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05-31-2004, 09:10 AM
May 31, 2004

All-American icon was shot dead in blunder by own platoon
From Roland Watson in Washington





THE former American football player whose death in combat last month turned him into a patriotic icon was killed by friendly fire, the US military has revealed.

Pat Tillman, who walked away from a $3.6 million (£2 million) football contract to join the US Army after the September 11 terrorist attacks, was said initially to have died charging uphill towards the enemy in Afghanistan. An internal report released at the weekend revealed that in fact Corporal Tillman was shot in error by members of his own platoon.

The news came as US forces in Afghanistan suffered one of their worst days since the fall of the Taleban. Four soldiers were killed, taking the US death toll in Afghanistan to 90.

Corporal Tillman died after his unit of US Army Rangers became bedevilled by a series of mishaps. Operating about 100 miles south of Kabul near the Pakistani border, the unit split into two when one of its vehicles broke down. The group in the rear, which included Corporal Tillman, was then ambushed, sparking a 20-minute gunfight. On hearing the shots, the unit’s lead group returned to the scene, where, in poor visibility, the platoon commander mistakenly identified a soldier with the Afghan Milita Force, fighting alongside Corporal Tillman, as an enemy. Other US troops followed their commander’s lead, turning their guns on the Afghan and Corporal Tillman.

Military chiefs said that Corporal Tillman, who received a posthumous Silver Star for combat bravery, remained a hero, despite the amended account of his death. Lieutenant-General Philip Kensinger, said: “The results of this investigation in no way diminish the bravery and sacrifice displayed by Corporal Tillman. Corporal Tillman was shot and killed while responding to enemy fire without regard for his own safety.”

The news hit the United States as the country was engaged in a reflection on the costs of war. Tens of thousands of military veterans poured into Washington on Saturday to attend the official opening of the long-planned Second World War memorial.

President Bush will today mark Memorial Day, when the US remembers its fallen troops, by delivering an address and laying a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. With his political fortunes tied closely to developments in Iraq, Mr Bush’s supporters used Sunday television talk shows to suggest that the President was turning a corner. They are looking to the emergence of an interim Iraqi government and the promise of Shiabrokered peace in Najaf as developments that could soon start to lift Mr Bush’s approval ratings.

Mr Bush showed how his incumbency, if used astutely, could benefit him in the coming weeks. On television he commanded a television audience of millions as he delivered a stirring homage to the Second World War generation.

John Kerry, his Democratic challenger, used newspaper interviews to insist that he would be as tough as Mr Bush on terrorism, but with different means.

He accused Mr Bush of being “myopic” on Iraq and of ignoring growing threats from North Korea and Iran. He said that the Bush Administration had been “high on ideology and low on actual strategic thinking”.

seruriermarshal
05-31-2004, 09:13 AM
Like these ?

:roll:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16027

MARINO
05-31-2004, 09:34 AM
He is still a real Hero. RIP

scm77
05-31-2004, 09:44 AM
Yeah, it doesn't matter how he died.

RIP

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7771/PatTillman.jpg

Secret Squirrel
05-31-2004, 09:59 AM
He is still a real Hero. RIP

The point is, why was his death worth so much more than other soldiers who had died in Ghanny? Why the attempted cover-up with the real details being released painfully? When, either before or after Tillman's death, did you hear the name of a soldier who died in Ghanny?

cut
05-31-2004, 10:01 AM
Like these ?

:roll:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16027

missed that one, but this one is from a different source

Jack Mehoff
05-31-2004, 10:22 AM
He is still a real Hero. RIP

The point is, why was his death worth so much more than other soldiers who had died in Ghanny? Why the attempted cover-up with the real details being released painfully? When, either before or after Tillman's death, did you hear the name of a soldier who died in Ghanny?

1) Tell me if you know any serviceman abandons the life of luxury and fame to become an Army Ranger and earn $18,000 a year.

2) Who is attempted to cover up his real death? The U.S. government? last time I checked it was the government who released this info.

I think you meant the Martian, right?

Dennis G
05-31-2004, 10:32 AM
May all Soldiers that have died Rest In Peace

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040529/capt.ny11805291134.tillman_investigation_ny118.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20040529/mdf581385.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20040501/mdf553311.jpg<--Looks a little better without the words

Secret Squirrel
05-31-2004, 10:35 AM
He is still a real Hero. RIP

The point is, why was his death worth so much more than other soldiers who had died in Ghanny? Why the attempted cover-up with the real details being released painfully? When, either before or after Tillman's death, did you hear the name of a soldier who died in Ghanny?

1) Tell me if you know any serviceman abandons the life of luxury and fame to become an Army Ranger and earn $18,000 a year.

2) Who is attempted to cover up his real death? The U.S. government? last time I checked it was the government who released this info.

I think you meant the Martian, right?

1) Death has a way of making people equal

2) U.S's verion of Tillman's death went something like this...he died while charging into a hail of gun fire...he might have died by friendly fire while charging into a hail of gun fire...its highly probable that he died by friendly fire while charging into gun fire...he definitedly died by friendly fire by a company ahead of his when that company heard gun fire...hrm each update keeps getting closer and closer to the Afghan Offical's version which stated that there wasnt an ambush but an explosion prompted the friendly fire incident.

Jack Mehoff
05-31-2004, 10:43 AM
Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensinger, USASOC’s commanding general, was to issue a statement about a completed military investigation into the circumstances of Tillman’s death, the Army said in a statement released late Friday.

Afghan official rofl ? What the hell Afghan official doing an investigation about a death of a U.S. soldier or why would they care? It takes all kind of investigations and specialists and then autopsy for that kind of investigation. Sounds like some Afghan "official" pulled that story out of his ass.

Secret Squirrel
05-31-2004, 10:56 AM
Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensinger, USASOC’s commanding general, was to issue a statement about a completed military investigation into the circumstances of Tillman’s death, the Army said in a statement released late Friday.

Afghan official rofl ? What the hell Afghan official doing an investigation about a death of a U.S. soldier or why would they care? It takes all kind of investigations and specialists and then autopsy for that kind of investigation. Sounds like some Afghan "official" pulled that story out of his ass.

Well let me spell it out for you incase you havent learned to read...there were Afghan forces with the Americans.

cut
05-31-2004, 11:01 AM
that means he was a soldier not an afghan official

Jack Mehoff
05-31-2004, 11:05 AM
Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensinger, USASOC’s commanding general, was to issue a statement about a completed military investigation into the circumstances of Tillman’s death, the Army said in a statement released late Friday.

Afghan official rofl ? What the hell Afghan official doing an investigation about a death of a U.S. soldier or why would they care? It takes all kind of investigations and specialists and then autopsy for that kind of investigation. Sounds like some Afghan "official" pulled that story out of his ass.

Well let me spell it out for you incase you havent learned to read...there were Afghan forces with the Americans.


And let me spell something in case you are too dumb to understand. It takes MORE than just "being" there to investigate something like this. What make you think US Army just hand over Pat Tillman's body to Afghan official so they could do an autopsy...not to mention it would take a while because there is a war in Afghan? We have a team in U.S. military
specialize just for job like that.

Last year a guy from my unit died from a rolled over 5-ton. U.S. Army sent a team all the way from Fort Carson to investigated the case although it was pretty clear what caused the accident.

If you don't know **** about U.S. military and how it works. Please proceed to shut your pie hole.

Secret Squirrel
05-31-2004, 11:26 AM
Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensinger, USASOC’s commanding general, was to issue a statement about a completed military investigation into the circumstances of Tillman’s death, the Army said in a statement released late Friday.

Afghan official rofl ? What the hell Afghan official doing an investigation about a death of a U.S. soldier or why would they care? It takes all kind of investigations and specialists and then autopsy for that kind of investigation. Sounds like some Afghan "official" pulled that story out of his ass.

Well let me spell it out for you incase you havent learned to read...there were Afghan forces with the Americans.


And let me spell something in case you are too dumb to understand. It takes MORE than just "being" there to investigate something like this. What make you think US Army just hand over Pat Tillman's body to Afghan official so they could do an autopsy...not to mention it would take a while because there is a war in Afghan? We have a team in U.S. military
specialize just for job like that.

Last year a guy from my unit died from a rolled over 5-ton. U.S. Army sent a team all the way from Fort Carson to investigated the case although it was pretty clear what caused the accident.

If you don't know **** about U.S. military and how it works. Please proceed to shut your pie hole.

Whos talking about the U.S's investigation? I merely stated, and quite correctly if you look back on the reports from the U.S, that their version is getting closer and closer to the Afghan Offical's version with each update. The Afghan Offical investigated and his men told him that there wasnt an ambush. Now, the unit that was shot at by friendies was the unit with the Afghan soldiers(i believe) (the current U.S version has someone mistaking an Afghan soldier for an enemy combatant). Therefore, the Afghan soldiers, if there had been an ambush, would have been in the middle of it. However, they reported that there wasnt an ambush but just an explosion. See, its not hard to understand when you think before you speak.

Jack Mehoff
05-31-2004, 11:34 AM
Another thing, those Afghan troops who were with the Rangers when they took fire would not say a damn thing IF U.S. military tell them to zip it about the FF that killed SPC Tillman.

What are they going to do? Declare Jihad on the Americans because we killed one of our own guy then tell them(Afghan troops) to be quiet about it?

Secret Squirrel
05-31-2004, 11:40 AM
Another thing, those Afghan troops who were with the Rangers when they took fire would not say a damn thing IF U.S. military tell them to zip it about the FF that killed SPC Tillman.

What are they going to do? Declare Jihad on the Americans because we killed one of our own guy then tell them(Afghan troops) to be quiet about it?

But the Afghan forces did report what they saw, which was no ambush, an explosion, and friendly fire.