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ariweiner
05-31-2004, 10:02 AM
U.S. soldiers allegedly stole from civilians

By Eric Schmitt

NEW YORK TIMES

WASHINGTON - The Army is investigating at least two dozen cases in which American soldiers are accused of assaulting civilian Iraqis or stealing their money, jewelry and other property during raids, patrols and house-to-house searches, senior Defense Department officials said Sunday.

In some instances, investigators say, soldiers were reported to have stolen cash from Iraqis they stopped at roadside checkpoints, apparently under the pretext of confiscating money from suspected insurgents or their financial backers.

The Army's Criminal Investigation Command is also examining at least six cases in which soldiers on missions reportedly kicked, punched or beat civilian Iraqis, or fired their weapons near the Iraqis to scare or intimidate them.

Those statistics and broad descriptions are included in an internal summary prepared this month by the investigation command at the request of senior Army officials who are struggling to understand the scope of mistreatment and potential crimes committed by U.S. soldiers in Iraq beyond the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison and other Army-run detention sites.

While military officials here and in Iraq say the reports of thievery and lawlessness are isolated cases among more than 135,000 U.S. troops, other military officials say the official numbers probably underestimate the actual offenses because most Iraqis are too frightened to file a formal complaint with the U.S. authorities.

The Army has acknowledged it is investigating 37 deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan involving prisoners in U.S. custody.

Other confidential Army documents have chronicled a widespread pattern of abuse involving prisoners in U.S. custody in Iraq and Afghanistan that implicates more military units than previously known.

But this new summary of previously undisclosed reported abuses, a description of which was provided by a senior Defense official, widens the scope of potential wrongdoing beyond the walls of Abu Ghraib and other prisons, to the daily operations of U.S. forces in Iraq.

"We want to be viewed as liberators and as examples of a professional army working for the good of people," said the Defense official.

"To have a soldier act criminally certainly can damage that reputation. For your average Iraqi, the question becomes: What's the difference between what Saddam Hussein's forces did and what these soldiers did?"

The summary lists categories of offenses under review -- 18 theft and six assault cases in Iraq as of May 21 -- but it does not describe details of each incident, which units were involved, whether each case is pending or closed, or what, if any, disciplinary action was taken.

The incidents were reported to have taken place in the past 15 months and were reported by Iraqis and, in a few cases, by U.S. soldiers.

Military officials said it was difficult to compare the figures with those of other areas where U.S. troops are operating, including Afghanistan, where the United States has only 10,000 troops, and is conducting far fewer house-to-house searches and roadside checkpoints than in Iraq.

A spokesman for the investigation command did not respond to several phone calls and e-mail messages over the weekend.

Senior military officials have reluctantly acknowledged that small numbers of an American force in Iraq that they characterize as well-trained and highly disciplined have committed assaults, thefts and other abuses against civilian Iraqis, outside detention sites, since U.S. troops invaded Iraq in March 2003.

"There have been, sadly, cases where soldiers have operated outside established, trained rules of engagement and rules for the use of force -- a very, very small number in a force of over 150,000," Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the military's chief spokesman in Iraq, told reporters on March 22.

"While each of those cases is nothing to take great pride in, the fact is that 99-plus percent of the soldiers are operating well within those rules of engagement, under very tough conditions, showing remarkable restraint, day after day, operating inside this country," Kimmitt added.

One Defense official cautioned on Friday that the summary figures for reported thefts and assaults against Iraqis outside detention sites are just the beginning.

The official said several Iraqis and some soldiers had come forward since the summary was prepared to make more reports of abuses, emboldened by the highly publicized Abu Ghraib cases.

usa320
05-31-2004, 12:07 PM
Not that i condone this behavior, but our soldiers have enough to worry about already- getting shot or riding over an IED, to have to worry about, and second guess every decision that make in fear of being investigated by some committee.

UkrainianAmerican
05-31-2004, 12:19 PM
Not that i condone this behavior, but our soldiers have enough to worry about already- getting shot or riding over an IED, to have to worry about, and second guess every decision that make in fear of being investigated by some committee.
Word.

Secret Squirrel
05-31-2004, 12:44 PM
Not that i condone this behavior, but our soldiers have enough to worry about already- getting shot or riding over an IED, to have to worry about, and second guess every decision that make in fear of being investigated by some committee.

Should the troops worry about being investigated if they dont steal? I'm sure they're smart enough to know whats the proper actions are and which orders to question. It's great that the majority of soldiers in Iraq are conducting themselves with honor and pride. But a sad fact of life is a thousand good deeds can be lost in the face of a few wrong actions.

XASA
05-31-2004, 01:12 PM
Looting has been a warrior's preogative since the dawn of "civilized" man. "Band of Brothers" highlighted looting by officers and enlisted men in both the book and mini-series. Other films and books offered gruesome scenes of American G.I.s pulling gold teeth from dead Japanese soldiers.

Both Germany and Russia institutionalized looting when they conquered other countries.

Is it wrong? Of course it is. But so is war. And when you put men in harm's way you can't expect them to be paragons of virtue as they go about the business of killing other men.

Secret Squirrel
05-31-2004, 01:19 PM
Looting has been a warrior's preogative since the dawn of "civilized" man. "Band of Brothers" highlighted looting by officers and enlisted men in both the book and mini-series. Other films and books offered gruesome scenes of American G.I.s pulling gold teeth from dead Japanese soldiers.

Both Germany and Russia institutionalized looting when they conquered other countries.

Is it wrong? Of course it is. But so is war. And when you put men in harm's way you can't expect them to be paragons of virtue as they go about the business of killing other men.

Why cant you expect it when 99% of the soldiers in Iraq arent doing it? Unless i'm mistaken, Iraq represents an internal security/peace keeping mission now and not a conventional warzone.

ZeroPositive
05-31-2004, 01:25 PM
This is sad to hear and I hope the soldiers don't feel any additional pressure from the top brass in how they are doing their jobs.