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Moledet
05-31-2004, 05:23 PM
By Gideon Alon, Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service

A large number of rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) launchers manufactured by the Egyptian military industries have been smuggled into the Gaza Strip, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz said Monday at a Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee meeting.

Mofaz said that most of the weapons smuggled through underground tunnels into the Gaza Strip were manufactured in Iran, and included hundreds of Kalashnikov rifles, mortars and thousands of bullets. He added that Katyusha rockets were also supposed to be smuggled into the Strip, but that they were still in the Sinai peninsula.

Committee chairman MK Yuval Steinitz (Likud) said Monday that he was worried by Egypt's involvement in weapons smuggling, saying that Egypt hasn't done anything to eliminate weapons smuggling and sometimes even assisted them. "The Egyptians are letting us and the Palestinians drink each other's blood," Steinitz said.

Mofaz also told the committee that terror organizations want to avenge the assassination of senior leaders, and that they intend to hurt Israel ahead of the planned disengagement from the Gaza Strip.

The defense minister also listed the successes of the war against terror: Not a single suicide bombing took place in Israeli territory since March 14, and in May alone 18 planned suicide attacks were foiled.

The head of the Military Intelligence research unit, Brigadier General Yossi Kuperwasser, told the committee Monday that terror organizations were starting to smuggle weapons from Egypt to Israel in areas other than the Philadelphi route. He said that between 10 and 20 people are involved in weapons smuggling in the Rafah area, and that most of them are members of the Palestinian security apparatus.

He added that the Palestinian leadership headed by PA Chairman Yasser Arafat was closely following the disengagement plan and that it is worried that after Israel's disengagement from the Strip, it would turn into a large prison for Palestinians. He said that terror from the Gaza Strip would be reduced following Israel's pullout.

Sarid, Eldad: Mofaz's appearance before panel is 'insult to intelligence
Both left-wing MK Yossi Sarid (Meretz-Yahad) and right-wing Aryeh Eldad (National Union) said Monday that Mofaz's appearances before the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee were an insult to intelligence.

The two legislators expressed concern at the quality of the defense minister's presentations to the committee. "In today's meeting too Mofaz failed, as usual, to answer questions and remarks made by panel members," the MKs said.

Sarid and Eldad added that the minister arrived at the meeting with a prepared speech, and would not deviate from it or address new issues the MKs were interested in discussing.

Several members of the panel, among them panel chairman Steinitz, said that the attack by IDF Chief of Staff Moshe Ya'alon on Arab MKs who condemned the behavior of IDF soldiers was out of line, but that Mofaz refused to make any response to the issue.

Other committee members said that "towards the end of Mofaz's lecture, only four MKs remained in the room." They said that Mofaz made ridiculous comments, such as claiming that settlers evacuated from Gush Katif would settle the Galilee, the Negev and the West Bank. "How does he know where the settlers will go?" asked one of the MKs.

The defense minister's media adviser said in response that the statements against Mofaz join legislators' recent condemnation of the IDF and the defense establishment.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/433639.html

Peace with Arabs isn't possible.

Brozozo
05-31-2004, 05:30 PM
Peace with Arabs isn't possible.

I agree but the Israelis are being completely accomodating either.

kinghk
05-31-2004, 06:10 PM
Peace with Arabs isn't possible.

Ofcourse it is. Just look how the relationship between the countries in Western Europe is today, in contrast to all the wars that have taken place during the centuries.

Moledet
05-31-2004, 06:12 PM
Peace with Arabs isn't possible.

Ofcourse it is. Just look how the relationship between the countries in Western Europe is today, in contrast to all the wars that have taken place during the centuries.
I think that you missed the word "Arabs", i'm not talking about reasonable europeans, i'm talking about Arabian countries.

Brozozo
05-31-2004, 06:13 PM
Peace with Arabs isn't possible.

Ofcourse it is. Just look how the relationship between the countries in Western Europe is today, in contrast to all the wars that have taken place during the centuries.

erm...Spain? England?... I forget which ones specifically but several European nations have been marked as targets by Al-Qaeda.

kinghk
05-31-2004, 06:17 PM
Peace with Arabs isn't possible.

Ofcourse it is. Just look how the relationship between the countries in Western Europe is today, in contrast to all the wars that have taken place during the centuries.

erm...Spain? England?... I forget which ones specifically but several European nations have been marked as targets by Al-Qaeda.

Read what I wrote one more time. I said that the relationship between countries in Western Europe is good, not that relationship to terror groups is good.

hey
05-31-2004, 06:20 PM
Brozozo wrote:

I agree but the Israelis are being completely accomodating either

with Egypt? or Jorden? both?

I believe you don't have a clue about the relationships between Israel and those two sence the sign of the peace treaties. So how can you know if Israel "accomodating" or not?

Brozozo
05-31-2004, 06:21 PM
Peace with Arabs isn't possible.

Ofcourse it is. Just look how the relationship between the countries in Western Europe is today, in contrast to all the wars that have taken place during the centuries.

erm...Spain? England?... I forget which ones specifically but several European nations have been marked as targets by Al-Qaeda.

Read what I wrote one more time. I said that the relationship between countries in Western Europe is good, not that relationship to terror groups is good.

:oops: My bad, I thought you were referring to relations between western Europe and the Arab world. But hey, there was a time of peace in western Europe between 1918 and 1939...nothing lasts forever...

Brozozo
05-31-2004, 06:26 PM
Brozozo wrote:

I agree but the Israelis are being completely accomodating either

with Egypt? or Jorden? both?

I believe you don't have a clue about the relationships between Israel and those two sence the sign of the peace treaties. So how can you know if Israel "accomodating" or not?

You are a jackass, so in you're opinion the Israeli's are doing absolutely nothing to hinder the peace process in the Mid East? I was responding to the comment that peace with arabs is impossible, I didn't mention any specific countries. Arabs are thinking the same thing that peace with Israelis is impossible, try to see both sides of the story.

kinghk
05-31-2004, 06:34 PM
Ofcourse it is. Just look how the relationship between the countries in Western Europe is today, in contrast to all the wars that have taken place during the centuries.
I think that you missed the word "Arabs", i'm not talking about reasonable europeans, i'm talking about Arabian countries.[/quote]

Describing all arabs are unreasonable sounds rasictic to me, and I guess that it is violating forum rules. Anyway, France, Germany and England have been in numerous wars with each other over the years, but they have a peacefully relationship now, but I do think that the frenchies had the the views on germans in 1945 as you have on arabs now. If you don't try to make peace with the arabs it will never happend. I'm not saying that it will happend tomorrow, but if you give it some time, history shows that it will probably happend.

Moledet
05-31-2004, 06:46 PM
Ofcourse it is. Just look how the relationship between the countries in Western Europe is today, in contrast to all the wars that have taken place during the centuries.
I think that you missed the word "Arabs", i'm not talking about reasonable europeans, i'm talking about Arabian countries.



Describing all arabs are unreasonable sounds rasictic to me, and I guess that it is violating forum rules. Anyway, France, Germany and England have been in numerous wars with each other over the years, but they have a peacefully relationship now, but I do think that the frenchies had the the views on germans in 1945 as you have on arabs now. If you don't try to make peace with the arabs it will never happend. I'm not saying that it will happend tomorrow, but if you give it some time, history shows that it will probably happend.
You obviously know nothing about Arabs.
Search in ADL (www.adl.org) for "Arab Media Review", then you'll see what they are being taught there. They only teach them hatred towards Jews, so how can we make peace with them? I mean, they think that the myth about making Matzot from Christian babies blood is a fact. They think that the protocols of the elders of zion exist and that we live by them, they think that the Jews made up the holocaust, that it never happend. Do you still think that peace is possible with them?

ExtraT
05-31-2004, 07:20 PM
Just look how the relationship between the countries in Western Europe is today, in contrast to all the wars that have taken place during the centuries.

I'm sorry but I don't see any particular difference - the centuries old grudges and hatred didn't go anywhere, and in recent years, new stuff emerged. Germans definetly haven't clevered up yet - apparently, suffering defeats in 2 of the worst wars humanity has ever known was not enough for them. It's just that today wars are economically unfeasable. If the condition were to change there would be war again.

Haiw
06-01-2004, 05:42 AM
Just look how the relationship between the countries in Western Europe is today, in contrast to all the wars that have taken place during the centuries.

I'm sorry but I don't see any particular difference - the centuries old grudges and hatred didn't go anywhere, and in recent years, new stuff emerged. Germans definetly haven't clevered up yet - apparently, suffering defeats in 2 of the worst wars humanity has ever known was not enough for them. It's just that today wars are economically unfeasable. If the condition were to change there would be war again.
Are you talking about the same Europe I live in?!

kinghk
06-01-2004, 05:44 AM
I'm sorry but I don't see any particular difference - the centuries old grudges and hatred didn't go anywhere, and in recent years, new stuff emerged. Germans definetly haven't clevered up yet - apparently, suffering defeats in 2 of the worst wars humanity has ever known was not enough for them. It's just that today wars are economically unfeasable. If the condition were to change there would be war again.

What a load of crap. How do you explain germans relationship to it's old arch rivals? Although the relationship to particularly USA have become worse after Bush becomed president, it's bull**** to claim that the germans today want to start yet another war.

And why do you generalize so much?

ExtraT
06-01-2004, 06:39 PM
Haiw: Didn't you tell me once that you will ignore all my posts?

And I'm not going to dabate with anybody what I just said. You think I'm wrong - fine, you are entitled to your opinion just like I'm intitled to mine.

Nizark
06-01-2004, 07:10 PM
These egyptian RPG's were the cobra, advanced RPG. Said to be able to penetrate up to 500 mm of armor.