Anti US/Israel cartoons

[fdt]

http://www.bendib.com/palestine/Arafat's-Bedroom.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/palestine/El-Quds-Whose.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/palestine/Occupied-Territory.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/palestine/Jews-ONLY.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/arabs/Democracy-Arab-US-style.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/arabs/Estee-Lauder-boycott.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/islam/SUV-vs-OPEC.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/militarism/Ugly-American.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/militarism/Of-smartypants-and-Oxymoro.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/militarism/Star-Wars-tests.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/militarism/Weapons-of-Mass-destruction.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/thirdworld/Secretary-Janitorial.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/thirdworld/Pax-Americana.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/thirdworld/Immigrantsquality-of-life.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/thirdworld/Good-Shepherd.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/democracy/Bad-Faith-Initiative.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/democracy/statue-of-tyranny.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/media/War-on-Error.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/media/Anti-Semantic.jpg

http://www.bendib.com/media/Media-monopoly.jpg

[Abbyy]

Nice cartoons :)

[sethen]

I wanted to say to other Americans, " This is how the rest of the world thinks of us, doesn't it matter to you that we are regarded as hypocrites and criminals?" No?, didn't think so!

[UoUo]

Nice anti jewish cartoon. woot ... :roll: and then me suprised why they Are so fill with hate.

[SeanAshi]

This is how the rest of the world thinks of us, doesn't it matter to you that we are regarded as hypocrites and criminals?" No?, didn't think so!Just ignore them like we usually do ;)

[W(M)D]

Nice anti jewish cartoon. woot ... :roll: and then me suprised why they Are so fill with hate.

It takes centuries of hard practise.

[Javehn]

Hehehe , funny :| :lol:
http://www.bendib.com/palestine/El-Quds-Whose.jpg

I guess i writter from a country where native Americans live in reserves , and has one big ass nation salad , can write it .... :)

"Hey , i am Mordehay from Hebron , i lived in the country for 2000 years until i was massacred un my own city at 1929 , and now all the world says that Hebron is not ours . I guess i was confused for the last 2000 years " ...

[fdt]

Nice anti jewish cartoon. woot ... :roll: and then me suprised why they Are so fill with hate.There is lots of hate involved in the Israel/Arabs conflict... Cartoons are usually a reflection of some existing views and emotions... including hate. Why are You surprised then? Didn't You really know that many (if not most) Arabs hates Israel?

[Javehn]

I didn't knew that Sharon is so fat :roll: :lol:

[stuntman]

I just love how everything is Americas or Isreals fault! The world has definetly missed it's crazy pills.

[W(M)D]

I didn't knew that Sharon is so fat :roll: :lol:

Too many shuwarmas from Tel Aviv central bus station I reckon LOL

[benny5405]

This is how the rest of the world thinks of us, doesn't it matter to you that we are regarded as hypocrites and criminals?" No?, didn't think so!Just ignore them like we usually do ;)

you are so shameless rofl


Hey ftd ! , u did a great job !! , nice post ... woot

[fdt]

This is how the rest of the world thinks of us, doesn't it matter to you that we are regarded as hypocrites and criminals?" No?, didn't think so!Just ignore them like we usually do ;)

you are so shameless rofl


Hey ftd ! , u did a great job !! , nice post ... wootThanx. Next time I'll seek for anti-chinese cartoons... and then anti french, anti-german, anti-russian, anti-arab... anti-puthereanyone. Everyone has someone to complain about... and cartoons are the most civilized way to express some hard to get truths and existing prejudices (that exist wherever we want them or not, wherever we find them fair or not)...

[Javehn]

The world is full of Anti-everything , dude .

Why don't you find something that is not anti . For once , let us see that human race is not all about hate and killing .

[fdt]

The world is full of Anti-everything , dude .

Why don't you find something that is not anti . For once , let us see that human race is not all about hate and killing .Good idea... I'll try, but I think that it will be a hard task... BTW mods will quickly move this to the offtopic... if smth is not conflicts or military related usually goes there ;) .

[Moledet]

Anymore antisemitic caricatures or you are done? Most of the Europeans haven't learnt a thing...They were antisemitic and stayed antisemitic, nothing changed.

[afrographX]

Anymore antisemitic caricatures or you are done? Most of the Europeans haven't learnt a thing...They were antisemitic and stayed antisemitic, nothing changed.

:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

if someone critizes israel you israelis always put up your all-you-are-antisemitic-shield. I myself have really nothing against jews, in fact i generally don't care of which ****ing religion someone is. but it seems that you can't differentiate between politics and religion. of course israeli politics is religious motivated but those who critize israel (especially those from europe) are differently motivated. their critic is of political, ethic or moral character. you claim it would be antisemitic because it makes it easier for you to run it down.

[Stavka]

Anymore antisemitic caricatures or you are done? Most of the Europeans haven't learnt a thing...They were antisemitic and stayed antisemitic, nothing changed.

I'm european, call me antisemite will you? Strange how whenever Israel is critiqued for something the critics are written off as anti-semite...
Try and think before posting **** like that. Most of us europeans here are just as quick to criticize palestinians as israelis.

Generalize all you like and write it all down to ww2 europe, but what was Nazi-germany doing to the jews of that time? Can you say "generalizing"?
:cantbeli:

[Moledet]

It's the first time in my 140 posts in this forum that I say that a post is anti semitic, many posters criticised Israel and I said nothing aboutt hem being anti semitic.
The myth about us pulling out the antisemitism card is just stupied. When there's antisemitism we will pull this card out, like in this thread.
Antisemitism is not about criticising Israel but it's about distroting facts, using Jewish stereotypes (large nose, black coat, black hat, etc...), comparing Jews to Nazis and judging Israel by other standard then any other nation.
At least three of the things that are written above were used in this thread for antisemitic propoganda.

P.S. You also pull out your own card, the card that says that we blame everyone for antisemitism. Instead of dealing with antisemitism you just ignore it and say "no, it's not true, that's not antisemitism, stop pulling this card out". That's why Europe is so full of antisemitism now, you ignored it until it blew up in your face and most of the countries still do nothing to stop this racism.

And BTW, most of Europe isn't antisemitic from WW2, it's antisemitic from Medieval time.

[Fargin]

"You're the real nazis, your kind generalizes most"

"No, you're the nazis, because your kind generalizes more"

I don't know about you guys, but I'm having a blast.

[Javehn]

Moledet , i am sorry to say that to you , but you are scoring a self gol to yourself and all of us . Please stop it .

[fdt]

It's the first time in my 140 posts in this forum that I say that a post is anti semitic, many posters criticised Israel and I said nothing aboutt hem being anti semitic.
The myth about us pulling out the antisemitism card is just stupied. When there's antisemitism we will pull this card out, like in this thread. [............]
And BTW, most of Europe isn't antisemitic from WW2, it's antisemitic from Medieval time. Myth for myth exchange... ?

Here is a transcript of the my discussion with Moledet on the cartoon picturing the Sharon as Statue of Liberty. Pls anyone, does it really suggests You that Bush held by Sharon in this drawing looks like bomb aimed at WTC? I must humbly admit that I havent thought of such connotation even for a second... :oops: For me it was rather a sort of pen...

Moledet wrote:

Since when this became the neo nazis/KKK forum? You do know that it's an antisemitic caricature, right? This myth of controling america isn't diffrent then the myth about killing babies for Matzot.

fdt wrote

Wrong. It's not anti-semitic, nazi or KKK carricature... it's a political one. The carricature is not calling for murdering Jews nor destruction of the Eretz. It deals not with the Jews as a nation or religion, it deals with US and Israeli politics and the role (or it's lack) of UN in resolving the Arab-Israeli conflict. As it is the usual and imminent method of the satire, it uses exaggeration. In this particular case it exaggerates the actual influence of Jewish diaspora on US policy (picturing it as a complete control what is not true as latest vote in Security Council on Rafah events showed). Do I really have to explain the satire basics every time I post a political satire cartoon?

Moledet wrote:

What about the part where you see Sharon holding Bush (who is in a shape of a missile) above the WTC like he gonna drop him, a hint to show that the Jews made the attack on WTC (antisemitic myth number 2). This caricature is antisemitic, period.

fdt wrote

This carricature was drawn before the WTC destruction. ESB, Chrysler and WTC (existing at time when the cartoon was drawn) are pictured here as a parts of NY landmark. It was supposed to be a reaction for the 28th March 2001 US veto to United Nations resolution calling for the deployment of unarmed monitors to the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

[Fargin]

I'll pick the thread up again:
http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040524/lester.gif
http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040528/parker.gif
http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040531/drybones.jpg

[Moledet]

It's the first time in my 140 posts in this forum that I say that a post is anti semitic, many posters criticised Israel and I said nothing aboutt hem being anti semitic.
The myth about us pulling out the antisemitism card is just stupied. When there's antisemitism we will pull this card out, like in this thread. [............]
And BTW, most of Europe isn't antisemitic from WW2, it's antisemitic from Medieval time. Myth for myth exchange... ?
I won't call it a myth, there are still churches in Europe where there are paintings of Jews making Maztot from babies blood.
There are paints from Medieval time that show the Jew as a creature with a crookedback and hornes, example: http://www.aihgs.com/images/Frankfurt.jpg
And now there are new caricatures that use a bit newer myths and stereotypes (large nose, black clothes) that were used in Nazi time.

Javenh, how do I score an own goal? You know exactly what Israelis think on them and how sick we are from their antisemitism and stereotypes. They think that this stereotypes are totaly ok, that they are totaly true and that it's respected criticism, it's time to tell them what we realy think instead of ignoring and waiting for better times.

[Javehn]

Javenh, how do I score an own goal? You know exactly what Israelis think on them and how sick we are from their antisemitism and stereotypes. They think that this stereotypes are totaly ok, that they are totaly true and that it's respected criticism, it's time to tell them what we realy think instead of ignoring and waiting for better times.

Dude , what's up with you ? Have you ever been in Europe ? How the hell can you say that every European has a stereotype of a jew with a long nose . Have you ever been in Amserdam ? You know how many jews , or Israelies are there ? Belgium , how many Israeli bussiness people in Antwerpen , in Diamond birge ? For crying out lowd , please stop . The only one that is stereotyping now is you .

בקיצור , תראה . אני מבין שדובר טוב לא יצא ממך , אבל קח את זה בקלות בבקשה . כמו שאמרתי , אתה מבקיע לנו גול עם כל האמרות שלך , והתקפות חזיתיות . ורוב האנשים שאתה קורא להם אנטישמים פה הם חברים בפורום הרבה יותר ממך , דנו בזה עד מוות כבר , זה לעט לעט נרגע , ועכשיו אתה מעלה את החרא למעלה .
בחייאת , לאט לאט יא אללה .
ותלמד ממנוIDFM203 , אם אתה רוצה לדעת איך להיות דובר פחות או יותר טוב , כך דוגמה מ.

[muede]

I wanted to say to other Americans, " This is how the rest of the world thinks of us, doesn't it matter to you that we are regarded as hypocrites and criminals?" No?, didn't think so!

Well said, and that goes for Israelis also. Things need to change.. :|
Cause these cartoons as of now reflect the reality and it isnt a pretty picture.

[Moledet]

Javenh, how do I score an own goal? You know exactly what Israelis think on them and how sick we are from their antisemitism and stereotypes. They think that this stereotypes are totaly ok, that they are totaly true and that it's respected criticism, it's time to tell them what we realy think instead of ignoring and waiting for better times.

Dude , what's up with you ? Have you ever been in Europe ? How the hell can you say that every European has a stereotype of a jew with a long nose . Have you ever been in Amserdam ? You know how many jews , or Israelies are there ? Belgium , how many Israeli bussiness people in Antwerpen , in Diamond birge ? For crying out lowd , please stop . The only one that is stereotyping now is you .

בקיצור , תראה . אני מבין שדובר טוב לא יצא ממך , אבל קח את זה בקלות בבקשה . כמו שאמרתי , אתה מבקיע לנו גול עם כל האמרות שלך , והתקפות חזיתיות . ורוב האנשים שאתה קורא להם אנטישמים פה הם חברים בפורום הרבה יותר ממך , דנו בזה עד מוות כבר , זה לעט לעט נרגע , ועכשיו אתה מעלה את החרא למעלה .
בחייאת , לאט לאט יא אללה .
ותלמד ממנוIDFM203 , אם אתה רוצה לדעת איך להיות דובר פחות או יותר טוב , כך דוגמה מ.
Yes, I've been in Europe (France and Finland), but visiting a place and living in it are two diffrent things.
Do you know how many people Israel send to European countries to protect the Jews and to gather intel. about attacks on Jews? Do you know how much money Israel invest to protect the Jews?
P.S. The business people in Antwerpen got threats from Europeans not long ago.
BTW, I wrote "most" and not "all" the Europeans.

אני דובר? אני לא מתיימר להיות דובר, אני אומר בדיוק את דעתי ואת האמת.
נו אז מה אם הם חברים בפורום הרבה יותר ממני? זה אומר שהדעות שלהם נכונות ושלי לא? אני מעלה נקודות נכונות, דברים שאתה יודע שישראלים חושבים עליהם.
למה לי לא להגיב לפרסום של תעמולה אנטישמית? למה לשתוק ולהגיד להם שזה בסדר או לצחוק על זה? אני רוצה לראות כמה אתה תצחק ברגע שמקרים כמו תלישת זקן של רב ברכבת התחתית יהיה מקרה של יום יום. היהודים שם מפוחדים מאוד והם סובלים שם אבל אין להם לאן ללכת בגלל שהם חושבים שבארץ גרוע יותר. לצה צריך לשתוק על דברים כאלה? למה לתת להם להתעלם מהאנטישמיות אצלהם? למה להגיד להם שזה בסדר זה שככה הם מציירים יהודי? למה להגיד להם שכל הסטריאוטיפים האלה הם נכונים? ברגע שאומרים להם את האמת גורמים להם לחשוב קצת שאולי זה באמת לא בסדר מה שקורה אצלם.

[Vance]

The world is full of Anti-everything , dude .

Why don't you find something that is not anti . For once , let us see that human race is not all about hate and killing .
OMG an Isreali talks of peace?? NOO WAAY DUUUDE

[Stavka]

What? Jews dont have big noses and black hats? OMFG, how are we supposed to recognize them so we can "get medieval on their asses" pulp-fiction style? [/IRONY] ;)

Of course there are stereotypes, its one of the main needed ingredients for any form of satire. Check any of the above posted pics.
Does Blair have ears that could fly him from London to Guam as portrayed above? No, but he has quite prominent ears...
Can George Bush say anything that isn't stupid? Of course he can, but he does make less thought out commentaries here and there which is of course, in any satire, taken to an extreme.
Do Arabs all have big, bushy black beards infested with lice and a generally evil attitude? No, of course not, but how are they portrayed above?

And as for antisemitism in europe, yes, europe has a pretty nasty history regarding jews. On the other hand, europe has been around longer and documented to a greater degree than Israel. Lets time-travel to the future and see what the historybooks then think of the Israel-Palestine conflict?

But europeans are getting fed up. After Israels spring offensive vs palestinian terrorists which cost alot of civilian casualties plus the assassination of Sheik Yassin, whereas the appropriateness of active assassination was questioned by the european community on an official level, the Simon-Wiesenthal centre publishes a study on the extensive anti-semitism in europe. Coincidence?

I'm not saying that what the Simon-Wiesenthal centre publishes should be disregarded as biased, but I treat any info from SW the same as I treat info from for example Amnesty International on the debate of capital punishment.

What Im trying to say is that an overly frequent use of terms such as anti-semite tend to dull the term. I've heard enough about the anti-semitism of europe to not care anymore. Whenever I see propaganda, be it from the left or right, nazis or international zionist conspiracy of dreidels or whatever, I get annoyed, but after hearing the rhetoric troll on and on and on, it loses its edge and ends up being counter-productive, totally contrary to what the intended end was.

[Javehn]

The world is full of Anti-everything , dude .

Why don't you find something that is not anti . For once , let us see that human race is not all about hate and killing .
OMG an Isreali talks of peace?? NOO WAAY DUUUDE

I fail to see the irony :roll:

Shows how little you people know about Israelies ... ;)

[fdt]

The world is full of Anti-everything , dude .

Why don't you find something that is not anti . For once , let us see that human race is not all about hate and killing .
OMG an Isreali talks of peace?? NOO WAAY DUUUDESpare yourself that silly sarcasm...

[Midav]

lol

Just laugh about the cartoons.

[big80a2]

IMHO I understand Israels/jews acusations of antisemisem, because we as Europeans have done a lot of wrongdoings towards Jews and somethimes we are trying to hide orselfs from the consucwenses of that history... And one of these consucwenses is that we have a lack of trustworthy in judging Israel/jews. And we have to carefull plan or critism of what ever Israel/jews do. Also we have to be patient with Israeli/jewish critisim of or critism. Because Jews where on the brink of anihalation they are ofcorse quite scary to live trhough it again, won't you be? And if we critisize them I can understand there fairsome reactions at times (maybe not placed or grounded) but the fair to live through it and they hasty and judging reactions are a part of the consucwenses of or one actions in the past. And the fear of jews to live through it again. Never again is Never again, for me for all europeans, jews, israeli's, and everybody else.
So to all europeans be a bit soft in countering these acusations.
If you now your clean then you are and keep it that way.

I'm not saying we can't critisize Israel/jews, But we carefully have to watch how we do that.

[big80a2]

Of course there are stereotypes, its one of the main needed ingredients for any form of satire. Check any of the above posted pics.
Does Blair have ears that could fly him from London to Guam as portrayed above? No, but he has quite prominent ears...
Can George Bush say anything that isn't stupid? Of course he can, but he does make less thought out commentaries here and there which is of course, in any satire, taken to an extreme.
Do Arabs all have big, bushy black beards infested with lice and a generally evil attitude? No, of course not, but how are they portrayed above?




yep thats true, but because of recent history I can imagine that the Jewish stereotype hurts jews more than for example a stereotype of a Dutchman

[Marmot1]

Why always when you criticize israeli politics, anti-semite card is drawn from a deck...? There is diference brtwen criticizing goverment for policy and hating jews. I personally have nothing against jews... I hang around with them, I drink with them and I don't feel that they are diferent.... Nazi germany categorized jews as untermenchen and as inferior race. There is diference...

I like to talk to Javehn, and I like this guy in overal.. of course we have complettly diferent view on israeli politic but that does not mean that I hate him. But ppl like you who draw an antisemitic card every time when someone use word israel or jew, no matter in what context it is used create a bad example for all jews.

[Stavka]

Why always when you criticize israeli politics, anti-semite card is drawn from a deck...? There is diference brtwen criticizing goverment for policy and hating jews. I personally have nothing against jews... I hang around with them, I drink with them and I don't feel that they are diferent.... Nazi germany categorized jews as untermenchen and as inferior race. There is diference...

I like to talk to Javehn, and I like this guy in overal.. of course we have complettly diferent view on israeli politic but that does not mean that I hate him. But ppl like you who draw an antisemitic card every time when someone use word israel or jew, no matter in what context it is used create a bad example for all jews.

Thank you Marmot, that was the most sensible thing posted today.

Thats one things you guys miss about Europe. Disagreeing with Israels goverment isn't the same thing as proposing to the UN that we reinstate gas-chambers.

[Marmot1]

Of course there are stereotypes, its one of the main needed ingredients for any form of satire. Check any of the above posted pics.
Does Blair have ears that could fly him from London to Guam as portrayed above? No, but he has quite prominent ears...
Can George Bush say anything that isn't stupid? Of course he can, but he does make less thought out commentaries here and there which is of course, in any satire, taken to an extreme.
Do Arabs all have big, bushy black beards infested with lice and a generally evil attitude? No, of course not, but how are they portrayed above?




yep thats true, but because of recent history I can imagine that the Jewish stereotype hurts jews more than for example a stereotype of a Dutchman

Everyone has a stereotype but when on every occasion when jewish stereotype is used there is accusation of antisemitism then it do not help to combat this stereotype it rather strenghten it...

[big80a2]

Of course there are stereotypes, its one of the main needed ingredients for any form of satire. Check any of the above posted pics.
Does Blair have ears that could fly him from London to Guam as portrayed above? No, but he has quite prominent ears...
Can George Bush say anything that isn't stupid? Of course he can, but he does make less thought out commentaries here and there which is of course, in any satire, taken to an extreme.
Do Arabs all have big, bushy black beards infested with lice and a generally evil attitude? No, of course not, but how are they portrayed above?




yep thats true, but because of recent history I can imagine that the Jewish stereotype hurts jews more than for example a stereotype of a Dutchman

Everyone has a stereotype but when on every occasion when jewish stereotype is used there is accusation of antisemitism then it do not help to combat this stereotype it rather strenghten it...

well I think you get what I mean, I'm not saying it is right to use this card, but I can understand it.

and the use of a lot of stereotyping can create hate.

[Mark_Aspen]

I'd accept the legitimacy of using the stereotypes if it was applied to everyone as the occasions arose; but I don't see a Finnish, Polish or French sterotype displayed in the European press very often.

I work much of the time in Europe with cooperative efforts in organized crime and smuggling; I have many stereotypes that could be used. On the other hand, its a pleasure working with the police forces around the continent, its both personal and professional.

I agree, we're too quick to draw the Anti-semitism card when its convenient, but too many of you, wheter American or European don't appreciate how extensive and institutional anti-semitism has been, primarily in Europe. It isn't always blatant like the Nazis.

[One?]

Hehehe , funny :| :lol:
http://www.bendib.com/palestine/El-Quds-Whose.jpg

I guess i writter from a country where native Americans live in reserves , and has one big ass nation salad , can write it .... :)

"Hey , i am Mordehay from Hebron , i lived in the country for 2000 years until i was massacred un my own city at 1929 , and now all the world says that Hebron is not ours . I guess i was confused for the last 2000 years " ...

those in deir yassin can say the same thing as the one in hebron ;)

[Vance]

The world is full of Anti-everything , dude .

Why don't you find something that is not anti . For once , let us see that human race is not all about hate and killing .
OMG an Isreali talks of peace?? NOO WAAY DUUUDE

I fail to see the irony :roll:

Shows how little you people know about Israelies ... ;)
Maybe not you. ;)

[S'13]

Hehehe , funny :| :lol:
http://www.bendib.com/palestine/El-Quds-Whose.jpg

I guess i writter from a country where native Americans live in reserves , and has one big ass nation salad , can write it .... :)

"Hey , i am Mordehay from Hebron , i lived in the country for 2000 years until i was massacred un my own city at 1929 , and now all the world says that Hebron is not ours . I guess i was confused for the last 2000 years " ...

those in deir yassin can say the same thing as the one in hebron ;)

No they can't... Deir Yassin wasn't a massacre. ;)

[RavenW]

Guys! What's the point to argue with people that know very limited about the conflict. Who are driven by their ideologies and pure hatred toward Jewish state, who are denying the fundumental right of Jew to live in his/her land as ANY OTHER nation, whose "ideas" are made from BBC correspondents and EU Tv brainwashing, who does NOT understand reality of the conflict or simply does NOT want to understand the reality... enjoying the simplisity of accusation "Jews stole the land"...

what do you expect from them? genuine understanding of difference between unbiased criticizm of state politics and anti-semitic remarks at its core e.g. denial of Jewish rights for the West Bank of Jordan river.

Do you really believe all those Europeans who just have nothing better to do than critisize the country that in its 50 years acomplished much more in terms of human rights and judicial law than all of them combined. Do they really search for truth?... :roll: Are they interested in true dialogue or fingerpointing? I said enough in my post "Israel and Palestine (The Conflict)".

And I bet I could justify Israel's case for every issue and point by now, BUT why waste time on someone who made up his/her mind...

Just ignore them, bite your lip and believe me sooner or later but G-d will punish those who oppose the State of Israel, not because of some kind of devine blessing from heaven, but because a true justice lies with Israel and her people, and the reality of the conflict is either obscured from the eyes of the bystander or this bystander carries a baggage of bias and prejudice toward Jewish state... or it is simple ignorance...

In any way, as Al Pacino says "Forget about it!"... just stick to your guns and send some Palestinian terrorist scum to hell where they belong.

[Geezah]

Anymore antisemitic caricatures or you are done? Most of the Europeans haven't learnt a thing...They were antisemitic and stayed antisemitic, nothing changed.

Hey, I'm from over there and I'm not anti-semitic, my Ol Mans a Spurs supporter! :P

[RavenW]

The bias starts with the word "occupation".

The word "disputed" territory must be used instead as both sides claim their historical right to the area, where both sides live right now, and both sides (Jews and Arabs) held control of the territory at some point.

The bias starts with the words "Palestinian refugees".

When the real words should be "Jewish and Arab refugees of war". Since both sides suffered horrible during Arab attack against State of Israel. Why all this humane EU activist do not talk about the plight of Jews in the Middle East? One of the most persecuted minority in the world?

The bias start with the words "Israel was created by UN".

THe word should be "Israel was created by the joint will of millions of Jews from all over the world. It took the will and hard work of millions of people driven together by passionate will to establish the state of their own".

UN only acknowledge the existence of the State of Israel. It recognized it. But Israel would exist with this recognition or not. The Jeiwsh state would be created no matter what ANY international organization or group would say. It takes a will of millions to make something like a new country, that became an economic and agricultural miracle of the world.

[AirZone]

Man, you are smart....
We have our minuss and plus like any other country in the world, but yeah we rock :D (well only becuase our chicks are the hottests! ;))

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Do you really believe all those Europeans who just have nothing better to do than critisize the country that in its 50 years acomplished much more in terms of human rights and judicial law than all of them combined.

Any examples of these achievements?

I'm not flaming you, I'm just curious.

[DixieDude]

Why can't we all just hate each other equally?

I know I hate everyone equally ;)

[RavenW]

RavenW wrote:


Do you really believe all those Europeans who just have nothing better to do than critisize the country that in its 50 years acomplished much more in terms of human rights and judicial law than all of them combined.


Any examples of these achievements?

I'm not flaming you, I'm just curious.


sure.

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I don't have time right now (busy at work), I will return to this post in next few days. And answer fully with the examples.

[RavenW]

I just returned from work and tell you, honestly, I just damned bored to spend my day trying to prove something to people, who I don't think even care about people living in the region.

So, I'll be sort...

Do you think such laws that France passed about Muslim scarf would be possible to imaging in America or Israel?

When I first time heard about it, it was unbelievable. I asked my French friends (and believe it or not I have some European friends): "What would French Supreme Court say?"..

you know what was a response? "we don't have one".

Now about Israel, what kind of country would put respect to the letter of law before its own safety and the existence (I mean virtual existence!!!) of its own people.
Yet only in Israel members of parliement may openly meet with heads of terrorist organizations that call for genocide and destruction of the state, and then continue their work in parliament. Only in Israel, member of parliament can make open call to the demographic change of the nation that would virtually destroy the country and still rule in its legislature body.

Only in Israel people could live in tents and makeshift houses, next to the villas and rich mansions... only because their owners left with a hope that when they return there would be no Jews around. And only those very Jews could survive in unimaginable conditions and respect the door locks (in some cases for 5-8 years) after the owners left saying "when we return, your throats will be cut open and we will dance on your bones"..

Only Israel's supreme court could give such unbelievable priority to the cases that involved terrorists and their family members, when in any other state (that has supreme courts, because some EU states don't have one at all) it would take month and sometimes years to get to the hear of the legal case.

Only Israel's court would issue unbelievable order to the army of the state to protect "enemy civilians", when majority of the state's armies care only about the safety of their troops and the safety of their own civilians. Rememebr, Bosnia? my European friends? And the conflicts in Greece and Balkans?

It was precisely, Jewish community of Palestine (region) that literally fed and clothed Palestinian Arabs... So let me get this straight. Jews worked hard, produced enough profit not only to themselves, but also to put local Arabs on virtual wellfare, and the majority of taxes that Palestine (region) had before Israel's creation came from Jewish society of Palestine. So, Arabs got on Jewish wellfare. Yes! You might never even heard about it. Arabs were not able to produce and keep their own society. And it is not surpising with only 15 % of males able to read and write. While Jewish community made home to one of the greatest minds of 20th century, including Jewish scientist, philosophers, agriculturists, engineers etc.

I'm very tired and bored to continue. Need some examples of European justice? For the majority of 50 years, Eastern Europe did not have any real justice at all living under communist dictatorship led by party. (and all justice decisions were made by party sosses).
And what about Western Europe? Well, lets look at Switzerland... it took enormous pressure from American Bank to force them to publish the list of Jews who gave them their money before WWII.

Red Cross (being one of the most anti-Semitic organizations on the planet) still refuse to include "Red Magen David" into its body on the basis "it would upset some of our Arab friends in Middle East". Also, this "human rights" organization ACTIVELY participated in Holocaust. And there are plenty of testifimonies about it.

I really don't want to think about it much longer, but believe me when Alan Hershowitz (leading Harvard Law professor) said that Israel has one of the best (if not the best) legal judicial system in the world that actually works. And that Israeli Supreme Court can be comparad only to the United States supreme Court in the level of proper process.

You know very little about this very little country, but the majority of what you know comes from the ideology driven journalist of European press, so there is no surprise that majority of Europeans have very distorted view of Jewish state. They simply don't know it. And most what they know comes from Palestinian Nazis - liers and pathological types of propagandists. Well... I hope that all this Arab brainwashing left some brains in the European mind.

anyway, after some serious thought I decided that there is no purpose oin trying to prove something to people, who made up their minds. Call me snobby, I am.

I just quit and don't give a damn what you think.

The most important, justice on Israel's side and after this horrible war will be over both Eruopeans and Arab world would be ashamed (again) of their behaviors and their blindness in the time of need.


And Jews? Well, Jews will always be Jews.


Hey, Jude! woot Shalom! :)

[RavenW]

P.S. Sources: Howard Sachar "history of Israel"
Alan Dershowitz "Case for Israel"
personal conversations with people (friends) from the region: Israeli (5), Lebanese (1), Syrian (1).

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/index.html



As noted in the fact about criticism of Israel, taking issue with Israeli policies is acceptable if you do so because you believe that a) Israel has the right to exist, and b) that changes will make Israel a better place. In fact, such criticism, by Israelis, can be found in the Israeli media every day. Criticism crosses the line, however, when it delegitimizes Israel and is intended to weaken rather than strengthen its institutions.



“Israel is the only state in the world today, and the Jews the only people in the world today, that are the object of a standing set of threats from governmental, religious, and terrorist bodies seeking their destruction. And what is most disturbing is the silence, the indiference, and sometimes even the indulgence, in the face of such genocidal anti-Semitism.”

— Canadian Minister of Justice and Attorney General Irwin Cotler35





MYTH

“Advocates for Israel try to silence critics by labeling them anti-Semitic.”

FACT

Criticizing Israel does not necessarily make someone anti-Semitic. The determining factor is the intent of the commentator. Legitimate critics accept Israel's right to exist, whereas anti-Semites do not. Anti-Semites use double standards when they criticize Israel, for example, denying Israelis the right to pursue their legitimate claims while encouraging the Palestinians to do so. Anti-Semites deny Israel the right to defend itself, and ignore Jewish victims, while blaming Israel for pursuing their murderers. Anti-Semites rarely, if ever, make positive statements about Israel. Anti-Semites describe Israelis using pejorative terms and hate-speech, suggesting, for example, that they are "racists" or "Nazis."

No campaign exists to prevent people from expressing negative opinions about Israeli policy. In fact, the most vociferous critics of Israel are Israelis themselves who use their freedom of speech to express their concerns every day. A glance at any Israeli newspaper will reveal a surfeit of articles questioning particular government policies. Anti-Semites, however, do not share Israelis' interest in improving the society; their goal is to delegitimize the state in the short-run, and destroy it in the long-run. There is nothing Israel could do to satisfy these critics.

[UkrainianAmerican]

RavenW sure knows how to lay the smackdown!
woot

[usa320]

Now let me ask one important question: Was there a need, or purpose for this thread, other than to spark a flame war and breed ignorant hate?

[ZeroPositive]

Man, you are smart....
We have our minuss and plus like any other country in the world, but yeah we rock :D (well only becuase our chicks are the hottests! ;))

Some of the Israeli women are damn fine but like all women in general the pretty ones are a pain to maintain.....

Funny cartoons I think I pissed myself laughing at some of them :)
Later JC

[Bulkowski]

http://www.bendib.com/media/War-on-Error.jpg
this just seems to resonate with me

[RavenW]

The problem as I see... while ERRORs happen in ANY armed conflict by ANY side. This is a nature of war.

TERROR happens on purpose.

There is one side that does it on purpose - Palestinians.
Those who target (intentionally) civilians should burn in hell.

And I think this is a precise problem, that some people don't understand the DIFFERENCE between unintentional errors when civilians do caught in armed conflict

And use of own civilians as human shields ON PURPOSE.
And targeting other side's civilians ON PURPOSE.

Which is preciesly what we call TERRORISM.

Terrorism - a deliberate/intentional act of violence that has civilians
as main target of attack.

and that's the kind of "people" we fight in Middle East...


:roll: but that's all right, after all we fought them in WWII as well.

[RavenW]

I could imagine myself being a tank commander that would be (unfortunately) responsible for deaths of Palestinian civilians.

But I could never imagine myself a Palestinian terrorist entering the house and murdering children and women in cold blood FOR ANY cause.

P.S. It is unfortunate that in our world there is necessety to explain such simple principles to grown men. Especially to men who grew up in countries responsible for many many many many civilian deaths through their "just" wars.

When it comes to Israel, all those Europeans happen to forget very quickly how many houses and civilian lives they had to ruin in order to achieve victory against Nazism... Double standard all the way. :roll: and it's sad. :(

[AirZone]

Heh, we need you and IDFM203 to be our spokesman, hella better than our current ones :roll:

Anyway, about Israel, you forgot to aid we dont only aid them before the country was established even today we give our water and electricity so they will have the basic living and we try to open allmost every road barrier so there will be trade and work for the palastines and some food from Israel and so on... but did some one in europe tells about that ? that Israel (mabye the only true one) really trying to help the palastines ? NO of course not, they tell about different goverment and organizations that gives to Arafat or to "Support Hamas Cuase" money...

And you know what Arafat did with his support money, instand invasting it for his people he bought more weapons and power and houses and welfare for his own pleasure not to montion his wife that lives like a real millionaire in europe, and i dont need to tell about the Hamas and other groups... of course they are getting money to aid the poor Palastines, by buying them food and education :roll: (how to use AK47 like a true mrytr and some dopes so they will be strong and powerfull mrytr that wont feel pain...healthy food) :roll:

This sharon... giving them food, water and electricity...he did WARCIMES for fuking sake. may be burn in hell :roll:



[Saracasm>j00]

[seruriermarshal]

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040601/asay.gif

[UkrainianAmerican]

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040601/asay.gif
Good cartoon! woot

[sethen]

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040601/asay.gif

Why are they Fighting? $$$, oil & Israel, thats all for eternity............

[Javehn]

And not necceserally in that order , meine fuhrer ... :|

[REMOV]

And not necceserally in that order, meine fuhrer ... :|In your opinion Israel should be at the first place? ;)

BTW - Fuehrer (Führer) is masculine, and a noun in German, so the phrase should looks in this way: "mein Fuehrer"

[Javehn]

And not necceserally in that order, meine fuhrer ... :|In your opinion Israel should be at the first place? ;)

BTW - Fuehrer (Führer) is masculine, and a noun in German, so the phrase should looks in this way: "mein Fuehrer"

Thanks for the correction . German was one language i didn't learned in school ...

And yes , if you have Israel , then you also have $$$ and oil ;) .

[ikurinturbiini]

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/040601/asay.gif
Good cartoon! woot

Yeah. And if you're a retard, you can even buy the message conveyed in that cartoon.

Excuse me while I vomit.

[REMOV]

And yes , if you have Israel , then you also have $$$ and oil ;) ....and lots of troubles? ;)

[Javehn]

and lots of Idishe Mazl und Idishe interlekten ...


And some of this : http://www.pbase.com/verti/telaviviparty ;)

[REMOV]

And some of this : http://www.pbase.com/verti/telaviviparty ;)Ekhm... not so convincing. You've got a bad taste, Javehn try a little harder ;)

[Javehn]

I have excellent taste in women and guns ;)

How bout this http://www.pbase.com/verti/telaviviparty2

[REMOV]

I have excellent taste in women and guns ;)
How bout this http://www.pbase.com/verti/telaviviparty2Well... nothing special, I'm afraid (naturally it's a matter of taste). Are there any beautiful women in Israel? ;)

[W(M)D]

........
How bout this http://www.pbase.com/verti/telaviviparty2

Now that is worth fighting for!

[Bootneck]

Try these - http://www.pbase.com/verti/aeilat&page=all



I have excellent taste in women and guns ;)
How bout this http://www.pbase.com/verti/telaviviparty2Well... nothing special, I'm afraid (naturally it's a matter of taste). Are there any beautiful women in Israel? ;)

[Javehn]

Infact , this is much better :) . Eilat is the city
Liked this picture
http://mishappa.image.pbase.com/u36/verti/large/19129512.P7051882_filtered.jpg

[Ichhabe]

First, that woman is über-hot... Wow...

But now for something compleatly diiferent. ikurinturbiini; why do you use that picture as an avatar? That is just so sick. Shame on you.

[AirZone]

Awww Israeli chicks... but thats tel-aviv, wanna be "kusiot" (hot girls)
in haifa we have the BEST :D

http://mishami.image.pbase.com/u45/verti/large/28978734.CRW_1290copy.jpg
http://mk31.image.pbase.com/u45/verti/large/28980999.CRW_1420copy.jpg


but that one is fine fine fineeeeeeeeeeeeeee *drools*
why im so young :|

[ikurinturbiini]

ikurinturbiini; why do you use that picture as an avatar? That is just so sick. Shame on you.

Why indeed! Let me tell you and everyone else why I chose that picture as my avatar.

I'm inspired by military matters, pictures of fighting men and their machines through the ages. That's easy to figure out; why else would I be here?

I also support the American war effort in Iraq and A-stan. I don't like some American politics, but I know that being European, my views don't matter. So I don't discuss American politics here.

However... The unfolding of events in Abu Ghraib and the broader picture behind those incidents has left me pretty disgusted. I don't suppose anyone took any notice but I sort of disappeared from the forums for a while. I just couldn't stomach the fact that US of A (whom ALL EUROPE SHOULD THANK ON THEIR KNEES for the sacrifices they have made to guarantee us economic and political freedom in the sad years of cold war) has allowed this to happen. One could say that the images brought back the memories that haunt any friend of the US: the memories of toppled regimes, death squads, support to psychotic dictators, assassinations - the works. All the nice little things that the commies used in their propaganda to tarnish USA in my youth. Good work, I must say. The Soviets could not have done it better.

This kind of Einsatzgruppe-activities are not what America is all about. But during times of war, **** happens. So, to remind myself (and others) of that grim reality behind the glossy surface, I chose as my avatar the smug grin of a sick **** in a uniform he is not fit to wear.

If there's a problem, I'm sure that the mods will let me know.

I find it hard to keep reading the forums anymore. I don't think I'm the only one. Maybe I'll leave and come back when/if the news get better.

[Sayeret]

Like RavenW said earlier a lot of the pro-Palestinians such as One you can't reason with even if you list facts since they will only believe what is in the Palelstinians' favor.

[bayul]

oh man Israeli chicks! sooo hot, that's why I can't wait to go back - it's hard to see lots of chutinis here if there are no beaches, and its cold 9 months a year!

[UkrainianAmerican]

Actually from the 2 links Javehn posted, I can spot no more then 3 sexy ones (and I dont mean hot, just sexy) :|
Did I read too much of Tom of Finland books? :(

[RavenW]

to ikurinturbiini



I'm inspired by military matters, pictures of fighting men and their machines through the ages. That's easy to figure out; why else would I be here?


And we glad to have you. We all share common interests on this forum.



I also support the American war effort in Iraq and A-stan. I don't like some American politics, ...


I don't like some politics of mine country either, particularly when it comes to the relationship with Arab governments that I view as enemies of my family and my friends.

I'm glad that you support our war effort in Iraq and Afghanistan.



...but I know that being European, my views don't matter. So I don't discuss American politics here.


This is very noble of you. But I think anyone has a right to discuss politics of any country. Unfortunately for some reson, most of the world prefer to concentrate on Israeli and American politics as there are no other countries left on this Planet to critisize.



However... The unfolding of events in Abu Ghraib and the broader picture behind those incidents has left me pretty disgusted.


Many Americans agree with you. i'm one of them.


I don't suppose anyone took any notice but I sort of disappeared from the forums for a while.

I'm shamed to admit, I did not notice your absence for which I'm sorry. :)


I just couldn't stomach the fact that US of A ... has allowed this to happen.

Man, I can agree, that is really bad what happened in that prison, BUt this is not the reason to refuse to visit our forum.

Now about your inside parantesis stuff...


(whom ALL EUROPE SHOULD THANK ON THEIR KNEES for the sacrifices they have made to guarantee us economic and political freedom in the sad years of cold war)



Well, maybe NOT on your knees, but you should be very grateful to Americans who could let you face USSR on your own, but supported you through ColdcWar.



One could say that the images brought back the memories that haunt any friend of the US: the memories of toppled regimes, death squads, support to psychotic dictators, assassinations - the works.

One might say that the images did not actually brought the memories of death squads and assasinations, but it was not pretty as ANY other world images of abuse.



All the nice little things that the commies used in their propaganda to tarnish USA in my youth. Good work, I must say. The Soviets could not have done it better.

Actually (believe me) Soviet could done it "better".
Such better that none even find names or photographs of those people.
Believe me I lived under their rule, they can make it real "better". Sych better that Abu Graib would look like a vacation paradise comparing to some of the technics used in KGB.



This kind of Einsatzgruppe-activities are not what America is all about.


Two points!

1st point: Do you think Einsatzgruppe-activities were those showned on those pictures and described in army reports?

I don't know who supposed to feel worse - Army abusers or Einsatzgruppe? probably the victims of Einsatzgruppe-activities, who saw a real torture... such torture that CIA would not dream off (like taking human skin while person is alive and awake).

Stuff that was showned so far, could happen right under your nose in the local European jail. You just don't know about it.

2nd point: You are absolutely right when you say... and I quote



Einsatzgruppe-activities are not what America is all about.



I agree. In fact, American is much much better place then you think.



But during times of war, **** happens.


Again, can't disagree with that.



So, to remind myself (and others) of that grim reality behind the glossy surface, I chose as my avatar the smug grin of a sick f*** in a uniform he is not fit to wear.


It's your right, but believe me when I tell you American epople would not forget.



If there's a problem, I'm sure that the mods will let me know.


I don't discuss mods here. They are the gatekeepers. The open and close doors on this forum ;)



I find it hard to keep reading the forums anymore. I don't think I'm the only one. Maybe I'll leave and come back when/if the news get better.


Man, at the end you started to sound a bit pesimistic. :)

Stay! Maybe it's not all that bad as you might think... maybe it's just a bad day for you ;)
I caught a note of dissatisfuction with personal life. :) Don't worry, be happy!

Everything going to be all right! :)

[Operation Ivy]

America Rules

[ikurinturbiini]

All the nice little things that the commies used in their propaganda to tarnish USA in my youth. Good work, I must say. The Soviets could not have done it better.

Actually (believe me) Soviet could done it "better".
Such better that none even find names or photographs of those people.
Believe me I lived under their rule, they can make it real "better". Sych better that Abu Graib would look like a vacation paradise comparing to some of the technics used in KGB.

OK, I meant that even the Soviets couldn't have done a better job making USA look bad.

I know all about USSR and KGB, and I would not dare make any kind of comparison between their activities and those of USA. Not in my life.

Enough hijacking of this thread. The nice thing about cartoons is that whether one agrees with them or not, there's always a grain of truth in them - unpleasant, sometimes. Ridicule is what the high and mighty fear the most.

[RavenW]

America Rules


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Man, this is the best post I have read so far in topic "Anti-American/anti-Israeli cartoons"!

She rules, indeed! p-)

[RavenW]

The nice thing about cartoons is that whether one agrees with them or not, there's always a grain of truth in them

and there's humour, too ;)

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/564_1086241169_pcs10.gif

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/564_1086241272_pcs11s.gif

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/564_1086241283_pcs2s.gif

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/564_1086241291_pcs4s.gif

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/564_1086241301_pcs6s.gif

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/564_1086241312_pcs7s.gif

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/564_1086241322_pcs8s.gif

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/564_1086241590_pcs9s.gif

for laughs... ;) :)

[fdt]

Oleg Schwarzburg is also author of this...

http://www.kahane.org/images/cartoons/Prison%27s_pigs.gif

[RavenW]

Yeah! :lol:

I believe it depicts former "prime-minister" of Palestinian Authority Abu Abbass releasing dangerous terrorists from Palestinian detention in order to make "space" for street hooligans.

Go, Oleg! :)

When will Palestinian Authority begin to take SERIOUS measures and would really gonna fight terorism?... hm who am I kidding, they are twin brothers of those HAMAS thugs. :(

[fdt]

Yeah! :lol:

I believe it depicts former "prime-minister" of Palestinian Authority Abu Abbass releasing dangerous terrorists from Palestinian detention in order to make "space" for street hooligans.


Any (english language) links to the newsfeed of this event?

[RavenW]

RavenW wrote:
Yeah!

I believe it depicts former "prime-minister" of Palestinian Authority Abu Abbass releasing dangerous terrorists from Palestinian detention in order to make "space" for street hooligans.


Any (english language) links to the newsfeed of this event?


and you believe such newsfeed would exist? :roll:

especially when "english speaking" journalists participate in HAMAS rallies and openly (grabbing microphone) yel: "Our goal is Jihad and complete liberation of Palestine! The correspondents of the worldare in the same trechnes with the people of Palestine! You have our complete support and solidarity!"

and the most funny thing (or sad) the guy don't even get to be fired from BBC stuff...

[Marmot1]

So you have monopol for truth and when someone have diferent opinion then you simply fire him...?

[S'13]

So you have monopol for truth and when someone have diferent opinion then you simply fire him...?


Usually journalists are paid to report the news in a balanced way, not to openly show support and solidarity towards terrorists... :|

[fdt]

Any (english language) links to the newsfeed of this event?

and you believe such newsfeed would exist? :roll:

especially when "english speaking" journalists participate in HAMAS rallies and openly (grabbing microphone) yel: "Our goal is Jihad and complete liberation of Palestine! The correspondents of the worldare in the same trechnes with the people of Palestine! You have our complete support and solidarity!"

and the most funny thing (or sad) the guy don't even get to be fired from BBC stuff...So other way... You tell me when it was and what were the infamous decisions...

[Operation Ivy]

America Rules


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Man, this is the best post I have read so far in topic "Anti-American/anti-Israeli cartoons"!

She rules, indeed! p-)

I only speak the truth ;)

[Sergei]

I know all about USSR and KGB, and I would not dare make any kind of comparison between their activities and those of USA. Not in my life.



A test quiz on KGB for our friend who claims he knows all about KGB.

What is the 9th Directorate of KGB was responsible for?

[ikurinturbiini]

I know all about USSR and KGB, and I would not dare make any kind of comparison between their activities and those of USA. Not in my life.



A test quiz on KGB for our friend who claims he knows all about KGB.

What is the 9th Directorate of KGB was responsible for?

I could say this:

"My best guess is that it is the Nitpick Department manned by pinheads such as yourself who have big problems with English grammar and sentence structure. What's the matter with you, boy?! Do you seriously think that I claim to know every single detail about the largest and the most sinister machinery of repression that ever existed, and the humongous totalitarian empire that spawned it? Even if I wanted to study their organization, methods and history 24 hours a day, seven days a week for the rest of my life, I would only be able to scratch the surface. The magnitude of the said entities and the sheer scale of their crimes make the task insurmountable. A CCCP buff or KGB aficionado might be able to gain a good working knowledge of the state and its agencies just by browsing the Internet. Alas, it's not my cup of tea. I don't have the faintest idea what the said Directorate used to deal with, nor do I care. I know Nazis were bad, didn't really matter if they were Sicherheitsdienst, Gestapo, SS, Sonderkommando, Totenkopfverbände or the friggin' National Socialist Harmonica Players' Association. Same for CCCP and KGB. For me, KGB represents the strong arm that terrorized the Russian people and other nations enslaved by the evil commie empire, period. The finer workings of the Soviet machine or terror are irrelevant. So no, mister, the answer is no. I do not know what the 9th Directorate of the KGB was responsible for, and I don't give a flying ****. Maybe they were responsible for making coffee. Maybe they specialized in foot massage. Maybe they were responsible for pulling out fingernails in Ljubjanka or erasing undesirable comrades from official photographs. Whatever. Nothing in that system would astonish me. But you go ahead and tell us. I know you're just bursting to show off your knowledge of commie trivia."

On the other hand, I could just say:

"I don't know. I meant to say that I know enough of the KGB and the USSR and their activities, and I would not dare make any kind of comparison between their activities and those of USA. Sorry if I didn't express myself clearly enough. I'll make sure to be more precise in the future. You can never be precise enough, you know, there are many idiots out there."

;)

[sethen]

and lots of Idishe Mazl und Idishe interlekten ...


And some of this : http://www.pbase.com/verti/telaviviparty ;)

These pictures make Israeli life seem almost peaceful and enjoyable. I wish it was like this in other Jewish controlled areas of the world. (The U.S. south)

[RavenW]

Структура КГБ СССР
февраль 1954 года - Решение Президиума ЦК КПСС от 8 февраля 1954 года о выделении органов госбезопасности из МВД
март 1954 года - Указ Президиума ВС СССР от 13 марта 1954 года об образовании КГБ при СМ СССР
Основные задачи КГБ при СМ СССР (1954 год):

"а) ведение разведывательной работы в капиталистических странах;

б) борьба со шпионской, диверсионной, террористической и иной подрывной деятельностью иностранных разведок внутри СССР;

в) борьба с вражеской деятельностью всякого рода антисоветских элементов внутри СССР;

г) контрразведывательная работа в Советской Армии и Военно-морском флоте;

д) организация шифровального и дешифровального дела в стране;

е) охрана руководителей партии и правительства"

КГБ при СМ СССР (март 1954 года):

1 Главное управление (разведка), 2 Главное управление (контрразведка), 3 Главное управление (военная контрразведка), 4 управление (антисоветское подполье, националистические формирования и враждебные элементы), 5 управление (контрразведка на особо важных государственных объектах), 6 управление (контрразведка на транспорте), 7 управление (наружное наблюдение), 8 Главное управление (криптография), 9 управление (охрана руководителей партии и правительства), 10 (Управление коменданта Московского Кремля), Управление кадров, Следственное управление, 1 спецотдел (контрразведка в атомной промышленности), 2 спецотдел (применение оперативной техники), 3 спецотдел (документов), 4 спецотдел (радиоконтрразведка), 5 спецотдел (изготовление оперативной техники), отдел "С" (правительственная связь), Учетно-архивный отдел (УАО), Тюремный отдел, Хозяйственное управление, Финансово-плановый отдел, Бухгалтерия, Мобилизационный отдел, Управление учебных заведений, Секретариат, Инспекция.

"Положение о КГБ при СМ СССР" утверждено Президиумом ЦК КПСС 23 декабря 1958 года и введено Постановлением СМ СССР от 23 декабря 1958 года. Функции КГБ:

"а) разведывательная работа в капиталистических странах;

б) борьба со шпионской, диверсионной, террористической и иной подрывной деятельностью;

в) борьба с враждебной деятельностью антисоветских и националистических элементов;

г) контрразведывательная работа в СА, ВМФ, ГВФ, в ПВ и войсках МВД;

д) контрразведывательная работа на специальных объектах, особо важных объектах промышленности и на транспорте;

е) охрана государственных границ;

ж) охрана руководителей партии и правительства;

з) организация и обеспечение правительственной связи;

и) организация радиоконтрразведывательной работы"

КГБ при СМ СССР (март 1960 года):

1 Главное управление, 2 Главное управление, 3 Управление, 7 Управление, 8 Главное управление, 9 Управление, Оперативно-техническое управление (ОТУ), Управление кадров, Следственный отдел, Учетно-архивный отдел (УАО), Главное управление пограничных войск (ГУПВ), Хозяйственное управление (ХОЗУ), Отдел правительственной связи (ОПС), Финансово-плановый отдел, Мобилизационный отдел, Секретариат, Группа при Председателе

КГБ при СМ СССР (декабрь 1967 года):

1 Главное управление, 2 Главное управление, 3 Управление, 5 Управление, 7 Управление, 8 Главное управление, 9 Управление, Оперативно-техническое управление (ОТУ), Управление кадров, Следственный отдел, 10 Отдел (учетно-архивный), 11 Отдел, 12 Отдел (слуховой контроль помещений и телефонов), Главное управление пограничных войск (ГУПВ), Хозяйственное управление (ХОЗУ), Отдел правительственной связи (ОПС), Финансово-плановый отдел, Мобилизационный отдел, Секретариат, Инспекция при Председателе, Группа консультантов при Председателе

Структура КГБ, данная Гордиевском:
ГЛАВКИ
Первое (разведка)
Второе (внутренняя безопасность и контрразведка)
Пограничные войска
Восьмое (связь и шифровальная служба)
УПРАВЛЕНИЯ
Третье (военная контрразведка)
Пятое (политическое, вопросы идеологии)
Шестое (экономическая контрразведка и промышленная безопасность)
Седьмое (наружное наблюдение)
Девятое управление (правительственная охрана)
Оперативно-техническое (ОТУ)
Пятнадцатое (охрана государственных объектов)
Шестнадцатое (радиоперехват и электронная разведка)
Строительство военных объектов
ОТДЕЛЫ И СЛУЖБЫ
Следственный отдел
Правительственная связь
Высшая школа КГБ
Шестой отдел (перехват и перлюстрация корреспонденции)
Двенадцатый отдел (прослушивание)
Структура Первого Главного Управления КГБ – внешней разведки (подробнее)
УПРАВЛЕНИЯ И СЛУЖБЫ
Управление Р (оперативное планирование и анализ)
Управление К (контрразведка)
Управление С (нелегалы)
Управление Т (научно-техническая разведка)
Управление разведовательной информации (анализ и оценка)
Управление РТ (операции на территории СССР)
Управление ОТ (оперативно-техническое)
Управление И (компьютерная служба)
Служба А (дезинформация, тайные операции)
Служба Р (радиосвязь)
Служба А Восьмого главного управления ПГУ КГБ (шифровальные службы)
Электронная разведка – направление РП
Председатели КГБ
Владимир Александрович Крючков (октябрь 1988 – август 1991)
Виктор Михайлович Чебриков (декабрь 1982 – октябрь 1988)
Виталий Васильевич Федорчук (май – декабрь 1982)
Юрий Владимирович Андропов (май 1967 – май 1982)


I'm well aware (unfortunately for my relatives) of methods that KGB used and the crimes for which KGB is responsible.

Second, I think it is immoral to compare mistreatment of prisoners in Abu Graib and KGB interogation on Lubianka street.

It's just uncomparable and offends the memory of KGB victims (some of them happen to be my close relatives)... that's all what I wanted to say.

[fdt]

Any (english language) links to the newsfeed of this event?

and you believe such newsfeed would exist? :roll:

especially when "english speaking" journalists participate in HAMAS rallies and openly (grabbing microphone) yel: "Our goal is Jihad and complete liberation of Palestine! The correspondents of the worldare in the same trechnes with the people of Palestine! You have our complete support and solidarity!"

and the most funny thing (or sad) the guy don't even get to be fired from BBC stuff...So other way... You tell me when it was and what were the infamous decisions...So will You answer my question?