Dunkin' Donuts pulls Rachael Ray ad after complaints (because of the kaffiyeh)

[Mr.K]

Dunkin' Donuts pulls Rachael Ray ad after complaints

By MARK JEWELL, AP Business Writer
Thursday, May 29, 2008
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(05-29) 09:43 PDT BOSTON, (AP) --
Dunkin' Donuts has pulled an online advertisement featuring Rachael Ray after complaints that a fringed black-and-white scarf that the celebrity chef wore in the ad offers symbolic support for Muslim extremism and terrorism.
The coffee and baked goods chain said the ad that began appearing online May 7 was pulled over the past weekend because "the possibility of misperception detracted from its original intention to promote our iced coffee."
In the spot, Ray holds an iced coffee while standing in front of trees with pink blossoms.
Critics, including conservative commentator Michelle Malkin, complained that the scarf wrapped around her looked like a kaffiyeh, the traditional Arab headdress. Critics who fueled online complaints about the ad in blogs say such scarves have come to symbolize Muslim extremism and terrorism.
The kaffiyeh, Malkin wrote in a column posted online last Friday, "has come to symbolize murderous Palestinian jihad. Popularized by Yasser Arafat and a regular adornment of Muslim terrorists appearing in beheading and hostage-taking videos, the apparel has been mainstreamed by both ignorant (and not-so-ignorant) fashion designers, celebrities, and left-wing icons."
A statement issued Wednesday by Canton, Mass.-based Dunkin' Brands Inc., however, said the scarf had a paisley design, and was selected by a stylist for the advertising shoot.
"Absolutely no symbolism was intended," the company said.
Dunkin' spokeswoman Michelle King said the ad appeared on the chain's Web site, as well as other commercial sites.
Amahl Bishara, an anthropology lecturer at the University of Chicago who specializes in media matters relating to the Middle East, said complaints about the scarf's use in the ad demonstrate misunderstandings of Arab culture and the multiple meanings that symbols can take on depending on someone's perspective.
"I think that a right-wing blogger making an association between a kaffiyeh and terrorism is just an example of how so much of the complexity of Arab culture has been reduced to a very narrow vision of the Arab world on the part of some people in the U.S.," Bishara said in a phone interview. "Kaffiyehs are worn every day on the street by Palestinians and other people in the Middle East — by people going to work, going to school, taking care of their families, and just trying to keep warm."
While some extremists and terrorists may wear kaffiyehs, "To reduce their meaning to support for terrorism has a tacit racist tone to it," Bishara said.
Malkin, in a posting following up on last week's column, said of Dunkin's decision to pull the ad, "It's refreshing to see an American company show sensitivity to the concerns of Americans opposed to Islamic jihad and its apologists."
Ray, host of the Food Network television program "30 Minute Meals" as well as a syndicated daytime talk show, began appearing in ads for Dunkin' Donuts in March 2007. When Dunkin' announced the partnership, it said Ray would be featured in TV, print, radio and online spots in a campaign running through 2010.


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Sensivity everyone! Sensivity! Here is the long time awaited example of "christians/white people/westerners getting offended" :)

[Hollis]

The photo looks like it was taken at the Oregon capitol. The Oregon bowling trophy is visiable in the back ground.

The scarf is sold by certain groups, it is not readily available in the US...

So maybe she is making a political point. So other people are making a political point.

[ronnieraygun]

I used to have this old gf who would make me her Thai peanut pasta. It was actually OK but I had a hard time pooping out the peanuts.

She has been a franchise for a while and has probably made some enemies, so of course someone is going to blow up a non-story like this. There is too much money invested in her through marketing so it will blow over in short order. I figured her eventual downfall will come involving cocaine, Nazi costumes and *** with multiple partners, or throwing an object at a staffer. The Polish lady already had the insider trading thing covered.

[khukuri]

"its just a scarf" How sensitive some people are.-..

[ronnieraygun]

The photo looks like it was taken at the Oregon capitol. The Oregon bowling trophy is visiable in the back ground.

The scarf is sold by certain groups, it is not readily available in the US...

So maybe she is making a political point. So other people are making a political point.

I doubt she can make a political point with any clarity. I figure she ripped off someone's hummus recipe or something so they gave her a scarf as a nice gesture.

[Mr.K]

The scarf is sold by certain groups, it is not readily available in the US...

Oh no? You don't have any shops selling goods from middle east? Or you're suggesting that any shop ran by an immigrant/refugee is an "extremist cell".

[kamaz]

"its just a scarf" How sensitive some people are.-..

and this is just a 't shirt'


http://bp0.blogger.com/_uM7lK710y7I/Rwk2fLjZZ9I/AAAAAAAAAZ0/-sMsPO6pAxg/s320/Che+Tshirt.jpg


its symbols. for many the palestinian keffiyeh is a symbol of palestinain terrorism and hijackings. its more than simply a 'scarf'

[Raven_gr]

The photo looks like it was taken at the Oregon capitol. The Oregon bowling trophy is visiable in the back ground.

The scarf is sold by certain groups, it is not readily available in the US...

So maybe she is making a political point. So other people are making a political point.
It is just a scarf. Anyway, you can find kaffiyeh's quite easily in Europe. It is not that hard. Could she not have just bought it because it looks good?

By the way since when does wearing something like that turn you into a pro terrorist? Extreme bigots at their finest.

If anything Dunkin' Donuts just made a very successful health campaign. I can picture it now "Freedom of speech loving people go on a diet"

[Mr.K]

and this is just a 't shirt'


http://bp0.blogger.com/_uM7lK710y7I/Rwk2fLjZZ9I/AAAAAAAAAZ0/-sMsPO6pAxg/s320/Che+Tshirt.jpg


its symbols. for many the palestinian keffiyeh is a symbol of palestinain terrorism and hijackings. its more than simply a 'scarf'

Oh please most of people don't even know what Che's real name, not to mention what he stood for (I see so many people wearing some kind of che apparel and attending a business school at the same time).
http://store.theonion.com/images/get/437

[Hollis]

"its just a scarf" How sensitive some people are.-..


It is just a piece of cloth (someone's flag) Some people feel that that particular scarf represents the PLO.

Look at the Hezbullah flag, just some piece of material. I don't know who she is or why she wore it. Just like when someone wore a Mao Jacket in the '70's. In the states political statements are made by what people wear. Also people some times like pulling a fast one.

TV show Adam 12, opening, one hears, "King Mary Adam" KMA letter part of a license also, among LEO also known to mean Kiss My A$$.

ON quantum leap a name on a locker, J. Mehoff.

I guess the question might be, why did she wear it?

Obviously to some people it meant something. BTW their opinion is just as valid as anyone who thinks it stupid.


Raven, again it is not vogue or easy to come by here. Generally only "anti-government" sites/stores sell that, like Che' T-shirts.

BTW those of you who are whining about freedom of speech, (interesting, sort of assuming she is wearing it for political reasonings).......... Are denying the right of other people to express their opinion. Maybe both view are asinine.


Maybe for every asinine action there is a opposite and equal asinine reaction.

[Hollis]

Oh please most of people don't even know what Che's real name, not to mention what he stood for (I see so many people wearing some kind of che apparel and attending a business school at the same time).



What you don't like Ernesto?

Yep Funny how all the people making $$$ Off of Che' apperal.

[Mr.K]

BTW those of you who are whining about freedom of speech, (interesting, sort of assuming she is wearing it for political reasonings).......... Are denying the right of other people to express their opinion. Maybe both view are asinine.


Don't forget to post that kind of comment in threads about islamic veils and such!

[khukuri]

@ Hollis & Kamaz

I know,

"the Koran is just a book, nothing wrong with shooting at it"... I am playing with a certain theme you see.


Fvck yeah the shemagh is a symbol, but I would not agree that it is a symbol of terror.

[Mr.K]

Hollis, to me anyone who wears a Che Guevera shirt/pin/beltbuckle is a grade A fool because of the economic reason you mentioned above. Moreover it's never someone who's from the working class but some upset rebelious teenager/university student from middle or upper middle class, a class created by capitalism.

Khukuri

http://www.russianarmysurplus.com/images/ushanka/rabbit_hat_ushanka_grey_lg.jpg

Not a winter fur hat, but a symbol of communism!

[JJC]

It is just a scarf. Anyway, you can find kaffiyeh's quite easily in Europe.

By the way since when does wearing something like that turn you into a pro terrorist? Extreme bigots at their finest.

Well the fact that they are easily obtained in Europe shouldn't surprise anyone considering the Muslim population and cultural influence across Europe.

In the U.S. I would find it suspicious if a non Muslim wears a Kuffiyeh because it has been used and promoted by the left-wing groups for their propaganda. Support for Islamic extremism is slowly being used in fashion industry as well. Take a look
http://www.zombietime.com/sf_anti-war_rally_oct_27_2007/the_al-aqsa_kaffiyeh_brigade/

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/986129.html

[Raven_gr]

It is just a piece of cloth (someone's flag)

Well it is not a flag.



BTW those of you who are whining about freedom of speech, (interesting, sort of assuming she is wearing it for political reasonings).......... Are denying the right of other people to express their opinion. Maybe both view are asinine.


Maybe for every asinine action there is a opposite and equal asinine reaction.


Please don't assume that I am implying political reasons cause I am not. I could not care less if she wore something that resembled anything jewish, Chinese or Eskimo. And how does anyone deny the freedom of expression to another by wearing anything? Sorry don't follow. Please explain

[khukuri]

Hollis, to me anyone who wears a Che Guevera shirt/pin/beltbuckle is a grade A fool because of the economic reason you mentioned above. Moreover it's never someone who's from the working class but some upset rebelious teenager/university student from middle or upper middle class, a class created by capitalism.

Khukuri



Not a winter fur hat, but a symbol of communism!

Lol what the hellis that?

[Mr.K]

Lol what the hellis that?
http://www.rusclothing.com/imp/ushanka-sheep.jpg
A russian winter hat

[Hollis]

Khukrui and Koutch, I think sometimes humor is needed. I think we have much more important problems to concern outselves with than a scarf.


If someone went through my house, who knows what I would be called. I have all types of books, souvenirs (plunder) from traveling (really commie stuff), and what not. I even have a multi color kaffiyeh scarf.

[khukuri]

Khukrui and Koutch, I think sometimes humor is needed. I think we have much more important problems to concern outselves with than a scarf.


If someone went through my house, who knows what I would be called. I have all types of books, souvenirs (plunder) from traveling (really commie stuff), and what not. I even have a multi color kaffiyeh scarf.

You probably have something from ww2 nazi germany, you pesky anti semite!:bash: p-)

[Raven_gr]

Khukrui and Koutch, I think sometimes humor is needed. I think we have much more important problems to concern outselves with than a scarf.


If someone went through my house, who knows what I would be called. I have all types of books, souvenirs (plunder) from traveling (really commie stuff), and what not. I even have a multi color kaffiyeh scarf.

Well if you really want something exotic try something traditional Greek

[Mr.K]

Well the fact that they are easily obtained in Europe shouldn't surprise anyone considering the Muslim population and cultural influence across Europe.

In the U.S. I would find it suspicious if a non Muslim wears a Kuffiyeh because it has been used and promoted by the left-wing groups for their propaganda. Support for Islamic extremism is slowly being used in fashion industry as well. Take a look
http://www.zombietime.com/sf_anti-war_rally_oct_27_2007/the_al-aqsa_kaffiyeh_brigade/

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/986129.html

A certain branch of fashion industry always thrives on "rebelious" themes, that and "cancer". Find me a skateboaring line brand, that promotes respect of the law/police/private propriety? Does it qualify them as "evildoers" that "hate freedom"?

[Mr.K]

You probably have something from ww2 nazi germany, you pesky anti semite!:bash: p-)

x2 Godless communist, christian crusador!p-)

[noname]

"its just a scarf" How sensitive some people are.-..


Yeah because muslims are never sensitive about ridiculous things.


BTW, I think it is ridiculous that there is an issue here.

[Vorian]

"its just a scarf" How sensitive some people are.-..

x2

You have to be really paranoid to see this pic and think of Muslims.

[Mr.K]

Well if you really want something exotic try something traditional Greek
Greeks are not "extreme" or "rad" enough, well at least they weren't in the last 75 years.

[Hollis]

x2

You have to be really paranoid to see this pic and think of Muslims.


Read JJC post, actually in the states, If I was a betting man, I would say it was political. Again about the only place to by one is from counter culture store/website. Other Option a gift. About the only time one sees them is at protests.

Again, I recognize the Oregon Bowling Trophy (capitol building) in the back ground. This is near where I live. It is a item one just does not see on a normal bases here.


BTW it is not Muslims, it is PLO. Our famed buddy arafat made them famous in the states.

[Hollis]

Greeks are not "extreme" or "rad" enough, well at least they weren't in the last 75 years.


Portland, Oregon has some really good Greek food.

[Mr.K]

http://www.walkabout.com/images/i/tag-ms039menstrail-st.jpg

Safari shirt : This must promote colonization and exploitation of africa by white people!
I'm surprised no one said anything to Crocodile hunter (R.I.P)

[hank]

Read JJC post, actually in the states, If I was a betting man, I would say it was political. Again about the only place to by one is from counter culture store/website. Other Option a gift. About the only time one sees them is at protests.

Again, I recognize the Oregon Bowling Trophy (capitol building) in the back ground. This is near where I live. It is a item one just does not see on a normal bases here.


BTW it is not Muslims, it is PLO. Our famed buddy arafat made them famous in the states.


Just FYI, one of Rachel's claims to fame is a TV show she used to do (ms. hank used to watch it) where she would travel the world and eat for $40 a day. Did a whole year on Europe. So she'd most definitely travelled places where she could have picked one up from a street vendor or from some boutique and thought it was pretty.

All the comments in this thread make me think none of you know or watch Rachel. she is about as clueless politically as anyone else I can think of. It would surprise me if that wasn't simply what she was wearing that day and that she had any idea what it was other than a pretty scarf.

hank

[cbreedon]

I have a kefiyah but the design is Star of Davids inter-twined. I like to be a rebel times 2.:)

Hollis
Living in the NW I see a fair amount of people wearing kefiyahs in downtown PDX and Seattle. Typical hippy types....:bash:

[Raven_gr]

Portland, Oregon has some really good Greek food.

I would love to taste some American food. It must be really nice but unfortunately the only American "restaurants" we have here are fast food franchises. A real shame. Oh well I might be moving by next year to America, or Canada.

[Hollis]

Just FYI, one of Rachel's claims to fame is a TV show she used to do (ms. hank used to watch it) where she would travel the world and eat for $40 a day. Did a whole year on Europe. So she'd most definitely travelled places where she could have picked one up from a street vendor or from some boutique and thought it was pretty.

All the comments in this thread make me think none of you know or watch Rachel. she is about as clueless politically as anyone else I can think of. It would surprise me if that wasn't simply what she was wearing that day and that she had any idea what it was other than a pretty scarf.

hank


Thanks Hank. I guess I should not mention I make a great Falafal and Humus. I'll loose my standing a right wing thug. LOL.

I am clueless as to who she is. When I bought mine, I like the multi color one better.


BTW, that is a beautiful to visit Salem, Or. when the cherry blossoms are in bloom.

[kamaz]

btw, you can pick up this stupid keffiya scarf on any street corner here in new york city. theres hordes of hipster doofuses wearing it everywhere, its pretty sickening. its 85 degrees outside and these trust fund fedayeen are wearing scarves into clubs, bars, etc.

yechhh

[Hollis]

I would love to taste some American food. It must be really nice but unfortunately the only American "restaurants" we have here are fast food franchises. A real shame. Oh well I might be moving by next year to America, or Canada.


The States is kind of like about 6 different geo-culinary worlds along with "ethnic" foods from the old country.

Cajun, Tex-Mex, etc........ and the famous BBQ and it varies as to where you are in the states.

[kamaz]

Fvck yeah the shemagh is a symbol, but I would not agree that it is a symbol of terror.



i wouldnt either, its worn by many arabs, not necessarily palestinian and its a traditional arab tribal head dress.


but its also been promoted and symbolized by Arafat's Fateh and PFLP terror groups, who murdered hundreds and committed dozens of hijackings in 70s and 80s.

[khukuri]

Yeah because muslims are never sensitive about ridiculous things.




Thats what this thread is all about. It usually tends to be one sided here.

If its is ridiculous or not I am afraid is in the bearers eyes.

If some people really find the keffya demonstrating terrorism to them I can see their point. The scarf has a political meaning, to me not the same as to Michelle Malkin.

[Vorian]

That Arafat made some real damage to fashion when he wore that scarf...

[little icebear]

BTW those of you who are whining about freedom of speech, (interesting, sort of assuming she is wearing it for political reasonings).......... Are denying the right of other people to express their opinion. Maybe both view are asinine.


First of all, I somehow think you´re degrading people by using the word "whining".

So some people feel that the shemagh stands for terrorism. Other people have a feeling that the confederate flag stands for racism. People sometimes believe they could judge other peoples beliefs just by their looks.
I admit - it works often enough. When I see some dude with rastas, wearing his Che T-Shirt, and shemagh around his neck while he´s rolling a splif, I can be pretty sure he´s not voting for the republican pary.
But a girl in an ad wearing a shemagh? No other sign that could give us a hint concerning her politcal affiliation? A "BUSH LIED"-Pin perhaps?
No? Than it´s just a scarf to me, because chances are good that she thinks the same way.

Maybe she´ll have trouble to find jobs for a while now, because until people forget about that blown-out-of-proportion BS piece, she´ll be the pro-terror model, just because she didn´t consider that this scarf could be interpreted is some way.

[MaDuce]

Speaking of Che t-shirts dont you just love it when self proclaimed communist/socialist college/high school students wear Che t-shirts and other such clothing that they bought at Hot Topic for 70 dollars that they got from their investment banker parents.

[Mr.K]

btw, you can pick up this stupid keffiya scarf on any street corner here in new york city. theres hordes of hipster doofuses wearing it everywhere, its pretty sickening. its 85 degrees outside and these trust fund fedayeen are wearing scarves into clubs, bars, etc.

yechhh

So you're basically agree that the ad is targeted at trust fund hipster doofuses (who's dad sits on the board of Chevron or somethign similar, while they boycott oil companies) rather that having a deep subliminal political message. Politics are not "hip", unless of couse its Obama:roll:

[vinny_121_ND]

Since when did westerner's started wearing the kaffiyeh? I have never seen anybody wear as a fashion statement, or a new fad. Whoever was on the marketing team of dunkin donuts needs to do some explanation.

[Mr.K]

Speaking of Che t-shirts dont you just love it when self proclaimed communist/socialist college/high school students wear Che t-shirts and pther such clothing that they bought at Hot Topic for 70 dollars that they got from their investment banker parents.

I do love it. Sell whatever's trendy, that's why capitalism works, it's constatly adapting. Seiously who cares the money didn't go to the communist party or what not, but to a company that embraces capitalism.


Since when did westerner's started wearing the kaffiyeh? I have never seen anybody wear as a fashion statement, or a new fad. Whoever was on the marketing team of dunkin donuts needs to do some explanation.

You live in Ottawa, it says it all ;)

[2Sheds_Jackson]

The harlot Rachael Ray is not fit to wear the glorious kaffiyeh nor to participate in our Jihad. Merciful as God is, he cannot tolerate that level of strained perkiness. We demand she return the garment for a store credit. Also, word has it that she's ah, well just say she has some miles on that camel toe of hers.

Mgmt,
2Sheds_Jackson People's Jihad & Aromatherapy

[kamaz]

So you're basically agree that the ad is targeted at trust fund hipster doofuses (who's dad sits on the board of Chevron or somethign similar, while they boycott oil companies) rather that having a deep subliminal political message. Politics are not "hip", unless of couse its Obama:roll:

i never disagreed with this, im sure the dunkin donuts ad exec wasnt even aware of the scarf or its potential political interpretation. im sure they didnt even think about it.

all im saying is that some people can interpret this as a symbol of terrorism because of what Arafat and his PLO thugs did in the last 30 years, all while wearing a keffieye

[NathS]

Look ! An evahl terrorist :

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2337/bundkeff3op1.th.jpg (http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bundkeff3op1.jpg)

rofl

[Hollis]

First of all, I somehow think you´re degrading people by using the word "whining".




No, Like the Dixie chicks, they feel they can express their opinions about Bush, but those who don't like it should just STFU...... BS, it is hypocrisy.

If you want to make a political statement (which probably not the case here, see Hank's post) be prepared to hear others express theirs. Don't whine about your freedom of speech. Freedom of Speech does not say some one can not "Call" you on it. Just like your Calling me on, what I said.


Freedom of Speech is Not a one way street. No one is saying she should be locked up, decapitated, beat up or what ever. She was paid to do a job, it is up to her employer on what is acceptable or not. In the world of merchandising were public opinion/insanity is taken seriously.. crap like this happens. Those opposing the wearing of that scarf can say they don't like it as inane as it maybe, they are expressing their freedom of speech.

Again, she was contracted, so that call is her employers on that one. Personally if she choose to wear it or not it is her business/her right to do so.

[Bro Jangles]

Thanks Hank. I guess I should not mention I make a great Falafal and Humus. I'll loose my standing a right wing thug. LOL.

I am clueless as to who she is. When I bought mine, I like the multi color one better.


BTW, that is a beautiful to visit Salem, Or. when the cherry blossoms are in bloom.

i own one that my buddy got me in iraq, it is just a scarf, up here in seattle it is like the little middle east, they are everywhere.

BTW i like oregon more than wasshington.

[Mr.K]

i never disagreed with this, im sure the dunkin donuts ad exec wasnt even aware of the scarf or its potential political interpretation. im sure they didnt even think about it.

all im saying is that some people can interpret this as a symbol of terrorism because of what Arafat and his PLO thugs did in the last 30 years, all while wearing a keffieye

I think trough various threads on mp.net , the public conclusion is : it's not because X offends someone that it should be banned.
The exec probably just said : find me whatever is trendy and put it on Ray.
http://www.learner.org/jnorth/images/graphics/s/sm_mb98UPS1.jpg

Oh snap. a brown shirt, UPS must be nazi antisemites. !

[gaijinsamurai]

@ Hollis & Kamaz

I know,

"the Koran is just a book, nothing wrong with shooting at it"... I am playing with a certain theme you see.


Fvck yeah the shemagh is a symbol, but I would not agree that it is a symbol of terror.

Agreed. I've got a khafiyeh that was given to me by an Arab friend, and it is no more a symbol of terrorism than a felaffel and humous.
Michelle Malkin is an idiot, who needs to quit creating "controversies" for the sole purpose of getting attention for herself.

[vinny_121_ND]

yep, it's in style
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5730/5747857143d7ec903oyx2.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/454277765_592b6c5d50.jpg
http://www.jewlicious.com/wp-content/uploads/ck/ua_skull_keff.jpg

[orionhawk]

is anyone sure that is a keffiyeh, and not just a paisley black-and-white scarf?

I agree with hank and HOLLIS. even if it really is a keffiyeh, I rather doubt Ray is trying to make any kind of a statement. this is quite probably a case of some oversensitive ad execs, and some idiot looking to start a controversy.

[California Joe]

Rachel Ray = Delta11One111

[Mr.K]

Vinny, it's like a livestrong yellow nike bracelet. Shows that "you care"
From stuffwhitepeoplelike.com


But not all white people wear the scarves for temperature reasons. A well made scarf can be an essential part of a white ensemble, allowing for all-important differentiation from other white people wearing the exact same clothes as them. Thus allowing them to be picked out of the crowd for dating or mocking purposes
“I like the guy in the white American Apparel shirt with the glasses.”
“Which one? there are eight.”
“The guy with the keffiyeh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keffiyeh).”
“Oh yeah, you’re right. He does look smarter and more political than the other guys. He’s clearly more sensitive to wind, so he’s probably more sensitive in general. You should totally date him.”

[Hollis]

is anyone sure that is a keffiyeh, and not just a paisley black-and-white scarf?

I agree with hank and HOLLIS. even if it really is a keffiyeh, I rather doubt Ray is trying to make any kind of a statement. this is quite probably a case of some oversensitive ad execs, and some idiot looking to start a controversy.


A thought just cross my mind, Maybe they should have gotten a much better looking model, then who would have ever notice what she was wearing.

[Power_serj]

FTW!!!!!1!! It's about time we make a big deal about something so little! BTW, if you play the ad backwards, you can hear her saying "Allah Akbar!"

[Mr.K]

A thought just cross my mind, Maybe they should have gotten a much better looking model, then who would have ever notice what she was wearing.
Nah, you have the ultra-left/ultra-right watchdogs that scan media or policies for anything that can be considered "offensive".

[orionhawk]

A thought just cross my mind, Maybe they should have gotten a much better looking model, then who would have ever notice what she was wearing.
actually, the first comment I almost made was who the heck was looking at her fashion sense, and not that face. I think Rachel Ray is cute.

[little icebear]

Don't whine about your freedom of speech. Freedom of Speech does not say some one can not "Call" you on it. Just like your Calling me on, what I said.


Maybe we have a communication problem since my English isn´t that good. To me "whining" was when someone´s bitching and moaning and complaining with no end.
I haven´t seen anybody doing this in this threat. Saying something like "Michelle Malking, you douche: It is just a scarf!" is hardly whining. But maybe I´m wrong or oversensitive or something.

[Dan2004]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/454277765_592b6c5d50.jpg

She's pretty cute. I'd hit it. p-)

Lose the rag, it's kinda tacky on civs IMO.

[szr]

Much ado about nothing but I had a good chuckle when they showed the image on the news.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7057/cap3516fg9.th.jpg (http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/7057/cap3516fg9.jpg)

I love how she's holding her finger in the air like she's enumerating her demands before the hostages can be released. PS a different logo into the upper left corner, add some jihad music, and you've got yourself a YTMND.

[little icebear]

She's pretty cute. I'd hit it. p-)


Ask for her ID first. You might get yourself in trouble otherwise.

[Bro Jangles]

She's pretty cute. I'd hit it. p-)

Lose the rag, it's kinda tacky on civs IMO.

that head towel would look better on my bedroom floor!

[Kilgor]

that head towel would look better on my bedroom floor!

or cleaning up the wet spot.

[Dan2004]

that head towel would look better on my bedroom floor!

Just what i was thinking!

[Bro Jangles]

Just what i was thinking!

you know what they say perverted minds think alike.

[Dan2004]

you know what they say perverted minds think alike.

Hooah to that. p-)

[angry cow]

Originally Posted by koutch:
So you're basically agree that the ad is targeted at trust fund hipster doofuses (who's dad sits on the board of Chevron or something similar, while they boycott oil companies) rather that having a deep subliminal political message. Politics are not "hip", unless of course its Obama.


Word. Personally, I doubt it was her decision to wear it. As a coffee company, they would be idiots not to target the hipster crowd that typically goes to $tarbuck$ or whatever. It's a symbol alright, a symbol of America's ability to re-brand anything into a capitalist icon. We win. Terrorists lose. Boosh.

http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/rect-reaganplaingr.jpg

[Bro Jangles]

i must be a terrorist

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm112/bravo-juliet/IMAGE_054.jpg

[Vorian]

nah..I see a cross. You are obviously an agent that has infiltrated Hamas.

[Bro Jangles]

nah..I see a cross. You are obviously an agent that has infiltrated Hamas.

yeh hezbollah better watch out for us fanatic catholic double agents! p-)

[Vorian]

rofl rofl rofl

[Bro Jangles]

dude, i dont care what everyone says, i love my real iraqi head towel.i love to wear it when the pizza delivery man shows up.

[ed316]

She needs to be sent to Gitmo ASAP!!

[Bro Jangles]

She needs to be sent to Gitmo ASAP!!

f**k gitmo, she needs to be sent to my room for "interrogation"

[CPLHUNTER]

Like others have said, there is much more important crap to worry about in the world than what double R is wearing.

I really don't think that she was trying make any statement. She wears scarves alot on her shows, yes I watch the Food Network so her having that on is nothing.

Oh and she's cute p-)

[ed316]

f**k gitmo, she needs to be sent to my room for "interrogation"


You going to show her your Pokemon cards and play Xbox?

[Bro Jangles]

You going to show her your Pokemon cards and play Xbox?

what do you take me for? i play yu-gi-oh, Beatch. but if shes cool with the xbox that woulb sweeet!

[Buckeye67]

I love Rachel. I love it when she says "E-V-O-O". She sets my loins all a-tingle, and I wish to be her love slave.


On topic, yeah - the last celebrity I can think of to be making a "political statement" is Rachel Ray.

[ed316]

I prefer Giada DeLaurientes(sp?)

[Buckeye67]

Giada is hot, no doubt - but to me her head looks disproportionately large for the rest of her body (which is hot).

Nigella Lawson is also hot, and her breasts appear to be disproportionately large for her body... but that's not a bad thing.

v--I'd hit it.

[Bro Jangles]

paula dean, nuff said

[T3ngu]

Ok, stfu and send me some donuts, you are all making me hungry.

[Dan2004]

I prefer Francesca Le, being the pervy bastard that I am.

[ed316]

Giada is hot, no doubt - but to me her head looks disproportionately large for the rest of her body (which is hot).

Nigella Lawson is also hot, and her breasts appear to be disproportionately large for her body... but that's not a bad thing.

v--I'd hit it.

Yeah her head is not proportion to her body but a brother can work it out.

[Bro Jangles]

Ok, stfu and send me some donuts, you are all making me hungry.

i could go for a apple fritter, but the nearest dunkin donouts is in portland

[T3ngu]

i could go for a apple fritter, but the nearest dunkin donouts is in portland

I can't even get Crispy creme in my state, we have to fly them up from sydney.

[Bro Jangles]

I can't even get Crispy creme in my state, we have to fly them up from sydney.

that is harse, but one of the best reasons ive heard to buy a plane ticket

[Dan2004]

Tori Sinclair, Jeanne Basone, Laeiana Forte, Lisa Drake.....

[hank]

Yeah her head is not proportion to her body but a brother can work it out.

Indeed, Giada makes me happy.

Rachel's ass is wider than she is tall. i'm the first to admit that she's got a cute face. But you really can't appreciate how short and wide she is except in person. In a word: shocking. Be carefuly what you wish for with her. if you got it you might not like it.

Now, Giada? I'm all about some Giada.

hank

[T3ngu]

that is harse, but one of the best reasons ive heard to buy a plane ticket

Problem is I avoid sydney like the plague, don't go unless i have to.

[ed316]

Seems like we all agree that Giada is hot. Lock thread.

[duhblow7]

BTW it is not Muslims, it is PLO. Our famed buddy arafat made them famous in the states.


I had no idea. Congrats Michelle Malkin and your buddies at HotAir, you've created the Streisand Effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

[Buckeye67]

Rachel's ass is wider than she is tall. i'm the first to admit that she's got a cute face. But you really can't appreciate how short and wide she is except in person. In a word: shocking. Be carefuly what you wish for with her. if you got it you might not like it.

hank

I'm all about the badookadunk. ;)

[hank]

I'm all about the badookadunk. ;)

Then you Rachel will get along great. "I like big butts and I cannot lie . . . ."

hank

[California Joe]

That Giada broad looks like The Penguins daughter.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2006/0606/delaurentis_0602.jpg

[ed316]

Hater .

[Vorian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

I didn't know that. Thanks for the info!!

[T3ngu]

Didnt know who she was so i googled her. All makes sence now. http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5691/rachaelrayqb8.jpg

[Flagg]

Just FYI, one of Rachel's claims to fame is a TV show she used to do (ms. hank used to watch it) where she would travel the world and eat for $40 a day. Did a whole year on Europe. So she'd most definitely travelled places where she could have picked one up from a street vendor or from some boutique and thought it was pretty.

All the comments in this thread make me think none of you know or watch Rachel. she is about as clueless politically as anyone else I can think of. It would surprise me if that wasn't simply what she was wearing that day and that she had any idea what it was other than a pretty scarf.

hank

I've seen that show.......actually pretty entertaining.

From what little I've seen of Rachel Ray on that show(my wife informs me she's now got about eleventeen shows on the air, and a gazillion books) she comes across as a genuinely nice person.

From my understanding of marketing and advertising goes I find it highly unlikely Dunkin Donuts parent company would be interested in a guerilla advertising campaign "unintentionally" meant to generate outsized media attention for actual ad spend at the risk of damaging the brand. I also find it highly unlikely that Rachel Ray, with a career going parabolic, woulds intentionally attempt to achieve "unintentional" media attention when she's probably getting close to being over saturated in the media.

Celebrities, when being paid for endorsements, are typically talking mannequins.....as long as what they wear/say isn't perceived by their agency management to negatively impact their career...they do what they're told and cash the cheques.

I could be completely wrong.....but Dunkin Donuts and Rachel Ray are two brands that wouldn't suit an unconventional "Whoops, my pastie covered nipple/**** accidentally fell out in the middle of the SuperBowl halftime show accidentally" advertising campaign.

Which brings us to Michelle Malkin......who's antics I've seen on Fox News paired up with Bill O'Reilly "interviewing" a "guest".......exchange "interview" for "tag team wrestling" and "guest" for "pre-determined wrestling loser" to understand my perception of her.

Michelle Malkin should suit up in an American flagged wrestling suit, go on the WWE circuit and insult the Iron Sheik out of retirement, if he's still alive, and settle things once and for all between the US and Iran where it really matters........on the canvas at Smackdown XXXVIII.

Michelle Malkin is a parasitic and opportunistic media whore and the kaffiyeh is no more "the new swastika" than a baseball cap, in my opinion.

[Bro Jangles]

Didnt know who she was so i googled her. All makes sence now. http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5691/rachaelrayqb8.jpg

thank you food network god, you have answered my prayers!

you got chocolate on my hottie, you got hottie on my chocolate.

[Flagg]

Indeed, Giada makes me happy.

Rachel's ass is wider than she is tall. i'm the first to admit that she's got a cute face. But you really can't appreciate how short and wide she is except in person. In a word: shocking. Be carefuly what you wish for with her. if you got it you might not like it.

Now, Giada? I'm all about some Giada.

hank

Chubby girls need love too!

Especially ones that can cook a mean feed.

[Bro Jangles]

Chubby girls need love too!

Especially ones that can cook a mean feed.

to quote on of my heros " Fat girls need lovin too, but they got to pay!"

[hank]

Word Flagg. I've been hard on Rachel. I shuld say that she was very gracious when we met her. We took a picture and she signed 3-4 books. Talked to us for a while. She was very nice and seemed like a nice person.

Google her though. There are entire forums devoted to people talking about what a bitch she is. Apparently she never tips at all. Its kind of funny.

Before anyone says I am obsessed remember this - its ms. hank that loves her and I just went along for the ride.

hank

[Flagg]

Word Flagg. I've been hard on Rachel. I shuld say that she was very gracious when we met her. We took a picture and she signed 3-4 books. Talked to us for a while. She was very nice and seemed like a nice person.

Google her though. There are entire forums devoted to people talking about what a bitch she is. Apparently she never tips at all. Its kind of funny.

Before anyone says I am obsessed remember this - its ms. hank that loves her and I just went along for the ride.

hank

I blame it on the crazy womens

They're all nice, soft, and curvy on the surface but just itching for a bloodsport cagematch just below the surface.

Just the other day my wife took our toddlers with all the other "footy moms" to this "music for kids" Monthly Music Group thing where everyone compliments each other's clothes, kids, hair, etc...and they gossip and drink coffee.

Then one of the old ladies running the shindig announced the REAL reason why everyone was there......the clothing fundraiser was open.

The clothes are for infants,toddlers, young'ins supplied by the big brands sold at about 5 cents on the dollar.

My wife said it was a blur from there.......all sense of civility and laws of armed conflict went out the window in a picosecond.

She managed to get a couple really choice items, and punched some rookie mother of one in the throat.....but a couple cruiserweight bloodsport Sheilas cornered her, and since my wife's just a tiny, little stone cold bantamweight killer, they choked her out when reaching for a pair of Pumpkin Patch overalls for a 3 year old.

Apparantly the first rule of Monthly Music Group is you do not talk about Monthly Music Group.

Women are crazy.....I bet this has nothing to do with the kaffiyeh. I bet Rachel Ray shot Michelle Malkin a dirty look....and now it's on!

[vinny_121_ND]

Women are crazy.....I bet this has nothing to do with the kaffiyeh. I bet Rachel Ray shot Michelle Malkin a dirty look....and now it's on!

LOL. I don't think I have anything against malkin. I think she's a supporter of the gwot, very patriotic.

[khukuri]

I was asking my self how this thread reached so many pages. Then browsed throu them hahaha




Michelle Malkin is an idiot, who needs to quit creating "controversies" for the sole purpose of getting attention for herself.

Michelle Malkin is so desperatly trying to become a new Ann Coulter but fails miserably.

Coulter, as much as I hate her has style while Malkin just wines.

[LaoSexMachine]

Times dos about Giada.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2270/1953900252_4bd89fbb00.jpg

[Hot Lips]

I could care less what a few people think the scarf RR's wearing represents... it's an awful look for her, the scarf distracts from the product, the purse doesn't work with her outfit, and the composition as a whole is visually unappealling.

*walks out of thread with nose in the air*


They're all nice, soft, and curvy on the surface but just itching for a bloodsport cagematch just below the surface.

You been reading my diary?

[helomech]

Sweet Jesus,you could fly an MI-17 into that trap for a mouth she's got!

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2006/0606/delaurentis_0602.jpg

And as far as the scarf goes,it's a fvcking scarf-nothing more,nothing less;I've got a few myself from my travels,and wear them every so often but I'm not making a statement when I wear them either,it's just an article of clothing-a fashion accessory if you will

[gaijinsamurai]

I'd rather see people going after this bitch:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/world/europe/28terror.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[Adux]

Is that how we are going to differentiate ourseleves from THEM!!!!
Its just a scarf, quite popular in the arab world, and I do have one too.

[Calanen]

I dont think anyone is saying, Dunkin Donuts cant have a keffiyah in their ads. They can. But they then have to deal with the fallout of it being the symbol of the PLO, Al Fatah and Hamas. Normally donut stores dont wish to enter the heady world of political debate.

As I mentioned in the Things Im Currently Hating thread, I saw a Too Cool For School German tourist wearing a Keffiyah at lunch time yesterday. I thought..major tool. If he was a Palestinian or an Arab (please dont PM me with a history of the British Mandate of Palestine re there are no such thing as Palestinians. the term is just descriptive, not my affirmation of the sovereignty of Palestine..), ok, you've got your team and I've got mine. But he was a white guy.....

[Adux]

Come to think of it, it aint the liberals who eat most of their donuts!!!

[Adux]

Calenan,

I got that arab thingie, as far as I was concerend it looked cool. Like any white and black piece of cloth!!

Adu

[Hollis]

http://bp0.blogger.com/_uM7lK710y7I/Rwk2fLjZZ9I/AAAAAAAAAZ0/-sMsPO6pAxg/s320/Che+Tshirt.jpg





Hello my name is Ernesto, I am a simple revolutionary. By buying this T-shirt I get 10% of the proceeds to help my little children and wife. Also we have office Che' berets, Che' pens and yes, my own brand of coffee at ( insert name ) coffee shop.


For the modern revolutionary please visit any one of my Che' centers, they are located in the best malls.


Power to the People

E. G. aka Che'


PS yes, Airsofter check out my latest load out ad Che@airsoft.com.

[little icebear]

I saw a Too Cool For School German tourist wearing a Keffiyah at lunch time yesterday. I thought..major tool.

Was it this guy? p-)

http://shop.lindnerhof-taktik.de/images/produktbilder/Heck.jpg

[LaoSexMachine]

I have two of them. I wear it to go buy gas.

[vinny_121_ND]

I'd rather see people going after this bitch:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/world/europe/28terror.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

holy moly, she's paid 1100 a month for unemployment benefits, and all she does is spread violence over the internet. She knows the system she says ...

[Adux]

I have two of them. I wear it to go buy gas.

hillarious!!!!

[Calanen]

Was it this guy? p-)



Our special forces guys wear them too. But they are in Afghanistan! Do as the Romans do.

But civvies wearing em here..I think that is toolage territory.

[T3ngu]

As do bottleshop employees.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/bondis-keffiyeh-kerfuffle/2008/05/30/1211654279497.html

[Eztyga]

The photo looks like it was taken at the Oregon capitol. The Oregon bowling trophy is visiable in the back ground.

The scarf is sold by certain groups, it is not readily available in the US...

So maybe she is making a political point. So other people are making a political point.

You can buy them everywhere here in Sydney, every second bird has one wrapped around her neck at the moment.

Ezy

Edit: see this http://www.smh.com.au/interactive/2008/world/kaffiyeh/index.html

[Calanen]

As do bottleshop employees.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/bondis-keffiyeh-kerfuffle/2008/05/30/1211654279497.html

Bastage..

Beat me by that much......

Here is a photo of the person in question...

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7971/sl370149narrowweb300x34xt7.jpg[/

What a muppet. She thought it was a 'cowboy scarf'.

[Buckeye67]

^--I'd hit it.


As do bottleshop employees.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/bondis-keffiyeh-kerfuffle/2008/05/30/1211654279497.html

Not a bad looking chick. p-)

[T3ngu]

^--I'd hit it.



Not a bad looking chick. p-)

Im begining to think you would hit a snake with a festering bum, provided someone held the head.

[IraGlacialis]

yep, it's in style
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5730/5747857143d7ec903oyx2.jpg
****, that is a pop-collared level of toolness. They aren't even wearing it the right way. And unless there is incliment weather outside (sand/duststorm or really cold winds) or they want to keep their indentities hidden (which I doubt), it is completely useless. It is like those emos who wear scarves in the middle of ****ing summer. The vapid douche-laden faces don't help things either.

As for the main topic. I think those bloggers and commenters threw a fuss for nothing. It could have just been a patterned scarf.

[PeterRJG]

^^^

That picture...like wow, wipeout.

[Buckeye67]

Im begining to think you would hit a snake with a festering bum, provided someone held the head.

Four and a half years does things to a fella. :(

[T3ngu]

Four and a half years does things to a fella. :(

Sorry, i forgot about that, how about i hold the head p-)

[PanzerMaster]

Was it this guy? p-)
...

Also, I saw a lot of pic with italian soldier using scarf while deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan... maybe also in the Balkan.

[Calanen]

Its not usually my style to beat on people for wearing particular clothes, but, if I was going to beat on someone.. ..it would have to be that tool city crew in the photo for wearing keffiyehs.

[Protected]

The scarf is a special code only terrorists know used to make people hate freedom. Its a big scarf conspiracy, I see some members have already put on their tinfoil hats to protect themselves from the freedom haters.

[GNR]

The scarf is a special code only terrorists know used to make people hate freedom. Its a big scarf conspiracy, I see some members have already put on their tinfoil hats to protect themselves from the freedom haters.

So it's like the Red Hat Society?

Seriously though, this seems pretty blown out of proportion.

[toki]

Well the fact that they are easily obtained in Europe shouldn't surprise anyone considering the Muslim population and cultural influence across Europe.

In the U.S. I would find it suspicious if a non Muslim wears a Kuffiyeh because it has been used and promoted by the left-wing groups for their propaganda. Support for Islamic extremism is slowly being used in fashion industry as well. Take a look
http://www.zombietime.com/sf_anti-war_rally_oct_27_2007/the_al-aqsa_kaffiyeh_brigade/

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/986129.html

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1599/518671341dl.jpg

[deagle]

i can't wait for the islamophobia propaganda sets in

[AkerWalker]

Here in the Basque country (north of Spain) we call it "palestino" (Palestinian).
Some years ago all the ETA supporters start wearing it. If you saw somebody wearing it you can be sure he or she was a Terrorist supporters. But now you can see a lot of people wearing it, like some kind of European fashion.

[Connaught Ranger]

its symbols. for many the palestinian keffiyeh is a symbol of palestinain terrorism and hijackings. its more than simply a 'scarf'

And the keffiyeh has been "hijacked" by the World Students as a fashion item for years, by using your definition then the late, great, Elvis Presley's hairstyle is a symbol of all thats wrong in the decadent west!!

And here I was thinking it was skinhead haircuts and Doc Martin Boots:oops: and the Klan.

Connaught Ranger:)

[GNR]

islamophobia

A phobia is an irriational fear, I've read the Koran, they really want to kill me, it's not a phobia.

[Calanen]

A phobia is an irriational fear, I've read the Koran, they really want to kill me, it's not a phobia.

You need to read it again then. You are probably just taking the 'slay the unbelievers wherever you find them' part out of context.

[GNR]

You need to read it again then. You are probably just taking the 'slay the unbelievers wherever you find them' part out of context.

Opps.. my bad.

[Lazy Lob]

You need to read it again then. You are probably just taking the 'slay the unbelievers wherever you find them' part out of context.

As usual, we always do.

[gilgoul]

More than just a chic checkered scarf
http://multimedia.thestar.com/images/9d/5e/229c1ab742cc8b42a3334ae0d645.jpeg CARLOS LATUFF CARTOON
Che Guevara drawn in a 'kaffiyeh.'






May 30, 2008 04:30 AM
Mafaz Al-Suwaidan
Special to the star
The scarf once seen covering the faces of stone-throwing boys, wrapping the bodies of bullet-pierced babies and shading the creased napes of olive farmers now makes an appearance on the mannequins of Toronto and the outfits of the rich and fabulous of New York.
And an item of clothing resembling that scarf, called a kaffiyeh, forced Dunkin' Donuts to pull an ad this week featuring celebrity chef Rachael Ray. Ray wore a black and white scarf in the ad, promoting Dunkin' Donuts' iced coffee. Critics said the scarf offered symbolic support for Muslim extremism, The Associated Press reports.
The controversial kaffiyeh, also known as the hatta or the shemagh, is a cloth about 54 inches squared. Commonly seen on the heads of men in the Middle East, the kaffiyeh was historically used simply as protection from the scorching sun. Now, the checked scarves carry a much deeper meaning.
"The kaffiyeh is a visual extension of our struggle, a way to be a thorn in the silence," says Ahmad Habib, Iraqi refugee and a member of the Arab Cultural Resistance music group. "Everywhere, from the Arab world to Toronto, people dress up to paint the world with conformity and indifference. The kaffiyeh stands in the way of that."
The transition of the kaffiyeh from the Middle Eastern version of a baseball cap to a symbol of solidarity came with the occupation of Palestinian land. The kaffiyeh became a symbol of national identity for Palestinians. From the '60s on, Palestine Liberation Organization officials and members, such Yasser Arafat, wore the kaffiyeh everywhere they went.
International coverage of the first intifada often showed pictures of Palestinian civilians throwing stones with kaffiyehs around their faces or necks. But afterward, the kaffiyeh was popular only amongst activists and Palestinian refugees.
During the second intifada in 2000, sympathy for Palestinians began to grow and the kaffiyeh became a way of displaying solidarity.
"Ideally, I want everyone to wear the kaffiyeh," says Habib, "but if it's just worn for the aesthetic value, without the spirit of resistance wrapped up in every thread, then they might as well not wear it at all, and if it becomes appropriated by commercial interests, then that's even worse."
In the window of a downtown Toronto branch of Le Château stands a mannequin wearing the latest spring fashions and a kaffiyeh around its neck. The store has been selling them for about two months. According to one salesperson, "They are selling really well. We'll probably sell them all within two weeks." Asked whether he knew what the kaffiyeh stands for, he said, "No idea." Other major retailers that sell the kaffiyeh include Urban Outfitters and H&M.
"It bothers me a lot to see the kaffiyeh go mainstream because now when you see someone wearing it, you don't know if they're wearing it for that reason, or just because it's a fashion," says University of Toronto student Jameela Jaber, a Palestinian.
"When I watch the news and see a dead Palestinian being carried to his grave, you see him wrapped with a Palestinian flag and kaffiyeh. You see everyone else wearing it. My grandfather wore it all the time."
The kaffiyeh has emerged as a symbol of resistance against oppression worldwide. "At a time when Iraq is occupied in the most violent way, the kaffiyeh, or shemagh as it is known in Iraq, carries the pride and dignity of my people and the sweet smell of Iraqi soil," says Habib. "I wear Baghdad around my neck, just like I carry it in my heart."
The transition of the kaffiyeh from a symbol of resistance to a fashion fad is not the first of its kind. Witness Che Guevara shirts once worn as a symbol of revolution. Today such shirts are sold for $15 to people who don't know who the Cuban revolutionary was. "I've had someone ask me: `Is that the lead singer from Rage Against the Machine?'" says Joe Taylor, at Toronto's Come Get Customized store.
In 2002, Brazilian political cartoonist Carlos Latuff introduced a drawing of Che Guevara with a kaffiyeh wrapped around his head. This image was popular amongst pro-Palestinian activists, but did not go mainstream. Why? Probably because it clearly calls for revolution in Palestine, and a call like that is one that neither H&M nor Urban Outfitters et al would like to include in their spring collection.
The irony is, they already have.
Mafaz Al-Suwaidan, 20, is a Kuwaiti citizen studying journalism at Ryerson University. Accustomed to seeing the scarf used as a political symbol, she was taken by its use as a fashion statement in Toronto and decided to investigate. This article is the product of her curiosity.






Source Toronto star (http://www.thestar.com/living/article/433754)





I guess that answers pretty well all the proponents of the "innocent" Kaffiyeh.:)
I have no problem with people wearing them, and I know even Israeli residents of Samaria and Juda who wear a Kaffiyah when outdoor, simply because it is among the most practical handkerchief to wear in hot climate,thus its adoption as shemagh by various armed personnel, with the african Cheiche, also adopted by the French army we deploying overseas.
But there is a big difference between the practical use and the political statement that can be made of a piece of outfit.
Those who remember the eighties will agree that wearing Getta Grip or Doc Martens boots in a certain way, with certain laces, was a sure way of getting either a free beer or a kick depending on who one stumbled upon.


One dresses a certain way as a statement to his/her surroundings, unless, just as the case with the "Che" shirts, the emos united have already emptied the artifact of all of it's meaning, and in this case, I can rejoice, that would mean that the "ideology" promoted by the author of the piece I cited, has entered the limbo of fashion.

[Eztyga]

Hell, they are even fashionable in Afghanistan...

Ezy

[angry cow]

Commonly seen on the heads of men in the Middle East, the kaffiyeh was historically used simply as protection from the scorching sun. Now, the checked scarves carry a much deeper meaning.

Source Toronto star (http://www.thestar.com/living/article/433754)


The first sentence is historical fact, while the second is pure opinion. The only reason you know why someone wears it is if you ask them. Anything else is an asinine assumption.

[muttbutt]

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1599/518671341dl.jpg
Oh ****!! the guy on the left looks forign...maybe even a Muslim......and by extrapolating that out, the German are arming shifty forign looking guy's who may be muslims....and out again Germany supports Al'qaida....oh you crafty German bastards!!



I guess all those Western SF and other military guy's who wear these are terrorists too?


what a complete non story.:roll:

[IraGlacialis]

... unless, just as the case with the "Che" shirts, the emos united have already emptied the artifact of all of it's meaning, and in this case, I can rejoice, that would mean that the "ideology" promoted by the author of the piece I cited, has entered the limbo of fashion.
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/5339/revolutionariesmotivaiovq9.png

[eurekaa]

Dunkin’ Donuts yanks Rachael Ray ad


Islamic group slams fear-mongering
Rachael Ray “keffiyeh” ad pulled


http://www.onlines.ws/wp-content/img/rachel_ray.jpg



Dunkin’ Donuts has pulled an online ad featuring Rachael Ray, where the TV celebrity chef is seen wearing a black and white scarf that some critics likened to a keffiyeh, a traditional Arab headdress.

Dunkin’ Donuts removed the two-week old ad last weekend, after columnist and blogger Michelle Malkin said it was “hate couture.”

The Associated Press reported that the company received complaints that the scarf Ray wore “offers symbolic support for Muslim extremism and terrorism.”

Ray hosts morning lifestyle show “Rachael Ray” on ABC, and also appears on the Food Network and has written recipe books.

Dunkin’ Donuts, a popular coffee and baked goods chain, said in a statement Ray had been wearing a silk scarf with a “paisley design” selected by a stylist with no intended symbolism.

It pulled the ad due to the possibility of misperception, the company said.
“Our comment is no comment whatsoever,” Ray’s spokesman Charlie Dougiello said when asked about the ad’s removal.

A U.S. Islamic lobby group on Thursday called the move an “incredibly silly situation”.

“It’s sad that Dunkin’ Donuts pandered to that kind of fear-mongering. They have businesses in the Middle East, in the Arab world. It’s interesting to see how that will affect business there,” said Ahmed Rehab, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

The article source ( onlines ) (http://www.onlines.ws/?p=603)

[Buckeye67]

R-R-R-Repost!

Not even off the first page of threads:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=135058

:p

Fake edit: I still <3 Rachel.

[eurekaa]

R-R-R-Repost!

Not even off the first page of threads:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=135058

:p

Fake edit: I still <3 Rachel.

Oops :(
and its 2 days older as well ..

My apologize to ( koutch (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=8965) ) and all of you guys , I sent a PM to the moderator ( Argyll ) to delete my duplicated thread .

[hank]

Dude she is such an ABL/PLO/terrorist supporter. You can tell because she's wearing that scarf thing. To Gitmo with her I say.

hank

[AGE-Ranger]

From the wiki entry on keffiyehs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keffiyeh

Increased sympathy and activism by certain Westerners toward Palestinians in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_Conflict) in the years of the Oslo Peace Accords (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Peace_Accords) and Second Intifada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada) have led to the wearing of keffiyehs as a sign of their solidarity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_%28sociology%29) with Palestine and the Palestinian people. For example, the slang "keffiyeh kinderlach" refers to young left-wing Jews, particularly college students, who sport a keffiyeh around the neck as a political/fashion statement. This term may have first appeared in print in an article by Bradley Burston in which he writes of "the suburban-exile kaffiyeh kinderlach of Berkeley, more Palestinian by far than the Palestinians" in their criticism of Israel.

So, its not some kind of right wing attack on this woman. There is reason to believe she was making a statement.

[Macs.]

A statment ? This thing has been a fashion trend here in the last year, with it now slowly beginning to go out - But I say for 95% of people who wear that, it's not a political statement - Most actually don't even know what it is supposed to be standing for. :roll:

Simple PC doing it's job. In 10 years all humans in Ads will be Unisex, Middle-Aged, Race-Mixed, religious atheists wearing white shirts made of 400 different fabrics.

And all these sensitive dorks will think it's just ****ing dandy.

Anyone wants to feel important and sensitive today. So there is one guy sitting infront of his computer who is just feeling damn great today because he found something to do and talk about.

[hank]

I'm fairly certain that Rachel Ray would not be able to say with any certainty what PLO even stands for. And the notion that Dunkin Donuts would profit from supporting Muslim extremists is stupid. The "donut" crowd in the US tends to frown on that kind of stuff.

Note what DD said - their "fashion" person thought it was a "paisley" scarf. Sound pretty sinister. Maybe we should get the NSA to intercept their emails and phone calls.

Not to mention this is about a week old anyway. Its virtually ancient history now.

hank

[gaz]

A couple of years ago it became fashionable in the UK for women to wear ponchos. I now realise that they were in fact just showing their support for Clint Eastwood.

[szr]

The "donut" crowd in the US tends to frown on that kind of stuff.Yeah, but they're trying to make inroads with the "coffee crowd" (:fork:) and showing support for ME militant organizations might be just what the doctor ordered.



p-)

[loganinkosovo]

Hollis, to me anyone who wears a Che Guevera shirt/pin/beltbuckle is a grade A fool because of the economic reason you mentioned above. Moreover it's never someone who's from the working class but some upset rebelious teenager/university student from middle or upper middle class, a class created by capitalism.

Khukuri

http://www.russianarmysurplus.com/images/ushanka/rabbit_hat_ushanka_grey_lg.jpg

Not a winter fur hat, but a symbol of communism!


Only if it has a red star on it.

And Comrade Snuggle Bunny is not amused.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42656&d=1202107698

http://www.thepeoplescube.com/

[Fintin]

Note what DD said - their "fashion" person thought it was a "paisley" scarf.

hank

Technically it is closer to houndstooth...

I have had friends return from Iraq with very similar scarves. It isnt difficult to find images of US military personnel wearing these. Admittedly, not always in black and white, but they are available.

Hell, I wear one all the time in the winter, not to make a political statement, but because it is a nice scarf. Great when skiing if the weather goes real south, you have enough to pull up over your helmet to keep some more snow off you. Also great for the summer when you are working demo jobs, keeps sun and dust off your face.


Its fabric. if I wear a brown shirt to work am I supporting fascists?

[hank]

Its fabric. if I wear a brown shirt to work am I supporting fascists?

Yes. But that's what we love about you Fintin.

If you look in Argyll's photo album, he apparently wears a red one often. I double-dog dare anyone to tell Argyll he's supporting terrorists. I doubt he'd look kindly on that statement.

hank

[Kaplanr]

Technically it is closer to houndstooth...

I have had friends return from Iraq with very similar scarves. It isnt difficult to find images of US military personnel wearing these. Admittedly, not always in black and white, but they are available.

Hell, I wear one all the time in the winter, not to make a political statement, but because it is a nice scarf. Great when skiing if the weather goes real south, you have enough to pull up over your helmet to keep some more snow off you. Also great for the summer when you are working demo jobs, keeps sun and dust off your face.


Its fabric. if I wear a brown shirt to work am I supporting fascists?

Bingo. I used to wear one that I bought in Jerusalem to go skiing too. Wish I could find photos of the Hagana and Palmach fighters wearing them too.

[Nephilim]

agh.. i hate those punks wearing that scarf..
its really bollocks..
some years ago i wore it myself in winter, as its been pretty handy and not THAT known..
also got stupid remarks from time to time but well..

now these people who´ve mocked run around with them.. some of them are emos some are chavs and chavettes... its silly.

i dont think just because you wear the kuffiyeh you make a political statement.
eg some other arabian countries wear it as a head dress. are these terrorists? no (unless you consider all arabs as terrorists..)

[Mr.Flint]

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l235/mr_flint/FATAH11.jpg
paisley scarves too?
afaik you cant walk around with a swastika since its associated with nazis, regardless of its non nazi character.

[sir-chimp]

sigh

context always helps

(all pics from the same rallies)

I simply cant imagine why wearing one in the United States may be taken at the very least as a political statement.

nope not one bit

denial aint just a river in Africa

[hank]

sigh

context always helps

(all pics from the same rallies)

I simply cant imagine why wearing one in the United States may be taken at the very least as a political statement.

nope not one bit

denial aint just a river in Africa

There is a latin phrase that explains the logical fallacy in what you (and others) are saying. Ad hoc ergo propter hoc. Check it out and see if its applicable to your post. I'll posit that it is.

hank

[sir-chimp]

I suggest you research the phrase yourself a little better there hank and you would already be aware that it does not apply.

The reason you have implied the phrase relates to my statement and the reason you misunderstand it I would put down to a lack of general reading comprehension and attempt at making a weak rebuttal sound stronger.


If you wish for me to break down my statement into simpler terms for you to understand all you have to do is ask hank.

[hank]

Ad hoc ergo propter hoc literally means that the if the presence of A requires the presence of B, the presence of B does not necessarily require the presence of A. Its called the difference between necessity and sufficiency and its a logical construct that has been applied for thousands of years. Your post violates it. Why you say?

Because the presence of one of these paisley scarves at a pro-PLO demonstration does not by corrolary mean that the presence of a paisley scarf necessarily indicates support of the PLO. Necessity v. sufficiency.

Hope that helps. Doubtful that it does.

hank

[eskachig]

Hollis, to me anyone who wears a Che Guevera shirt/pin/beltbuckle is a grade A fool because of the economic reason you mentioned above. Moreover it's never someone who's from the working class but some upset rebelious teenager/university student from middle or upper middle class, a class created by capitalism.Guevara himself was from a good family, so really it's not that much of a stretch.

This is my favorite Guevara shirt:
http://www.buysomethingawesome.com/t-shirts/kurt-guevara/prod_598.html

[sir-chimp]

Ad hoc ergo propter hoc literally means that the if the presence of A requires the presence of B, the presence of B does not necessarily require the presence of A. Its called the difference between necessity and sufficiency and its a logical construct that has been applied for thousands of years. Your post violates it. Why you say?

Because the presence of one of these paisley scarves at a pro-PLO demonstration does not by corrolary mean that the presence of a paisley scarf necessarily indicates support of the PLO. Necessity v. sufficiency.

Hope that helps. Doubtful that it does.

hank

Hank I suggest you stick to simpler things.


No where in my post did I indicate that the wearing of such clothing absolutely indicated such support.


I simply cant imagine why wearing one in the United States may be taken at the very least as a political statement.

reading comprehension again there hank

My post in the most simplest of terms for you hank is that there are many controversial symbols that are offensive to many people for different in context reasons. The use of this clothing in the fashion shown in the photos posted by me was a example of why some Americans may find the clothing offensive and a political symbol. Whether it was meant to be a symbol by Rachael Ray or not is up in the air. As was shown by other posters who posted pictures of service members wearing similar clothing it can have no political meaning at all. But to deny any possibility of it being a political statement at all is completely absurd.

[Flagg]

There is a latin phrase that explains the logical fallacy in what you (and others) are saying. Ad hoc ergo propter hoc. Check it out and see if its applicable to your post. I'll posit that it is.

hank

I'm with Hank and his tricky lawyer word talk.....this thread should be more about whether a scarf makes Rachel Ray's ass look fat rather than if she is a deep cover ninja for Hezbullah.......when did we time warp back to 50's McCarthyism?

[hank]

I'm with Hank and his tricky lawyer word talk.....this thread should be more about whether a scarf makes Rachel Ray's ass look fat rather than if she is a deep cover ninja for Hezbullah.......when did we time warp back to 50's McCarthyism?

Rachel doesn't need a scarf to make her ass look fat.

hank

[ronnieraygun]

But to deny any possibility of it being a political statement at all is completely absurd.

No, it's not. That's what everyone who isn't a complete numbnuts has been saying all along in this thread. She doesn't know the first thing about politics. People with her acumen do not go throwing it all away on some political cause, anyway. Now post those FHM pics of her ****s or get the **** out.

[Fintin]

Timothy McVeigh wore Levis and a white shirt..BAN THEM...anyone who wears them supports anarchy.

I hope someone understands the humor in that statement. I would venture that near 98% of Americans own a pair of Levis and a white shirt. Same would go for aviators and a gray hoodie. That doesnt mean wearing them shows support.

I would guess, that finding a similar scarf would not be hard in most middle eastern countries.

Maybe the example of American gang culture would work better? The red bandana in my back pocket does not mean I support the bloods. Last I checked, wearing a Oakland Raiders shirt was a sign of support to the team, yet is a symbol taken by gangs.

When I start my own military, we will only wear a sock on our ****...keep it simple

[Hollis]

Rachel doesn't need a scarf to make her ass look fat.

hank


I wonder what if it was Kaffiyeh style bikini, anyone would notice her wearing it or her fat ass?

or as in another conversation, a CSA Battle flag Bikini?


I quess a fat ass and donuts seem to go together. Does Dunkin want to portray a view that donuts causes fat asses?

[Buckeye67]

Rachel doesn't need a scarf to make her ass look fat.

hank

Not that it would be a bad thing if it did. p-)

[Flagg]

I wonder what if it was Kaffiyeh style bikini, anyone would notice her wearing it or her fat ass?

or as in another conversation, a CSA Battle flag Bikini?


I quess a fat ass and donuts seem to go together. Does Dunkin want to portray a view that donuts causes fat asses?

Donuts and bikinis go together like Michelle Malkin and attention whore-ing.

Me eating the donuts while watching bikinis that is.

Strangely enough.......for a country so good at frying and baking all kinds of tasy things......donuts are hard to find in New Zealand......I have no choice but to fly to Sydney INternational for Krispy Kreme and suburban Brisbane for Dunkin' Donuts......on a positive note, my wife says my ass is less fat since I'm eating far, far fewer donuts.

[IraGlacialis]

I quess a fat ass and donuts seem to go together. Does Dunkin want to portray a view that donuts causes fat asses?
So that's what the real anger is about.
People with fat asses were pissed off about being apparently stereotyped as donut munchers. But it would be too simple to have the ad taken down for that reason.
So they chose something that would be coveniently controversial (the kaffiyeh), pointed it out, riled some people up, and the ad gets taken down. Which allowed them to eat their donuts in peace.

[Hollis]

Maybe I don't care how fat my ass is, I will!!

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/Donut.jpg

[T3ngu]

Ok answer me this, can i get free donuts, thats all i want.

[Fintin]

Back in Detroit, most DD were owned by Arabs. A little food for thought.

Although none of them were wearing a kaffiyen. Although, they wore uniforms. Sometimes brown shirts.

[Kak]

Many Arabs all over the Middle East sometimes wear it like that, not just in Palestine.

Anyways, in America it's a fashion item these days worn by many people, they aren't hard to get, you don't need to go to some specialty anti-America shop as some in this thread have suggested, and I'm sure most people here who wear it don't know the first thing about the supposed "political statement" it makes.

http://gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/02/17.jpg

http://gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/02/14.jpg

John McCain's daughter

[vinny_121_ND]

silencing critics now with these photos.

[Mr.Flint]

Personally i got nothing against kaffiyeh in funky colors, or the camo green/tan ones,
but the black and white, and to a lesser extent the red and white ones ARE political symbols.
From my perspective to claim its a fashion thing is as bad as wearing a red scarf with a white circle and a swastika...

BTW if im not mistaken wasnt this forum in uproar because of some fashion show with fatigues and medals? double standarts?

again allow me to remind you of political symbolism
Iranian participants of an anti Israeli demo
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40959000/jpg/_40959294_menafp.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40959000/jpg/_40959286_boyafp.jpg

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w39/img.11283_t.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w39/img.11283.html&h=260&w=400&sz=15&hl=en&start=44&um=1&tbnid=jPCeErNDi1gr6M:&tbnh=81&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpalestinian%2Bscarf%26start%3D42%26ndsp%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

Special scarf, less traditional and with more symbolism, keeps the traditional pattern
http://jerusalem-gate.netfirms.com/store/nfoscomm/catalog/images/s02.jpg

Political symbolism again
Ricky Martin and Ronaldo given one, note the map of entire Israel on it, not just the "occupied" territories
http://sabbah.biz/mt/images/rickymartin.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41151000/jpg/_41151425_scarf_ap245.jpg

Photographers obviously try to enhance the symbolism of it, for whatever reasons
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/APPOD/personaluse2_8028347%7EA-Palestinian-Demonstrator-Holds-Rocks-in-His-Hands-Before-Hurling-Them-at-Israeli-Border-Police-Posters.jpg

SF USA
Those are obviously aware of its political symbolism too
http://z.about.com/d/islam/1/0/J/1/rally_kuffiyeh.jpg

The scarf again, as a political symbol again
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2047/r3691745020te4.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/5829/r2053193836yt6.jpg

I obviously can go on and on, but the fact is that it is a symbol.
For the naive or not so naive its a symbol of Pali "resistance" and "struggle" for "freedom", for Israelis and other sane people its a symbol of Pali terrorism, of Arafat, of Fatah and their actions.

And some people are just stupid, like that Prince that wore a nazi uniform.
At that moment your "intentions" or the lack of em, will have as much effect, as when you pulled off your pants in a packed bus and started spanking the monkey, while loudly explaining why are you doing that.

Honestly i am surprised, that there is no wide spread hipster fashion for nazi armbands, or scarves with nazi symbolics, i mean after all if you dont know the meaning it must be ok?:roll:

[angry cow]

I don't have photoshop but could someone please edit the background so it looks like she is proclaiming a lifetime intifada against decaf-coffee or something?

http://gothamist.com/attachments/nyc_arts_john/052808rachaelray.jpg

[Eztyga]

Not that it would be a bad thing if it did. p-)

giggity giggity giggity

[szr]

Dang ^


Hank, man, you've seen it in person- that thing for real??

Fake edit: Hank's going to say "nope. that's photoshopped. It's bigger in real life."

[Eztyga]

Dang ^

that's photoshopped.

Dur...

Ezy

[szr]

Dur...

Ezy
Cheers
Andreas

[Eztyga]

Cheers
Andreas

Your welcome. p-)

Bugger me sideways, cop a butchers at McCain's daughter. I have seen softer faces on the whores in Darlinghurst Road...:cantbeli:

Ezy

[hank]

Your welcome. p-)

Bugger me sideways, cop a butchers at McCain's daughter. I have seen softer faces on the whores in Darlinghurst Road...:cantbeli:

Ezy

That is so true. My Dad would say that McCain's wife and daughter look like 20 miles of bad road. I'd agree.

hank

[Beowulf]

Bugger me sideways, cop a butchers at McCain's daughter. I have seen softer faces on the whores in Darlinghurst Road...:cantbeli:

Ezy

so that means she's not attractive....or what?

Can I get a translation?

[Eztyga]

Can I get a translation?

Hard faced bitch.

Ezy

[RJMC]

next they will ban people whit beards?

[graureiter]

next they will ban people whit beards?

I hope not .

Or maybe NASCAR.
They use a piece of black and white cloth!

[Snoshi]

I don't have photoshop but could someone please edit the background so it looks like she is proclaiming a lifetime intifada against decaf-coffee or something?

http://gothamist.com/attachments/nyc_arts_john/052808rachaelray.jpg

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:jBxDjRb0ZL682M:http://bp2.blogger.com/_RdrjgkljFpU/R1Ov_4COVyI/AAAAAAAAAWc/QjbrUM6fVXg/s1600-R/bin%2BLaden.jpg

[Kaplanr]

Jihadaccino
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/Kaplanr/ray.jpg