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US Navy Diver
06-03-2008, 11:38 AM
I was wondering who else here has survived an event or situation that common sense would predict otherwise...
How has it impacted your life?

Here is my experience:

In 1988, I was on the USS Memphis (SSN-691). I was a Reactor Operator in the nuclear program, but I was also the ship’s Dive Division Leading Petty Officer. Most Squadron Eight submarine divers did not get a chance to dive, other than security swims in port and occasional proficiency dives. Our commanding officer saw things differently. He believed in utilizing all of his resources, all the time. If he believed there was a need to put divers in the water, in we went. As a result, I completed dive operations all over the world, including in the Arctic Circle off the Northern coast of Russia (USSR at the time, deep in the Cold War), the Bermuda Triangle, Andros Island in the Bahamas, St. Croix in the Virgin Islands, Bergen Norway, Naples Italy, Palau Sardinia, Toulon France, Plymouth England, Puerto Rico, Ft Lauderdale, Charleston, Norfolk, Annapolis Maryland, Groton Connecticut, as well as other locations I’m sure…

During a six month Mediterranean Run, we stopped at La Madelena, Sardinia for a six week refit. It was arranged for us divers to spend a few days completing routine dives with the submarine tender divers (real Navy divers, who dive day in and day out, as opposed to having dive responsibilities as a collateral duty, like me).
Up to this point, I had made numerous dives, some in very dangerous conditions. I had never been scared to complete a dive, although I did swim through a pack of open water barracuda (about 2 ½ to 4 feet long) 90 miles off the coast of Panama City, Florida, ran into a few sharks in the Bahamas and in open water in the Atlantic, and did a night dive in St Croix in shark infested waters (what you know is out there that you can’t see is more nerve racking than just confronting it face to face). There were also dives that were dangerous due to the scope of work and surrounding hazards. Not once, though, was I ever nervous or afraid to complete a dive. The first morning that Erin Wining and I were assigned to the tender divers, we were told that we would be completing a bottom survey out in the bay in La Mad. The bottom depth was 138 feet, and visibility was relatively poor, at about 10 feet. It was an overcast day, and the seas were a little choppy, but not bad. It was decided that me and one of the tender divers would do the bottom survey. For the first time ever, I was really uptight about completing a dive. I was not scared, but I was really uneasy. It was a feeling I had not experienced before, and I wasn’t sure why I felt that way. I did not discuss it with anyone. It really wouldn’t go over well with a bunch of divers to say you didn’t feel good about the upcoming dive. That would have brought on an onslaught of ridicule. “Regular” Navy Divers did not seem to have much regard for submarine Scuba Divers as it is. The depth of 138 feet did not bother me, as I had completed dives to 180 feet on scuba in the Bermuda Triangle, and to 120 feet off the coast of Panama City, Florida. I knew how my body reacted at those depths, and I had never experienced nitrogen narcosis. I was in amazing physical condition at that time in my life.

The tender divers had dropped a buoy the day before, so our plan was to descend to the bottom by following the buoy anchor line. We would then attach a rope to the buoy anchor with knots at 10’ increments. You pull the search rope taught to the first knot and do a complete 360 degree circle, searching the bottom as you go. You then let out more search rope, to the second knot, and do another search circle at 20 feet in diameter. You continue until complete, and then move the anchor buoy to a new location if doing a larger area.

Me and a tender diver checked our equipment and got ready for the dive. We were in wetsuits, double scuba tanks, and typical dive gear consisting of buoyancy compensators, US Diver regulator, depth gauge, mask, fins, and a very large dive knife. We did not use a tending line back to the surface, as we had a buoy anchor line to follow to the bottom. Following the same line back to the surface would bring us back to the dive barge. We both entered the water and started our descent. We descended at approximately one foot per second, so the total descent time was just over two minutes. At the bottom, the water was a greenish/brownish/yellowish murky color, with about ten foot visibility. Our dive plan was to not exceed a depth of 130 feet, and we were to swim at 130’ while viewing the bottom, which varied between 135 and 138 feet. The bottom was just brown, murky, silt with a flat contour, with the exception of an occasional large rock outcropping on the bottom. We quickly attached our search rope and stretched it taught to the first knot at 10’. To this point, I felt fine, and had not experienced any nitrogen narcosis or other effects. The feelings of foreboding while preparing for the dive had been forgotten. Once I was in the routine of donning my gear, and getting into the water, I forgot all about the uneasy feelings I had experienced.
The Dive Master had specifically stated that we were not to exceed 130’ for our bottom depth. As we began to swim our first search circle, I held my depth gauge in one hand to keep an eye on it. As we swam, I veered off course and struck the bottom. I checked my depth gauge and it read 135 feet. I returned to 130’ and continued to swim in the search circle and again veered off course towards the bottom, and struck the bottom. I stood up vertical and immediately felt dizzy, and everything went black from my peripheral vision. It was like looking into a black tunnel. The blackness closed from the outside in, and I realized that I was struggling to maintain consciousness. I have accomplished many difficult feats in my lifetime, but it took every bit of my concentration, and every ounce of effort I could muster to maintain a sense of consciousness. What was left of my vision, which I was holding onto by a thin thread, was blurry. I don’t know how much time had passed, but I noticed the tender diver come into view (I could only see directly in front of me, like a thin tunnel; everything else had gone black). I realized I was in serious trouble and I gave him the emergency signal: I flashed him a triple four (hold up four fingers three times in a row). This signal means you are in trouble and you need assistance getting to the surface. He made an ‘OK’ sign with his fingers and motioned for me to follow him. He took off for the surface, and expected me to follow him. My vision was still badly impaired, I was dizzy and disoriented, and I was starting to feel nauseous. I started swimming in the direction the tender diver had gone, but I could no longer tell which way was up, down, or sideways. I could barely make out his shape, disappearing rapidly in the limited visibility. I followed him as quickly as I could, but it didn’t take long before he was out of sight. I found myself in a murky environment nearly 130 feet underwater, on the very edge of consciousness, with tunnel vision, and feeling very disoriented and confused.
I was trying to think of how to get out of this situation, but nothing made sense to me. When looking around, I could see a bright spot, but I couldn’t remember what that meant (it was where the sun was shining on the surface, and that is where I wanted to go, but I couldn’t figure it out). I remembered that my exhaled bubbles would go up, and I decided to follow them. I did a fairly reasonable job of following my bubbles, but I was still on the verge of losing consciousness, very confused, and I was having a hard time swimming in any given direction. Through the haze of my thoughts, I remembered that I had a depth gauge. I started watching it in order to determine which way was up. The last depth I remember seeing on the gauge was 85’.

The next thing I knew, someone was shaking me by the shoulders. I opened my eyes and felt the burn of salt water. I realized that my dive mask was full of water. I pulled my mask out and exhaled through my nose and got rid of most of the water in my mask. Much better… I was feeling very nauseous, very confused, and I couldn’t figure out why it was so hard to move my legs. I looked down and saw that my legs were partially buried in the silt on the bottom. I was still trying to kick my legs to swim, but I was essentially partially buried. The other diver in front of me was screaming at me underwater, but I could not understand what he was saying. My head was absolutely pounding, and things started to go black again. I heard air flowing in a burst, and felt myself being propelled through the water. The tender diver had admitted air into my buoyancy compensator to bring me to the surface. Once again, I was barely conscious, but I remember him admitting air into my vest, and then releasing it as we neared the surface to keep our ascent controlled. We finally broke the surface, and I was still dazed and confused. I heard people yelling my name, but I couldn’t figure out where it was coming from. After a minute or two, my head started to clear a little, and I realized the people yelling at me were the crew on the dive barge behind me. I turned around and slowly swam back to the dive barge. Within minutes of being topside, all of my symptoms were gone, except for the worst headache I had ever had. My head was pounding and pounding. I could feel every heartbeat in my head like a sledge hammer blow. The Master Diver was asking me questions, and I was trying my hardest to understand him and answer. My ability to think clearly came back to me, as my headache slowly subsided. I realized that I had come very close to dying that day, and I will never forget the look on the Master Diver’s face as he was talking to me. I’m sure the look on my face was that of a man who had just had a near-death experience. The look on the Master Diver’s face was the look of a man whose 25+ year career had almost gone down in flames.

Careful research of the symptoms I had experienced indicated that I had suffered from hypercapnia. That is an elevated level of carbon dioxide in your bloodstream. Here is a definition and symptoms from a medical reference:

Hypercapnia is generally caused by hypoventilation, lung disease, or diminished consciousness. It may also be caused by exposure to environments containing abnormally high concentrations of carbon dioxide (usually due to volcanic or geothermal causes), or by rebreathing exhaled carbon dioxide.

Symptoms
Symptoms of early hypercapnia, where arterial carbon dioxide pressure, PaCO2, is elevated but not extremely so, include flushed skin, full pulse, extrasystoles (The symptoms of extrasystoles are familiar to anyone who has ever been startled and felt his or her heart had "skipped a beat." The extrasystole sometimes presents itself as one or two extra heartbeats. On other occasions, there will be a beat followed by a long silence, then a couple of quick beats. Some people experience a feeling of giddiness, shortness of breath, and weakness, with momentary feelings of blacking out. These symptoms, if they are prolonged (particularly if they are associated with loss of consciousness), usually indicate that a sustained arrhythmia is occurring, an experience that should be reported to a doctor), muscle twitches, hand flaps, reduced neural activity, and possibly a raised blood pressure. In severe hypercapnia (generally PaCO2 greater than 100 hPa or 75 mmHg), symptomatology progresses to disorientation, panic, hyperventilation, convulsions, unconsciousness, and eventually death.

Laboratory Values
Hypercapnia is generally defined as a blood gas carbon dioxide level over 45 mmHg. Since carbon dioxide is in equilibrium with bicarbonate in the blood, hypercapnia can also result in a high serum bicarbonate (HCO3-) concentration. Normal bicarbonate concentrations vary from 22 to 28 milligrams per deciliter.

Following this event, I learned that the tender diver received my emergency signal, but violated dive procedures by leaving me to my own devices. This signal requires you to assist the other diver, and maintain eye contact with the other diver all the way to the surface. He motioned for me to follow, and then he ascended all the way to the surface without noticing that I was no longer behind him. It took him a little over two minutes to ascend, during which time I was struggling to get to the surface. I made it to 85 feet before I lost consciousness and sank back to the bottom. Unfortunately, I was still attempting to swim subconsciously, and I swam away from our dive site while sinking back to the bottom. Once he informed the Master Diver of what had transpired, and the fact that I had not surfaced, they all knew they had a very serious situation on their hands. The Master Diver sent the tender diver back down for me immediately. It took him a couple more minutes to descend to the bottom, and another five minutes to find me approximately 150 feet from our intended bottom search location and buoy anchor. He then helped me to clear my mask, inflated my buoyancy compensator, and brought me to the surface. For some reason, he then left me in the water to my own devices again, although my mind was so foggy I did not recall where I was, and I could not figure out who was calling my name!

Unfortunately, I do not remember the names of any of the tender divers. My thoughts of my dive partner that day are bitter sweet. If he had followed proper procedures, he would have brought me to the surface at the onset of my symptoms and avoided most of the dangerous aspect of this dive. He failed to follow basic Navy Dive Protocol by abandoning me. But…. He did return to the bottom, find me, and get me to the surface, thus saving my life.

By all common logic, I should have been dead long before he returned to the bottom to find me. I am actually lucky that he was even able to find me. The visibility was poor, and I could have been in any direction, any distance away from our intended dive site. The fact that he found me, 140’ outside of his visible range is amazing. For me to be unconscious 138’ underwater for eight to ten minutes, on scuba, with a standard regulator in my mouth and survive is unheard of. You could propose this situation to any professional diver and ask them the chances of surviving and the answer would be 0%, across the board. There is not a professional diver on Earth who would evaluate this set of circumstances and predict a survival.

So why am I still here, among the living? The only reason is that I did not lose the regulator out of my mouth, even when unconscious for approximately ten minutes. The fact that my face mask was full of water makes this even more of a mystery. I don’t know if I hit the bottom face first, knocking my mask askew and allowing it to fill with water. I may have tried to pull it off in a subconscious effort. Who knows?? If I had tried to breath through my nose for even one breath, I have no doubt it would have caused me to choke and cough, expelling the regulator from my mouth. I would have surely drowned in that case. The fact that the regulator did not fall out of my mouth when I was unconscious is miraculous in itself. I AM A DEAD MAN WALKING.

I recently read the book called Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell. I have spoken about him and his experience in Afghanistan previously in my blog. I won’t go into those details again now, but he described in his book how he felt God’s presence on that fateful day. There is no reason for him to have survived, but he is absolutely sure God was with him. I believe the same occurred for me that day in the Mediterranean. I believe I survived the ‘unsurvivable’ through divine intervention.

Everyone has to confront the following question at some point in their lives:

“Does God exist?”

Basically, you get three options.
1. No, I don’t believe God exists.
2. Yes, I believe God exists, but I’m not going to follow Him.
3. Yes, I believe in God, and I give my life over to Him.

Technically, there is a fourth possibility, and that is for the undecided. I don’t really see that as a true fourth option, but more of a situation where someone is in a holding pattern until they choose one of the three options above.

I was wondering who else here has survived an event or situation that common sense would predict otherwise...
How has it impacted your life?

JD Anderson

BloodDiamondPants
06-03-2008, 11:45 AM
I experienced a situation where I saw "God", if you will, and any words I could put down would fall about 100yrds. from being able to convey it accurately. It wasn't good, bad, right, or wrong. It was not human, or even sentient as far as I could tell. It just "was" and it was bring you to your knees powerful. It lasted for way less than a second, but in that flicker of time, the veil (best way I can put it) peeled back.

In my opinion, it's not something that anyone can understand because I can't truely transmit the experience in words that wouldn't sound trite by comparison. As I just stated; it just was, and it made me feel very small, but very accepting. I'm sure my experience can be logically explained away by an expert, but that's irrelevant to me. Before this experience I was a steadfast atheist. Now I would probably describe myself, loosely, as Deist. (I.e. There is a "God" but it does not insert itself into human events; the life is a self administered test, if you will. You know, most of the founding fathers of the US were Deist btw)

However, all of the above is really of moot consequence. It was my own personal experience, and is of value only to me. I keep it for myself for the most part, and roll on; doing my best, the the best way I know how. What I do know, is that I'm not capable of really knowing. I don't feel the need to attend to religious constructs of man. My personal, private, relationship with my "God" is all that is required in my humble opinion. If I'm wrong about that, then I did my best, and so-be-it. If I'm right, then nothing I do will alter that for anyone else.

Evolv5
06-03-2008, 12:25 PM
However, all of the above is really of moot consequence. It was my own personal experience, and is of value only to me. I keep it for myself for the most part, and roll on; doing my best, the the best way I know how. What I do know, is that I'm not capable of really knowing. I don't feel the need to attend to religious constructs of man. My personal, private, relationship with my "God" is all that is required in my humble opinion. If I'm wrong about that, then I did my best, and so-be-it. If I'm right, then nothing I do will alter that for anyone else.

Amen to that! Really well put!

And to both of you guys, great reads, and thanks for sharing your experiences.

MoFo
06-03-2008, 01:49 PM
A goodread might I say, Im sure your more then glad.

Leaper
06-03-2008, 04:42 PM
My father told me of one of his some time ago.

Swedish Army

My fathers was the Officer in chagre at an Machine-gun range, the soldiers, NCOs, were fireing KSP 58s (FN MAG, M240s).
They were shooting at 200 meters at SAB targets, targets who fall down then you hit then, and rise again after some time. After a couple of hits the targets stay down, and have to be switched back on again by turning a key at the targets.
So when my father (lest call him Cpt.Leaper) was on his way back, after rising the targets up again, the officer secound in charge orderd the machinegunners to open fire, without even thinking of where the CPT where.

Fortunatley, there was some old moat in the middle of the range, and the CPT barely made it into the moat after hearing the 2nd in command order the shooters to open fire.

Sounds like fun to me! p-)

Leaper
06-03-2008, 04:56 PM
Got one who was pretty close, atleast if you ask me.

In 2006 I was on one of the Swedish Navys sailing ships, HMS Falken, and there was a small storm heading our way, so our NCOs told us to take every single sail down, ASAP. So I immidietly climed on of our masts to do the job, without taking on our safety equipment. :bash:

So there I was, in the middle of an friggin storm, taking down some f-n sail risking my life. But I dont whine about it. USMC style: U signed the mother f-n contract! :hug:

Closest i've comed. Lost my grip twice but had a rope ladder right behind my. Thanks for that god!

BloodDiamondPants
06-03-2008, 05:00 PM
Leaper, I think you're kind of missing the point here buddy. He wanted to perhaps hear your story, but mostly he wanted to find out how it affected your thoughts on God. This is supposed to be kinda "touchy-feely" with "mystic smoke" surrounding everything. You're servin' up near-death experiences like it was a McDonald Drive-thru window of "Holysh*t, that was a close one!" I know you mean well, but dig a little deeper, ok buddy?

Abolith
06-03-2008, 05:01 PM
the only thing that even comes close would be my sky diving incident. Was my first solo jump (with an instructor jumping with me) and everything went fine til I tried to deploy my chute. the drogue chute popped out and... no main deployment. at this point I started to panic and forgot what I was supposed to do. lucky for me the instructor waited for my chute to fully deploy before popping his own, so he glided over to me and deployed the rest of the main chute for me. everything else went fine after that, and I jumped two more times that day..

Leaper
06-03-2008, 05:14 PM
BloodDiamondPants (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=53249): You are absolutley right. I did say I would stay out of here at this time of the day...Im f-n stupid. Sorry!

US Navy Diver (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=46660): Sorry I screw the thread up. Mods delete?

DmitryC
06-03-2008, 06:01 PM
http://photos-557.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v57/202/90/15931557/n15931557_33323201_9415.jpg

After kissing a snipers round at an OP in Fallujah right before getting back on time to Camp Baharia to get the glass out of my face, eat Christmas chow and head out on another patrol

http://photos-557.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v57/202/90/15931557/n15931557_33323203_108.jpg

The ballistic glass that shoulda, coulda but didn't work.

Virus
06-03-2008, 11:11 PM
I probably can't write up a good a story as some of the ones written in here but, I'll share some of mine.


Besides just driving everyday down the streets of southeast Baghdad, I'd have to say one of the closest I've come was on a battalion operation. My platoon was tasked with blocking positions up and down a north and south running street. And at mine (the furthest south one) it was a 4-way. My job in this operation was a gunner on a m240b and to basically keep people/vehicles from entering or leaving the area. I was the first to engage AIF, I had PID on a combatant 2 intersections down from mine with a muzzle pointing around the corner, so just to start things out, some nice bursts to at least show them we meant business. The whole engagement lasted around 4 hours total, as there were at least 2 RPG teams out and about trying to lure us down the roads so they could engage us from safety(an apache ended up taking one out, coolest thing I've ever seen, 30mm going off about 50ft above your head). The day really went off about 2 hours in for me. My TC had moved our truck to the BP behind us to support them, as they were taking fire as well. And everything kind of went into a lull, no gun fire was going off anywhere. I was sitting in my turret, eyes glued southwards waiting for some guy to try and start something. As I looked to my right (We were responsible for 2 of the roads,) my TC who was looking in his right side rear mirror shouted, "VIRUS! THAT GUY!"(of course not my real name) and I looked right as the guy was going back around the corner. As I was standing up putting my 240 on that corner I was thinking, hrmm nothing went off, he didn't shoot. Maybe its nothing? Then bam, he is back around the corner, and a smoke cloud went up and around him. The next thing I know, I'm frozen in place as a RPG is coming right to the rear of my truck, I come to a second later shouting, "RPG!" to my truck. While I'm shooting towards the corner I'm hardly even aiming, as my eyes didn't leave the RPG round. It almost seemed to be coming in slow motion. But as if by the touch of god or poor quality Chinese make, the round at about 25m away went up into the air and exploded. Needless to say I was dumbstruck and continuing to fire.

Movieman
06-04-2008, 12:09 AM
Godspeed, Dmitry!

Curtis E. Bear
06-04-2008, 02:48 AM
long post is long.

Firefly26
06-04-2008, 08:38 AM
There are some damn good posts in here....

One of my friends was in Iraq in 2003, an Army interpreter, and it was a long story how they got there but they were in a really narrow street in a soft command humvee, surrounded by angry Iraqis. The interpreter was trying to communicate with them and they were just pissed, and they all just look to the left to see some guy come out of the crowd from an alley to the right and roll a grenade at them. Everyone saw it in slow motion as the grenade slowly rolled to the curb, over and to their vehicle, then it just stopped, and rolled back, and then became a dud. There were no armed combatants, nobody got shot and somehow they made it back to base without incident. They were all pretty shaken by it days later and couldn't talk about it. years later the interpreter found out that their church group had been praying for them the whole time.

Sorry for the undetailed second hand acount but it may be somewhat relevant.

godspeed to all of you.

GiladS
07-11-2008, 08:04 PM
Won't go too much into details but I'll mention two occasions which took place in the Gaza Strip.

During Operation Hot Winter, as we were nearing the outskirts of Jabalia we came under heavy fire which included AK-47s, PKs and RPGs. At one point after advancing and taking postion I heard a bang (recognized it as an RPG being fired) I immediately fell to the ground and heard a loud wooshing sound accompanied by a heating sensation on the back of my head and neck. Don't know how far the RPG flew over me but it was pretty damn close.

In another operation near Kahn Yunis we were out in an orchard during daylight. The guys on the other side spotted our location and started shelling us with mortars. Each exploding shell got nearer and indicated that they were improving their hits. Finally after five or six rounds that fell around our orchard a 60mm shell landed some 10 meters from me. Not within the kill radius according to the books I know, but with shrapnel to the neck I doubt that it would have mattered.

That shell happend to be a dud... me being the lucky bastard that I am.

SAPPEROIF
07-11-2008, 10:57 PM
Wow glad you are alive man. I definitely believe in God and that we have people wathing our backs in life and that things are meant fo a reason. Too may timeswhen I was in Iraq we wer minutes from running into an IED or had we not changed plans the place wher we were supposed to be at was hit hard with VBIED's and such. It's crazy the things that happen. They all are for reasons..you just never know why until later on down the road. Glad for those of you who have survived your incidents.