the strings behind the scene, Putin got them(rightfully) jailed and others fled abroad(to this day). For the record, back in December 1999,those same oligarchs persuaded Yeltsin to stand down and hand-over power to the youthful and energetical Putin.
After the Beslan massacre, he seized that opportunity to change the constitution which allowed him to appoint governors (instead of them getting elected),further strengthening his grip on the country.Case closed.

In 2008, Dmitry Medvedev run on “enhancing” human rights, freedom of speech, freedom of press, diversifying the gas-oil based economy, combating the rampant corruption and reducing the oversized and inefficient bureaucracy. He got 71% of the votes.

The pattern here is that Russian presidents tend to take on those that made them “kings” once they feel threatened by them.
But Medvedev will have in front of him the Silovikis ,those ex-KGB and FSB agents that control the armed forces, secret services(SVR, GRU,CGA),security services( FSB, Internal troops, border guards, Omon, etc) and other big businesses.
Then comes Putin himself, who will leave office with enormous political capital and new institutional prerogatives that at the very least will make him the most powerful prime minister the country has ever seen as chairman of the United Russia party.
Through the party, Putin will control both houses of parliament, which can impeach the president and regional governors. He will also be master of Russia's vast bureaucracy and state-controlled companies whose ranks are full of his loyalists.
Given all these facts, my questions are:
-Will Medvedev be able to deliver what he promised during his campaign?
-Will the Siloviki let him implement his plans as he sees them fit(even when they go against their interests)?
-Will he take on them if he feels threatened or have a solid base?
Let's share some thoughts on this.

Medvedev taking the oath in Kremlin
http://www.itar-tass.com/img/news_img_12655318_0001.jpg

Snoshi
05-07-2008, 05:59 AM
Like you said, i have a feeling that Medvedev will "turn against" hes former master.

themacedonian
05-07-2008, 06:06 AM
Given all these facts, my questions are:
-Will Medvedev be able to deliver what he promised during his campaign?

if he does deliver what he promised then he will do what Putin has been all along.

People are too obsessed with Russian politics. Let the people be.

mosh
05-07-2008, 06:12 AM
Like you said, i have a feeling that Medvedev will "turn against" hes former master.

i don't know about that one, putin is a pretty scary guy, not someone you want to mess with

themacedonian
05-07-2008, 06:15 AM
Like you said, i have a feeling that Medvedev will "turn against" hes former master.

But then he will have to bomb the parliament with Putin in it like Yelstin did. This will not happen as Putin will reduce the power of the president as part of his plan to turn Russia into parliamentary democracy.

Afro-European
05-07-2008, 06:33 AM
Like you said, i have a feeling that Medvedev will "turn against" hes former master.
Not likely.He doesn't have a solid base to do that.

Afro-European
05-07-2008, 06:36 AM
[quote]if he does deliver what he promised then he will do what Putin has been all along
Putin wasn't able to diversify the oil-gas based economy but managed to develop it somewhat.

People are too obsessed with Russian politics. Let the people be
I'm not obsessed with Russian politics,i just made an observation on ow things are going over there.Don't forget that Russia is a big player on the international scene.

perdurabo
05-07-2008, 07:18 AM
Not likely.He doesn't have a solid base to do that.
now, but if medvedev has IQ atleast comparable to a chair leg he will build up his own base, secretly digging under Putin, i think 1st year he will be quiet but with time passing he will start flexing "muscles".

Afro-European
05-07-2008, 07:29 AM
now, but if medvedev has IQ atleast comparable to a chair leg he will build up his own base, secretly digging under Putin, i think 1st year he will be quiet but with time passing he will start flexing "muscles".
Putin is Medvedev's "political father".If Medvedev is successful,Putin will step aside.imo,he jus wants to make sure that Medvedev won't be as horrible as Yeltsin was.

Codazo
05-07-2008, 08:03 AM
Like you said, i have a feeling that Medvedev will "turn against" hes former master.
I don't think so... Russians love Mr. Putin I can't say the same about Medvedev. So my guess is if Putin wants to take the power back he could do it.

ting
05-07-2008, 08:30 AM
I`m watching it live on NRK right now, and it`s an impressive show. I feel like going to Moscow to take some pics!woot

Or is it live? No matter it`s a great show.

Stonewall71
05-07-2008, 08:34 AM
http://www.livevideo.com/video/APnews/9FB5E48130E54BCA84513BB0C1490A9D/russian-president-dmitry-medve.aspx


;)

sosed
05-07-2008, 08:43 AM
This is first time in russian history that man with this big power normally leave office and give power to new elected one. This is big step forward to democracy. I know west don't like Putin and they have him for autocrat and dictator. He is very strange autocrat and dictator that with all his popularity he didn't change constitution to take third term in office and just normally leave this big autority and power that president have. He must have very strong will to not to fall in obsession for power.

I hope Medvedev is enough intelligent to continue with wise politics.

TheArmenian
05-07-2008, 10:28 AM
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5532/1204982ys6.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7827/1189488vk1.jpg

Stonewall71
05-07-2008, 12:50 PM
Dmitry Medvedev's inauguration, full version (52 minutes!!!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak40X7zp-uA

Afro-European
05-07-2008, 04:12 PM
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5532/1204982ys6.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7827/1189488vk1.jpg
lol just like Putin in the GRU headquarters
http://img.rian.ru/images/5548/81/55488152.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03oLglCaWh8O0/610x.jpg

daily666
05-07-2008, 04:14 PM
One thought. How long this double-rule will last? And who's gonna overthrow the other one.

Flamming_Python
05-07-2008, 04:22 PM
One thought. How long this double-rule will last? And who's gonna overthrow the other one.

Hopefully neither, they are on the same team and I hope it stays that way. Of course the West will love to lure him away :D

It's not the first time power has been shared in Russia. It has happened plenty of times in 20th century Russia/USSR.

jokuvaan
05-07-2008, 05:41 PM
I think only very sudden unpredicted evens could cause problems for this dual system.
When very fast decisions needs to be done on matter that has not been pre-agreed.

RomanS
05-07-2008, 06:08 PM
Congratulations to Dmitriy Anatolievich

May you continue on what Vladimir Vladimirovich was doing!

Hat off !

Afro-European
05-07-2008, 06:27 PM
One thought. How long this double-rule will last? And who's gonna overthrow the other one.
As long as Medved wouldn't take measures that would threaten/weaken Russian national security.

Afro-European
05-07-2008, 06:31 PM
I think only very sudden unpredicted evens could cause problems for this dual system.
When very fast decisions needs to be done on matter that has not been pre-agreed.
I'm sure backroom deals have already been sealed to prevent problems. Medvedev,lacking a solid base,needs Putin to control all the "clans" in the Kremlin until he can stand on his own feet.

Mr.Flint
05-07-2008, 06:35 PM
Preved Medved!

BW2
05-07-2008, 09:58 PM
Congratulation's to Dmitry Medvedev on his new Presidency post and good luck to Putin in his (very near) future post as Prime Minister of Russia.

eskachig
05-07-2008, 10:01 PM
Looking forward to years of constant bear puns.

INAT
05-07-2008, 10:05 PM
Long live the bear! What perfect symbolism for Russia the country was refered to as the bear and now they have one in office.

wwcollect
05-08-2008, 12:07 PM
secret services(SVR, GRU,CGA)

What's CGA?

Googled it, stands for many things, including China Golf Association.

Lokos
05-08-2008, 12:27 PM
Looking forward to years of constant bear puns.

You're assuming it's widely known in the world that Medved means Bear :)

Or do you mean within Russia itself?

Lokos

Afro-European
05-08-2008, 12:45 PM
What's CGA?

Googled it, stands for many things, including China Golf Association.
Stand for Government Communication Agency,formerly known as FAPSI(Russian electronic intelligence)the equivalent of the American National Security Agencey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAPSI

Loke-Gao-Zhu
05-08-2008, 06:07 PM
Russia really needs to focus on its domestic problems, and I wish Medvedev best of luck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeK6spOIVro

afreu
05-08-2008, 06:09 PM
...as part of his plan to turn Russia into parliamentary democracy.

Let's not get too high-spirited here, start with some little things like freedom of the press before daring something as big as a true democracy.

asch
05-08-2008, 10:11 PM
Let's not get too high-spirited here, start with some little things like freedom of the press before daring something as big as a true democracy.
you mean non-existant now ancient greek democracy, or one of present day mutations?

eugekava
05-08-2008, 10:33 PM
I heard opinions that the only reason Putin endorsed Medvedev is that Medvedev is weak and has no power base unlike some other candidates. That would allow Putin to effectively control Medvedev making him a pawn and nothing more.

Is there any truth to this?

LETMEIN
05-08-2008, 11:05 PM
Like you said, i have a feeling that Medvedev will "turn against" hes former master.
I can assure you he'd get his brains blown out all over the place.

afreu
05-09-2008, 12:59 PM
you mean non-existant now ancient greek democracy, or one of present day mutations?

I'm speaking of basic preconditions for a modern democratic system.

asch
05-11-2008, 01:52 AM
I'm speaking of basic preconditions for a modern democratic system.
nay, you label it as "true democracy". sorta chauvinistic for me.

Loke-Gao-Zhu
05-11-2008, 03:02 AM
if Russia were in 3 kingomds era

Putin is Cao Cao
Medvedev is the helpless little emperor :(