Vektor CR-21 (South Africa)

[Dennis G]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/vektor_cr21.jpg

Vektor CR-21

http://world.guns.ru/assault/vektor_cr21_sight.jpg

CR-21 - optical sight 1X with aiming reticle shown at left



Caliber: 5.56 NATO (.223rem)
Overall length: 760mm
Barrel length: 460mm
Weigth: 3,8 kg loaded
Magazine capacity: 35 rds
Sigth: Telescopic 1X with illuminated reticle


Internally, this rifle is a the ol' good AK-47, or, to be more precise - the Galil. The CR-21 has the same "old AK" style machined steel receiver, trigger and bolt group. Fire selector is a Galil-styled, ambidextrous, and located at the rear part of the gun. Safety switch is button-style, and located in the triggerguard. The receiver is fully enclosed in polymer buttstock, unlike the other latest bull-pup designs, where receivers are integral parts of the stock (or vice versa :). On the top of the receiver there is a rails for quick intercangeable scopes. Standart scope is 1X (no magnivication) with light gathering device and illuminated reticle (no batteries required).


If anyone has more photos of this gun or South African soldiers with the gun that would be great please post them.

[Trident-za]

Dennis, as far as I know, no conventional South African military unit has been issued with this weapon. The standard issue is still the R-4 (Galil), although the Special Forces may have used this one. If so, I've come across no photos/written accounts thereof.

[Gringo]

That looks a hell of a lot like the Israeli TAR21.

[Trident-za]

Yes, indeed. If you look at most "SA produced" weapons, they are nothing short of a locally manufactured verions of a foreign (particularly Israeli) weapon. The standard issue R-4 is essentially the Galil - they look almost identical, and work identically.

[Dennis G]

Thanks anyway. I to have never seen any SA troops with them. Think it has anything to with the 5.56 round. You would think that SA Forces fight more in the bush and need a bigger round and the .223 is to small.

It Does look alot like the TAR21

http://world.guns.ru/assault/vektor_cr21.jpghttp://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/tavor/tar21+nsaes-2.jpg

Thanks, Dennis

[khukuri]

Looks like anyother ****ty bullpupp rifle around which nobody whants to use.
Anybody know a good bullpup rifle besides famas.

[Trident-za]

Dennis, the standard South African R4 is also 5.56mm, so thats not the reason it's not being used. I have no idea what the reason is, though.

The SA army used to use the R1 (locally produced version of the FN FAL) which was 7.62mm. Much heavier weapon and too long for close in work in the bush, although I know many guys who swear by it's "stopping power".

[He219]

lenin wrote:

Anybody know a good bullpup rifle besides famas.

I did'nt realize the FAMAS was considered good! rofl

But since you ask.. how about the real deal:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/aug_r.jpg
Steyr Stg.77 AUG assault rifle (Austria) (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as20-e.htm)


p-)
He219

[Duke]

As I've stated before I'm a huge AUG fan, particularly now with it's new rail system.
http://www.steyr-aug.com/sidearmoraug01.jpg

[Loke]

Is that a 9mm magwell?

[Duke]

To tell you the truth, I had to look that up, and yes it is.

[rob]

internally it is identical to a ak. i really dont like bllpups but as hard as it is to admit it i do like the famas the most. sham about it being french. :bash:

here is some info http://world.guns.ru/assault/as26-e.htm

[Gringo]

I hate the FAMAS.
Just a question for anyone who has used it before, where is the safety catch/selector swith loacted on the FAMAS?
I've used the airsoft version which has the safety catch located behind the magazine housing!!! In my oppinion that's absolute madness to have a safety catch way back there.

[REMOV]

Just a question for anyone who has used it before, where is the safety catch/selector swith loacted on the FAMAS? Safety/fire selector (Three positions - Safe/Semi/Auto) is located within the triggerguard, just ahead of the trigger.
http://www.moneypit.net/~bhinton/French_FAMAS/famas-g1_r.jpg

[spier]

lenin wrote:

Anybody know a good bullpup rifle besides famas.

I did'nt realize the FAMAS was considered good! rofl

But since you ask.. how about the real deal:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/aug_r.jpg
Steyr Stg.77 AUG assault rifle (Austria) (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as20-e.htm)


p-)
He219Well, at least the FAMAS is better than the Steyr "Suicide Mission" Aug.

Anyone noticed how those new bullpups are all named "21"?
SAR-21
http://world.guns.ru/assault/sar21_3.jpg
TAR-21
http://world.guns.ru/assault/tavor-tar.jpg
CR21
http://world.guns.ru/assault/vektor_cr21.jpg

[REMOV]

Anyone noticed how those new bullpups are all named "21"?Spier, do you notice - accidentally maybe - a new 21st century? ;) Marketing managers did and using this magical number "21" everywhere: Army XXI, Force XXI, Agenda 21 etc.

[Walle]

The little "flag" in front of the trigger on the FA-MAS is just a secondary safety, it has no connection ti the mechanism whatsoever, the safe/semi/full safety, actually connected to the mechanism is located under the shoulderrest, between the magazinewell and the end of the gun...

Don't wanna be a besserwiser, sorry...

[HotelSecurity]

Screaming Eagle -

Please don't take this offensively, but you hate the FAMAS because you don't like the airsoft version?

I think it's rather annoying that people seem to fire airsoft guns and then make real life comparisons. An airsoft gun is a machine with a real gun's housing over it. It fires plastic BBs. It is not a real gun and can't be compared to such!

[ibstolidude]

I dislike to FAMAS to do the weight distribution

the magazie change and the over all "hieght/bulk above the barrell. I found it to be bulky...for long term carry I found it to be not very ergonomical in design of the foregrips and magazine release. But that could be do to muscle memory of other systems.

also the blow back kept putting smoke in our faces..for someone who trained with it for a long period of time, they may find those characteristics negligable.

[Gringo]

Screaming Eagle -

Please don't take this offensively, but you hate the FAMAS because you don't like the airsoft version?

I think it's rather annoying that people seem to fire airsoft guns and then make real life comparisons. An airsoft gun is a machine with a real gun's housing over it. It fires plastic BBs. It is not a real gun and can't be compared to such!

I don't hate it coz I don't like the airsoft version, I'm not that stupid :|

I dislike it's looks, bullpup design, where the safety is, difficult mag changes etc.
I generally dislike bullpups altogether.

[Royal]

Bullpups take some getting used to (particularly if you're used to 'standard' rifle - guilty as charged), but for accuracy, comapctness for AFV/OBUA work and FIWAF you can't beat them (IMHO).

The SA80 has it's problems :lol: , the FAMAS is awkward, and I don't much like the sights, the Aussie version of the Steyr is like an Airifx kit, but on the whole if I can't have an L96 or an AK, they're the way ahead - gasp I said it - the L85A2 is growing on me (just had a 5 day swan on Dartmoor with one and not a single problem)

[Chris1]

Welcome to the dark side Royal :D

[REMOV]

The little "flag" in front of the trigger on the FA-MAS is just a secondary safety, it has no connection ti the mechanism whatsoever, the safe/semi/full safety, actually connected to the mechanism is located under the shoulderrest, between the magazinewell and the end of the gun... I'm afraid not ;)

The FA MAS has fire selector inside the handguard, and the additional selector under the housing (behind the magazine). The second one turns on or off the 3 round burst mode.

Don't wanna be a besserwiser, sorry...Check your FA MAS again, ok? ;)

[James]

I spit on them all. Give me an SMLE! A M-1903 Springfield! Or, to be a little bit modern, and FAL or an M-14. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Just a thought.

[GLax]

not to change the subject or anything, but while we're on bullpups, how how the hell do you use a bayonet on those things? not that bayonets are used very often (if at all) but wouldnt your average basic training course train u to use a bayonet at some point? it just seems like you couldnt get much 'umph' behind a bullpup... just a thought, a wierd question perhaps...

[Ballistic]

As I've stated before I'm a huge AUG fan, particularly now with it's new rail system.
http://www.steyr-aug.com/sidearmoraug01.jpg

Bring that baby on for the Aussie Army please !!! That is real nice. Thanks for posting that Duke. By the way, is that the real dealio or just an Airsoft one ?

[REMOV]

I spit on them all. Give me an SMLE! A M-1903 Springfield! Or, to be a little bit modern, and FAL or an M-14. If it isn't broken, don't fix it.It maybe a surprise to you, but first bullpup rifle ever was made on base of SMLE (in 1903), also prototype models of FN FAL (in 1949) and M-14 (i.e. Garand T-31) were in bullpup design ;) And the second thing, modern bolt action rilfles are better than the old ones, and they are also in bullpup design e.g. AMP DSR-No.1 (see picture below).
http://www.snipersystems.co.uk/DSR/AMP1.jpg

[Mortimer]

As I've stated before I'm a huge AUG fan, particularly now with it's new rail system.
http://www.steyr-aug.com/sidearmoraug01.jpg

Bring that baby on for the Aussie Army please !!! That is real nice. Thanks for posting that Duke. By the way, is that the real dealio or just an Airsoft one ?

whats wrong with the Austeyr?

[xizero]

hey guys - the AUG never made it in the RSA cause it missfired too often -- the Swartklip ammmo we use is not very sensitive and less then 1 in 5 rounds would fire due to the light hammer inside it -- the CR-21 is ok but it is really just a nice dress for a R4 -- we are mostly using R5's these days -- - an R4 with the bipod and wire cutters removed and a shortened barrel with a new rifling optimised for the new cartridges and a new hand griip -- shortened gas group/piston etc...

its rugged though -- and pretty accurate - but then it seams to be in our blood to shoot straight - scored 98 out of 100 shots in a 200 mm grouping at 200 meters when i was in the army, most of the guys around me did pretty much the same.

[Liberator]

back to the CR-21
the ONLY one I can find
:)

http://afwweb.orcon.net.nz/cr21.jpg

[He219]

Wow, I thought this thread died in 2003.