SAS timings

[Toddy1]

Hi guys, just wondering if anyone knows what the SAS timings are for covering a mile with and without gear, I am doing some research for a mates book and as you are all such knowledgeable fellows I thought I would start here first.

Cheers
Todd

[rjbhutton]

Hi guys, just wondering if anyone knows what the SAS timings are for covering a mile with and without gear, I am doing some research for a mates book and as you are all such knowledgeable fellows I thought I would start here first.

Cheers
Todd

define "with and without gear"? Do you mean in boots and a vest (without gear) or in running shoes and shorts (without gear)? With webbing and a weapon (with gear) or a rucksack and 100lbs (with gear)?? Do you think there are some standards for a mile "with and without gear"? The selection for SAS has a final tab/yomp at the end which is with a pack (and weapon) in a time limit (24 hrs??), from what I remember from books. If you reckon on 4mph (a reasonable pace with a heavy pack over a long distance, rugged terrain), that is a 15 min mile. An 8 min/mile isnt half bad for a guy in boots trousers, lightwebbing and a weapon. 6m/m in PT gear isnt too shabby either. Do you have any data for other units (with load out) for comparison?

My guess is that there aren't special standards for a single mile (just whatever the standard minimum fitness levels are for the Army), but that the only stanards they have to complete are based on the various exercises and tests over longer periods and distances, so you'll get variants of "30 miles in 8hrs carrying a 100lbs pack over, navigating over the Brecon Beacons" and you could probably find that in any book that talks about selection...

But I could be tlaking sh1t, so I am curious to hear from someone in the know...

[Toddy1]

without gear would be PT Shorts and runners, with gear would be 100lbs of gear, bergan, weapon, water etc

We also broke down Bravo Two Zero to be about 4.4 miles per hour (from memory they covered 85k's over 12 hours which works out to be about 53 miles), after they had been compromised and this is what we were taking as a bench mark, I don't know how much weight they were carrying at that time though as I am fairly certain they had ditched everything except for webbing and weapons, but I could be wrong about that. Obviously someone who is being chased by guys wanting to kill you are going to leg it a lot faster than someone trying to stick to regiment timings.

If you have any comparisons from other units: delta, rangers, marines, royal marines, seals, paras etc then that would be great to have.

Cheers
Todd

[rjbhutton]

Here's a comparison!! (US)

The Army Rangers require their candidates to score the following prior to attending Ranger School.
Ranger PFT
Minimum Scores Recommended Scores
Push-ups in 2:00
49 in 2:00 80+
Sit-ups in 2:00
59 80+
Pull-ups
6 12+
Two-mile run
15:12 Sub 13:00
5 Mile run
40:00 35:00
16-mile hike w/65lb pack
5 hours 20 minutes 4-5 hours

Air Force (by age group; points for 1.5 mile run added into other fitness tests: max running score for about a 6 min mile)
http://www.af.mil/news/USAF_Fitness_Charts.pdf

US Marine Corps Recon UNits
Below scores represent a perfect 300 on the USMC PFT:

3 mile run (18:00min 100pts)
20 pullups (dead hang) 100pts
80 situps/2min. 100pts.
You will be required to perform two obstacle courses in under 2:00 each time, swim 500 meters in full cammies in 17:00, and other fun water activities. 10 mile ruck with 50lbs pack in under 2 hours is also graded.
Running is also a major part of INDOC. You should run at least 4-5 times per week and perform a rucksack run once a week in order to prepare for the following:
Forced March (or "Hump") for 20 miles @ 4-5mph
Rucksack Run 3-4 miles timed (with 50 lb)
From: http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Smith_112003,00.html

Navy SEALs BUDS Traning Requirements
1.5-mile run. Wearing boots and pants, the maximum time allowed for this one is 11 minutes, 30 seconds, but you should be able to cover the distance in 9 to 10 minutes to be competitive.
From: http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Smith_110303,00.html

Catherine M. McGee Middle School (USA)
PHYSICAL FITNESS TESTING
One-Mile Run/Walk
Standards
Boys
Age Health Standard Challenge Standard
10 9:30 8:00
11 9:15 7:30
12 9:00 7:15
13 8:30 7:00
14 8:00 6:45
15 7:30 6:30
Girls
Age Health Standard Challenge Standard
10 10:45 9:00
11 10:30 8:45
12 10:15 8:30
13 10:00 8:15
14 10:00 8:00
15 10:00 8:00

AND: Royal Marines All Arms Commando (Selection/Entry) Course
Aim of course
To prepare Navy, Army or Air Force personnel for service with Marine units by
developing the temperament, mental resolve, physical robustness and core
military skills necessary in the demanding environment of expeditionary and
littoral operations.

Entry standards
�� Pass Royal Marines Battle Fitness Test (BFT) on joining course
�� Pass Combat Fitness Test (CFT) within 1 month of joining course
�� Swim 60 metres in clothing and tread water for 3 minutes.
�� Complete 6.4 km booted run in less than 35 minutes within 1 month of joining course.�� Climb 30 ft (9.2m) rope whilst wearing equipment weighing 6.8kg on
joining course
�� Passed the Annual Personal Weapons Test (APWT) on the 5.56mm
individual weapon within the last 6 months
�� Pass Weapons Handling Tests on personal weapon to a skilled standard on
joining course
Examinations / qualifi cations gained
�� Twelve miles (19 Km) load carry (with equipment weighing 31.3 kg and personal weapon) at night as a formed body within the time limit of 4 hours
�� Tarzan / Assault course in 13 minutes with equipment weighing 9.6 kg and
carrying personal weapon
�� Six mile Endurance Course in 72 minutes with equipment weighing 9.6kg
and carrying personal weapon
�� Nine mile speed march in 90 minutes as a formed body with equipment weighing 9.6kg and carrying personal weapon
�� Final exercise testing basic military tactics (map reading, amphibious skills,
endurance and stamina)
�� March 30 miles in 8 hours with equipment weighing 9.6kg and carrying personal weapon and safety stores on a given Dartmoor route as a syndicate

[rjbhutton]

British Army BASIC FITNESS TEST (for a benchmark)

All recruits and soldiers of all ranks and ages are required to take a basic fitness test. At the Recruiting Selection Centres, potential recruits undergo a series of tests known as Physical Standards Selection for Recruits (PSSR). These are 'best effort' tests that take place in the gymnasium. Recruits are required to complete the 1.5 mile (2.4km) run.

Adult entry candidates have to complete the run within 14 minutes or less. All Junior Entrants - Army Foundation College, Army Technical Foundation College or the School Leavers Scheme, are required to complete the run in 14 minutes 30 seconds or less. Officer candidates at RCB have to undertake a multi stage fitness test (known as the Beep Test) and aim to achieve a standard of 10.2 for males and 8.1 for females, as well as a number of sit-ups and press-ups.

In-service fitness requirements seek to maintain these standards. Tests typically require a 2.4km run on level ground and in training shoes, in 10.5 minutes for those under 30. There are gradually rising time limits for the older personnel. For women the requirement for the 2.4km run is 13 minutes.

Standard Fitness Tests currently applied for Infantry personnel include:

BFPA Basic Personal Fitness Assessment - Sit ups, press-ups and a 1.5 mile (2.4 km) run, all carried out against the clock. This tests individual fitness generally. The minimum fitness goals are: 54 continuous sit ups (with feet supported) and a 1.5 mile (2.4 km) run in 11 minutes 45 seconds.

ICFT Infantry Combat Fitness Test - A distance of three miles as a squad carrying 56 pounds of kit each, including their personal weapon. Timed to be completed in one hour, individuals must stay with the squad, or be failed.

[rjbhutton]

United Kingdom Special Forces Selection
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Special_Forces_Selection#Fitness_and_navigation_.284_weeks.29

2. Fitness and navigation (4 weeks)
Based at Sennybridge Training Camp in Wales personnel are exposed to the Brecon Beacons and the Elan Valley, Wales where weather conditions are demanding, and unpredictable.

Initial tests are common to the rest of the British Armed Forces with the Basic Personal Fitness Assessment (BPFA), a 1.5 mile run in under 10 minutes 30 seconds followed by a number of basic gym tests.

The first week of selection consists of runs in the Brecon Beacons, up and down hills with a loaded bergen. These exercises, such as the "Fan Dance", are further complicated by navigation and map reading exercises. Navigation runs in small groups in woodland areas and night tabs follow shortly, steadily increasing both the physical and mental load on the prospective operator. Loads increase over the period, while the individual's personal weapon has to be carried unsupported; candidates are required to keep the rifle in their hands as they climb slopes and jog down again.

In the third week individuals navigate from a grid reference to other points on the map. Directing staff at each rendezvous ("RV") require the candidate to indicate location before instructing the next reference point.

The final stage of the "hills" phase of selection is known as "Test Week" which consists of six marches on consecutive days with ever increasing bergen weights and distances. The second last day involves covering 35km with a handrawn sketch map rather than a printed map. Test week concludes with "Endurance", a forty mile (65km) march across the Brecon Beacons, completed in less than twenty hours loaded in excess of fifty five pounds plus water, food and rifle.

[edit: I just found an internet note on SBS selection that sounds similar to the above, except is says the final "long drag" is 40KM in 20 hours (the rest is very similar to the above.. I think that must be a typo and that 40 miles is probably more likely if wiki-p is to be trusted...]

[rjbhutton]

... and, I'm spent...

hope that helps!

[Toddy1]

tks mate that should help

[James]

The USMC stopped doing sit ups for the PFT in 1996.

[Sneeker]

really, Why?

[dangerdan87]

US Marine Corps Recon UNits
Below scores represent a perfect 300 on the USMC PFT:

3 mile run (18:00min 100pts)
20 pullups (dead hang) 100pts
80 situps/2min. 100pts.
You will be required to perform two obstacle courses in under 2:00 each time, swim 500 meters in full cammies in 17:00, and other fun water activities. 10 mile ruck with 50lbs pack in under 2 hours is also graded.
Running is also a major part of INDOC. You should run at least 4-5 times per week and perform a rucksack run once a week in order to prepare for the following:
Forced March (or "Hump") for 20 miles @ 4-5mph
Rucksack Run 3-4 miles timed (with 50 lb)
From: http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Smith_112003,00.html


That PFT they stated is wrong.
Perfect PFT for all male US Marines:
20 deadhang pull-ups (min is 3) for a max total of 100pts - no time lmit
100 crunches (min is 45 i think) for a max total of 100pts - time limit of 2 mins.
3 mile run in 18 mins (min is 28 mins) for a total of max 100pts - time limit of 28 mins

[Ubar]

You should be aware that the 1.5 miles in 10.30 is the absolute bare minimum for anyone in the army of recruitment age (up to 28 or something? after that the times start getting adjusted)

To suggest that 10:30 would be the time that the average trooper would be running would be a bit wide of the mark

[Nephilim]

10 mins for roughly 1.5 mile?

damn.. my granny could do that!

[a_very_ex_STAB]

10 mins for roughly 1.5 mile?

damn.. my granny could do that!


Presumably that's just to check that you do actually have a pulse - before the real beasting starts :)

[PUG]

It weens out the kebab munching armchair commando horde. Of which there are always a few. Most practice PLF's towards the end of it anyway.

[BrianT]

Here's a comparison!! (US)

The Army Rangers require their candidates to score the following prior to attending Ranger School.
Ranger PFT
Minimum Scores Recommended Scores
Push-ups in 2:00
49 in 2:00 80+
Sit-ups in 2:00
59 80+
Pull-ups
6 12+
Two-mile run
15:12 Sub 13:00
5 Mile run
40:00 35:00
16-mile hike w/65lb pack
5 hours 20 minutes 4-5 hours


Just for further explanation those mininums are for Ranger School and not Ranger Battalion.

[muttbutt]

It weens out the kebab munching armchair commando horde. Of which there are always a few. Most practice PLF's towards the end of it anyway.The KMACH, I heard they were the l33t of all non warfighting for real unit's, have some respect young man!!


BTW don't the hill's in UKSF selection have to be done at 4KMpH and 21/23 SAS 3.5KMpH?

[Rancid]

Most practice PLF's towards the end of it anyway.

..and exactly how do you know that are you at Stirling Lines ?

[PUG]

..and exactly how do you know that are you at Stirling Lines ?

Did i ever state anything of the sort?


Location: Edinburgh, Scotland. Sorry to dissapoint.

[Rhodius3D]

Don't for get that a TAB/YOMP can also mean run 50 walk 50. I had a Staff sergeant who would always make us do this for PT.

[Rancid]

Did i ever state anything of the sort?

You said that "Most practice PLF's towards the end of it anyway" . The only true way you could know that that statement is correct is if you are at Stirling Lines.

[PUG]

You said that "Most practice PLF's towards the end of it anyway" . The only true way you could know that that statement is correct is if you are at Stirling Lines.

Was i talking about the SAS? Calm down. Hate to point out that you are a bit behind the times also.

[Ubar]

BTW don't the hill's in UKSF selection have to be done at 4KMpH and 21/23 SAS 3.5KMpH?

21/23 is only 3km/h



You said that "Most practice PLF's towards the end of it anyway" . The only true way you could know that that statement is correct is if you are at Stirling Lines.

It appears that you may be a mong, is this correct?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO
[X] mlaaarrr

[PUG]

It appears that you may be a mong, is this correct?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO
[X] mlaaarrr

This had to be quoted.

[Rancid]

Was i talking about the SAS? Calm down. Hate to point out that you are a bit behind the times also.

The topic is "SAS timings" so surely it's fair to assume thats what your post refers to ?

I was merely trying to find out how you knew that PLF's were done.

[Rancid]

..........................

[PUG]

While it may appear that I'm a mlaaarrr, we know without doubt that you are.

You're 41 and you just did a, "I know you are but what am I?" Legendary.

Apologies for the confusion, I was off topic. To my knowledge there isn't much going on at Stirling Lines. Whap Credenhill into google.

[muttbutt]

Who would have imagined a thread about SF guy's could end up in the ****?....

[Rancid]

You're 41 and you just did a, "I know you are but what am I?" Legendary.

Apologies for the confusion, I was off topic. To my knowledge there isn't much going on at Stirling Lines. Whap Credenhill into google.


I wish I was 41. :)

[PUG]

I wish I was 41. :)

Where'd i get 41 from? Oh well.

[Curtis E. Bear]

Don't for get that a TAB/YOMP can also mean run 50 walk 50. I had a Staff sergeant who would always make us do this for PT.



Bold + font size makes my eyes implode.

[Hollos]

Since when was a infantry ICFT 3 miles my pti has been lying to me all these years :)

[James]

really, Why?

We started doing 100 crunches in 2 minutes instead of 80 sit ups.

[CMNot]

Who would have imagined a thread about SF guy's could end up in the ****?....

Haha, amongst the most epic win delivered by these boards is the never ending supply of SF, SAS Vs Detla11!, Para Vs Marines and/or Balkan threads.

[RoyalScot87]

Your BPFA is a 1.5 timed mile run. 2 mins of push ups and 2 mins of sit ups.
You have to the remember the SAS don't care if you can run 1.5 miles in 5 mins or 13 mins or if you can bench press 300 pounds.
What they are after is someone who can carry over 90 pounds of kit for more than 20 miles up and down mountains and arrive at the area able and ready to fight for over 48hrs if need be. They aren't after sprinters.
The BPFA(Basic Physical Fitness Assessment) is the standard one which brand new recuirts take on entry into the infantry..
1.5 mile run = 13mins Push ups 2 mins = 44 Sit ups 2 mins = 50

[Toddy1]

Haha, amongst the most epic win delivered by these boards is the never ending supply of SF, SAS Vs Detla11!, Para Vs Marines and/or Balkan threads.

Considering I originally posted this to find out timings for a book that a mate is writing and wants to be accurate, I fail to see how it has anything to do with "who has the better special forces" rubbish.

Thanks to all of those who have helped with the information.

[PUG]

Your BPFA is a 1.5 timed mile run. 2 mins of push ups and 2 mins of sit ups.
You have to the remember the SAS don't care if you can run 1.5 miles in 5 mins or 13 mins or if you can bench press 300 pounds.
What they are after is someone who can carry over 90 pounds of kit for more than 20 miles up and down mountains and arrive at the area able and ready to fight for over 48hrs if need be. They aren't after sprinters.
The BPFA(Basic Physical Fitness Assessment) is the standard one which brand new recuirts take on entry into the infantry..
1.5 mile run = 13mins Push ups 2 mins = 44 Sit ups 2 mins = 50

The lad from 1st Bn has it right. However if you're looking for specific stats, try just stating that they would be close to olympian/athletic standards, for just PT kit anyway. But for fully bergened up regiment lads over a mile, it will be hard to find an average time. Time over a mile isn't really something that's counted towards selection etc.

Pretty bevved so apologies if it's all bollocks.

[Royal]

Apologies for the confusion, I was off topic. To my knowledge there isn't much going on at Stirling Lines. Whap Credenhill into google.

If you've got something useful to add, feel free. If not, then STFU :D

Stirling Lines is as busy as ever.

[Creampuff]

If your not picky about which SAS unit, you might be able to get some info of the doco NZSAS first among equals. Its available as a torrent, someone posted a link to it on this site. Was watching the first episode where they have to complete a run in under 11 minutes. However i don't think they mentioned the distance.

[Rhodius3D]

sorry about that, it was late and have you every used a keyboard in japanese??

[vinny_121_ND]

Considering I originally posted this to find out timings for a book that a mate is writing and wants to be accurate, I fail to see how it has anything to do with "who has the better special forces" rubbish.

Thanks to all of those who have helped with the information.

You just have to know SAS lads have to have exception physical standards. But that alone won't get men through selection. Download the nzsas documentary. I would suggest if your friend wants to write a book, it's advisable he has someone from the regiment help him through the writing for accurate representation.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=362651

[Creampuff]

You just have to know SAS lads have to have exception physical standards. But that alone won't get men through selection. Download the nzsas documentary. I would suggest if your friend wants to write a book, it's advisable he has someone from the regiment help him through the writing for accurate representation.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=362651

Yep thats a definite plus, as most if not all recent SAS books ive read are written by or with SAS first hand input. I'm not sure if i personally would be attracted to buy a book written by some one who hasn't served in the SAS written on the topic. Just my 2 cents worth.

[chefjavier]

That PFT they stated is wrong.
Perfect PFT for all male US Marines:
20 deadhang pull-ups (min is 3) for a max total of 100pts - no time lmit
100 crunches (min is 45 i think) for a max total of 100pts - time limit of 2 mins.
3 mile run in 18 mins (min is 28 mins) for a total of max 100pts - time limit of 28 mins
I guess we got the harderst standard in the Military Services:bash:

[cal13]

21 and 23 hill phase is exactly the same as 22 at 4kph just over a more stretched out period for obvious reasons, both TA units do test week along with other candidates for uksf including 22,shakies etc.

[Sabre]

Timings = As fast as you can f***ing go.

Minimum standards aren't part of the required attitude.

[Ubar]

21 and 23 hill phase is exactly the same as 22 at 4kph just over a more stretched out period for obvious reasons, both TA units do test week along with other candidates for uksf including 22,shakies etc.

Their recruiter that visited us said the requirement was only 3km/h for reserves (this was a couple of months ago)

[rjbhutton]

Timings = As fast as you can f***ing go.

Minimum standards aren't part of the required attitude.

What he said...

[andehbrown]

British Army PFT/BPFA minimum scores for males < 29:
1.5 mile in 10:30 OR Level 10.2 on a multi-stage fitness test/bleep test
44 Press-ups in 2 minutes
50 Sit-ups in 2 minutes

ICFT:
8 miles in 2 hours with 25kg kit

This isn't really on-topic any more but I thought I'd set the record straight.

[Night Owl]

Their recruiter that visited us said the requirement was only 3km/h for reserves (this was a couple of months ago)

I can confim that it is still 4 Kph for 21 and 23 students.

[Night Owl]

You're 41 and you just did a, "I know you are but what am I?" Legendary.

Apologies for the confusion, I was off topic. To my knowledge there isn't much going on at Stirling Lines. Whap Credenhill into google.

The new(ish) Credenhill camp is now called Stirling Lines FYI

[Winger]

really, Why?

We were told because it was bad for our backs so they replaced it with crunches. Damn they were right. I still have so many bad stretch marks on my back from jamming in max situps in under two minutes and that was in '95 when i was 18.

[chefjavier]

Just for further explanation those mininums are for Ranger School and not Ranger Battalion.
What would be the Battalion??

[PUG]

The new(ish) Credenhill camp is now called Stirling Lines FYI

Ahh i see. Thanks for that.

[muttbutt]

Ahh i see. Thanks for that.
Yeah have a look at it on google earthp-)

[Royal]

The new(ish) Credenhill camp is now called Stirling Lines FYI

The camp at Credenhill has been called Stirling Lines since it ceased to be RAF Hereford.