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Ordie
05-08-2008, 03:37 PM
Immigrants Face Discrimination, Abusive Fair Housing Policy In Nebraska

Brentin Mock (http://americancity.org/daily/author/72) | Mon, May 5, 2008
The Nebraska Equal Opportunity Commission recently brought to Attorney General Jon Bruning’s office a case involving Hispanic tenants who were asked for driver’s licenses when non-Hispanic tenants weren’t asked for the same. The tenants’ seemed to have a legitimate grievance based off the Fair Housing Act’s prohibitions against discrimination on the basis of national origin. But Bruning resentfully declined the case saying, “I’m not going to use taxpayer dollars to file lawsuits for illegal aliens.”
Meanwhile, the original sin – a landlord requesting ID on a discriminatory basis – was buried.
Bruning’s refusal to take up Hispanic tenants’ housing complaints has already cost the Nebraska Equal Opportunity Commission a threatened loss of funding from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. Lawyers from both fair housing and immigrant advocacy groups are considering suing Bruning for abusing fair housing policy. Immigration cases have historically been the sole domain of federal government, but lately some federal courts have been affording state governments their own sway over immigration control.
Last year, Bruning and Nebraska Governor David Heineman, both Republicans, tried to push legislation that would deny social service benefits to immigrants, but were denied by a committee from the unicameral legislature. Opposing immigrants collecting welfare benefits is one thing, but leaving families without housing would seem to come back and financially bite the state anyway if health, crime or other social costs are the consequences.
Navigating the legality of Bruning’s stance is mystifying. Immigrants are certainly covered by the 5th amendment (right of persons; no person shall be … deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law) and the 14th amendment (equal protection; no State shall … deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws) even if undocumented. But the U.S. Supreme Court has yet to rule on this as pertaining to the Fair Housing act.
Bruning argues that the 1996 welfare reform law prohibits states from providing any kind of social benefits or assistance to non-citizens. Since Bruning is refusing legal service, not actual housing – the landlord’s violation – he believes that he falls within the law. There’s still the argument that as state attorney general, he has a duty to protect based off the 14th amendment. After all, if every state attorney general applied the same logic, employers, landlords, hospitals and school administrators could discriminate against anyone who even appeared to be an immigrant (namely people who speak Spanish, have a Spanish accent or who were seen at last week’s immigration protests).
Federal courts are reluctant to intervene in matters like these, due to state prosecutorial discretion. However, there are clauses in the Fair Housing Act that say one can’t make “unavailable or deny, a dwelling to any person because of race, color, religion, ***, familial status, or national origin … or discriminate … in the provision of services or facilities in connection therewith.” But it’s unknown how these clauses would be applied to a situation like this, according to fair housing lawyers.
The broader implications of this remain to be seen. There are bi-racial American citizens who will suffer as they may be mistaken for illegal immigrants. Those of low income—your typical renter—won’t be able to afford private lawyers in these cases. In states where immigration inflow is much greater, such as in the southeast, fair housing law organizations may not be able to handle an avalanche of immigration cases.
With protected discrimination comes increased house crowding and homelessness. The social costs would lead to what Bruning supposedly wants to prevent - tax payer dollars used for “illegal aliens”—even though this assumes that undocumented workers aren’t taxpayers themselves.
It would be unfair to label Bruning a racist. He’s against a court decision that allowed reinstatement for former state trooper Robert Henderson who was found to be a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Bruning argued, “A man who embraces racism and white supremacy shouldn’t be allowed to carry a gun and a badge.”

If Henderson doesn’t get his police job back, hopefully he won’t become a landlord.



Source:http://americancity.org/daily/entry/820/

noname
05-08-2008, 04:34 PM
<P>Illegal immigrants or legal ones?&nbsp; That is the question that doesn't appear clear in this one-sided article.&nbsp; If illegal, I say good for Bruning.&nbsp; If not, well shame on him.&nbsp; The real travesty here is the sue-happy nature of people.&nbsp; </P>

Yeti2424
05-08-2008, 05:53 PM
99% of articles about immigration will use the word immigrant or undocumented immigrant instead of illegal immigrant. They forget that there are still legal ways to come into the United States.

Ordie
05-08-2008, 06:15 PM
99% of articles about immigration will use the word immigrant or undocumented immigrant instead of illegal immigrant. They forget that there are still legal ways to come into the United States.

The issue is one of consistency.

The landlord asked driver's licence from Hispanic tenants when non-Hispanics were not asked.

Moreover, the State AG dropped the case on the prejudicial assumption that the plaintiffs were undocumented.

2Sheds_Jackson
05-08-2008, 06:51 PM
Who the hell rents to someone without requiring an ID?

Ordie
05-08-2008, 06:57 PM
Who the hell rents to someone without requiring an ID?

Good question.
Is it a prerequisite to drive a car to rent an apartment?

Karl_Kroenen
05-08-2008, 07:16 PM
You, like the article, are confusing ID's with driver's licenses.

The state can issue an ID which isn't a driver's license.

Considering the possible dangers of renting an apartment to someone who can't provide legal identification, the renters' actions seem perfectly sensible.

Shadowstorm
05-08-2008, 07:39 PM
IMO, they should check everybody's ID and not just Hispanics. Because who knows those guy's who hadn't checked there ID's, but still giving those people houses and apartments and don't know if they belong in this country or not.

Ordie
05-08-2008, 07:53 PM
IMO, they should check everybody's ID and not just Hispanics. Because who knows those guy's who hadn't checked there ID's, but still giving those people houses and apartments and don't know if they belong in this country or not.

I agree.
It a question of consistency and fairness.

Shadowstorm
05-08-2008, 08:20 PM
That's what they should do instead of this crap.

T3ngu
05-08-2008, 08:22 PM
I agree.
It a question of consistency and fairness.

In Australia it can be hard, particularily with a shortage of houses on the market.

My wife and I sold our house to build, and we already owned another house, yet we had to have referees, and provide all sorts of ID to rent.

We hated renting and being treated like second class citizens. However, as a property owner you really want to be careful, IDs are a must for all.

2Sheds_Jackson
05-09-2008, 02:05 AM
Good question.
Is it a prerequisite to drive a car to rent an apartment?

Well just in purely situational terms...if the landlord just saw the applicant drive into the apartment complex, get out of their car and walk into the apartment, it may be a fair assumption that yes, they should have a driver's license. But I think we'd be looking at the same lawsuit here whether they asked for a driver's license, a state issued photo ID, or any other form of photo ID.

So, let's hurry up and do what we always do in this egalitarian wonderland - either remove the last remaining bit of freedom from the business owner to exercise personal judgment by requiring that all ID be checked, or even better, remove the business owner's ability to check any ID at all, since if the applicant couldn't produce a valid ID, who knows what prejudicial and discriminatory assumptions the landlord could make. :|

Ceriy
05-09-2008, 09:35 AM
<P>Illegal immigrants or legal ones?&nbsp; That is the question that doesn't appear clear in this one-sided article.&nbsp; If illegal, I say good for Bruning.&nbsp; If not, well shame on him.&nbsp; The real travesty here is the sue-happy nature of people.&nbsp; </P>
It is about illegal immigrants.

The landlord asked driver's licence from Hispanic tenants when non-Hispanics were not asked.This was according to that Hispanic couple.


Moreover, the State AG dropped the case on the prejudicial assumption that the plaintiffs were undocumented.The couple ultimately asked Bruning not to prosecute because they feared it would draw the attention of immigration authorities. Their names have not been publicly released.
http://journalstar.com/articles/2008/05/01/news/local/doc481a4a77a5f9e808535053.txt#cancel

vryhpyammoadded
05-09-2008, 09:56 AM
That was a crappy article. After reading it, I was left asking a ton of questions of just why the writer failed to mention a number of details I would find important.
Did the landlord throw anyone out or had he only checked ID’s and if so, did he throw out all Hispanics or just the ones not able provide legal ID? These are only a couple…

Ah… Thanks for the link Ceriy!

I’ve read nothing in that article supporting that the landlord discriminated due to “national origin”. Instead Mr. Mock makes it sound to me as if a businessman was protecting his income based on “an immigrant’s legal status” and that some lawyers/plaintiffs/journalist think they’ve got a great way to bully someone namely Mr. Bruning, the real target of this crappy manipulative corrupt innuendo.

The more these immature, ignorant collectivists continue to corrupt and twist the legal foundations of the US away from protecting the individuals right to life liberty and property, in this case the business owner, the sooner we all will fall into the dystopian totalitarian nightmare of the lefts fantasy world and the inevitable violent, destructive barbarism that will revolt against it.

Dasein
05-09-2008, 11:58 AM
From reading the article, the initial complaint - that the landlord was placing additional requirements on Hispanic tenants was never addressed because AG Bruning decided he did not want to investigate complaints he assumed were made by illegal immigrants.

So, there's really two issues involved here:

1. Is the landlord justified in askig Hispanics to provide a driver's license or other ID, while not making the same request of non-Hispanics? This seems like a clear violation of equal protection in housing laws should it prove true. Were he to ask for such ID from all prospective tenants, this would be fine, but legally, he cannot place additional requirements on potential tenants solely because of race or ethnicity. This is pretty cut and dry.

2. The AG was out of line in refusing to investigate because of his claims that he did not want to spend taxpayer's money on 'illegal immigrants'. Regardless of one's stance on immigration, the US Constitution is very clear that all people are equally protected.

2Sheds_Jackson
05-09-2008, 02:11 PM
The more these immature, ignorant collectivists continue to corrupt and twist the legal foundations of the US away from protecting the individuals right to life liberty and property, in this case the business owner, the sooner we all will fall into the dystopian totalitarian nightmare of the lefts fantasy world and the inevitable violent, destructive barbarism that will revolt against it.

Oh snap that's good stuff.



1. Is the landlord justified in askig Hispanics to provide a driver's license or other ID, while not making the same request of non-Hispanics? This seems like a clear violation of equal protection in housing laws should it prove true. Were he to ask for such ID from all prospective tenants, this would be fine, but legally, he cannot place additional requirements on potential tenants solely because of race or ethnicity. This is pretty cut and dry.
I think based on the law this is probably true. But the law, and whether he is justified or not are two different things. To my mind, the landlord owns a business, and he is assuming risk on behalf of a 3rd party - and therefore if he is comfortable assuming risk in one case, and maybe not as comfortable so he asks for ID in another - he's perfectly justified to do that. It's his fortune that he's risking. But I think the law is pretty clear that we cannot exercises our personal choice in this sphere of commerce.



2. The AG was out of line in refusing to investigate because of his claims that he did not want to spend taxpayer's money on 'illegal immigrants'. Regardless of one's stance on immigration, the US Constitution is very clear that all people are equally protected.

Well, here's the start of that dystopia that vryhpyammoadded is on about. What is happening here, is that the landlord - a private citizen - feels like he is forced to perform what is essentially a governmental function himself. He has no confidence that the government is able to ensure that only valid, documented Americans come to apply, and so he himself is having to function as an immigration status check of sorts.

Our law is written under the assumption that landlords need not worry about the legal immigration status of their applicants. They're supposed to be entitled to a government that effectively controls immigration and can assure them that each of their applicants is legal and is entitled to be here. Certainly a landlord can't discriminate based on national origin....but I think they're definitely entitled to do so based on legal status. Who's going to come rescue them if the tenant is an illegal, and steals every light fixture, appliance, all the copper wiring, and burns the place down? The government? I'm not saying an illegal is any more likely to do that - but it would be damn near impossible to chase somebody down who doesn't even legally exist in the country.

The system has essentially broken down, and the chaos has begun. The burden has shifted to the man on the street - right now the battle is being fought in courtrooms, but it's not so hard to envision it becoming more serious, if economic conditions worsen.

vryhpyammoadded
05-09-2008, 03:20 PM
Ethically I think Dasein is correct in that it was Attourney Bruning’s obligation to prove without a doubt if laws were violated or not. I’m always for direct confrontations that trounce and destroy the lefts hypocrisy which this case could have forced. But, in his inaction, when especially combined with his comment, he provided room for people like Mr. Mock to spread there innuendo and manipulative articles promoting the collectives injustice against individual property. So yes, I agree Bruning is a lazy schmuck who should be run out of office on a rail but not for the reason Mock would.

The real legal question I’ve had for decades related to this is, do I own my property or does the government? The left and Mr. Mock’s article imply that ultimately the state owns it, therefore, I and everyone else are slaves and the state could take everything if it pleases. I take great offense to this and suspect the concept to be ultimately very unconstitutional.

Really, what I see is the legislative system failing us, forcing the courts to make the decisions. What do we do when the courts refuse to do this job as the injustices grow? Clearly the owner made his decision and rightfully so seeing the government refuses to properly address the illegal immigration issue.

With chaos comes opportunity and wealth. The politicians are both manufacturing chaos for want or laziness and profiting while individuals who attempt to make decisions to protect their property and wealth from the chaos get screwed.

I’m digging in, turning my back and disappearing with Atlas as we shrug…