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Secret Squirrel
05-30-2004, 06:38 PM
Anyone actually follow or know about his thoughts on the third AntiChrist? I cant seem to find the exact quotes just things like the following...

The third Antichrist II
In order to achieve the tremendous impact the first two antichrists had (if we accept that they where Hitler and Napoleon), a number of circumstances had to be accomplished.

Firstly the antichrists represented world powers and were able to motivate and inspire large number of followers.

Both Hitler and Napoleon were leaders of the most powerful nations at their times. They had the will and the means to achieve their goals no matter the cost and the consequences. They were able to sell their ideas to their followers and convince whole nations to participate in their plans.


The political and economic circumstances needed firm and resolute actions. The antichrists brought hope and strength. It was the objection by other nations that finally set off the slaughter between mankind. The cost and the consequences were large-scale death, destruction and suffering for France, Europe and the world in general.

It seems logic that the third antichrist will fit in, in that same way. He must be the leader of a most powerful nation at a certain moment in time. A man with the will and means to achieve his goals no matter the consequences. This leader will be loved by its own people and will lead them to believe that they deserve more and better. Under his leadership his own country will flourish and expand.

In the first stages, this antichrist will point out external enemies to give strength to his strategies. He will strive for a strong military and a stronger control on his own people, their opinions and actions.

The antichrist and his close followers have the uncanny ability to convince people of the right of their actions and their methods. Under other circumstances these methods would be unnecessary, unacceptable, wrong or illegal.

In order to expand his power, established international agreements get canceled or changed. Rules that apply to all countries and people will not be allowed to apply to him or his people.

The antichrist will follow a strategy of expansion: nations will be manipulated, countries invaded and control of natural resources reallocated in order to improve the quality of life of his own people and to ensure their safety.

The consequences of the growth and success of this one nation will negatively affect other countries. Initially the politics followed, will cause unrest, discussion, frustration, doubts, unbelief etcetera but no actions.

The stronger and more influential the nation of the antichrist is, the longer it takes for other countries to take defensive measurements. When countries finally stand up and join together against this power it will be the beginning of large-scale destruction.

budanski
05-30-2004, 06:42 PM
Lemme guess, Starts with George, with W. as its middle initials, and ends with Bush? :P

Secret Squirrel
05-30-2004, 06:45 PM
Lemme guess, Starts with George, with W. as its middle initials, and ends with Bush? :P

rofl Maybe...but i was more interested in the idea of whether Nostradamus predicted history or if his predictions were molded to fit history...well that and i was trying to find a translation that discusses the third antichrist. I cant remember the name of the third antichrist but according to some sort of language rules (shrugs) the name can be changed to spell out forms of Laden or Saddam. But again, not trying to get into the whole Iraq conflict, just trying to start a discussion around Nostradamus' prediction.

molly747
05-30-2004, 06:58 PM
I saw a special like this on the History Channel not too long ago. Most of these Nostradamus 'predictions' on the internet are actually fake. Do yourself a favor and read a book on the real Nostradamus, then you'll see how actually vague and nonsensical his stuff is.

ronin2172
05-30-2004, 07:19 PM
most people mold his predictions to fit history, funny how all these people say he predicted these events....the rise of hitler, 9/11 and such...AFTER they happened. They never said people in NYC should watch out on September 11, but after it happened they all jumped up and said Nastradamus predicted it, what freakin use is his 'predictions' if they only 'discover' their meaning after the fact?
It ain't like he ever gave a specific time, place, or person in his predictions...hell i can say right now sometime in the next century there is gonna be a major war in africa. If it comes true does that make me a prognosticator of mystic proportions? His stuff is kinda like a self fufilling prophecy for the gullible.

Secret Squirrel
05-30-2004, 07:22 PM
I saw a special like this on the History Channel not too long ago. Most of these Nostradamus 'predictions' on the internet are actually fake. Do yourself a favor and read a book on the real Nostradamus, then you'll see how actually vague and nonsensical his stuff is.

I think I saw the same show on the history channel. I thought it was kind of interesting but as with everything its open to intrepretation. I've read some of his stuff, translated of course, but i've never seen the predictions regarding the third antichrist.

Secret Squirrel
05-30-2004, 07:28 PM
most people mold his predictions to fit history, funny how all these people say he predicted these events....the rise of hitler, 9/11 and such...AFTER they happened. They never said people in NYC should watch out on September 11, but after it happened they all jumped up and said Nastradamus predicted it, what freakin use is his 'predictions' if they only 'discover' their meaning after the fact?
It ain't like he ever gave a specific time, place, or person in his predictions...hell i can say right now sometime in the next century there is gonna be a major war in africa. If it comes true does that make me a prognosticator of mystic proportions? His stuff is kinda like a self fufilling prophecy for the gullible.

Yea part of the 911 prediction was the creation of an internet hoax. The authentic translation regarding 911 is...

"The sky will burn at forty-five degrees latitude,
Fire approaches the great new city
Immediately a huge, scattered flame leaps up
When they want to have verification from the Normans.

As you can see, Nostradamus made no mention of "two steel birds" in the original text, nor did he predict that "the undead will roam the earth." As to the geographical location of New York City, it is found at exactly 40 degrees, 42 minutes, 51 seconds north latitude, so, while it isn't false to say that it lies "between 40-45 degrees," it is imprecise, as well as an obvious, misleading ploy to make what Nostradamus really wrote ("The sky will burn at forty-five degrees latitude") seem applicable to the events of September 11." http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historical/a/nostradamus_2.htm.