Keither Olberman refers to US troops as "cold blooded killers". [Archive]

AGE-Ranger

05-18-2008, 09:06 AM

Olberman gave his little rant a few night ago, but a lot of groups are now calling for his firing, after more light was shed on this quote.

Mr. Bush, at long last, has it not dawned on you that the America you have now created, includes "cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objectives?"

Hes basically saying that Bush has created an America where "cold blooded killers" carry out his political objectives. This is just beyond the pale in my opinion and I hope this nut job is at least suspended and gives an apology. His video will most likely be used in our enemy's propaganda, much like Murtha's cold blooded killer footage, which will lead to some young man or woman being killed. I'm all for free speech, but not when its hate speech and puts our troops in danger.

Miggie

05-18-2008, 11:19 AM

The rants he goes off on, on his show was amazing. I was utterly stunned when I decided to watch his show one time. My father in law said, " if you want to know what the other side is thinking, watch MSNBC." So I did and I was completely stunned. There is no arguing with any of them because they are just angry people. Arguing with angry, unfounded people is pointless. They have no points to counterpoint, so its useless. I hope he would be repremanded, but I know, just as in his show, he'll be patted on the back by all of his guests. Ass hats

stuntman

05-18-2008, 11:33 AM

Olberman gave his little rant a few night ago, but a lot of groups are now calling for his firing, after more light was shed on this quote.

Hes basically saying that Bush has created an America where "cold blooded killers" carry out his political objectives. This is just beyond the pale in my opinion and I hope this nut job is at least suspended and gives an apology. His video will most likely be used in our enemy's propaganda, much like Murtha's cold blooded killer footage, which will lead to some young man or woman being killed. I'm all for free speech, but not when its hate speech and puts our troops in danger.

I think Olberman is a idiot jerkoff leftist. Now that it has been said I think he was referring to the president and his staff or maybe current/future Government.

achieve their political objectives
This part of the quote has nothing to do with soldier in my personal opinion, but more to do with future politicians with ambitions of office, who are willing to further their career (political) no matter what the consequence. I may be wrong or even naive but I cant imagine he is willing to risk his career for his so call ideology. Truth is, he only cares about his job, he wants to make his constituency happy but not at the expense of his career.

BY the way I cant stand this idiot.

AGE-Ranger

05-18-2008, 11:38 AM

I think Olberman is a idiot jerkoff leftist. Now that it has been said I think he was referring to the president and his staff or maybe current/future Government.

This part of the quote has nothing to do with soldier in my personal opinion, but more to do with future politicians with ambitions of office, who are willing to further their career (political) no matter what the consequence. I may be wrong or even naive but I cant imagine he is willing to risk his career for his so call ideology. Truth is, he only cares about his job, he wants to make his constituency happy but not at the expense of his career.

BY the way I cant stand this idiot.

Even if he did mean the administration, does that make it any better? Hes talking about bush's tools and giving the words he uses, soldiers could easily fall under this umbrella.

stuntman

05-18-2008, 11:52 AM

Even if he did mean the administration, does that make it any better? Hes talking about bush's tools and giving the words he uses, soldiers could easily fall under this umbrella.

I think I see your point. You mean this broad brush approach is a subtle way of attacking the troops? I can see this nut testing the waters for that. If he is then he deserves to be fired and shunned.

AGE-Ranger

05-18-2008, 12:01 PM

I think I see your point. You mean this broad brush approach is a subtle way of attacking the troops? I can see this nut testing the waters for that. If he is then he deserves to be fired and shunned.

They wont admit it, but most the people who watch him don't like the troops. They see the troops as tools of an "unlawful war" and see them as stormtroopers of sorts.

When he slams them this way, he energizes his audience, but still has room to claim he wasn't speaking of the troops.

Power_serj

05-18-2008, 12:26 PM

What the hell is wrong with this guy! Republicans need an Al-Sharpton to put people like this in their place!

Alexandr

05-18-2008, 12:33 PM

LOL at MSNBC - most biased TV channel in world history, - those guys just pro-attention whores with "Sensation!Sensation" screams every 5 minutes.I got about 30 US chanells in my cabel TV set,and ill prefer FOX over MSNBC every time

Pars

05-18-2008, 12:51 PM

eskachig

05-18-2008, 12:56 PM

This dude represents the left as much as bill o'reilly represents the right. Both of them are morons whose job is to make as many people pissed off as possible - most likely the angry viewers form the bulk of their audience.

szr

05-18-2008, 01:00 PM

I hope he does get fired. When I'm watching Sunday Night Football the last thing I want to see is Keith Olbermann's face jawing away at me ON A FOOTBALL SHOW.

Skutatos

05-18-2008, 01:00 PM

Hah! MSNBC is biased but FOX isn't? :D

Watch both of them, then compare. MSNBC is far more biased then FOX.

A study done about election coverage and which station was the most unbiased:
http://www.cmpa.com/releases/07_12_21_Election_Study.pdf

Shadowstorm

05-18-2008, 01:03 PM

Hah! MSNBC is biased but FOX isn't? :D
MSNBC is way more biased than Fox News. I used to watch MSNBC a few years ago, but I stop watching, because of there bulls**t they throwing around.

AGE-Ranger

05-18-2008, 01:28 PM

Hah! MSNBC is biased but FOX isn't? :D

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx?RelNum=6664

"I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican," said Tim Groseclose, a UCLA political scientist and the study's lead author. "But I was surprised at just how ****ounced the distinctions are."
"Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left," said co‑author Jeffrey Milyo, University of Missouri economist and public policy scholar.

Pars

05-18-2008, 01:54 PM

SoCalEMT

05-18-2008, 02:24 PM

Pars,
MSNBC isn't any more biased than FOX. They are the opposite sides of the same annoying coin. Anybody that gets their information from cable T.V, irrespective of source, is undeserving of an opinion. T.V. is an entertainment media. Nothing more, nothing less. Unfortunately many on both sides of the political spectrum either forget, or are wholly ignorant, of this fact.

SoCalEMT

Pars

05-18-2008, 02:31 PM

Fair enough.

Hollis

05-18-2008, 02:40 PM

I just to watch FOX too, right back after 9/11 - we used to get it on satelite in Norway. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, it was hard for me to see them as a serious news outlet. MSNBC I haven't seen any, but I find it very hard to believe their any more biased then the notorious FOX News.

Fox presents the conservative view. So it also depends on ones own personal bias. Liberals whine about Fox, Conservatives whine about CNN, MSNBC, ABC, & NPR. Partisan politics rule in the US to the apoint where the truth is almost completely lost. But then again, a lot of the "free world" media is like that.

Shadowstorm

05-18-2008, 02:53 PM

Fox presents the conservative view. So it also depends on ones own personal bias. Liberals whine about Fox, Conservatives whine about CNN, MSNBC, ABC, & NPR. Partisan politics rule in the US to the apoint where the truth is almost completely lost. But then again, a lot of the "free world" media is like that.
X2, I agree with you there.

JKD

05-18-2008, 02:53 PM

Olbermann's a self-absorbed blow-hard just like all the rest. Unlike a lot of others though he's got a sense of humor which can make him a little more palatable at times.

I could be wrong but in this case I think he was talking about Cheney and Co. when he says "there are those in or formerly in your employ who may yet be charged someday with war crimes". Either way it's poorly and vaguely worded and he left himself open to interpretation/misinterpretation.

He doesn't really strike me as against the troops. He often discusses veteran's issues and has Paul Rieckhoff on fairly regularly

Kaplanr

05-18-2008, 04:33 PM

They wont admit it, but most the people who watch him don't like the troops. They see the troops as tools of an "unlawful war" and see them as stormtroopers of sorts.

When he slams them this way, he energizes his audience, but still has room to claim he wasn't speaking of the troops.

And you know this because...? You've polled them or had them over for dinner and asked? C'mon, Olberman is doing exactly what Rush has been doing for 15-20 years; it's the same ****, different audience.

But then I don't watch FOX or MSNBC.

Alexandr

05-18-2008, 04:45 PM

Hah! MSNBC is biased but FOX isn't? :D

FOX didnt covering they status as pro-govermernt channel,when MSNBC filthy playing "indipendant media" card.I would belive honest one in that comparment.

iLikeFlickerstick

05-18-2008, 07:11 PM

Olberman gave his little rant a few night ago, but a lot of groups are now calling for his firing, after more light was shed on this quote.

Hes basically saying that Bush has created an America where "cold blooded killers" carry out his political objectives. This is just beyond the pale in my opinion and I hope this nut job is at least suspended and gives an apology. His video will most likely be used in our enemy's propaganda, much like Murtha's cold blooded killer footage, which will lead to some young man or woman being killed. I'm all for free speech, but not when its hate speech and puts our troops in danger.

What is the matter with you?!

Do you honestly think that if you criticize the President, his staff, their politics or even the war itself, that it means you must hate the soldiers??

I hate this war, I hate the fact that we're over there for so many reasons, and in fact, I don't think I will ever be in support of any war. I understand that sometimes, it may be a matter of survival, WWII, but don't ask me to love it.

But how can that mean you hate the soldiers. Any reasonably intelligent person can see that war is always initiated by leaders, and their foreign policy. What do you think some people honestly believe that the Marines just decided to go to Baghdad and start some ****?

and besides, Keith douche bag Olberman didn't say anything about soldiers. From what I can tell, he seems to be talking about Bush's aggressive foreign policy. And that should always be on the table for debate.

Don't try and stifle legitimate debate by hiding behind the crazy notion that we don't support the troops and are "putting them in danger". How the hell could anything Keith says put a solder in danger. Please tell me. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/smilies/icon_ohmygod.gif

Midav

05-18-2008, 07:22 PM

Fox is more balanced than MSNBC.

May as well call MSNBC the Obama News Network™

AGE-Ranger

05-18-2008, 07:53 PM

Do you honestly think that if you criticize the President, his staff, their politics or even the war itself, that it means you must hate the soldiers??Who is the soldier's boss? Its the president! What Olberman said here extends to the soldiers! I don't know how you can call this debate or criticism. Its nothing more that hysterical scaremongering, with nothing to back it up!

JKD

05-18-2008, 08:44 PM

Who is the soldier's boss? Its the president! What Olberman said here extends to the soldiers!

http://i30.tinypic.com/29vgoqf.jpg

INAT

05-18-2008, 09:00 PM

JKD that cartoon was made for this thread.I don't see what the point of arguing which side is more biased MSNBC or FOX does it really matter if
one is slightly more biased than the other? They both have a target audience and they both have an agenda and they both thrive off of sensationalism more than real news.The media is not here to fully inform
but rather to form public opinion.They are a business and they have a bottom line.

dangerdan87

05-18-2008, 09:32 PM

Olberman is a douche. I guess hes never been shot at or in a threatful situation.

Firetxmi

05-18-2008, 09:55 PM

Who is the soldier's boss? Its the president! What Olberman said here extends to the soldiers! I don't know how you can call this debate or criticism.

My God, JKD, you hit it on the head with that cartoon!

Beautiful! :D

helomech

05-18-2008, 10:13 PM

I hope he does get fired. When I'm watching Sunday Night Football the last thing I want to see is Keith Olbermann's face jawing away at me ON A FOOTBALL SHOW.

If they have not fired this a_ssclown Olbermann by now,they aren't going to;he brings in limited numbers of viewers and apparently that's all MSNBC cares' about regardless of the fact he is an imflammatory fvcktard from the word go.............

IraGlacialis

05-18-2008, 10:55 PM

You guys realize that angry reactions are just what this tool likes. Friendliness doesn't gain viewership.

Conservatives whine about ... NPR.
Interestingly, I hear quite a few complaints from liberals towards NPR as well. Though 2Shed's NPR rants still take the cake.

Merfeller

05-19-2008, 12:12 AM

I never watch MSNBC and even if I did I would skip Olberman's show. To me he's still a ****ty, half wit, ESPN sports commentator. I couldn't take him seriously as a journalist.

noname

05-19-2008, 12:56 AM

Olberman is a douche. I guess hes never been shot at or in a threatful situation.

Too bad really. Especially because he probably wouldn't make it if the triggerman was a good shot.p-)

Buckeye67

05-19-2008, 12:58 AM

What the hell is wrong with this guy! Republicans need an Al-Sharpton to put people like this in their place!

Her name is Ann Coulter.

...and just so's not to be totally off topic, Olberman is a douche. Unfortunately as things have developed, tv news programming has shifted from reporting the news (if that ever was its real focus) to being an entertainment medium. They're plugging away for the best ratings, not necessarily for actually reporting the news.

Kak

05-19-2008, 02:26 AM

I'm a liberal (mostly) and I can't stand Olberman and especially his show, where he just has friends on and they spend an hour agreeing with each other. Other than him and Chris Mathews though, the rest of MSNBC is fairly balanced (probably less so than CNN though). It's less than it used to be though, since they recently canceled Tucker Carlson's (Conservative) show, but he's still on often as an analyst and the show they replaced it with, David Gregory's Race for the Whitehouse, is pretty fair since Gregory (though tough on Bush as the Whitehouse corrispondant as that was his job) is a professional and he always has a panel of liberals and conservatives. MSNBC also has 3 hours of Morning Joe with Joe Scarborough (longest show on the channel), a former Republican congressman. Pat Buchanon also makes appearances on MSNBC several times every day, and he's a conservative Republican, although an isolationist.

AGE-Ranger

05-19-2008, 08:32 AM

http://i30.tinypic.com/29vgoqf.jpg

I don't really think its apt, because association is inferred when it's clearly aimed at one person. In this case, Olberman actually casts blame on "Americans who are willing to kill for the policy.

MSNBC also has 3 hours of Morning Joe with Joe Scarborough (longest show on the channel), a former Republican congressman. Pat Buchanon also makes appearances on MSNBC several times every day, and he's a conservative Republican, although an isolationist.Ugh, I lost all respect for Joe because of that show. Hes this lone RINO, surrounded by frothing at the mouth liberals (Mika Bra-zin-ski). Morning Joe gives the illusion of balance, but its not at all really.

Interestingly, I hear quite a few complaints from liberals towards NPR as well. Though 2Shed's NPR rants still take the cake.

I used to be a pretty liberal guy and constantly listened to NPR, but it ended up being what got me disliking "the left". It was NPR that made me realize I'm a Republican. :)

Jobu

05-19-2008, 10:18 AM

I prefer to get my political commentary from Stuart Scott.

Mackie

05-19-2008, 10:26 AM

Power_serj

05-19-2008, 11:27 AM

Her name is Ann Coulter.

...and just so's not to be totally off topic, Olberman is a douche. Unfortunately as things have developed, tv news programming has shifted from reporting the news (if that ever was its real focus) to being an entertainment medium. They're plugging away for the best ratings, not necessarily for actually reporting the news.

Shes endorsing Clinton....That's like Al Sharpton helping a white guy in a legal battle against a black guy.

JKD

05-19-2008, 02:26 PM

I don't really think its apt, because association is inferred when it's clearly aimed at one person. In this case, Olberman actually casts blame on "Americans who are willing to kill for the policy.

I didn't post the cartoon in response to anything Olbermann said but to your reply when "Do you honestly think that if you criticize the President, his staff, their politics or even the war itself, that it means you must hate the soldiers?"

AGE-Ranger

05-19-2008, 02:33 PM

I didn't post the cartoon in response to anything Olbermann said but to your reply when "Do you honestly think that if you criticize the President, his staff, their politics or even the war itself, that it means you must hate the soldiers?"

No, I said:

Who is the soldier's boss? Its the president! What Olberman said here extends to the soldiers! Which is exactly the distinction between what Olberman said and what is going on in this comic. Olberman said Bush has "created Americans" to do the killing for him. Olberman could have said "The president is killing people", but he didn't.

Buckeye67

05-19-2008, 02:37 PM

Shes endorsing Clinton....That's like Al Sharpton helping a white guy in a legal battle against a black guy.

She said from the beginning that she'd endorse Clinton if McCain got the Republican nomination (because McCain's about as far from the 'core values' of the Republican party as Clinton is). She didn't suddenly have FDR appear to her in a dream and tell her to become a liberal. :p

What it's like, is Al Sharpton endorsing a white guy if Walter E. Williams became the "black" candidate for head of the NAACP.

Coulter* is still (one of) the extreme wing of the Republican party's mouthpiece, and certainly the one that drives the most people nuts, much like Sharpton.

*I dislike all of that ilk, on both sides of the political aisle.**

**I would still probably hit it though.

JKD

05-19-2008, 03:07 PM

No, I said:

Which is exactly the distinction between what Olberman said and what is going on in this comic. Olberman said Bush has "created Americans" to do the killing for him. Olberman could have said "The president is killing people", but he didn't.

you were asked:

Do you honestly think that if you criticize the President, his staff, their politics or even the war itself, that it means you must hate the soldiers??
to which you replied

Who is the soldier's boss? Its the president! What Olberman said here extends to the soldiers! I don't know how you can call this debate or criticism.
Now the part I put in bold particularly when coupled with the quote you were responding to, sure sounds like you're trying to make the two inseparable. Criticism of one is criticism of the other.

Now maybe I'm just reading it wrong. If so, fine, I cede the point. But that's not what it looks like.

AGE-Ranger

05-19-2008, 03:32 PM

you were asked:

to which you replied

Now the part I put in bold particularly when coupled with the quote you were responding to, sure sounds like you're trying to make the two inseparable. Criticism of one is criticism of the other.

Now maybe I'm just reading it wrong. If so, fine, I cede the point. But that's not what it looks like.

How am I doing it? Did I say it? No, Olberamn did.

He made an ambiguous statement about Bush turning "American's" in to killers for his political goals. Who is Americans and who is doing the killing? Like I said, if Olberman would have said, "Bush is a killer who kills for his political goals", that would be one thing. I'm sounding like a broken record here but you don't seem to be grasping the distinction. The question I was asked and you quoted, was based on the false premise that Olberman criticized the President, his staff and their politics, which he didn't.

Hes simply speaking to his viewers who think along the lines of Democrat John Murtha:
http://www.youtube.com/v/JWkqVVAETCM&hl=en

JKD

05-19-2008, 03:51 PM

The question I was asked and you quoted, was based on the false premise that Olberman criticized the President, his staff and their politics, which he didn't.
How do you know it's false? My Mind Reader 9000 is broken so I just have to rely on what is said or written. As I said in an earlier post it sounds like Olbermann was taking a stab at those in the administration not the military.

AGE-Ranger

05-19-2008, 04:04 PM

How do you know it's false? My Mind Reader 9000 is broken so I just have to rely on what is said or written. As I said in an earlier post it sounds like Olbermann was taking a stab at those in the administration not the military.
Who in the administration is killing people?

JKD

05-19-2008, 04:22 PM

Who in the administration is killing people?
I'd say through their policies they've gotten a large number of people killed for their political objectives. The military's just going to go over to Iraq and get involved in a war without the civilian leadership's say so?

Like I said earlier, "there are those in or formerly in your employ who may yet be charged someday with war crimes" doesn't sound like he's talking about the military. And also as I said, it is vaguely worded and I could be wrong.

AGE-Ranger

05-20-2008, 09:07 AM

Hes responded to the nation regarding his comments and what does he do? He claims right wing radio show hosts hate the troops. I kid you not...

I cannot imagine that kind of evil knee-jerk reflex. I feel very sorry for those that have shown it. It seems to me these right-wingers have inadvertently shown their true colors, their instinctive hatred for, and contempt for those self-sacrificing Americans who have been needlessly placed in harm's way and the politicians they support. They hear criticism of our nation's collective conduct in Iraq, and they immediately assume it's the fault of the soldiers. In the wake of an insult that exists only in their minds and never in my words or in my heart, there remains I think only one question to ask: Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin, why do you hate our troops?

In short - I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!