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Ordie
05-21-2008, 06:14 PM
Latino turnout could hold key to White House

Tyche Hendricks, Chronicle Staff Writer (thendricks@sfchronicle.com)
Wednesday, May 21, 2008
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The Democrats' best strategy to win the presidency this year could lie in an energetic campaign to turn out Latino voters in key swing states, according to Democratic political strategists who cite Latinos' surging voter participation and intensifying preference for Democrats.
"Hispanics happen to fall in these very consequential battleground states and may determine who the next president is," said Simon Rosenberg, president of NDN, a Washington political strategy group formerly known as the New Democrat Network. "This is adding a whole new dynamic in this election that didn't exist in 2004 and may change this election."
Although President Bush successfully attracted a record 40 percent of Latino votes in 2004, Latinos have been much more inclined to favor Democrats over the past couple of years, said Rosenberg. So far this year, Latinos have been three times as likely to vote in Democratic primaries as Republican ones.
On top of that, Latinos have voted in growing numbers in recent years. The 7.6 million Latinos who cast votes in 2004 represented a 27 percent increase over 2000 and comprised 6 percent of the entire U.S. turnout. And high-powered voter registration drives this year are expected to increase Latino turnout in the November election to anywhere from 8.5 million to 10.5 million voters.
"Starting in the fall of 2005, the Republican brand was severely degraded" in the eyes of Latinos, Rosenberg said, as a result of harsh rhetoric surrounding Wisconsin Republican Rep. James Sensenbrenner's immigration enforcement bill that would have made felons of illegal immigrants and people who help them.
"That caused a huge swing toward the Democrats," he said. "We also had an enormous increase in voter registration, citizenship applications and all measures of civic participation. ... Spanish-language media is spending an enormous amount of time on voter participation in a way that was not done in 2004."
Those factors combined could position Latinos to swing several key states to the Democratic nominee come November, said Rosenberg. He is fixing his sights on New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado and Florida, where the traditionally Republican Cuban exile population is giving way to second-generation Cubans and other Latinos who identify as Democrats or independents.
But other analysts say Democratic victories in those states are not a slam-dunk, even with a growing Latino Democratic electorate.
"They could potentially make a difference for a Democratic candidate," said UC Irvine political science Professor Louis DeSipio, but that will depend on how much energy Democrats put into actually getting Latino voters to the polls.
"Turnout only happens when resources are invested to turn people out," he said. "That's why that decision about how to allocate resources becomes very important."
DeSipio pulled Arizona off the list of battleground states because it is home to likely Republican nominee Sen. John McCain. He called New Mexico and Florida the most likely states to swing Democratic. "Latinos will be part of both strategies," he said.
Maria Echaveste, former deputy chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, warned Democrats that if Sen. Barack Obama is the party's nominee, he'll have to focus more on Latino voters than Sen. John Kerry did in 2004.
"Kerry did not close the deal; he spent very little money on advertising in the Latino community until the very last," said Echaveste, a supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. "Obama cannot make that mistake. He's got to go to all those places that are already being primed to vote Democratic and persuade Latinos to vote for him over McCain because the Democratic agenda is much better for Latino families."
The Democratic strategy will have to be multifaceted, she said, reaching Latinos through old-fashioned field organizing as well as media in English and Spanish, Echaveste said.
"There's absolutely a sense of possibility, but it's not going to happen without work," she said, warning that Democrats must not write off McCain's appeal to Latinos.
McCain must walk a tightrope between reaching out to Latino voters with support for comprehensive immigration reform and maintaining support from a more conservative Republican base that wants a tougher line on immigration, said California Republican political strategist Arnold Steinberg.
"The party's principal position on immigration has not been marketed well, so the party has been caricatured as anti-immigrant," he said. "McCain can only do so much with the Latino vote, but he needs to strike the right chord that keeps his base and reaches out to the Latino vote. That balance is secure borders first and then a path to citizenship (for illegal immigrants already in the country). You can't deviate much from that position either way."

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Laworkerbee
05-21-2008, 06:47 PM
If Democrats think they can take the Latino vote for granted like the black vote for so many years they have another thing coming, the Latinos that I know are socially conservative and don't vibe well with liberal values.

Ordie
05-21-2008, 07:06 PM
Latinos that I know are socially conservative and don't vibe well with liberal values.

True, but they are Democrats at expense of Republican negative immigration policies.

annihilation
05-21-2008, 07:31 PM
I love this types of articles. Pretty much every voting block is important. Each one holds the key in a tight race between poor candidates.

Laworkerbee
05-21-2008, 07:33 PM
As they become more assimilated I believe they will vote their core values which are family oriented and fairly conservative socially.

annihilation
05-21-2008, 07:39 PM
As they become more assimilated I believe they will vote their core values which are family oriented and fairly conservative socially.

Pretty much. My mom is straight off the boat and she opposes the whole immigration amnesty crap.

Laworkerbee
05-21-2008, 07:42 PM
Most if not all legal immigrants do for a very good reason.

Ordie
05-21-2008, 08:24 PM
Many documented immigrants have kin who are undocumented. It becomes a personal issue for many.

Hollis
05-21-2008, 08:28 PM
If Democrats think they can take the Latino vote for granted like the black vote for so many years they have another thing coming, the Latinos that I know are socially conservative and don't vibe well with liberal values.


My wife was a member of Mujeres D'Oregon, the Chicanas are nothing like the Liberal Feminist camp. Pro Marriage, religious, family "values", pro life, etc. pretty much the opposite values for many "feminists" especially the separationists.

Hollis
05-21-2008, 08:31 PM
Many documented immigrants have kin who are undocumented. It becomes a personal issue for many.


Bush's idea of a worker's visa sounded good, the biggest problem it came from Bush.

In the last two election, I think, any group of people amounting to more that 5% of the population was critical or "held the key to the White House". I would not discount any group. Especially when a election can swing on a few percentage points.

Laworkerbee
05-21-2008, 08:32 PM
Many documented immigrants have kin who are undocumented. It becomes a personal issue for many.

Whats this "kin" you speak of, you hailing from Kentucky now Ordie? p-)

IraGlacialis
05-21-2008, 08:33 PM
Black vote, women's vote, youth vote, rural vote, Latino vote...

What about Asian vote, huh? What about us?

el borracho
05-21-2008, 08:34 PM
True, but they are Democrats at expense of Republican negative immigration policies.

Exactly. If Republicans didn't beat the immigration horse at every chance, they'd realize that the vast majority of the Latino voting block is right in line with their values: socially conservative, pro family, religious, etc.

Hollis
05-21-2008, 08:35 PM
Whats this "kin" you speak of, you hailing from Kentucky now Ordie? p-)


I can see him in bib overalls, corn cob pipe, bare feet, and a jug of home squeezin' in his off hand.

Ordie
05-22-2008, 01:39 AM
Black vote, women's vote, youth vote, rural vote, Latino vote...

What about Asian vote, huh? What about us?

You guys don't vote.

Except when it comes to school district decision on changing school boundaries. Leaving Asian household with an average school.

Ordie
05-22-2008, 01:42 AM
I can see him in bib overalls, corn cob pipe, bare feet, and a jug of home squeezin' in his off hand.

Yepp.
Hanging out with Shocker drinkin some moonshine mixed with tequila.

Laworkerbee
05-22-2008, 01:48 AM
Ugh!

My head hurts just thinking of such a contraption :|

IraGlacialis
05-22-2008, 11:33 AM
You guys don't vote.

Except when it comes to school district decision on changing school boundaries. Leaving Asian household with an average school.
Ouch... :-(

That is why you choose a small town with a good school and no other public school nearby. Next to nil chance of a boundry change for the worse.

AGE-Ranger
05-22-2008, 11:54 AM
Exactly. If Republicans didn't beat the immigration horse at every chance, they'd realize that the vast majority of the Latino voting block is right in line with their values: socially conservative, pro family, religious, etc.

What makes you think they don't realize that? It was only a few months ago that immigrant groups, along with conservative Republicans, struck down the McCain immigration bill. Its amazing that we have to keep pointing this out, but Republicans and legal immigrants are both against ILLEGAL immigration. Why is it so hard to contemplate that? No matter how many times one makes the distinction, it goes in one ear and out the other for pro-illegal immigration people.


Black vote, women's vote, youth vote, rural vote, Latino vote...

What about Asian vote, huh? What about us?

What about the white male vote? It seems to me thats the key vote.

shocker1
05-26-2008, 10:16 AM
Yepp.
Hanging out with Shocker drinkin some moonshine mixed with tequila.
Ok I must answer this here. I adore a good tequila and will drink some shine. Mixing the two is Un-American and dangerous.

el borracho
05-26-2008, 11:30 AM
What makes you think they don't realize that? It was only a few months ago that immigrant groups, along with conservative Republicans, struck down the McCain immigration bill. Its amazing that we have to keep pointing this out, but Republicans and legal immigrants are both against ILLEGAL immigration. Why is it so hard to contemplate that? No matter how many times one makes the distinction, it goes in one ear and out the other for pro-illegal immigration people.


To stem the problem the government should work on an education campaign to raise awareness of the consequences of illegal immigration specifically targeting Hispanic communities. Mexicans have a totally different interpretation of law than Americans. In their country, they see nothing wrong with bending some rules to overcome a corrupt system. In the US, it doesn't quite work that way, but since they are unfamiliar with the culture they don't understand. Showing support for things like a wall along the border and the Minuteman Project sends the complete wrong message and only alienates the two groups further.

Ordie
05-26-2008, 07:37 PM
Ok I must answer this here. I adore a good tequila and will drink some shine. Mixing the two is Un-American and dangerous.

Got a light?