Syria says Israel should face nuclear checks

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Syria says Israel should face nuclear checks


Assad wants nuclear energy under Arab umbrella



DAMASCUS (Agencies)
Syria’s official press lashed out at the United States and Israel on Tuesday over claims it was building a secret nuclear reactor, and said the Jewish state’s own atomic facilities should be subject to international inspection.

U.N. nuclear watchdog chief Mohamed ElBaradei said on Monday that his inspectors would this month visit the site of the suspected reactor that was bombed by Israeli warplanes in September last year.


The Al-Kibar site was attacked after Israeli and U.S. intelligence concluded it was a partly constructed nuclear reactor built with North Korean help, but the Syrians have strongly denied the allegations.


“The American and Israeli claims are false. Instead, Israel should be called on to submit its own nuclear installations to international inspection so at least we know how many nuclear weapons it possesses,” Syria’s official Ath-Thawra newspaper said in an editorial.


Israel is widely believed to be the only nuclear armed power in the Middle East but has a policy of neither confirming nor denying its arsenal and is not a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.


On Monday, ElBaradei criticized Israel for attacking Al-Kibar before the International Atomic Energy Agency had a chance to inspect it, and the United States for waiting until April to pass on intelligence alleging that the reactor had a military purpose and was built with North Korea’s help.


Peaceful program

And in remarks published on Tuesday, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said Damascus is not seeking nuclear weapons but wants to have access to atomic energy for peaceful purposes through a collective Arab project.


“Acquiring nuclear energy for peaceful purposes is an international trend that all countries are rightfully pursuing. In Syria, we want this to be done within an Arab context, which was discussed and agreed during the Arab Summit in Riyadh,” he said during a visit to the United Arab Emirates.


Gulf Arabs have announced their own plans to develop nuclear energy for civilian purposes following a 2007 Arab summit that called on Arabs to develop atomic power.


The United States urged Syria to cooperate with U.N. inspectors during the June 22 to 24 visit, the first of its kind to Syria.


ElBaradei did not say whether Syria, which had not responded for months to IAEA requests for access, would allow U.N. investigators to examine the al-Kibar site in northeastern Syria.

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[Mu-Meson]

Jeez, didn't Assad listen to Jimmah Carter? He already told everyone Israel has over 300 warheads.

[seraosha]

It's saddening that Syria, a signatory of the NPT, refuses to honor it's commitments.
Especially in light of how long they took in admitting that anything had occurred.

Lets see....first it was nothing happened, then a dropped fuel tank...then dropped munitions in the middle of nowhere, then a supposed attack on empty warehouses, then an attack on empty long abandoned military buildings...did I miss any of the various cover stories and clumsy subterfuge that the bumbling Syrians attempted to pass off as their current version of reality?

Enforcement of signed treaties is something that we can all agree to, right? If you signed the treaty, you should be responsible for upholding it. But if a treaty was never signed...well, who can hold someone responsible for something they didn't sign?

[IDF_TANKER]

Syria says Israel should face nuclear checks
Israel says Syria should STFU.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

So when's Israel going to sign up for the NPT then?

[Mr.Flint]

So when's Israel going to sign up for the NPT then?
Ummm how about never? Why should it sign a pact that is never honored by anyone?

[Peris]

Israel says Syria should STFU.



are they free to use sign language? :)

[CPLHUNTER]

So when's Israel going to sign up for the NPT then?

Probably right after they comply w/ all the UN resolutions they have violated.

[Snoshi]

Probably right after they comply w/ all the UN resolutions they have violated.

Why should Israel comply with UN resolutions? You are mixing with UNSC resolutions

[Mr.Flint]

Probably right after they comply w/ all the UN resolutions they have violated.
You mean the NON BINDING ones? AFAIK UN = Compliance not required.

[CPLHUNTER]

Yes the violation count does include those related to the Sec Council...I don't see what the big deal is about the Israel alleged nukes.

Everyone knows they have them so why not disclose?

[Moledet]

Yes the violation count does include those related to the Sec Council...I don't see what the big deal is about the Israel alleged nukes.

Everyone knows they have them so why not disclose?
It's more annoying that way and we like to p*ss the Arabs off.

[Adux]

Is it fair no, do we care no. I rather Israel have nukes!!

[Lambert58]

Would this be the same Syria that just had their "sekret nuklear program" handed to them by an Israeli strike package?

Die. Liars.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Ummm how about never? Why should it sign a pact that is never honored by anyone?

Only four nations are not signatories: India, Israel, Pakistan and North Korea.

I see the Israelis are keeping some good company there :roll:

[Mr.Flint]

Only four nations are not signatories: India, Israel, Pakistan and North Korea.

I see the Israelis are keeping some good company there :roll:
Is there something wrong with India?
And North Korea did ratify the NPT, and withdrew only after violating it. they are the prime example of how worthless NPT is.:cantbeli:

Once again your high horse happens to be lame.rofl

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Is there something wrong with India?
And North Korea did ratify the NPT, and withdrew only after violating it. they are the prime example of how worthless NPT is.:cantbeli:

Once again your high horse happens to be lame.rofl

You missed the India and Pakistan mutual nuclear sabre rattling of a few years ago then :cantbeli:Sleepy guy aren't you? :roll:

[Mr.Flint]

You missed the India and Pakistan mutual nuclear sabre rattling of a few years ago then :cantbeli:Sleepy guy aren't you? :roll:
So, how is that relevant? Did they blow each other up in a nuclear clusterfcuk? Cant speak for Pakistan, (and not even gonna bother to)
But i dont need to remind you that India has another neighbor that has nukes and is a signatory of NPT, and that neighbor attacked them a few times...
So pardon me for not sharing your lame highhorsey sentiments in regards to how unsavory the company of India is...
And i strongly suggest that you check your eyes, might need glasses, since i cant see how could someone miss the fact that NK was a signatory of the NPT:roll:

[LRPV]

Hey STAB, you do realize Her Majesty had a role in actively assisting the alledged secret Israeli nuclear program? As a Subject of your Crown I'm sure you support her governence.

[PeterRJG]

Israel says to Syria: "Have free and fair elections, dismiss the Assad dictator dynasty, stop your hateful rhetoric, stop with the attempts to destabilize Lebanon, et al, stop trying to procure clandestine nuclear technology, stop being general rabble-rousing, sabre-rattling ****s, and we'll allow UN nuclear inspectors."

Syria's answer: "Too hard."

[Adux]

We are not signatories of NPT for the primary reason that it is a discriminatory regulation. We have not signed it, there havent benefited from whatever they give for signing it. I am sorry, nothing is going to stop us from being a nuclear weapons power, when somehow 5 countries have the divine right and others dont. Though I agree those who have signed the NPT has to abide it. We havent, therefore we dont have to. Especially when we have one of the sweetest P5 member China aiming nuclear missiles at us. Fvck NPT as far as we are concnered.

[Adux]

PS: We are one of the countries, though severaly disadvantaged by the Pakistan-China block, both resource wise and capability wise, because of their allaince, we are one who has NO FIRST USE POLICY. As long as the rest of the world have nuclear weapons, we will too. We have said we are ready to eradicate nuclear weapons if all of the world agrees to also. We are a DEMOCRATIC SECULAR AND MOREOVER A STUPID PASSIVE COUNTRY, our history of a low-weight like Pakistan jabbing and provoking us, is a proof of that.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Hey STAB, you do realize Her Majesty had a role in actively assisting the alledged secret Israeli nuclear program? As a Subject of your Crown I'm sure you support her governence.

Got a link for that? Since when was Her Maj a nuclear physicist?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

So, how is that relevant? Did they blow each other up in a nuclear clusterfcuk? Cant speak for Pakistan, (and not even gonna bother to)
But i dont need to remind you that India has another neighbor that has nukes and is a signatory of NPT, and that neighbor attacked them a few times...
So pardon me for not sharing your lame highhorsey sentiments in regards to how unsavory the company of India is...
And i strongly suggest that you check your eyes, might need glasses, since i cant see how could someone miss the fact that NK was a signatory of the NPT:roll:

Do try and keep up, North Korea withdrew from the NPT in 2003.:roll:

You still don't seem to be able to grasp that not signing up for the NPT makes Israel look bad.

From the Syrians point of view all they can see is the hypocrisy of a country (Israel) covertly developing WMD while occupying Syrian territory, refusing to join responsible members of the international community by joining in the NPT, and being continuously rewarded for its behaviour by the USA.

I don't know if Syria is really going down the nuclear route or not and neither do you (neither of us really have the intel) but when they look at the joint Israeli/American BS thats being spouted it would appear to be a perfectly logical strategy in their eyes. Maybe Israel and the USA need to get together to create the conditions where the Syrians don't feel a need to have what Israel has. The Israelis only have themselves to blame on this one - they kicked off the regional arms race by covertly developing nukes and the USA seems to be continually rewarding them for it. That's just plain dumb.:roll:

[Moledet]

a_very_ex_STAB, life ain't fair and I am happy it's that way.
They can continue looking for nuclear weapons and we will continue bombing them and the US will continue with the economical sanctions, this what works best for our interests.

P.S. the UK either provided Uranium or Plutonium, I can't remember.

[seraosha]

You still don't seem to be able to grasp that not signing up for the NPT makes Israel look bad.


Look bad?
I credited you with more depth than that.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

a_very_ex_STAB, life ain't fair and I am happy it's that way.
They can continue looking for nuclear weapons and we will continue bombing them and the US will continue with the economical sanctions, this what works best for our interests.

P.S. the UK either provided Uranium or Plutonium, I can't remember.

So what are you going to do when you start finding your planes can't get through any more? Like you say life ain't fair and I don't think your current technological edge is going to last forever against Syrians airforce and air defences. Somehow I don't think America's economic clout is going to back you up for ever either. They are not what they were.

As for the UK supplying plutonium I would be interested to see some links to credible sources on that.

If the UK gov did it then it was an incredibly stupid thing to do (which means that given the stupidity of the higher echelons of the British state it is certainly possible)

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Look bad?
I credited you with more depth than that.

Just trying to keep it brief :)

[Lov3ll]

About the sale of nuclear materials to Israel.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4789832.stm

[Moledet]

So what are you going to do when you start finding your planes can't get through any more? Like you say life ain't fair and I don't think your current technological edge is going to last forever against Syrians airforce and air defences. Somehow I don't think America's economic clout is going to back you up for ever either. They are not what they were.

Every air defense can be overcome. The day they'll have a proper air defense will probably be in the age of UCAVs.

[Calanen]

So what are you going to do when you start finding your planes can't get through any more?


60 years and counting they've gotten through OK. I'm putting my money on the Israelis.

[nu4idf]

Just trying to keep it brief :)

If you are trying to go for disproportionate force issue, when was the last time Britain didn't use all its available resources. When was the last time that Israel used nuclear weapons on there neighbor? When was the last time Israel past nuclear weapons to a terrorist organization? When was the last time Israel gave arms to a terrorist group(with the exception of the forced olso and bad peace treaties that gave weapons to the plo)?

If we had them its an insurance policy nothing more.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

About the sale of nuclear materials to Israel.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4789832.stm

It's interesting that the Ministers seem to have been kept out of the loop on that one. I find it hard to imagine Tony Benn allowing sales of nuclear materials to Israel if he had known about it.

I wonder how much money from Israel ended up in the offshore accounts of certain senior civil servants?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

If you are trying to go for disproportionate force issue, when was the last time Britain didn't use all its available resources. When was the last time that Israel used nuclear weapons on there neighbor? When was the last time Israel past nuclear weapons to a terrorist organization? When was the last time Israel gave arms to a terrorist group(with the exception of the forced olso and bad peace treaties that gave weapons to the plo)?

If we had them its an insurance policy nothing more.

I am sure the Syrians feel it is equally reasonable to have an insurance policy as well.

[-Church-]

Yes the violation count does include those related to the Sec Council...I don't see what the big deal is about the Israel alleged nukes.

Everyone knows they have them so why not disclose?

Well I believe the US is not to aid militarily a nation that possess nuclear weapons.

If they disclose they can bid those billions of dollars ****in adieu.

[Adux]

Is Israel being fair, NO. Is it in some kind of way justified by Syrians to ask the question, Yes they are. But do we care NO. Its using our laws against us, Israel is jewish single country not recongnized by Islamic world, which surrounds it and dwarfs it on land mass,economy and other resources. Yes, Israel needs the bomb, too bad Syrians dont have friends like the Israeli's. Maybe if they start saying Ummah Power and other yada yada, adopt secualrism and democracy, maybe Israel can drop her gaurd and so can her friends, maybe help the Syrians too.

Dont equate Syrians and Israeli's on the same pedestal. Israeli's get the special treatment for a variety of reasons, so tough.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Is Israel being fair, NO. Is it in some kind of way justified by Syrians to ask the question, Yes they are. But do we care NO. Its using our laws against us, Israel is jewish single country not recongnized by Islamic world, which surrounds it and dwarfs it on land mass,economy and other resources. Yes, Israel needs the bomb, too bad Syrians dont have friends like the Israeli's. Maybe if they start saying Ummah Power and other yada yada, adopt secualrism and democracy, maybe Israel can drop her gaurd and so can her friends, maybe help the Syrians too.

Dont equate Syrians and Israeli's on the same pedestal. Israeli's get the special treatment for a variety of reasons, so tough.

It always makes me smile with cynical amusement when these threads always start with 'moral outrage' etc from the Israeli lobby about some Syrian or other 'infraction' combined with attempts to seize the moral high ground and then when challenged end up with 'oh well might is right so there', 'life ain't fair', yadda yadda. So what happened to the moral high ground BS then? ;-)

[Adux]

Stab,

My personal view, I have not claimed any Moral highground. Syria and other middle eastern countries aspire for complete destruction of Israel, while it is not vice versa. So in that sense, I take their call for moral outrage, with a huge bag of SALT

And, Israel is non-signatory to NPT, therefore there is NO jurisdriction.

[Mr.Flint]

Do try and keep up, North Korea withdrew from the NPT in 2003.:roll:
So? Put on your glasses i wrote "was a signatory"
And it doesnt change the fact that they developed their program covertly while being signatories of the NPT


You still don't seem to be able to grasp that not signing up for the NPT makes Israel look bad.
Oh please, everything makes Israel look bad, thanks to uppity and hypocritical morons like you.
NPT has hardly anything to do... At least Israel is honest, about reasons for not signing the NPT unlike others...


From the Syrians point of view all they can see is the hypocrisy of a country (Israel) covertly developing WMD while occupying Syrian territory, refusing to join responsible members of the international community by joining in the NPT, and being continuously rewarded for its behaviour by the USA.
Who the fcuk cares about Syrian point of view? The people who wrote the book on hypocrisy? you know the ones that attacked Israel 3 times, the ones that developed a vast arsenal of chemical weaponry targeted at Israel? The ones who had a favorite past time of shelling Israeli communities? And what they got as punishment? a strongly worded letter? hah... so spare me that lame attempt of devils advocate... The Syrians, and you as well can go and choke themselves for all i care.



I don't know if Syria is really going down the nuclear route or not and neither do you (neither of us really have the intel) but when they look at the joint Israeli/American BS thats being spouted it would appear to be a perfectly logical strategy in their eyes. Maybe Israel and the USA need to get together to create the conditions where the Syrians don't feel a need to have what Israel has. The Israelis only have themselves to blame on this one - they kicked off the regional arms race by covertly developing nukes and the USA seems to be continually rewarding them for it. That's just plain dumb.:roll:
More blah about how its unfair?:roll:
still trying to be the devil's advocate? dont you fcuking understand that Israeli's weapons are a response to active arab hostility?

your lame high horse is apparently an ass...

[a_very_ex_STAB]

still trying to be the devil's advocate? dont you fcuking understand that Israeli's weapons are a response to active arab hostility?



Fixed it for you :)

Don't you understand that Arab hostility is due to European Jewish theft and colonization of Arab land?:roll:

[Mr.Flint]

Fixed it for you :)

Don't you understand that Arab hostility is due to European Jewish theft and colonization of Arab land?:roll:
Still trying to be a devil's advocate or its just your stung british pride?
Im mean both you and your beloved, trained, and supplied, Arabs got their asses handed back by a ragtag mob of people of whom most never even held a rifle in their life?

Must be hard to live with that... my condolences.:roll:

[LRPV]

Don't you understand that Arab hostility is due to European Jewish theft and colonization of Arab land?:roll:

Gee, I thought you poms stole and colonized the land.....Could have sworn imperial Britain was not run by Jews. Memo to self, self read more stab-type history books.

[Adux]

Fixed it for you :)

Don't you understand that Arab hostility is due to European Jewish theft and colonization of Arab land?:roll:

Theft!! really as far as I remember they gave good money, It is called jersualem for a reason, And jews pre-date Arabs in the middle east. So in a way, islam murdered, plundered, and eradicated jews from their own land.

[seraosha]

Guys, stab's pushing buttons...something he's exceedingly good at.

Just weigh the merit of his arguments; take the measure of the man.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

It's interesting that the Ministers seem to have been kept out of the loop on that one. I find it hard to imagine Tony Benn allowing sales of nuclear materials to Israel if he had known about it.

I wonder how much money from Israel ended up in the offshore accounts of certain senior civil servants?Tony Benn and MI6 were set against any technology transfer to Isreal but Wilson was surrounded by a pretty scummy bunch led by Joseph Kagan who seemed to have the best interests of another nation state at the heart of their plans.

[IDF_TANKER]

Tony Benn and MI6 were set against any technology transfer to Isreal but Wilson was surrounded by a pretty scummy bunch led by Joseph Kagan who seemed to have the best interests of another nation state at the heart of their plans.

Can you elaborate about the latter, please?

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Gee, I thought you poms stole and colonized the land.....Could have sworn imperial Britain was not run by Jews. Memo to self, self read more stab-type history books.

Just in case you slept through the last 60 years or so the British Empire gave it all back :roll:

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Tony Benn and MI6 were set against any technology transfer to Isreal but Wilson was surrounded by a pretty scummy bunch led by Joseph Kagan who seemed to have the best interests of another nation state at the heart of their plans.

Yup Harold Wilson was owned by Kagan. There's no way Britain would have officially supplied Israel with plutonium as the relevant Ministers would have blocked it. It was an 'under the counter' deal by Wilson that bypassed the official channels. Very seriously dodgy and very stupid indeed.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Guys, stab's pushing buttons...something he's exceedingly good at.

Just weigh the merit of his arguments; take the measure of the man.

Oh dear! You're just soooooo bitter and twisted. Close the curtains, lie down, relax and most of all keep taking the tablets:roll:

[seraosha]

Oh dear! You're just soooooo bitter and twisted. Close the curtains, lie down, relax and most of all keep taking the tablets:roll:

lol, nah man...take the compliment...you like pushing peoples buttons, and you are good at it. After that is acknowledged, your arguments usually boil down to "I'm playing devils advocate" and watching the pot stir.

I had a little brother, I know how it goes. Keep up the good work!woot

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Can you elaborate about the latter, please?Kagan was the point man for the wealthy Israel first group in UK he was also involved with some very corrrupt people who all happened to be Jewish but were probably more concerned with lining their pockets than helping either Israel or Britain, he was charged with theft and false accounting but fled to Israel he dropped his guard and was arrested in Paris.

[IDF_TANKER]

Kagan was the point man for the wealthy Israel first group in UK he was also invoveld with some very corrrupt people who all happened to be Jewish but were probably more concerned with lining their pockets than helping either Israel or Britain, he was charged with theft and false accounting but fled to Israel he dropped his guard and was arrested in Paris.
Thank you.

[Calanen]

Guys, stab's pushing buttons...something he's exceedingly good at.



Not that good. But he gets points for persistence.

[LEB101]

there just trying to cover up there little secret plant

[The Balkan]

Wtf of course they should be inspected. Everyone with that kind of desctructive power should be checked on. Israel isn't anymore above the law then Pakistan or Iran or whoever else has or wants nukes.

[Atlantic Friend]

For intellectual curiosity's sake, what would be a compelling argument for saying Israel should NOT be submitted to nuclear checks ?

[Moledet]

For intellectual curiosity's sake, what would be a compelling argument for saying Israel should NOT be submitted to nuclear checks ?
There were nuclear checks done by the US in the 60s while the reactor was being built, the scientists concluded, "there's no reason to build such a large reactor for research but there's no proof it's for military use".