Good ambience in the UK

[gilgoul]

If this is a repost, kick me in the nuts

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZNx0xHe0p0

Before our UK friends get offended, we have the same problem here.

[Warlord]

That's surreal. In my country where there's two pretty active and violent Muslim fundamentalist groups. You still don't hear them rant like that in public. It's an invitation to get beaten up even by their own people. Imagine what our police will do if you start talking like that. I can't believe you Western folks stand for this sh!t.

[Bushranger]

Get the riot squad & crack some skulls, they have no respect for anybody, no respect for the law of the country.i bet they wouldnt have got in th polices face if they carried guns. Why do these people just keep caring on like retards, they are just so brain washed.

[rgjbloke]

There are nutters in all religions. I know many muslim friends who would be embarrassed to be associated with this.

[Calanen]

There are nutters in all religions. I know many muslim friends who would be embarrassed to be associated with this.

Well - that's more moral equivalence, because we can find some other religious nutters, that means we do not have to confront the menace of radical islam. We have a lot more of a problem with islamic nutters than the nutters from any other religion right at the moment - dont we.

[INAT]

Well - that's more moral equivalence, because we can find some other religious nutters, that means we do not have to confront the menace of radical islam. We have a lot more of a problem with islamic nutters than the nutters from any other religion right at the moment - dont we.


We sure do.I really see western Euro liberalism and the large Muslim population in the west as a big problem.The population bomb scares me more than anything because I know where it will go. And this example can stand on its own without Islam and that is Kosovo.One group hostile to the host country walked away with land.

[rgjbloke]

Well - that's more moral equivalence, because we can find some other religious nutters, that means we do not have to confront the menace of radical islam. We have a lot more of a problem with islamic nutters than the nutters from any other religion right at the moment - dont we.

My comment was simply that not everybody who happens to be a muslim is driving around ranting through a loudspeaker and confronting the police who are simply doing their jobs. Thats all. You should not try to turn my posting into something that it isn't. Be constructive for a change!

[Afro-European]

If this is a repost, kick me in the nuts

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZNx0xHe0p0

Before our UK friends get offended, we have the same problem here.
Londonistan as it again.

[tonyant9999]

The tide of public opinion is turning against Islam in general in this country. I wouldn't be surprised to see a big change in tact after the next general elections

[Calanen]

My comment was simply that not everybody who happens to be a muslim is driving around ranting through a loudspeaker and confronting the police who are simply doing their jobs. Thats all. You should not try to turn my posting into something that it isn't. Be constructive for a change!

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE knows that 'Not every muslim' does xx or whatever. Saying that, again, adds nothing useful to the problem. The problem is that there are enough of them doing this that we have to confront it. Not keep making PC motherhood statements.

[Mackie]

That's surreal. In my country where there's two pretty active and violent Muslim fundamentalist groups. You still don't hear them rant like that in public. It's an invitation to get beaten up even by their own people. Imagine what our police will do if you start talking like that. I can't believe you Western folks stand for this sh!t.

Same in Germany. Every radical group is observed by the intelligence service. Also groups like Mili Goerus which seems to be a bit more moderate like the group in the video.

[rgjbloke]

Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE knows that 'Not every muslim' does xx or whatever. Saying that, again, adds nothing useful to the problem. The problem is that there are enough of them doing this that we have to confront it. Not keep making PC motherhood statements.

Once again you generalise my post into something it did not say and then accuse me of making PC motherhood statements. I will say that Muslims make up 25% of the population of the world. You want to take on 25% of the population of the world which is what you will do if you confront them? Thats just daft. Problems and differences are resolved by dialogue and agreement.

[RSone]

The Dutch AIVD once set up a entire fake extreme left/communist party, just to get intel on what the leftist elements were up to, during the cold war. Leftists are still scared of the AIVD :).

Obviously doing the same with Islamist cells would be rather difficult, but they are trying to nail people like the hofstad group on everything possible, since the court found that the evidence was not good enough to convict some of the less hardcore members(the guys that used violence are serving sentences varying from 15 to life in prison).
The remaining members are now even getting hammered on not paying their speeding tickets on time or something insignificantp-). Of course they don't go protesting on Dam Square like these morons in Londonistan, but still, it shows you that intelligence agencies often can pull massive strings within the judicial machine...

[mosh]

Once again you generalise my post into something it did not say and then accuse me of making PC motherhood statements. I will say that Muslims make up 25% of the population of the world. You want to take on 25% of the population of the world which is what you will do if you confront them? Thats just daft. Problems and differences are resolved by dialogue and agreement.

we don't have to confront all muslims just the ones in western countries.
muslims can be as barbaric and backwards as they want in their own countries, i have no problems with that.

[gilgoul]

My comment was simply that not everybody who happens to be a muslim is driving around ranting through a loudspeaker and confronting the police who are simply doing their jobs. Thats all. You should not try to turn my posting into something that it isn't. Be constructive for a change!


Ok, but stating the obvious is a bit condescending, isn't it?

If it was a bunch of bone heads proclaiming the superiority of the Aryan race, would you feel the need to warn us that you have white friends but all aren't the same?

I posted this video about a dangerous trend of people that happen to be Islamic, bullying their way in full day, in the middle of I don't know what ville, threatening cops, and who happen to be of the same religious affiliation than a bunch of UK citizens of foreign descent who committed a series of terrorist attacks in their own country and abroad.

And all you got to tell us is that there are Muslims who are cool?
Thank you, we knew that already, but maybe it's time your Political correctness and your cool muslim friends start to do something about those thugs, call a thug a thug, and if it happens to be a muslim thug, call them for what they are, denounce them, so maybe you can stop this terrible phenomenon before it is too late.

[Calanen]

I will say that Muslims make up 25% of the population of the world. You want to take on 25% of the population of the world which is what you will do if you confront them? Thats just daft.


25% of the world's population, does not live in the UK and have protests. If confronting radical islam means, confronting the world's muslims, then fine. But I doubt that they would all join together.

[Warlord]

Same in Germany. Every radical group is observed by the intelligence service. Also groups like Mili Goerus which seems to be a bit more moderate like the group in the video.

I'm not talking about intell groups. The people themselves, hell the Muslims themselves will gang up on anybody who goes retard like that on the streets. But I guess it's just temperament. You all get the Arab & Pakistani Muslims. We've got the South East Asian, tropical Muslims who are more laid back.

[Calanen]

Once again you generalise my post into something it did not say and then accuse me of making PC motherhood statements. I will say that Muslims make up 25% of the population of the world. You want to take on 25% of the population of the world which is what you will do if you confront them? Thats just daft. Problems and differences are resolved by dialogue and agreement.

And also - you generialised your own statement. How does confronting radical islam somehow turn into taking on every muslim in the world?

[Winger]

Well - that's more moral equivalence, because we can find some other religious nutters, that means we do not have to confront the menace of radical islam. We have a lot more of a problem with islamic nutters than the nutters from any other religion right at the moment - dont we.

Indeed. The Muslim brand of fantacism is quite unique today compared to others religions'.

[Rictor]

What, they don't like RESPECT either?

That just made George Galloway a sad puppy :(:(

[khukuri]

I swear to god that cars passes my window a block of stone will go their way.

They stir **** up and then we other muslims get the **** as well.


We left the middle east so we could avoid fascists and ****s like em. If they dont like this way of life why the **** do they come here!

[khukuri]

The problem is that there are enough of them doing this that we have to confront it. Not keep making PC motherhood statements.

We need to confront radical Islam no doubt. The question is however, confronting the extremists or confronting Islam in general.I know a lot of people dont think there is any difference in this.

[Billy No Mates]

What, they don't like RESPECT either?

That just made George Galloway a sad puppy :(:(

The thought of Gorgeous George being sad makes me a sad panda bear .

If they dont want to engage with society and hanker after Sharia law then we would all be much better of if they would just do one,i would be prepared to put my hand in my pocket and contribute to the cost of a container ship to drop them of somewhere more agreeable to their sensibilities like the Yemen fo instance .

[Calanen]

We need to confront radical Islam no doubt. The question is however, confronting the extremists or confronting Islam in general.I know a lot of people dont think there is any difference in this.

I think some people like to broaden the dispute for their own purposes. Islam itself is split between people who believe the front of the Koran is more important (tolerance, peace) than those who believe the end of it is (jihad, kill the infidel, sons of apes and pigs...).

What percentage of muslims divide the whole world into the House of War and the House of Islam, really accept that no non-muslim can ever be a friend, and that, all other religions must be crushed, with a theocratic state being established instead of democracy. I don't know the answer to that. There seems to be enough of them though, for this to be a significant issue.

And if you as a muslim, are committed to Sharia law, theocratic government, and the destruction of other religions - then you are not really compatible with the West. The Kaffir are liars, cannot be trusted and can never be the friends of muslims, according to the Koran. Not all muslims practice this..but - it is taught and accepted by many.

There is far more in the Koran and the Hadith to support the radical interpretation of Islam, than there is, to support the moderate stance of some muslims.

[Tokamak]

I hate that kind of people, why we keep taking all that **** is something I can't understand!.

[playtym]

If this is a repost, kick me in the nuts

I don't have a clue if it's a repost, but I couldn't turn down an offer like that! p-)





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[shire19]

I bet most of them were born in the West and never lived in the conditions and under the laws they're promoting

[Connaught Ranger]

If this is a repost, kick me in the nuts

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZNx0xHe0p0

Before our UK friends get offended, we have the same problem here.

Nearly as bad as some people calling on a military forum for the Gaza to be carpet bombed, it takes all types to create a "situation".

Connaught Ranger

[shire19]

And if you as a muslim, are committed to Sharia law, theocratic government, and the destruction of other religions - then you are not really compatible with the West. The Kaffir are liars, cannot be trusted and can never be the friends of muslims, according to the Koran. Not all muslims practice this..but - it is taught and accepted by many.


No it isnt.



There is far more in the Koran and the Hadith to support the radical interpretation of Islam, than there is, to support the moderate stance of some muslims.


Hadiths? Probally but the Quran? Doubt it.

[WKD]

Well - that's more moral equivalence, because we can find some other religious nutters, that means we do not have to confront the menace of radical islam. We have a lot more of a problem with islamic nutters than the nutters from any other religion right at the moment - dont we.

Sometimes I just want to hug you.

Don't worry, I shower frequently.

[CMNot]

The tide of public opinion is turning against Islam in general in this country. I wouldn't be surprised to see a big change in tact after the next general elections

Only if the Tory's toughen the **** up and get some real Conservative policy.

But all the lying, sleeze and bull**** has left us with a jaded and cynical electorate. So our main parties are centre/centre squabbling over the same votes.

[Billy No Mates]

I bet most of them were born in the West and never lived in the conditions and under the laws they're promoting

Thats very true,it does seem that these 2nd and 3rd generation are much more obnoxious than their fathers and grandfathers ever were,when we used to visit my wifes grandfather in Dalston the his Pakistani neigbours were the only people that looked out for him,in contrast to the young British asians hanging round calling me and my wife guras(spelling?) its like this generation has taken on the worst aspects of both cultures .

[tonyant9999]

just having watched the video again, it's clear that it's an old old video, listen to the political candidates he's talking about, blair, kennedy... this is the last lot of elections. This is old news.

[Calanen]

just having watched the video again, it's clear that it's an old old video, listen to the political candidates he's talking about, blair, kennedy... this is the last lot of elections. This is old news.

It's timeless for the moment now. It could easily happen tomorrow.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

just having watched the video again, it's clear that it's an old old video, listen to the political candidates he's talking about, blair, kennedy... this is the last lot of elections. This is old news.

Careful don't start 'keeping it real' you'll upset all the neocon/zionist circle jerkers on here. They want to make the most of every possible opportunity to type terms like 'Londonistan' :roll:

[DS73]

Careful don't start 'keeping it real' you'll upset all the neocon/zionist circle jerkers on here. They want to make the most of every possible opportunity to type terms like 'Londonistan' :roll:

http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/
such site in Nl or de space would be closed and people contained in weeks.

Personally I wouldn't give a sh*t about what happens in UK, if there was some reasonable border control.
But borders are open and all this 'progressive movements' are breading there and spreading all over the continent. no good.

[JJC]

Careful don't start 'keeping it real' you'll upset all the neocon/zionist circle jerkers on here. They want to make the most of every possible opportunity to type terms like 'Londonistan' :roll:

By the way it looks, Britain will be preoccupied with it's own Hamas movements in a decade or two. I wonder if there will be time then for the leftist elitists to concentrate on the Zionists? :)

[Mr.Flint]

By the way it looks, Britain will be preoccupied with it's own Hamas movements in a decade or two. I wonder if there will be time then for the leftist elitists to concentrate on the Zionists? :)
Certainly they would, because all the leftist elitists, our own a_very_ex_STAB and other British, who are still stinging from the resounding defeat suffered by their beloved british trained, armed and led Arabs, will be assisting the British Hamas in circle jerking, and on special occasions even taking it up the arse on all Zionist issues.
:)

[Calanen]

I think some people like to broaden the dispute for their own purposes. Islam itself is split between people who believe the front of the Koran is more important (tolerance, peace) than those who believe the end of it is (jihad, kill the infidel, sons of apes and pigs...).

What percentage of muslims divide the whole world into the House of War and the House of Islam, really accept that no non-muslim can ever be a friend, and that, all other religions must be crushed, with a theocratic state being established instead of democracy. I don't know the answer to that. There seems to be enough of them though, for this to be a significant issue.

And if you as a muslim, are committed to Sharia law, theocratic government, and the destruction of other religions - then you are not really compatible with the West. The Kaffir are liars, cannot be trusted and can never be the friends of muslims, according to the Koran. Not all muslims practice this..but - it is taught and accepted by many.

There is far more in the Koran and the Hadith to support the radical interpretation of Islam, than there is, to support the moderate stance of some muslims.



No it isnt.

Hadiths? Probally but the Quran? Doubt it.

I see. No it isnt huh? Well the following quotes suggest there is some basis for what I had referred to. Whether that is what it means, is open to debate. But there are certainly phrases relied upon by radical islam to justify their position. I didn't make it up....

Non-Believers are Liars

[2.8] And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.

[2.9] They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.

[2.10] There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied.

[16.39] So that He might make manifest to them that about which they differ, and that those who disbelieve might know that they were liars.

Don’t Be Friends with Infidels

No reference to dont be friends with infidels..except for the following.....

[3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

[3.118] O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Jihad in the Koran

And yes, no Jihad in the Koran, except for the following....

"Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (Qur'an 9:5).

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29).

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (2:190-192)

O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about [Pickthal and others: "who are near to you"], and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him. (9:123)

Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah, - He will never let their deeds be lost. (47:4)

[GeneralDisarray]

Politics aside, I can't believe how restrained and polite those cops were considering the aggressiveness of the protesters. I feel like if this happened here the NYPD would be cracking skulls at the first sign of trouble.

[JJC]

Politics aside, I can't believe how restrained and polite those cops were considering the aggressiveness of the protesters. I feel like if this happened here the NYPD would be cracking skulls at the first sign of trouble.

They had no choice but to be polite. They were cornered and outnumbered by the jihad-mob, so the mob dictated the potential outcome of the situation. The cops were wise to show restrained cause they could have been in deep sh...

[mosh]

Nearly as bad as some people calling on a military forum for the Gaza to be carpet bombed, it takes all types to create a "situation".

Connaught Ranger

how lovely it is to live in Europe where you can take the "moral high ground" and not in the middle east where you have to get your hand dirty to survive.
don't wary soon enough Europe will be like the middle east and your talk of "moral high ground" will earn you the contempt of your more reasonble countrymen.

[Connaught Ranger]

how lovely it is to live in Europe where you can take the "moral high ground" and not in the middle east where you have to get your hand dirty to survive.
don't wary soon enough Europe will be like the middle east and your talk of "moral high ground" will earn you the contempt of your more reasonble countrymen.

Incredible, or all your supposed intelligence, you seemed to miss the fact that I lived and served over 21 years in the Irish military, where we had our own little problem going on with regards Northern Ireland and the Nationalist and Protestant communities, still I did not see anybody advocating that the South go North and exterminate all the Protestants or vice versa.

You have one hell of a Right wing chip on your shoulder and seem to think your people are the only people who have suffered (particularly since the creation of the State of Israel in 1948).

Europe to has suffered its share of conflicts over the last few hundred years as well. Try reading deeper into European history and not just select bits about carpet bombings.

As for the moral high ground at least I know the meaning of the word, I suggest if you are not finding people to agree with your views on this forum, then go look else where for like minded people, in my opinion you and the small band of like minded people do not do anything to enhance the lives of the people in Israel in fact you do the opposite.

Connaught Ranger.:)

[mosh]

Incredible, or all your supposed intelligence, you seemed to miss the fact that I lived and served over 21 years in the Irish military, where we had our own little problem going on with regards Northern Ireland and the Nationalist and Protestant communities, still I did not see anybody advocating that the South go North and exterminate all the Protestants or vice versa.

Connaught Ranger.:)

with all do respect to your conflict in ireland it's kindergarten compared to the savagery of the Middle East and even the most fanatic catholics and Protestants who took part in the conflict are bambi compared to muslim fanatics.
but again, you won't understand this as long as Europe is still Europe.
when it becaumes the middle east (and it will) come talk to me.

[Connaught Ranger]

with all do respect to your conflict in ireland it's kindergarten compared to the savagery of the Middle East and even the most fanatic catholics and Protestants who took part in the conflict are bambi compared to muslim fanatics.
but again, you won't understand this as long as Europe is still Europe.
when it becaumes the middle east (and it will) come talk to me.

Nice of you to write off our little conflict it actually started a long time back, again you knowledge of European history lets you down.

Whether 1 or 1 thousand killed, because of religion, politics or race is one to many, even the ones who gave their lives to stop dictators and occupation forces, past or present.

But I seriously doubt we will be turning arabesque or it will come to pass in your life time, sonny:roll:

Connaught Ranger

[Billy No Mates]

They had no choice but to be polite. They were cornered and outnumbered by the jihad-mob, so the mob dictated the potential outcome of the situation. The cops were wise to show restrained cause they could have been in deep sh...

Precisely they had little option but to adopt that tact,but though they might have been a bit firmer if they had of been mob handed themselves i doubt they would of 'cracked skulls' in the way the situation perhaps merited for fear of damaging community relations,the police have to do a awkward balancing act between the letter of the law and political necessity .

[mosh]

But I seriously doubt we will be turning arabesque or it will come to pass in your life time, sonny:roll:

Connaught Ranger

you will, and when the muslims start the intifada to "libarate" Eurobia from the evil white colonialist crusaders i'll be laughing my ass off.

[Calanen]

with all do respect to your conflict in ireland it's kindergarten compared to the savagery of the Middle East and even the most fanatic catholics and Protestants who took part in the conflict are bambi compared to muslim fanatics.


Bambi huh? Not that its a competition, but do you even know anything about the Troubles? Read a bit.

Saying things like you have, is likely to 1) antogonise the people who know about the Troubles, or who lived through them, or have had relatives who did; 2) make people think you are largely ignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Manchester_City_Centre_bombing

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Corporation Street after the bombingLocationManchester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester), England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England)
DateJune 15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_15), 1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996)
11:16 (BST (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Summer_Time))Attack typeVehicle bombDeaths0Injured200[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Manchester_City_Centre_bombing#cite_note-0)
Perpetrator(s)Provisional Irish Republican Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army)

The 1996 Manchester bombing was a bomb attack undertaken by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army) (IRA) in Manchester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester), England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England). The bomb targeted the infrastructure and economy of Manchester and caused widespread damage, valued by insurers at £411 million, to buildings in the commercial centre of the city (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_City_Centre).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Manchester_City_Centre_bombing#cite_note-1)
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Details of the Bombing

It occurred at 11:16 a.m. (GMT) on Saturday 15 June (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_15) 1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996), when the IRA detonated a bomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb) containing 1500kg (3300 lb) of explosives. The bomb was located in a Ford lorry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorry) parked two hours earlier in Corporation Street, between the Arndale Centre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Arndale_Centre) and the city's Marks and Spencer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marks_and_Spencer) store, close to the centre of the city's shopping district. It was the largest IRA bomb ever detonated in Great Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain), and the largest bomb to explode in Great Britain since the Second World War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World_War).

Although warnings had been received in the previous hour and had allowed the evacuation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_evacuation) of the area, 206 people were recorded by the ambulance service as having been injured. Most windows in nearby buildings were blown out, and falling glass caused the majority of the injuries. No one was killed. The blast was audible over 8 miles (13 km) away in residential neighbourhoods.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/12/newsid_2531000/2531583.stm

1984: Tory Cabinet in Brighton bomb blast
There has been a direct bomb attack on the British Government at the Conservative party conference in Brighton.

At least two people have been killed and many others seriously injured, including two senior Cabinet ministers. The blast tore apart the Brighton Grand Hotel where members of the Cabinet have been staying for the Conservative party conference

[mosh]

[quote=Calanen;3246999]Bambi huh? Not that its a competition, but do you even know anything about the Troubles?

i know about the bombings, i stick to my original statment.
if irish nationalists started a war of extermination against the british as opposed to fighting a land dispute my opinion would be different.

[Orbiter]

sad to see how European cities are becoming centers of islamo-fascists.

[Connaught Ranger]

[quote=Calanen;3246999]Bambi huh? Not that its a competition, but do you even know anything about the Troubles?

i know about the bombings, i stick to my original statment.
if irish nationalists started a war of extermination against the british as opposed to fighting a land dispute my opinion would be different.

It was a lot more than aland dispute, Ireland and Britain's problems stemmed from the right to self rdetemination and self rule, compounded by Religion and Political divide.

The Irish could never carry it out, (war of extermination) not enough equipment, people or motivation, nor do they even today, enjoy the support of the entire population of the Republic of Ireland, (a fact well born out by the IRA political party Sinn Fein, never getting more than a handful of members elected in the recent Republics Elections,) also to many Irish are connected to Britain by blood and work over the last 200 years.

Your definition of a war of extermination again assumes that all Arab people want to see Israel and all the Jewish people exterminated, without giving any evidence of proof, if such a situation was in evidence, then their would be more than a few home made rockets landing in Israel, and the odd terrorist bombing, the main purpose of terrorism is to terrorize, seems they have got you well terrorized seeing you advocate mass extermination by carpet bombing of the people of Gaza, followed no doubt by the West Bank, then all points of the compass.

Connaught Ranger:)

[IDF_TANKER]

MY conflict is much better than all your conflicts together! Just so you know.

[shire19]

I see. No it isnt huh? Well the following quotes suggest there is some basis for what I had referred to. Whether that is what it means, is open to debate. But there are certainly phrases relied upon by radical islam to justify their position. I didn't make it up....

Non-Believers are Liars

[2.8] And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.

[2.9] They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.

[2.10] There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied.

[16.39] So that He might make manifest to them that about which they differ, and that those who disbelieve might know that they were liars.

Might wanna read that again. Its pointed at those who claim to be Muslims but yet breach the very laws of Islam. Does that not make them liars?




Don’t Be Friends with Infidels

No reference to dont be friends with infidels..except for the following.....

[3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

[3.118] O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Does Islam Forbid Befriending Non-Muslims? (http://www.theicuc.org/msa/public/node/394)




Jihad in the Koran

And yes, no Jihad in the Koran, except for the following....

"Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (Qur'an 9:5).

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29).

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (2:190-192)

O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about [Pickthal and others: "who are near to you"], and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him. (9:123)

Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah, - He will never let their deeds be lost. (47:4)

Verses that were written in times of war, particularly the battle of badr.

The Quran to non-muslims is an fictional book that stems from how Muhammad percieved the world around him. It sets guidelines on how to treat others, how to act in times of peace and war and how to live one's life as an follower of Allah. I believe its as simple as that.

In this day and age I would like to see for every country out there to have an seperation of religion and state when it comes to governing their nation. But the Quran is not at fault for the problems we face today, its alot bigger than that. The Quran is just an excuse.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

By the way it looks, Britain will be preoccupied with it's own Hamas movements in a decade or two. I wonder if there will be time then for the leftist elitists to concentrate on the Zionists? :)

LOL you guys are truly 'hysterical' you're like the reds under the beds paranoids of the Cold War era.

As for being a leftie I will think about your comments and smile to myself as I drive to the golf club tomorrow in my brand new Merc :)

You kiddies wouldn't know a real lefty if one dropped on your heads.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Certainly they would, because all the leftist elitists, our own a_very_ex_STAB and other British, who are still stinging from the resounding defeat suffered by their beloved british trained, armed and led Arabs, will be assisting the British Hamas in circle jerking, and on special occasions even taking it up the arse on all Zionist issues.
:)

Judging by Israels rather special demographic time bomb in the making I think its much more likely to be you guys playing hide the sausage with HAMAS :roll:

[LRPV]

[quote=Calanen;3246999]Bambi huh? Not that its a competition, but do you even know anything about the Troubles?

i know about the bombings, i stick to my original statment.
if irish nationalists started a war of extermination against the british as opposed to fighting a land dispute my opinion would be different.


Calm down.

[LRPV]

Judging by Israels rather special demographic time bomb in the making I think its much more likely to be you guys playing hide the sausage with HAMAS :roll:


Keep smug arsehole, Israel is a Jewish State, England is what? My heritage is British but fast becoming anything but what my grandparents remember. Next time you ride the tube in London, the underground railway (of course, circle jerker) check out the the backpackers....

[DS73]

In this day and age I would like to see for every country out there to have an seperation of religion and state when it comes to governing their nation. But the Quran is not at fault for the problems we face today, its alot bigger than that. The Quran is just an excuse.

woot
This is exactly the message that is missing.

Majority of Iraqis and egiptians, western turks don't trouble and I hope aren't troubled much in the western Europe. The problems lie in the so called second generation who being taught by illiterate and culturally isolated mothers are bond to fail, and being failures they seek excuses in misunderstood 'imperialism vs anti imperialism' rhetorics and look for help in some 'home' values.
I find it very ironic as exactly these values and troubles they cause made these people moving in the first place.
But even the existence of these fanatic 'delayed' circles is not a real problem.
In the thread about France: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=134109 horizon made a very good remark:
"...But for the(rich) elite from the left, these people should stay violent and rebel just to "annoy" the right and the system they despise, while gaining the utmost profit of it..."
This problem is much richer and more serious than any immigration or poverty issues all together.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Keep smug arsehole, Israel is a Jewish State, England is what? My heritage is British but fast becoming anything but what my grandparents remember. Next time you ride the tube in London, the underground railway (of course, circle jerker) check out the the backpackers....

And London is the whole of the UK is it? Maybe you should get out more?:roll:

[a_very_ex_STAB]

[quote=mosh;3247026]

It was a lot more than aland dispute, Ireland and Britain's problems stemmed from the right to self rdetemination and self rule, compounded by Religion and Political divide.

The Irish could never carry it out, (war of extermination)

True but they did make a concerted effort to bring down the UK economy by repeatedly targeting the financial centres of the City of London.

As I'm rather materialistic I regard that as being a significant threat to our way of life in the UK.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Keep smug arsehole,

It will be interesting to see if the banning standards are applied consistently in this instance ;-)


It appears that 'arsehole' (when used by a fanboy) is less offensive than 'asshole' (when used by someone else) on MP.net - how wonderfully hypocritical.

[Holycrusader]

It will be interesting to see if the banning standards are applied consistently in this instance ;-)

Yep, it will be interesting.

a_very_ex_Stab I must say you are a voice of reason in this thread...

[Billy No Mates]

Yep, it will be interesting.

a_very_ex_Stab I must say you are a voice of reason in this thread...

Perhaps he was been misrepresented...like an Islamic preacher....and its ex-Stab that should feel the CPS like wrath of the mods .