How to kill a human being

[INAT]

http://www.tv-links.cc/redir4.php?l=aHR0cDovL3ZpZGVvLmdvb2dsZS5jb20vZ29vZ2xlcGxheWVyLnN3Zj9kb2NJZD04NjcyNzQ1Nzc3ODA5Mzk0NjM3JmF1dG9wbGF5PTE=


Interesting documentary
Former British MP investigates the science of killing and how to take life in the most humane way possible.Seeking to find out what it is like to be executed by the methods states use today and how to imporve standards.

[BugHunt]

Interesting cheers for that....

[Martial]

I can't fathom why anyone would care how humane the execution of a condemned person is. Honestly, why does it matter?

[Createdeemcee]

I can't fathom why anyone would care how humane the execution of a condemned person is. Honestly, why does it matter?


Because Butterflies, Rainbows and Gumdrops care, you should too!

[LRPV]

I can't fathom why anyone would care how humane the execution of a condemned person is. Honestly, why does it matter?

Maybe after the anger dies the guilt remains....

[mudbunny]

What this sounds like to me is someone TRYING to justify the guilt that they have to deal with AFTER they've executed someone.
That's what it sounds like to me.

[the_hog]

Just string the ba$tard$ up.

[KEEPER0311]

Really, taking a life no matter how "humanely"...is still inhumane.

[Winger]

Because Butterflies, Rainbows and Gumdrops care, you should too!

And don't forget the CareBears!

The idea of how you kill someone is truly secondary to the idea of killing in the first place. Of course you don't wish to inflict undo torture such as quartering but whether you shoot someone or electrocute them is a trivial debate, their pain is momentary.

[MrScruff]

To be fair I don't think it's unreasonable not to want people's faces to melt off when they're electrocuted, or for their head to come off when they're hanged

[little icebear]

Of course you don't wish to inflict undo torture such as quartering but whether you shoot someone or electrocute them is a trivial debate, their pain is momentary.

I think electrocution can be quiet close to torture. If I had the choice I´d rather take a bullet.

[Gulag]

Really, taking a life no matter how "humanely"...is still inhumane.

Blah blah blah...:roll:
The whole nature is based on killing...

[RallyPointCebu]

uhm.. if the society wants to kill a person... needs a humane method as possible...

i think shooting in the head is humane enough for me.

[Winger]

I think electrocution can be quiet close to torture. If I had the choice I´d rather take a bullet.

If it's done "right" like we over here then they lose all consciousness and sense of pain immediately.

[IDF_TANKER]

I can't fathom why anyone would care how humane the execution of a condemned person is. Honestly, why does it matter?

I dunno, I always thought that inflicting as less pain as possible to whoever is the most basic humane virtue. :roll:

[jones99]

If it's done "right" like we over here then they lose all consciousness and sense of pain immediately.

How do you know that? Tried it yourself? You have no idea what people feel in those cirumstances....

Also...just because it's a government taking the life doesn't make it any more "right"

Bunch of hypocrisy.....

[CMNot]

Fill them full of phentanyl. You could skin them and they wouldn't feel it. Awesome drug, shame you need to have a pretty serious operation to get a hit, but meh...

[INAT]

If it's done "right" like we over here then they lose all consciousness and sense of pain immediately.




Do you know from personal understanding? If you mean lethal injection
that does not always happen.They have techs do it rather than doctors(goes against Hippocratic oath). and they might miss the vein and hit soft tissue.The second drug that paralyzes muslce (if you watched the video)
burns like hell if they wake.The second drug lasts 5min and a good execution is 10-12 minutes.With the death penalty active in the US
it makes sense to look for a kinder gentler way.As humans we try prolong pleasure and avoid pain.

[Herrmannek]

I'm pro capital, but I understand some may object criminals going through painful death, I also don't want criminals to be high on drugs or in euphoria. so give the person anesthesia and then bring nitrogen or any other inert gas...

[Dinges]

Once you take someones life in anger or hate - do you not forfeit your own right to life? Seeing that you have no respect for life.

[INAT]

Once you take someones life in anger or hate - do you not forfeit your own right to life? Seeing that you have no respect for life.


Well yes of course (depending on the specific situation) That is not
the point we are not debating the death penalty.The point is when the state takes life they should try to do it in the most humane way thats all.You might remeber (if you are in the US) recently doctors halted executions because
they felt it was not painless.I understand the attitude of people that say **** them they should suffer as much as the victims but I really feel a soceity that says it is civil owes that the the condemned as a human being.

[seraosha]

Once you take someones life in anger or hate - do you not forfeit your own right to life? Seeing that you have no respect for life.

Committing a crime that has capital punishment as the penalty, and being convicted of said crime negates any claim to continued existence.

No anger, no hate, just swift justice.


And no, you don't forfeit your own life if you kill in anger or hate...not if you do it in your own home against an intruder...in Texas!p-)

[RJMC]

I am against execution cuz I find it useless since if the point of a prision is like some rehabilitation them killing the person jailed means the whole thing fail,so in that case why not just put all the prisioners inside a cage and trow grenades into it,or use a flame trower trough the bars?
that would be a good thing since people say the executed shouldnt die painlessly
oh and naked


also what if the convicted acept the death and in the moment of execution is smiling happily,that would make the victims relative more angry

[Calanen]

the person jailed means the whole thing fail,so in that case why not just put all the prisioners inside a cage and trow grenades into it,or use a flame trower trough the bars?


That just might fall foul of the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.....

[Sousuke]

Those criminals who committed such acts that they are waiting execution, should not be executed. Let them rot in a 3x3m cell for the rest of their lives, alone...most of them deserve that.

[INAT]

Those criminals who commited such acts that they are w8ting exicution, should not be exicuted. Let them rot in a 3x3m cell for the rest of their lifes, alone...most of em deserve that.

Yeah I agree with life in prison.A while back I read that in alot of cases
it costs more to kill that to house for life because of the endless apeeals
at least thats how it is in the US.




no problem recruit.It's what I do. :)

[the_recruit]

Well, all I can say is that this is a great find. I'm going to show this video to my legal studies class and see how they feel about it. hopefully the teacher will be understanding. Thanks for posting

[WarriorMonk]

Really, taking a life no matter how "humanely"...is still inhumane.

then why are you here?, in a place that is focused on the military's best job...killing people.

[Dispatcher]

then why are you here?, in a place that is focused on the military's best job...killing people.


The military's best job is protecting people. If you think the best job is killing people, you are wrong.

[jones99]

Wow this site is worse than Arfcom.....

[RJMC]

That just might fall foul of the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.....

and them a proposal for a painless execution method is proposed and everyone "no forget it, let the convict suffer instead of geting high" sooo.....

[Lesot]

If you wanted to be quick, painless and humane you would strap enough explosive to the head to make sure it went back to molecule state. Otherwise it's about having a body left to bury.

[ed316]

how to take life in the most humane way possible

Asinine .

[sepheronx]

Pfft. I kill people almost every day. Well, two times a day really. Not hard

On a serious note, I am not all for the killing of humanity, but some people deserve a good beating though.

[Stealthy Sloth]

I am not to well versed in our legal system, but in my understanding isn't the only way we can convict someone of a crime (especially homicide) is if it is beyond reasonable doubt that they did in fact commit said crime?

If that is the case I see no reason why we have a waiting period for the execution I say just transport the convicted person to a military base and put them on the firing range. Or better yet allow the sniper trainees to kill them and have this as their final assessment. I forgot the official name for it, but its the one where they have to sneak up to a firing location and shoot a target a few times and if they are spotted by the instructors standing near the target location before they are told to stand up they fail. So that way It not only shows that they know how to stalk, but it also shows that they are willing to kill a person. This also wastes less money because we would not have to shelter, clothe, and feed the individual for years on end before their expensive execution.

[boone]

I am not to well versed in our legal system, but..............

Best preamble in this thread.:roll:

"The true measure of a society is how it treats it's most vulnerable citizens"

Interesting doc. Worth a watch IMO.
Also fantastic to learn I work with 2 "perfect killing machines" Everyday. Nitrogen and Argon.

[Funkgab]

Pfft. I kill people almost every day. Well, two times a day really. Not hard

On a serious note, I am not all for the killing of humanity, but some people deserve a good beating though.

Sure Id like to beat people like yourself.

[Funkgab]

Pfft. I kill people almost every day. Well, two times a day really. Not hard

On a serious note, I am not all for the killing of humanity, but some people deserve a good beating though.

I'd sure like to beat people like you.

[pascalywood]

Also have to take in consideration that those guys job will be to kill people. Not many could do that job for a long period of time without becoming insane.


And did anybody think of the children?
-What is it that your daddy does as a living?
-He kills people...

[INAT]

Also have to take in consideration that those guys job will be to kill people. Not many could do that job for a long period of time without becoming insane.


And did anybody think of the children?
-What is it that your daddy does as a living?
-He kills people...http://www.owenbloggers.com/tyler/WindowsLiveWriter/WinterWonderland_13F83/image%7B0%7D%5B8%5D_1.png


What do "the children" have to do with anything? Which guys are you talking about just guys in general.

[loganinkosovo]

The whole idea behind the death penalty is making sure they never do it again.

It's the only sentence with absolutely no recidivism....ever.

If someone goes so far outside of society's laws as to receive a conviction on a first degree pre-meditated murder charge then society should not have to suffer the further existence of that person.

Seven Bullets and a Blank or 30 feet of good hemp rope.

The rope is Eco-friendly and reusable almost indefinitely if cared for properly.

[Xaito]

I used to be pro death penalty but I changed my mind.
Its one thing killing someone in self defense or killing armed resistance - probably even an assassination is better then killing your prisoner who is defensless and at your mercy- yes he might have killed someone - but thats even more reason not to become like him.
Of course there are always cases where you think he'd deserve it - I think so too - but overall I kinda feel good knowing that the country I'm living in has no death penalty.

[andehbrown]

Good video, good thread.

I'd like to ask people who are pro-capital where they think the punishment comes from with the death penalty. Is it the fact that the person's death is unpleasant for them or is it that their life is being forcibly taken away? I always thought it was the latter but having read some of the comments on here it sounds like some people wouldn't want it to be painless for the person.

My personal view is that the death penalty is wrong since it is almost always impossible to be 100% certain (not just beyond reasonable doubt) that the defendant is guilty and so punishments should always be repealable. That said, if people are going to be executed by the state it should be in the most painless way possible - having your life taken away is punishment enough I should think.

[BLUE THOR]

i hear bullets work... thats just something i heard though... p-)

[Dominique]

Really, taking a life no matter how "humanely"...is still inhumane.

Just to make sure I'm understanding you, no mater what the reason, or how it's done, the killing of another human being is "inhumane" in your eyes? Please correct me if I've misinterpreted your comment.

[Dominique]

I am not to well versed in our legal system, but in my understanding isn't the only way we can convict someone of a crime (especially homicide) is if it is beyond reasonable doubt that they did in fact commit said crime?

Because the law says you have the right to an appeal, that's why.


If that is the case I see no reason why we have a waiting period for the execution I say just transport the convicted person to a military base and put them on the firing range. Or better yet allow the sniper trainees to kill them and have this as their final assessment. I forgot the official name for it, but its the one where they have to sneak up to a firing location and shoot a target a few times and if they are spotted by the instructors standing near the target location before they are told to stand up they fail.

The military does not enforce civilian law in the US, it's the job of the the State or the Federal Government to execute inmates convicted of a capital crime and sentenced to death. Please stop posting asinine comments


So that way It not only shows that they know how to stalk, but it also shows that they are willing to kill a person. This also wastes less money because we would not have to shelter, clothe, and feed the individual for years on end before their expensive execution.

Please refrain from posting any additional asinine comments

[Dominique]

A few quick questions, and a comment. How many of you even have clue as to how the death penalty works in your particular state, or country (that's if they have it at all)? How many of you have any type of law enforcement experience? How many of you have worked in a jail? How many of you have worked in a prison? Prisons in the US are different than jails. Jails = short term/1 year or less for misdemeanors. Prisons = long term/1 ear or longer for felony convictions, and unlike jails, prisons are tasked by the state with carrying out executions of condemned prisoners.

In VA, which in number 3 in the nation for executing prisoners on death row, only one prison actually carries out executions. The Corrections Officers assigned to the Execution Team, are hand selected. Almost all are married males, all have children, and almost all were religious. They had to volunteer for serve a two year term on the team, and pass an extensive psych screening. Also, no of them had worked on Death Row (which is located at a separate facility). Once an execution is completed, they had to have a mandatory psych screening. The two guys I knew on the team took no joy what-so-ever in conducting the executions, but they knew that it had to be done, so they carried them out in the most professional manner as possible, and then removed the body for burial.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-death penalty and have no problem with certain people being executed, as there are many people sitting in prison who should NEVER be allowed back on the streets, but you shouldn't take any pride in the fact that you've had to kill someone.

[KEEPER0311]

Just to make sure I'm understanding you, no mater what the reason, or how it's done, the killing of another human being is "inhumane" in your eyes? Please correct me if I've misinterpreted your comment.

Correct. Now I'm not saying that there aren't proper circumstances. But no matter how kindly or painlessly it's still dying. Put yourself in the position of one of these inmates on death row. Now even though your not going to feel a thing, do you feel your execution to be a painless and humane process. Possibly you want feel the grip of death. But think of the mental agony that know death is only moments away.


Don't get me wrong, I believe bad men deserve death. But to try to label killing as humane is stupid.

[Dominique]

Correct. Now I'm not saying that there aren't proper circumstances. But no matter how kindly or painlessly it's still dying. Put yourself in the position of one of these inmates on death row. Now even though your not going to feel a thing, do you feel your execution to be a painless and humane process. Possibly you want feel the grip of death. But think of the mental agony that know death is only moments away.


Don't get me wrong, I believe bad men deserve death. But to try to label killing as humane is stupid.

The simple fact is the guys (and a few women) on Death Row knew what the consequences of their actions would be. They made decision to commit an act that could cause them to be executed. So, why it's unfortunate that the state has to execute the individual, the inmate is the one who set the process in motion by committing a crime that rated death as his punishment.

While you may not think it's humane, the process is made as humane as possible by the corrections staff. Despite what portrayed in movies, the guys is treated very well, and if there is a problem staff member, they're dealt with (usually they're fired). While the inmate might suffer, he brought it on himself.

[KEEPER0311]

i'm not justifying what these people did. I'm simply stating that to call execution humane is stupid. Why try to make life easy for rapist, murderers? I just think it's childish to attempt to give people the illusion that "We're killing these people, but in a nice way."

[Dominique]

Because the law requires you to make life at least "comfortable" for them until all their appeals expire. For example, if they get sick, you do everything you can to keep them alive, until their execution, because the law requires you to do so. It also requires that they suffer as little as possible during their execution. The job of the various sate DOC and BOP is not torture people, and make them suffer, but to execute they in the most humane way possible when called to do so.

[mudbunny]

I don't think anyone here has a beef with the corrections staff/execution team, whatever you wanna call them. They're doing a job and most probably do it to the best of their ability; in fact I'm sure inmates on death row are probably treated better on the whole than regular house guys by the CO's.
The argument is against execution on the whole (in the context of the U.S), how many mentally severly mentally challanged people or innocent people have been killed in the past?
Unless our justice system is 100 percent accurate, I'm not sure how any country could send people to death, you add in prejudices against blacks in the past in the U.S. How many innocent black men have been convicted and killed in the South?
The law may lack any prejudices, but it is still interpreted and carried out by human beings which ARE bias and prejudice to some extent, unless you're a robot.
Even if the system was still 100 percent accurate, I still don't support it.
And only the people who have been executed, and sent to the afterlife, really know if it is humane or not, no one here does.

[Dominique]

The argument is against execution on the whole (in the context of the U.S), how many mentally severly mentally challanged people or innocent people have been killed in the past?

As no system is perfect, I'm sure there have been innocent people executed in the past, and it will probably happen in the future. But that doesn't mean I'd be for stopping executions.


Unless our justice system is 100 percent accurate, I'm not sure how any country could send people to death, you add in prejudices against blacks in the past in the U.S.

As I said, not system will ever be 100% accurate, it never has been, or ever will be. Just out of curiosity, would you approve of the US attacking a known terrorist target, say one that had nuke they planned to detonate, even though innocent civilians will probably be killed in the attack? While it's not the same thing, it's about as close as an analogy I can come up with at the moment.


How many innocent black men have been convicted and killed in the South?

While the South may have gotten more press, the "North" was just as guilty of the same behavior.


The law may lack any prejudices, but it is still interpreted and carried out by human beings which ARE bias and prejudice to some extent, unless you're a robot.

On that we agree.


Even if the system was still 100 percent accurate, I still don't support it.And only the people who have been executed, and sent to the afterlife, really know if it is humane or not, no one here does.

On on this point I'll have to disagree with you.

[Vympel]

the most humane way to kill a person is to send him in Iraqi, to fight like insurgent.

[Dominique]

the most humane way to kill a person is to send him in Iraqi, to fight like insurgent.

Say What? As I said before, refrain from asinine comments.

[pascalywood]

What do "the children" have to do with anything? Which guys are you talking about just guys in general.

the technicians that kill the inmates..how can they remain sane? and for the children part, just think your a kid and your father is a hangman. how do you explain that to your teacher?

my english is not good enough to clearly express my idea but im sure you get the point

[hank]

The simple fact is the guys (and a few women) on Death Row knew what the consequences of their actions would be.

I'm not disagreeing with you on much but all the studies show this is not true. Most people on death row didn't comprehend the act punishment relationship at the time they committed the crime.

And I'm not arguing against the death penalty, its just that this is a widely held myth about the death penalty. I never remember the names of the studies but there have been at least 2 and they both conclusively showed this comment is incorrect.

hank

[Dinges]

Here we have a discussion on the death penalty.

Who decides?

The same talking heads that sends the best of to war to fight with pride , with the chance of dying , disfigurement , dismemberment , torture and humiliation. These talking heads have the gall to give the scum and dreggs of society the option of a humane death!

I retch!

[eskachig]

I'm against the death penalty for two reasons. One is that certainty is difficult to come by in this world. There is always a chance that new evidence can come to light, and death penalty convictions are sometimes overturned. Once a person is in the ground you can't take it back.

Second is that to do it with any kind of justice you need to have an US-style automatic appeal process. And this appeal process costs more than life imprisonment in most cases.

A lot of people in this thread seem like they would be happy with the Chinese model, where a person is executed immediately after the trial.

If you do plan on killing someone though, I can't think of a more humane way than a high caliber bullet to the back of the head.

[Xaito]

If you do plan on killing someone though, I can't think of a more humane way than a high caliber bullet to the back of the head.

I'd rather take a bullet too - though not necessarily in the back of the head - I'd want it from the front so I can see when its going to happen.

[kahn267]

after watching part of the vid, it reminded me of my gf's older cousin who served in the IDF's special forces unit of something that is like that of the Duv Devan today in the 80s and he told me an instant and silent kill is to put a knife somewhere about where the shoulder meets the neck
He told me this after discussing with me how at like 20 years old he had to run up on a Hezbollah command post and perform that task on an unexpecting guard.
All I can say is, alot of things have changed since he was in the IDF in terms of training - he told me he had a saddistic South African as a trainer who used to beat them and wouldn't send them home unless they fought eachother bare knuckle where people would break noses, ribs, black eyes etc and if not they didnt they would face their trainer. This was used to communicate to the soldiers that they would have to prove they wanted to go home because to get home in the battle field would need the same furiocity

[Michael S.]

My Father was killed in a military action in Israel, 1964 spring, he was a Canadian volunteer started 1957, but had been there now/then from 1951.

He was with a unit called OPS SPICKET, all six were killed in Jordan or Syria, but I can't find anyone that knew them but one and I'm not sure if he really did or if just got the L19, they were useing.