Kerry 'Flips Off' Vietnam Vet

[budanski]

Kerry 'Flips Off' Vietnam Vet
NewsMax (http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/31/225546.shtml)

Democratic senator - and certain presidential nominee - John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning, NewsMax.com has learned.

Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, "Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."

At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt.

Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam."

Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, "Sampley is a felon!"

Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Sen. John McCain's chief aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose.

Sampley's group, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, has garnered huge national attention and has been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post and on MSNBC's "Scarborough Country." Tens of thousands of Vietnam vets have registered their opposition to Kerry through Sampley's group.

Clearly Sampley has gotten under Kerry's skin once again.

[fred_engles]

Umm...he [Sampley] was being confrontational jackass for a publicity stunt. I don't see what the problem is.

[Trigger]

He's just bringing balance to the situation: Kerry's a jackass for life.

[budanski]

I believe its a little more than that...

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/image003.jpg

John Kerry's photograph is featured in the War Protestors Hall of the War Remnants Museum in Ho Chi Minh City -- a clear indication of the value the Vietnamese communists place on Kerry's support (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545) of their efforts during the Vietnam War.

[Secret Squirrel]

LOL newsmax strikes again! Do people really believe anything thats "reported on newsmax"? I wonder when they'll do a story about investigations into their own "editing"/legal problems? Carl Limbacher, the journalist, if you can call him that, also appears on shows like www.rense.com which deals partly with aliens and things that go bump in the night. Thanks for the laugh. woot

[budanski]

Jason Blair's reporting for the New York Times more credible? :roll:

[JiJoMacLE45]

Jason Blair's reporting for the New York Times more credible?

Oooohhhh snap son, Budanski done did it again homey!

[Secret Squirrel]

Jason Blair's reporting for the New York Times more credible? :roll:

Any news media is either slightly or significantly more credible than newsmax. Just have a little look into their history. If newsmax was a newspaper it would be on the shelves next to papers with articles such as "500 pound cat gives birth to human baby girl!" rofl

[Trigger]

Secret Nutcase wrote:

LOL newsmax strikes again! Do people really believe anything thats "reported on newsmax"?

When you can't attack the message...attack the messenger. rofl

[shrek]

PLEASE, some of you need to stop, think about the source, and then stop dissapointing me by believing that nay of this is true!!

[Secret Squirrel]

Secret Nutcase wrote:

LOL newsmax strikes again! Do people really believe anything thats "reported on newsmax"?

When you can't attack the message...attack the messenger. rofl

Internet Hoaxes and Urban Legends
By Jolene Johnson
The other day I received another one of those emails that gets circulated around the Internet. You've seen them - they've been forwarded through about twenty people before they reach a friend who sends them on to you. Most of the time they contain an amusing story, joke, or inspirational poem.

This one was a little different. It started out explaining that the Gold Star Mothers is an organization of women who've lost sons in military action. Then it goes on to state, "Recently a delegation of New York State Gold Star Mothers made a trip to Washington, DC to discuss various concerns with their elected representatives. According to NewsMax.com there was only one politician in DC who refused to meet with these ladies. Can you guess which politician that might be?...."

It continues, "None other than the Queen herself, Hillary Clinton. She refused repeated requests to meet with the Gold Star Mothers..." It concludes by urging everyone to "forward this to as many people as you can..."

Curious about this, I went to NewsMax.com, which was cited as a reference in this email. There really was a news story stating this incident as fact. But somehow it just didn't sound right. So I decided to check out the web site for the Gold Star Moms. Right on the front page of their site is the following disclaimer: "With regard to the NewsMax article concerning our organization, the American Gold Star Mothers, Inc., deeply regret the misunderstanding about Senator Hillary Clinton. The two mothers who visited Washington did not have an appointment with the Senator and she was not in her office on that day. We would appreciate it if the e-mails and negative comments about Senator Clinton would cease."

This type of email that gets circulated around cyberspace is known as an "urban legend" or "hoax." They range from promises that Bill Gates will send you $150.00 just for forwarding an email, to virus hoaxes. One thing most have in common is the request to "forward this email to all your friends," thus perpetuating the rumor and cluttering up other people's email boxes.
http://oursenioryears.com/legends.html

And theres hundreds of these stories about newsmax floating around, including certain legal problems over editing legal briefs.

[scm77]

Hanoi John t-shirt. :lol:

[Trigger]

Hanoi John t-shirt. :lol:
Yeah, I thought they only made toilet paper rofl

[Secret Squirrel]

Incase you want a recent example; March 2nd, 2004 AP story on a Senate gun bill.

Here’s the original AP version of the story:

Senate Republicans Scuttle Gun Bill

By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans scuttled their election-year gun legislation Tuesday after Democrats succeeded in winning approval of amendments to extend an assault weapons ban and require background checks on all buyers at private gun shows.

Here’s how NewsMax posted the story:

Senate Republicans Scuttle Tainted Gun Bill

NewsMax.com Wires

Tuesday, Mar. 2, 2004

WASHINGTON – Senate Republicans scuttled an election-year bill to immunize the gun industry from lawsuits Tuesday after Democrats amended it to extend a ban on what they call "assault weapons" and require background checks on all buyers at private gun shows.

NewsMax completely changed the meaning of the story by rearranging the order and adding things such as the phrase “what they call ‘assault weapons.’” Although they did thoughtfully leave the AP copyright in place, including the warning that no one was allowed to "rewrite" the copyrighted story.

[henksmoeder]

He doesn't belong there?? Kerry fought in the same war and shed the same blood. Being a anti-war protester isn't treason. Kerry saw the horros of war and he wants to avoid too much american blood. Why is this guy not a hero? Shedding as less blood as possible should 'cool' instead of carpetbombing.

[California Joe]

Dude was being obnoxious as hell. Maybe he needs a job instead of jerking off to Barbarella. Kerry should have challenged him to a Lights Out Texas Death Match, in a cage. That woulda been sweet.

[budanski]

Secret Squirrel:

Depends on who you believe...
Pew: Five Times More Journalists Are Liberal Than Conservative (http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040524.asp)


Liberal media? I'm shocked!
USNEWS (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/040607/opinion/7john.htm)
John Leo

A new survey by the Pew Research Center says journalists have political and ideological leanings more liberal than those of the general public. Or, as a sensible headline might have put it: "Researchers ferret out the obvious yet again." One amused blogger wrote: "In other news, a second Pew study shows that the Earth is round and that the government's habit of taxing its citizens is likely to continue."

Pew reports that just 7 percent of journalists and news executives call themselves conservative, compared with 33 percent of the general public. The self-identified liberals (34 percent) are five times as common as conservatives in the news business. As you might imagine, this got very little play in the mainstream media. Howard Kurtz did a good job with it at the Washington Post. But that was about it. Those who did report or comment on the survey tended to play up the large number of news people (54 percent) who call themselves moderate. Why is it such a big deal to have a newsroom that's only a third liberal? asked Eric Alterman, author of What Liberal Media?

I would say that the big deal is that media workers are becoming more liberal at a fairly rapid pace--up from 22 percent nine years ago to 34 percent now, according to Pew. It would be a bigger deal if the hiring of liberals reached the point (as it has in the academic world) where conservatives don't bother to apply for jobs.

Immoderate. In addition, there is debate over what "moderate" means in the survey. My experience is that liberal journalists tend to think of themselves as representing the mainstream, so in these self-identification polls, "moderate" usually translates to "liberal." On the few social questions asked in the survey, most of the moderates sounded fairly liberal. Asked whether homo******ity should be approved of by society, 88 percent of journalists agreed, compared with only 51 percent of Americans.

Some 82 percent of the journalists were able to list a news organization that was "especially conservative" (most named Fox News), but an amazing 62 percent could not name any news organization that struck them as "especially liberal." Good grief. Even 60 percent of the Homer Simpson family could probably figure out that the New York Times or National Public Radio qualify as liberal.

In response to the survey, some argue that personal social and political views make no difference if a reporter plays the story straight. Well, yes. But nearly half of those polled told Pew that journalists too often let their ideological views color their work. This is a devastating admission, something like an umpire's union reporting that half its membership likes to favor the home team. Even apart from loaded reporting, the selection and framing of news stories have a way of reflecting the opinions of editors. That's why the steady march toward a more liberal newsroom is so puzzling. The news media have to cope with a declining readership and viewership and intense scrutiny of their wayward practices by right-wing outlets and relentlessly critical bloggers. Yet the mainstream media have only those few in-house conservatives who might warn their bosses when news reports are skewing left.

Why does the news business keep hiring more and more people who disagree sharply with the customers, many of whom are already stampeding out the door for a variety of reasons? One explanation is that national journalism is now an elite profession, staffed by people--black and white, female and male--who went to elite colleges and who share the conventional social views of their class. This was not true a generation ago. When I was at the New York Times, the leadership was full of peo-ple who had gone to the wrong schools and fought their way up with brains and talent. Two desks away from mine was McCandlish Phillips, a born-again Christian who read the Bible during every break, no matter how brief. Phillips was a legendary reporter, rightly treated with awe by the staff, but I doubt he would be hired by most news organizations today. He prayed a lot and had no college degree.

The news business is deeply concerned--I would say obsessed--with diversity, but it has a narrow and cramped view of the word, rarely applying it to background and social attitudes. Tom Rosenstiel, director of the Pew survey, said the fact that "conservatives are not very well represented" is having an effect. He added: "This is something journalists should worry about. Maybe diversity in the newsroom needs to mean more than ethnic and gender diversity." Do tell. A great many thick skulls still must be penetrated by this idea. But eventually it will get through.

[chauncy republicans]

He doesn't belong there?? Kerry fought in the same war and shed the same blood. Being a anti-war protester isn't treason. Kerry saw the horros of war and he wants to avoid too much american blood. Why is this guy not a hero? Shedding as less blood as possible should 'cool' instead of carpetbombing.
Well you see, some of the forum members here have no idea what combat is like. So they still are under the impression that war is cool.
Others, seem to forget we live in a democracy (budanski) and that protesting is a birth-right we as Americans have, why claim to support our troops if you dont even support the freedom they supposedly defend? :cantbeli:
After all...I think Kerry earned the right to criticize the war (vietnam) and veterans of that war...he was there after all. Bush was'nt even in Vietnam, (he had other priorities :roll: ) but yet he feels he has the right to criticize veterans of that war for protesting it!??!?


BTW I think it's funny as hell when the neo-conservatives try and attack Kerry...like that matters to someone who will never vote "democrat",
it's not only the left who dislikes Bush, but also many level headed conservatives.

[Secret Squirrel]

Dude was being obnoxious as hell. Maybe he needs a job instead of jerking off to Barbarella. Kerry should have challenged him to a Lights Out Texas Death Match, in a cage. That woulda been sweet.

I'm more inclined to believe that it never happened. I mean honestly, how many news cameras and whatnot would have been there when Kerry was there? Surely someone else would have picked up this story?

[ibstolidude]

Dude was being obnoxious as hell. Maybe he needs a job instead of jerking off to Barbarella. Kerry should have challenged him to a Lights Out Texas Death Match, in a cage. That woulda been sweet.on motorbikes, w/chainsaws.

[Secret Squirrel]

[quote="budanski"]Secret Squirrel:

Depends on who you believe...
Pew: Five Times More Journalists Are Liberal Than Conservative (http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040524.asp)

Just so we're clear, I dont believe anything that comes from newsmax unless it can be vertified by a credible source. Newsmax has too much of a shady past for me to believe any word they write/edit. I can post more stories about how newsmax has ****ed up, by i think the previous two will suffice. Asking newsmax's opinion on Kerry is like asking Hitler's opinion of Jews...both will get you an answer but you'd be a fool to believe it.

[chauncy republicans]

[quote=budanski]Secret Squirrel:

Depends on who you believe...
Pew: Five Times More Journalists Are Liberal Than Conservative (http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040524.asp)

Just so we're clear, I dont believe anything that comes from newsmax unless it can be vertified by a credible source. Newsmax has too much of a shady past for me to believe any word they write/edit. I can post more stories about how newsmax has f*** up, by i think the previous two will suffice. Asking newsmax's opinion on Kerry is like asking Hitler's opinion of Jews...both will get you an answer but you'd be a fool to believe it.
Who cares about ****ing "newsmax"! Debate the issue please...

[Secret Squirrel]

[quote=budanski]Secret Squirrel:

Depends on who you believe...
Pew: Five Times More Journalists Are Liberal Than Conservative (http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040524.asp)

Just so we're clear, I dont believe anything that comes from newsmax unless it can be vertified by a credible source. Newsmax has too much of a shady past for me to believe any word they write/edit. I can post more stories about how newsmax has f*** up, by i think the previous two will suffice. Asking newsmax's opinion on Kerry is like asking Hitler's opinion of Jews...both will get you an answer but you'd be a fool to believe it.
Who cares about f*** "newsmax"! Debate the issue please...

But that is the issue. I dont believe "the story according to newsmax" actually occured.

[California Joe]

Dude was being obnoxious as hell. Maybe he needs a job instead of jerking off to Barbarella. Kerry should have challenged him to a Lights Out Texas Death Match, in a cage. That woulda been sweet.on motorbikes, w/chainsaws.

Yeah. With switchblades and baseball cards in the spokes too. And topless ring girls.

[chauncy republicans]

[quote=budanski]Secret Squirrel:

Depends on who you believe...
Pew: Five Times More Journalists Are Liberal Than Conservative (http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040524.asp)

Just so we're clear, I dont believe anything that comes from newsmax unless it can be vertified by a credible source. Newsmax has too much of a shady past for me to believe any word they write/edit. I can post more stories about how newsmax has f*** up, by i think the previous two will suffice. Asking newsmax's opinion on Kerry is like asking Hitler's opinion of Jews...both will get you an answer but you'd be a fool to believe it.
Who cares about f*** "newsmax"! Debate the issue please...

But that is the issue. I dont believe "the story according to newsmax" actually occured.
Sorry...I see your point now.

[BlackRain]

He doesn't belong there?? Kerry fought in the same war and shed the same blood. Being a anti-war protester isn't treason. Kerry saw the horros of war and he wants to avoid too much american blood. Why is this guy not a hero? Shedding as less blood as possible should 'cool' instead of carpetbombing.


Cry me a river!

Kerry served only 4 months of his 1 year tour in Vietnam. Upon return to CONUS he requested and was approved to be released from his remaining one year in military service to pursue a career in politics.

As for shedding "blood", veterans who served with Kerry stated that his alleged wounds were insignificant and in one case possibly self inflicted.

Veterans don't like Kerry because he basically reenforced the popular misconception that alll Viet Vets were baby killing war criminals and did not serve the USA with honor.

Kerry (as head of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War) did not resign from the Vietnam Veterans Against the War until after the November 1971 VVAW Meeting in Kansas City where the Assassination Plot to kill US Senators who opposed the Vietnam War was discussed.

If that is not treason, I don't know what is.

[chauncy republicans]

I suppose you got all that Veteran against kerry info from that phony veterans group constructed by the G.O.P.?

Except for that last part though...I believe that is an absolute "fact".
Which is why I think it's completely idiotic to have voted "Kerry" in for the Democratic nomination. It amazes me.....

[Beowulf]

Dude was being obnoxious as hell. Maybe he needs a job instead of jerking off to Barbarella. Kerry should have challenged him to a Lights Out Texas Death Match, in a cage. That woulda been sweet.on motorbikes, w/chainsaws.

Yeah. With switchblades and baseball cards in the spokes too. And topless ring girls.
warriors....[klink...klink]..come out to play....

[CPL Trevoga]

Kerry fought in the mother****ing Vietnam war, unlike many ****heads who dump **** on him. Maybe he is an asshole rich **** but he served his country and did his duty. I respect his service more than Bush's who was chilling in the Nat. Air Guards. Bush might be more appealing to me on many issues he stands for, but as far as service, Kerry is the man.
After Vietnam, it was cool to be anti-war,you know, to get young dumb bithches.

P.S. Kerry is killing machine, he has 20 kills according to his mil. records.

[Dennis G]

He doesn't belong there?? Kerry fought in the same war and shed the same blood. Being a anti-war protester isn't treason. Kerry saw the horros of war and he wants to avoid too much american blood. Why is this guy not a hero? Shedding as less blood as possible should 'cool' instead of carpetbombing.


My father fought in Vetnam, Let me tell you Karry is a trader to all vets. My father is a vet against kerry!

Kerry on the web.

www.ron-siddell.com
www.greenberet.net/kerry/index.html
www.vnsfvtskerry.com
www.nojohnkerry.org
www.Kerry0votes.com
www.sentorFlipFlop.com
www.powmiafamiliesagainsstjohnKerry.com
www.johnfnkerry.com
www.dirtykerry.com
www.nicedoggie.net
www.vietnamveteransgainstjohnkerry.com
www.kerrymyths.edcnet.com
www.kerryquotes.com/index.html
www.kerrysucks2004.com
www.notokarry.com
www.vetsagainstkerry.org
www.hanoijohnkerry.com
www.geocites.com/michaelkansas2003/jkiw/
www.johnkerrysucks.com
www.nokerry.net/
www.socialistkerry.com

[scm77]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned here or not, but apparently when Kerry was at the Vietnam memorial a woman yelled "Are you here to mourn the soldiers you spit on Senator Kerry!?"

Ouch.

[Secret Squirrel]

He doesn't belong there?? Kerry fought in the same war and shed the same blood. Being a anti-war protester isn't treason. Kerry saw the horros of war and he wants to avoid too much american blood. Why is this guy not a hero? Shedding as less blood as possible should 'cool' instead of carpetbombing.


My father fought in Vetnam, Let me tell you Karry is a trader to all vets. My father is a vet against kerry!

Kerry on the web.

www.ron-siddell.com
www.greenberet.net/kerry/index.html
www.vnsfvtskerry.com
www.nojohnkerry.org
www.Kerry0votes.com
www.sentorFlipFlop.com
www.powmiafamiliesagainsstjohnKerry.com
www.johnfnkerry.com
www.dirtykerry.com
www.nicedoggie.net
www.vietnamveteransgainstjohnkerry.com
www.kerrymyths.edcnet.com
www.kerryquotes.com/index.html
www.kerrysucks2004.com
www.notokarry.com
www.vetsagainstkerry.org
www.hanoijohnkerry.com
www.geocites.com/michaelkansas2003/jkiw/
www.johnkerrysucks.com
www.nokerry.net/
www.socialistkerry.com

You forgot this link in your list http://www.rense.com/general53/alain.htm

edit: oops, my mistake i thought we were posting websites that deal with "the funny things that people believe.

[scm77]

http://www.gop.com/kerryopoly/

rofl This is great. rofl

[Trident-za]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned here or not, but apparently when Kerry was at the Vietnam memorial a woman yelled "Are you here to mourn the soldiers you spit on Senator Kerry!?"

Ouch.

Amazing what the non-liberal media can do to flame the masses. Did this particular woman have the "facts", or was she "informed" by the media?

P.S. I have no side in this matter, but I AM tired of seeing the "liberal" media being accused of being one-sided, and focusing only on certain issues. Every media outlet is biased... and they all ignore certain facts, while focusing on others.

[Dennis G]

You forgot this link in your list http://www.rense.com/general53/alain.htm

edit: oops, my mistake i thought we were posting websites that deal with "the funny things that people believe.

rofl

[scm77]

Flip-flop.

http://www.kerryquotes.com/flipflops.htm

I didn't think that site was funny, before I thought it was funny. ;)

[BlackRain]

I suppose you got all that Veteran against kerry info from that phony veterans group constructed by the G.O.P.?



No! Try the reading the newspaper in a town near you.


Sources:

1) Kerry did not quit VVAW until after Assignation Plot conspiracy. "FBI Shadowed Kerry During Activist Era" Los Angles Times 03/22/2004

2) Self Inflcted and MINOR alleged Battlefield Wounds. "New allegations surface about Kerry war wound" New Hampshire Union Leader 05/06/2004


A former Navy doctor who says he treated Sen. John F. Kerry for the wound that led to his first Purple Heart in Vietnam said Monday that several of Kerry’s crewmates told him at the time that the injury did not occur in battle.


Try opening your mind. Not everything is right/left political orientation but about right and wrong.

[California Joe]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned here or not, but apparently when Kerry was at the Vietnam memorial a woman yelled "Are you here to mourn the soldiers you spit on Senator Kerry!?"

Ouch.

Yeah, cause she had the right to be all annoying and yelling at politicians cause she was manning a .50 during Tet. Maybe Kerry should have told her to STFU and go back to the Rolling Thunder "suck a vet" booth. People in this country have lost all semblence of manners.

[Fintin]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned here or not, but apparently when Kerry was at the Vietnam memorial a woman yelled "Are you here to mourn the soldiers you spit on Senator Kerry!?"

Ouch.

Yeah, cause she had the right to be all annoying and yelling at politicians cause she was manning a .50 during Tet. Maybe Kerry should have told her to STFU and go back to the Rolling Thunder "suck a vet" booth. People in this country have lost all semblence of manners.

reason number 3 we like joe

[Trigger]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned here or not, but apparently when Kerry was at the Vietnam memorial a woman yelled "Are you here to mourn the soldiers you spit on Senator Kerry!?"

Ouch.

Yeah, cause she had the right to be all annoying and yelling at politicians cause she was manning a .50 during Tet. Maybe Kerry should have told her to STFU and go back to the Rolling Thunder "suck a vet" booth. People in this country have lost all semblence of manners.
I don't believe manning a .50 is a required before questioning the ethics of any politician...at least it hasn't been when Bush's past actions are concerned. :|

We all could use a good dose of remedial manners training. :)

[Secret Squirrel]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned here or not, but apparently when Kerry was at the Vietnam memorial a woman yelled "Are you here to mourn the soldiers you spit on Senator Kerry!?"

Ouch.

Yeah, cause she had the right to be all annoying and yelling at politicians cause she was manning a .50 during Tet. Maybe Kerry should have told her to STFU and go back to the Rolling Thunder "suck a vet" booth. People in this country have lost all semblence of manners.
I don't believe manning a .50 is a required before questioning the ethics of any politician...at least it hasn't been when Bush's past actions are concerned. :|

We all could use a good dose of remedial manners training. :)

We could all use a good dose of manners and realize that its ok to put all the b.s from both sides away for a day thats suppose to be dedicated to "respect" and "remembering".

[California Joe]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned here or not, but apparently when Kerry was at the Vietnam memorial a woman yelled "Are you here to mourn the soldiers you spit on Senator Kerry!?"

Ouch.

Yeah, cause she had the right to be all annoying and yelling at politicians cause she was manning a .50 during Tet. Maybe Kerry should have told her to STFU and go back to the Rolling Thunder "suck a vet" booth. People in this country have lost all semblence of manners.
I don't believe manning a .50 is a required before questioning the ethics of any politician...at least it hasn't been when Bush's past actions are concerned. :|
We all could use a good dose of remedial manners training. :)

I dislike most, if not all politicians. I dislike ignorance even more than that. I bet she told all her pals at Walmart how she "dissed" Kerry.

[Trident-za]

I don't know if this has already been mentioned here or not, but apparently when Kerry was at the Vietnam memorial a woman yelled "Are you here to mourn the soldiers you spit on Senator Kerry!?"

Ouch.

Yeah, cause she had the right to be all annoying and yelling at politicians cause she was manning a .50 during Tet. Maybe Kerry should have told her to STFU and go back to the Rolling Thunder "suck a vet" booth. People in this country have lost all semblence of manners.
I don't believe manning a .50 is a required before questioning the ethics of any politician...at least it hasn't been when Bush's past actions are concerned. :|
We all could use a good dose of remedial manners training. :)

I dislike most, if not all politicians. I dislike ignorance even more than that. I bet she told all her pals at Walmart how she "dissed" Kerry.

Well said.

[American Patriot]

POS Kerry

[usa320]

Im glad samply made an ass of kerry.

He not only betrayed the men he served with, but according to the reports i read he put troops lives in danger on a daily basis with his "heroic" stunts.

[ArmedPacifist]

Im glad samply made an ass of kerry.

He not only betrayed the men he served with, but according to the reports i read he put troops lives in danger on a daily basis with his "heroic" stunts.

Samply made an ass out of himself. Kerry responded accordingly.

I think it's hilarious how all the people who attack Kerry's character say something along the lines of "acorrding to something I read on the internet....Kerry is an etc etc..."

You people really need to exercise some STFU action until you get some facts somewhere else than a google search.

Oh yeah and CJ well said man.

[chauncy republicans]

Try opening your mind. Not everything is right/left political orientation but about right and wrong.
Im afraid your preaching to the quire, gomer.

[scm77]

Kerry is a flip-flopper. Look at his numereous positions on issues.

But if anybody criticises(sp??) him they just say, "John Kerry is a war hero, how dare you question him about his conflicting positions or abortion rights. For shame."

[chauncy republicans]

I bet she told all her pals at Walmart how she "dissed" Kerry.
ROFLMFAO!! rofl

[chauncy republicans]

1) Kerry did not quit VVAW until after Assignation Plot conspiracy. "FBI Shadowed Kerry During Activist Era" Los Angles Times 03/22/2004
Did I dispute this in my post!? :cantbeli:
Secondly, I read the news paper every morning and most of this is new to me! Oh wait...I forgot, my newspaper is'nt politicaly biased. :oops:

What did you say about opening minds...

[Secret Squirrel]

Kerry is a flip-flopper. Look at his numereous positions on issues.

But if anybody criticises(sp??) him they just say, "John Kerry is a war hero, how dare you question him about his conflicting positions or abortion rights. For shame."

Compared to Bush solely in the arena of "time served" Kerry easily comes out on top.

p.s - still amused that a more than likely fake article has created a nice thread. rofl

[Durandal]

Incase you want a recent example; March 2nd, 2004 AP story on a Senate gun bill.

Here’s the original AP version of the story:

Senate Republicans Scuttle Gun Bill

By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans scuttled their election-year gun legislation Tuesday after Democrats succeeded in winning approval of amendments to extend an assault weapons ban and require background checks on all buyers at private gun shows.

Here’s how NewsMax posted the story:

Senate Republicans Scuttle Tainted Gun Bill

NewsMax.com Wires

Tuesday, Mar. 2, 2004

WASHINGTON – Senate Republicans scuttled an election-year bill to immunize the gun industry from lawsuits Tuesday after Democrats amended it to extend a ban on what they call "assault weapons" and require background checks on all buyers at private gun shows.

NewsMax completely changed the meaning of the story by rearranging the order and adding things such as the phrase “what they call ‘assault weapons.’” Although they did thoughtfully leave the AP copyright in place, including the warning that no one was allowed to "rewrite" the copyrighted story.

Except the News Max bill is actually the more correct article. In fact, if anything, the News Max article is LESS biased in this case...

Not that I think News Max is an unbiased source.

Your example is for sh*t.

;)

[Secret Squirrel]

Incase you want a recent example; March 2nd, 2004 AP story on a Senate gun bill.

Here’s the original AP version of the story:

Senate Republicans Scuttle Gun Bill

By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans scuttled their election-year gun legislation Tuesday after Democrats succeeded in winning approval of amendments to extend an assault weapons ban and require background checks on all buyers at private gun shows.

Here’s how NewsMax posted the story:

Senate Republicans Scuttle Tainted Gun Bill

NewsMax.com Wires

Tuesday, Mar. 2, 2004

WASHINGTON – Senate Republicans scuttled an election-year bill to immunize the gun industry from lawsuits Tuesday after Democrats amended it to extend a ban on what they call "assault weapons" and require background checks on all buyers at private gun shows.

NewsMax completely changed the meaning of the story by rearranging the order and adding things such as the phrase “what they call ‘assault weapons.’” Although they did thoughtfully leave the AP copyright in place, including the warning that no one was allowed to "rewrite" the copyrighted story.

Except the News Max bill is actually the more correct article. In fact, if anything, the News Max article is LESS biased in this case...

Not that I think News Max is an unbiased source.

Your example is for sh*t.

;)

I guess I should have spelled it out a little better? The AP wrote the story and newmax changed it (ignoring the copywrite protect). If you believe anything you read on newsmax and its not vertified by other more credible sources, then you're just setting yourself up for embarassment (ie. the Clinton example). Need the issue further clarified?

Terry Krepel writes:

After ConWebWatch caught NewsMax in the act of changing wire service news copy to make it more pro-conservative and anti-liberal, the incidence of it declined. When NewsMax dumped Moonie-owned UPI for the venerable Associated Press, it seemed to stop completely, limiting its bias to headlines and subheads. Apparently not. A March 2 story on a Senate gun-related mucks with the copy. The headline, of course, is slanted -- "Senate Republicans Scuttle Tainted Gun Bill" -- but the lead paragraph complains that "Democrats amended it to extend a ban on what they call 'assault weapons.'" The problem? That's not how AP sent it out. It used "assault weapons" without quotes and without the "what they call" equivocation.

Just so you're completely clear Durandal, the AP (I assume you know who they are?) wrote a story which newsmax posted on their site. Newsmax changed a story that was written by someone else but failed to actually tell anyone that it was changed. They also kept the copywrite protection at the bottom of the article. Does that sound like the actions of a credible news source?

So how exactly can the newsmax version be more correct if they changed an article from the AP? And how is this example "****"? Maybe next time before you respond you'll actually know what you're talking about. ;)

[mocking_loudly_died]

If some silly **** formed a club against me and started telling the children not to chat with myself due to some delusion of bringing forth events that had taken place a **** long time ago (in which no one seemed to give a f*ck about until recently) - id give him more than the finger.

It would be wrestling time (roar - rips off business suit to reveal latex battle uniform).

I hate rude f*ckers that want to create a scene to further there own little cliques.

If you hate Kerry attack him on issues don't lower yourself to childish stunts.

[Tane Angle]

Some of those people have a lot of nerve. Try burying a few friends in a meaningless war and see how you feel.


He not only betrayed the men he served with I've written and rewritten this particular line about ten times now. I will try to hold my tongue and simply say that I would be very surprised if you know the first thing about betraying men.

You a big Ronald Reagan fan? Or Bush Jr. fan? News flash: we're betraying good men and women every day over here. They're dying, and what for? To create another Iranian-style theocracy? It would have been better to attempt to help the Iraqi's win their own freedom. You a big fan of Bush Sr.? Know what happened to the people he betrayed? And I mean really, do you know what happened? They didn't just painlessly go to sleep.

Now I don't think that people should use his military service when the conversation is about social reform or things like that. But this conversation isn't about welfare or social security. It's about a military memorial. I can't think of a conversation in which his career would be more relevant.

Have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

[ArmedPacifist]

Some of those people have a lot of nerve. Try burying a few friends in a meaningless war and see how you feel.


He not only betrayed the men he served with I've written and rewritten this particular line about ten times now. I will try to hold my tongue and simply say that I would be very surprised if you know the first thing about betraying men.

You a big Ronald Reagan fan? Or Bush Jr. fan? News flash: we're betraying good men and women every day over here. They're dying, and what for? To create another Iranian-style theocracy? It would have been better to attempt to help the Iraqi's win their own freedom. You a big fan of Bush Sr.? Know what happened to the people he betrayed?

Now I don't think that people should use his military service when the conversation is about social reform or things like that. But this conversation isn't about welfare or social security. It's about a military memorial. I can't think of a conversation in which his career would be more relevant.

Have a good one all, and just some thoughts...


Exactly, thank you for the influx of common sense.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Mmmm tane-terrific.

[Durandal]

I guess I should have spelled it out a little better?

No, I am just blowing you sh*t.


Terry Krepel writes:

The headline, of course, is slanted -- "Senate Republicans Scuttle Tainted Gun Bill" -- but the lead paragraph complains that "Democrats amended it to extend a ban on what they call 'assault weapons.'" The problem? That's not how AP sent it out. It used "assault weapons" without quotes and without the "what they call" equivocation.

Just so you're completely clear Durandal, the AP (I assume you know who they are?) wrote a story which newsmax posted on their site. Newsmax changed a story that was written by someone else but failed to actually tell anyone that it was changed. They also kept the copywrite protection at the bottom of the article. Does that sound like the actions of a credible news source?

My point is that the the irony behind your os so sexy example is that regardless of whether Newsmax edited the AP wire story (something that is done by even the MOSt credible of news sources), they made it LESS biased and more truthful.

Quoting Terry Krepel simply makes it worse...



The headline, of course, is slanted -- "Senate Republicans Scuttle Tainted Gun Bill"

There is no slant at all. The Republicans were pushing for a law-suit bill that would protect firearms manufacturers from non-machanical liability lawsuits, like, such as liability fo accidental deaths or murders (which has nothing to do with product liability). The Democrats tacked on to trailers to the bill...

A) An automatic extension to the 1994 AWB *snort*

and

B) Several purchase laws that deal with background check and the "gunshow loophole" (which is in itself a slanted term just as much as "assault weapons" are).

Thus, the bill was in fact tainted. The purpose of the bill was to protect an area of the firearms industry and protection of the 2nd Amendment. The Democrats changed that.

The "assault weapons" being placed in quotes is also the truth. Since as anyone with half a brain in this forum knows, REAL Assault Weapons, are NOT the "Assault Weapons" discussed in the article, but sporting semi-automatic rifles owned by civilians.

So, *chuckle* I simply pointed out that while I understand your point and agree somewhat, you are being just as BIASED as you make Newsmax out to be in your attempt to show how biased they are in changing AP stories. Because they made the story less biased and more news worthy.

If anything they did their readers a favor and made it read the way it should: in a VERY unbiased fashion.

[Durandal]

Have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

And always...a good group of thoughts...

[Secret Squirrel]

I guess I should have spelled it out a little better?

No, I am just blowing you sh*t.


Terry Krepel writes:

The headline, of course, is slanted -- "Senate Republicans Scuttle Tainted Gun Bill" -- but the lead paragraph complains that "Democrats amended it to extend a ban on what they call 'assault weapons.'" The problem? That's not how AP sent it out. It used "assault weapons" without quotes and without the "what they call" equivocation.

Just so you're completely clear Durandal, the AP (I assume you know who they are?) wrote a story which newsmax posted on their site. Newsmax changed a story that was written by someone else but failed to actually tell anyone that it was changed. They also kept the copywrite protection at the bottom of the article. Does that sound like the actions of a credible news source?

My point is that the the irony behind your os so sexy example is that regardless of whether Newsmax edited the AP wire story (something that is done by even the MOSt credible of news sources), they made it LESS biased and more truthful.

Quoting Terry Krepel simply makes it worse...



The headline, of course, is slanted -- "Senate Republicans Scuttle Tainted Gun Bill"

There is no slant at all. The Republicans were pushing for a law-suit bill that would protect firearms manufacturers from non-machanical liability lawsuits, like, such as liability fo accidental deaths or murders (which has nothing to do with product liability). The Democrats tacked on to trailers to the bill...

A) An automatic extension to the 1994 AWB *snort*

and

B) Several purchase laws that deal with background check and the "gunshow loophole" (which is in itself a slanted term just as much as "assault weapons" are).

Thus, the bill was in fact tainted. The purpose of the bill was to protect an area of the firearms industry and protection of the 2nd Amendment. The Democrats changed that.

The "assault weapons" being placed in quotes is also the truth. Since as anyone with half a brain in this forum knows, REAL Assault Weapons, are NOT the "Assault Weapons" discussed in the article, but sporting semi-automatic rifles owned by civilians.

So, *chuckle* I simply pointed out that while I understand your point and agree somewhat, you are being just as BIASED as you make Newsmax out to be in your attempt to show how biased they are in changing AP stories. Because they made the story less biased and more news worthy.

If anything they did their readers a favor and made it read the way it should: in a VERY unbiased fashion.

Newsmax is biased but also completely WRONG a lot of the time. Did they report the true story regarding Hilary Clinton? If you answer yes, just go to the site where newsmax sent its readers. Regarding the above example, can you show some examples where the original AP article is reproduced and edited, with the source stating that its the words of the AP? Why do you think they changed the story but still claimed it came from the AP? You really call that credible reporting? Why cant you grasp this simple concept...newsmax broke copywrite laws. If they wanted to write a story, they could have but they chose to edit another story and claim that it was still the original story.

Hrm according to newsmax Russia knew that 911 was going to happen...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/16/103951.shtml

and of course Kerry supports terrorists...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/7/104340.shtml

and poor Bush was apparently bashed at a WWII cermony...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/1/200739.shtml

and AQ already has nukes according to newsmax...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/17/230916.shtml

"These reports confirm details of an exclusive briefing given to NewsMax readers earlier this month by Yossef Bodansky." rofl

are there really people who actually believes anything reported by newsmax if the story doesnt appear elsewhere?

[Secret Squirrel]

More examples, take them for what you will... woot

By Terry Krepel
Posted 4/7/2004

Not too long ago, ConWebWatch noted as part of a recent spate of silliness by NewsMax a Feb. 15 article that purports to compare statistics about who voted in the 2000 presidential election.
Turns out those "2000 Election Facts" -- actually, an e-mail that has been floating around for years -- were not just silly, they are also, in part, flat-out wrong.

Here is what NewsMax's article says:

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the most recent Presidential election:

Population of counties won by:
Gore = 127 million
Bush = 143 million

Square miles of land won by:
Gore = 580,000
Bush = 2,2427,000


States won by:
Gore = 19
Bush = 29

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Gore = 13.2
Bush = 2.1

The first big error: Olson didn't say any of this. As the urban legend-busting folks at Snopes.com discovered, while there is indeed a Hamline University and a Professor Joseph Olson, he "confirmed that he had no authorship or involvement in this matter." Olson's name apparently got added to the e-mail somewhere along the line.

The statistics on the population of counties and land area appear to be accurate, Snopes reports, but they're irrelevant to NewsMax's headline claim that "Red States Are the Real America." Counties and land masses don't vote; you'd think NewsMax might have noticed that by now.

The murder rate, however, is completely wrong. Snopes computed homicide data by county for 1999 and 2000 from the National Archive of Criminal Justice Data and came up with quite different numbers. According to Snopes, the murder rate in Bush counties was 4.1 and in Gore counties, 6.5. A distinct difference, but not as dramatic as the one NewsMax advances.

This is not the first instance of this legend appearing on NewsMax. To show how old this little legend is, Neal Boortz cited it in a Nov. 29, 2000, column, complete with erroneous reference to Olson and incorrect murder rate statistics, to which he adds: "Ah, those Gore voters. This country needs more of them, right?" Diane Alden also cited it in a Dec. 5, 2000, commentary.

In fact, ConWebWatch wrote about Boortz's column back in 2000, noting where Boortz didn't that Olson was a member of the National Rifle Association board of directors. That's how old this thing is. And NewsMax is treating it as a "current" news story?

The number of states listed is a big clue to the e-mail's age. Note that the numbers add up to only 48. As Snopes points out, this implies the original article was written before the results of the Florida and New Mexico vote-counts were determined; the final tallies were 30 states for Bush and 20 for Gore. So much for copy-editing at NewsMax -- they couldn't even be bothered to add up those obviously incorrect numbers.

That's not the only case of e-mail legends creeping into NewsMax copy. Snopes reports that the stats e-mail usually includes a quote from "Alexander Tyler," an 18-century Scottish history professor, comparing the U.S. to the lifespan of the Athenian Empire of ancient Greece and the following sequence of events in a democracy:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

The problem? First, wrong name. Snopes concludes the e-mail is referring to Alexander Fraser Tytler, who was indeed an 18-century Scottish history professor, which brings us to the second problem -- there is no evidence that Tytler said anything about the lifespan of democracies.

Yet NewsMax writers fell for this, too. Miguel A. Faria Jr., NewsMax's resident Castro-basher, got Tytler's name right in an August 2001 article but erroneously attributes the Athenian democracy quote to him. George Putnam cites the bondage sequence in a November 2003 column but attributes it to Ezra Taft Benson, secretary of agriculture in the Eisenhower administration and former president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons).

NewsMax wasn't the only one suckered in. WorldNetDaily's Joseph Farah recited the bondage-to-bondage sequence, credited generically to "historians," in a July 2000 column and again in July 2002 (in fact, both columns are pretty much the same, so instead of plagiarizing others, Farah in this instance plagiarizes himself).

What does it say about NewsMax that it considers an incorrect four-year-old e-mail to be current news? Nothing about journalistic integrity, that's for sure.

* * *

Other recent silliness at NewsMax:

-- The latest Kerry-bashing: NewsMax ran two stories about plans by the Bush re-election campaign and the Republican National Committee against John Kerry's campaign and supporting groups for allegedly illegally coordinating spending of "soft money" in the campaign. Missing from both stories: any reaction from the Kerry campaign.

-- Jon Dougherty Sycophancy Alert: The One-Source Wonder (who, by the way, got suckered in by those statistics too way back when) turned in a fine suck-up effort April 5 on William Bennett's new radio show. Typical sentence from the story: "Bennett will have a natural, nationwide audience who like his no nonsense conservative talk."

-- And amidst all this mindless Kerry-bashing, sycophancy and reporting of lies by his employer, NewsMax columnist wrote a March 31 column attacking (surprise) "the socialist elite who dominate the mainstream media." The headline for his column? "The Truth Is Not In Them." One typical sentence: "The chances are that when it comes to their coverage of the presidential campaign, you are being deceived."

Brennan will never admit it, of course, but the sad fact is that he's talking about NewsMax, too.

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2004/nmlegend.html

[Durandal]

I hate top break it to you, but most news papers edit the AP wire reports. I spent five years in advertisement design and layout. I did a stint editing AP wire stories to fit columns...

That means, if the story did not fit, cut a portion of it so it would. As far as headlines go, well, a newspaper can make whatever ehadline they like. Its been like that since AP started...

This is not something new and outrageous. The New York Times does it, the Washington Post does it, the Cincinnati Enquirer does it...they all do it. That is not to say there are not those rags that do stay true to the entire article, but I know they get copy edited and edited for length...which means edited, period.

Lets examine your samples...


and of course Kerry supports terrorists...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/7/104340.shtml

This is an easy one. No where in the article does Newsmax say Kerry Supports terrorists.


and AQ already has nukes according to newsmax...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/17/230916.shtml

Show me where Newsmax says AQ has nukes...there is this: "e is arguably the world’s foremost expert on al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, and he offers a stunning, confidential briefing to NewsMax’s Off-the-Record Club.

Among his many revelations: Osama bin Laden obtained several nuclear devices from the Russian mafia."


and poor Bush was apparently bashed at a WWII cermony...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/1/200739.shtml

I have HEARD the speech, and I hae to admit, Newsmax pretty much got this one right. Bush is COMPLETELY irrelevant to this event with the exception of noting both journalists and servicemen currently int he Gulf at that time Wallace's words WERE in fact political. Hell, in a "Talk fo the Nation" they even mentioned it. This is a story RUN by Newsmax, not an AP wire story...

And lastly...

according to newsmax Russia knew that 911 was going to happen...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/9/16/103951.shtml


Well according to this OP ED piece, it is a theory and uses some stretching.

Did you notice the date? Less than 2 weeks after 9/11...I can find you THOUSANDS of "theory" stories that ran from the moment the first plane hit to the day the article was ran.

YOU Are JUST as biased as Newsmax man..in fact, worse so.

I get my news from probably two dozen sources and a number of individuals (depending on the subject). I know somewhere in between all these sources lies the truth.

To me, Newsmax is a fun read...sometimes. Other times it bores me simply because the writing is dreadful. That is a taste thing. Newsmax is no less or more biased than am equal number of conservative and liberal news medias...

You run around like some watchdog of Conservative media. I would be far more impressed if you have equal zeal for those that take opposite stands on issues from Newsmax...

...or can you?

[Secret Squirrel]

I hate top break it to you, but most news papers edit the AP wire reports. I spent five years in advertisement design and layout. I did a stint editing AP wire stories to fit columns...

That means, if the story did not fit, cut a portion of it so it would. As far as headlines go, well, a newspaper can make whatever ehadline they like. Its been like that since AP started...

This is not something new and outrageous. The New York Times does it, the Washington Post does it, the Cincinnati Enquirer does it...they all do it. That is not to say there are not those rags that do stay true to the entire article, but I know they get copy edited and edited for length...which means edited, period.

still waiting on those examples. And your response to Terry Krepel's article? And the Clinton example?

[ZeroPositive]

Hanoi John t-shirt. :lol:

Double :) :)

[Fargin]

A flippin' bird would be a dignified response.

[OB Kenobi]

Ted Sampley is a right-wing fanatic, a supporter of the Confederate army (and no doubt the KKK), and has even been arrested for tax fraud. Ted Sampley is the guy who attacked McCain about his war record and the guy who started the Veterans Against Kerry website... obviously with Republicon funding. To put it simply, Ted Sampley is a looney, and a paid provacateur.

You have to hand it to Kerry for giving this guy the finger, because there's not a damn thing Sampley can do about it, and he certainly deserved it.

Article about Ted Sampley:

http://www.rightwingnuts.org/archives/000142.html

[Durandal]

still waiting on those examples. And your response to Terry Krepel's article? And the Clinton example?

I have seen it done. You'lll just ahve to take my word for it...or not. I don't really care.

Terry Krepel is Biased. So you are asking me my opinion on a biased OPINION piece talking about another biased news article OR opinion piece.

Rub some braincells together and just think about what it is you are asking.

rofl

Which Clinton example?

[Secret Squirrel]

still waiting on those examples. And your response to Terry Krepel's article? And the Clinton example?

I have seen it done. You'lll just ahve to take my word for it...or not. I don't really care.

Terry Krepel is Biased. So you are asking me my opinion on a biased OPINION piece talking about another biased news article OR opinion piece.

Rub some braincells together and just think about what it is you are asking.

rofl

Which Clinton example?

Whether Krepel is biased or not is not really a question. Its easy to track down his story and confirm it, or havent you the intelligence to actually question what an article states and then confirm the information provided? And this Clinton example...

Internet Hoaxes and Urban Legends
By Jolene Johnson
The other day I received another one of those emails that gets circulated around the Internet. You've seen them - they've been forwarded through about twenty people before they reach a friend who sends them on to you. Most of the time they contain an amusing story, joke, or inspirational poem.

This one was a little different. It started out explaining that the Gold Star Mothers is an organization of women who've lost sons in military action. Then it goes on to state, "Recently a delegation of New York State Gold Star Mothers made a trip to Washington, DC to discuss various concerns with their elected representatives. According to NewsMax.com there was only one politician in DC who refused to meet with these ladies. Can you guess which politician that might be?...."

It continues, "None other than the Queen herself, Hillary Clinton. She refused repeated requests to meet with the Gold Star Mothers..." It concludes by urging everyone to "forward this to as many people as you can..."

Curious about this, I went to NewsMax.com, which was cited as a reference in this email. There really was a news story stating this incident as fact. But somehow it just didn't sound right. So I decided to check out the web site for the Gold Star Moms. Right on the front page of their site is the following disclaimer: "With regard to the NewsMax article concerning our organization, the American Gold Star Mothers, Inc., deeply regret the misunderstanding about Senator Hillary Clinton. The two mothers who visited Washington did not have an appointment with the Senator and she was not in her office on that day. We would appreciate it if the e-mails and negative comments about Senator Clinton would cease."

This type of email that gets circulated around cyberspace is known as an "urban legend" or "hoax." They range from promises that Bill Gates will send you $150.00 just for forwarding an email, to virus hoaxes. One thing most have in common is the request to "forward this email to all your friends," thus perpetuating the rumor and cluttering up other people's email boxes.
http://oursenioryears.com/legends.html

[Durandal]

Whether Krepel is biased or not is not really a question.

Except it is...nor do I have time to track.



And this Clinton example...

Oh, that. You have to be specific. Clinton, means President Clinton. Use Evil Bitch when you speak of his wife.

Now, with that said...who cares. I have not read the Newsmax story nor do I care.

You need to post BOTH articles man. So we can coompare them.

So far you are NOTHING but the same biased source as you claim Newsmax to be.

Cheers! Off to work now!

[American Patriot]

It's more likely that Kerry supports the KKK because liberal policies have destroyed inner city schools

[Secret Squirrel]

Whether Krepel is biased or not is not really a question.

Except it is...nor do I have time to track.



And this Clinton example...

Oh, that. You have to be specific. Clinton, means President Clinton. Use Evil Bitch when you speak of his wife.

Now, with that said...who cares. I have not read the Newsmax story nor do I care.

You need to post BOTH articles man. So we can coompare them.

So far you are NOTHING but the same biased source as you claim Newsmax to be.

Cheers! Off to work now!

If you want the world to spoon feed you start wearing diapers again. I posted comparisons, i posted articles by other sites, i posted an article by a site that had to deal with newsmax's **** up. If you still think newsmax is a good credible news source then thats your dellusion.

[ibstolidude]

Dude was being obnoxious as hell. Maybe he needs a job instead of jerking off to Barbarella. Kerry should have challenged him to a Lights Out Texas Death Match, in a cage. That woulda been sweet.on motorbikes, w/chainsaws.

Yeah. With switchblades and baseball cards in the spokes too. And topless ring girls.
warriors....[klink...klink]..come out to play....
Two Men Enter, One MAN Leave!

[mi35d]

Soooo...it's a "right wing nut job" they HAVE to be supported by the Republican Party. (It's true, really! Al Fraken said so! It's gotta be the truth!)

But a group like, "Move On.Org" that makes nut job comments about the president, etc. has NO connection to the Democratic Party so if they say, "President Bush is worse than Hitler", Kerry and Kennedy can say, "We're not connected to that organization."

Gotta love hypocrisy!

[ibstolidude]

Whether Krepel is biased or not is not really a question. Its easy to track down his story and confirm it, or havent you the intelligence to actually question what an article states and then confirm the information provided? And this Clinton example...

Internet Hoaxes and Urban Legends
By Jolene Johnson
The other day I received another one of those emails that gets circulated around the Internet. You've seen them - they've been forwarded through about twenty people before they reach a friend who sends them on to you. Most of the time they contain an amusing story, joke, or inspirational poem.

This one was a little different. It started out explaining that the Gold Star Mothers is an organization of women who've lost sons in military action. Then it goes on to state, "Recently a delegation of New York State Gold Star Mothers made a trip to Washington, DC to discuss various concerns with their elected representatives. According to NewsMax.com there was only one politician in DC who refused to meet with these ladies. Can you guess which politician that might be?...."

It continues, "None other than the Queen herself, Hillary Clinton. She refused repeated requests to meet with the Gold Star Mothers..." It concludes by urging everyone to "forward this to as many people as you can..."

Curious about this, I went to NewsMax.com, which was cited as a reference in this email. There really was a news story stating this incident as fact. But somehow it just didn't sound right. So I decided to check out the web site for the Gold Star Moms. Right on the front page of their site is the following disclaimer: "With regard to the NewsMax article concerning our organization, the American Gold Star Mothers, Inc., deeply regret the misunderstanding about Senator Hillary Clinton. The two mothers who visited Washington did not have an appointment with the Senator and she was not in her office on that day. We would appreciate it if the e-mails and negative comments about Senator Clinton would cease."

This type of email that gets circulated around cyberspace is known as an "urban legend" or "hoax." They range from promises that Bill Gates will send you $150.00 just for forwarding an email, to virus hoaxes. One thing most have in common is the request to "forward this email to all your friends," thus perpetuating the rumor and cluttering up other people's email boxes.
http://oursenioryears.com/legends.html

you already posted that in the initial post. Have you run out of ideas already have you have to repeat yourself?

[Secret Squirrel]

Whether Krepel is biased or not is not really a question. Its easy to track down his story and confirm it, or havent you the intelligence to actually question what an article states and then confirm the information provided? And this Clinton example...

Internet Hoaxes and Urban Legends
By Jolene Johnson
The other day I received another one of those emails that gets circulated around the Internet. You've seen them - they've been forwarded through about twenty people before they reach a friend who sends them on to you. Most of the time they contain an amusing story, joke, or inspirational poem.

This one was a little different. It started out explaining that the Gold Star Mothers is an organization of women who've lost sons in military action. Then it goes on to state, "Recently a delegation of New York State Gold Star Mothers made a trip to Washington, DC to discuss various concerns with their elected representatives. According to NewsMax.com there was only one politician in DC who refused to meet with these ladies. Can you guess which politician that might be?...."

It continues, "None other than the Queen herself, Hillary Clinton. She refused repeated requests to meet with the Gold Star Mothers..." It concludes by urging everyone to "forward this to as many people as you can..."

Curious about this, I went to NewsMax.com, which was cited as a reference in this email. There really was a news story stating this incident as fact. But somehow it just didn't sound right. So I decided to check out the web site for the Gold Star Moms. Right on the front page of their site is the following disclaimer: "With regard to the NewsMax article concerning our organization, the American Gold Star Mothers, Inc., deeply regret the misunderstanding about Senator Hillary Clinton. The two mothers who visited Washington did not have an appointment with the Senator and she was not in her office on that day. We would appreciate it if the e-mails and negative comments about Senator Clinton would cease."

This type of email that gets circulated around cyberspace is known as an "urban legend" or "hoax." They range from promises that Bill Gates will send you $150.00 just for forwarding an email, to virus hoaxes. One thing most have in common is the request to "forward this email to all your friends," thus perpetuating the rumor and cluttering up other people's email boxes.
http://oursenioryears.com/legends.html

you already posted that in the initial post. Have you run out of ideas already have you have to repeat yourself?

Incase you cant read, Durandal asked about the Clinton example a few posts up. So I reposted the example for him after I mentioned it a couple times without him realizing what i was talking about. Woah, logic is dangerous thing isnt it? rofl

[ibstolidude]

Incase you cant read, Durandal asked about the Clinton example a few posts up. So I reposted the example for him after I mentioned it a couple times without him realizing what i was talking about. Woah, logic is dangerous thing isnt it? rofl - don't get mad at me cry-baby; they are your words, your off-kilter logic.

[Secret Squirrel]

Incase you cant read, Durandal asked about the Clinton example a few posts up. So I reposted the example for him after I mentioned it a couple times without him realizing what i was talking about. Woah, logic is dangerous thing isnt it? rofl - don't get mad at me cry-baby; they are your words, your off-kilter logic.

Mad? rofl just pointing out the stupidity of your post. woot A member asked about an example I brought up so I reposted it for him.

[Durandal]

Two Men Enter, One MAN Leave!

Who runs Bartertown?

[Durandal]

If you want the world to spoon feed you start wearing diapers again.

No, I simply have MUCH better things to do then run down every whining complaint made by some idealistic college student who thinks he or she KNOWS how the world works.

Your posts are simply ANOTHER bias...

I did however go through and actually read the beginning of this thread. I found this...


Pew: Five Times More Journalists Are Liberal Than Conservative (http://www.mrc.org/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040524.asp)

Just so we're clear, I dont believe anything that comes from newsmax unless it can be vertified by a credible source.

I suggest you actually walk the walk instead of ONLY talking the talk.

All you had to do was click on the link to US News and World Report. Which the last time I checked was for more credible than say...the Guardian.

Silly rabbit...

[Trigger]

Two Men Enter, One MAN Leave!

Who runs Bartertown?

Bust the deal...face the wheel.

[Durandal]

rofl

That movie was such ass, but damn if there were not some great lines in it.

[OB Kenobi]

Soooo...it's a "right wing nut job" they HAVE to be supported by the Republican Party. (It's true, really! Al Fraken said so! It's gotta be the truth!)


The guy has been doing this for years, where does he get his $$$ to do it? He travels around the country, creates websites, has a newsletter. Ok, so maybe he's just a reeeally dedicated imbecile? :P



But a group like, "Move On.Org" that makes nut job comments about the president, etc. has NO connection to the Democratic Party so if they say, "President Bush is worse than Hitler", Kerry and Kennedy can say, "We're not connected to that organization."

Gotta love hypocrisy!

The excuse of you Bu****es always seems to be either "What about the Demorats?" or "It's all that Clinton's fault."

Ever since Bush came into office, we've had all sorts of "unexplainable" weird **** going on, the kind that doesn't happen to honest people, the kind that just doesn't happen overnight. You gotta be either corrupt or really stupid not to see what's going on here.

Bush is hiding a great deal of things, Bush has been profiteering from our problems the way Enron profiteered from the energy shortage in California, I want another president elected just so that all this can at least be honestly investigated. Iraq is already screwed either way, it doesn't make a difference if Bush, Kerry or Saddam is elected.