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Macs.
06-04-2008, 11:40 AM
Neo-Nazis for Israel

Experts divided on whether it may just be Left-wing provocation, but German neo-Nazi group declares support for Israel, Jews. 'A strong nation is worthy of life,' says group, 'respect those who have earned it'

BERLIN – Shall wolves dwell with lambs? Israel (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/unescape%28this.href%29%22) received an unexpected surprise for its 60th birthday (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/unescape%28this.href%29%22) in the form of a new group rooting for its prosperity. The twist? They are neo-Nazis.

On May 15, the Gregorian date in which the State of Israel was established, a group called National Socialists for Israel launched its online manifest.

"A strong nation is worthy of life; an ailing nation deserves death," it said, before detailing an ideology sporting the traditional Nazi concept of purity of the race on the one hand, and calling on National Socialists to let go of their hatred for Jews and support the Jewish people's right to their own homeland on the other.

"Deportations, pogroms and inquisitions were all understandable acts which were carried out by nations merely trying to defend themselves," said the website of past persecution of Jews.

"That is also the context in which the event called the 'Holocaust' must be viewed… This does not justify it. Instead of destroying the Jews we should have taken every measure possible to support the Zionist movement."

The group goes on to harshly criticize the Nazi regime as the cause of the "unnecessary rivalry" between Germany and its "brethren neighbors," and slams the current leaders of Germany's extreme right as "cowardly reactionaries."

'Stop spreading lies'

"The Jewish people still exist. Their national movement, supported by brave warriors has been able to form a state and expel foreign elements… For 60 year now, an army of young men and women has defended Israel against all foes," said the site.

Further supportive messages called for the Nazi party to "stop spreading anti Semitic lies about a worldwide Jewish plot" and demanded of anti Semites to "show us proof of Jewish domination over Germany and the world."

The website also tells of a gathering which took place on May 25 and included panels on solidarity with Israel, anti Semitism, and how to counter "the growing Islamic presence in Germany and around the world."

The group's public relations department has begun distributing stickers in Berlin depicting Israeli soldiers carrying the Israeli flag with the slogan - "A 2000-year struggle for survival. Respect those who have earned it."

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Social experts following Germany's extreme right are skeptical of the new group, with some saying it is the product of a radical Left-wing-led provocation. Others, however, believe it may be a genuine new movement.

"There have always been fringe groups within Nazism that have supported a national home for the Jewish people, but the fact that they have a positive attitude towards Israel does not make them any less anti-Semitic," said Anita Kahana, who heads an foundation in Germany working against extreme right-groups.

"Mostly, they are trying to stir an ideological provocation," she added.

Ilan Mor of the Israeli Embassy in Berlin was appalled to learn of the story.

"We can handle our enemies just fine, but God save us from friends like these," he said, calling the group "absolutely preposterous."http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3551269,00.html

Moledet
06-04-2008, 12:06 PM
They are more than welcome to kill themselves.
On the other hand, a group of former Swedish Neo-Nazis visited Yad Vashem this week (for the first time) and I was impressed by the sacred work done by Christer Metson.

seraosha
06-04-2008, 12:22 PM
"We can handle our enemies just fine, but God save us from friends like these..."

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a_very_ex_STAB
06-04-2008, 01:08 PM
There's a deep seam of irony emerging here

Vorian
06-04-2008, 01:48 PM
Now I've heard it all. What's next, Al Qaeda wishing US prosperity and happiness?

Lov3ll
06-04-2008, 01:54 PM
It's a coin flip between supporting the Israelis or the Arabs before a lot of the neo-nazis hated the Jews more now since Islamic terrorism in Europe or all the articles on how the muslims are taking over etc. they now side with the Israelis, nevertheless they're still scum.

IDF_TANKER
06-04-2008, 02:05 PM
There's a deep seam of irony emerging here

Dunno about irony, but endless weirdness it is...

Snoshi
06-04-2008, 02:06 PM
It's a coin flip between supporting the Israelis or the Arabs before a lot of the neo-nazis hated the Jews more now since Islamic terrorism in Europe or all the articles on how the muslims are taking over etc. they now side with the Israelis, nevertheless they're still scum.

Exactly.. Right now many neo-nazis see Islam as much bigger threat then Jews and Israel fights "Islam" and enemy of my enemy is my friend works everywhere.. But its good that Israel rejected support from these scum

Mr.Flint
06-04-2008, 02:06 PM
There's a deep seam of irony emerging here
Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?:roll:

pInGu
06-04-2008, 02:39 PM
2 Things.

1st.

Most right-extremists in Germany support the Arabs down there, because of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

2nd.

Right-wing nationalism doesn't necessarily mean to hate Jews, althought it is what happened in Germany.

Never the less, it's a ad idea ;)

Hugiman
06-04-2008, 04:09 PM
no need for your support.

Mr Gently Benevolent
06-04-2008, 04:11 PM
2 Things.

1st.

Most right-extremists in Germany support the Arabs down there, because of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

2nd.

Right-wing nationalism doesn't necessarily mean to hate Jews, althought it is what happened in Germany.

Never the less, it's a ad idea ;)Most Neo Nazis and Third Postition types hate Jews and despise Israel some Neo Nazis do however see Islam as a greater threat than international Zionism.

damagejackal
06-04-2008, 04:56 PM
I guess Its possible for Neo-Nazis to be pro Israel.

The early Nazi party wanted Jews to leave europe for Palestine an Zionism was seen as the best vehicle to acheive that objective.
The conservative British Politician, Arthur Balfour was apparently considered an anti-semite but was also an avowed pro-zionist who supported the establishment of a Jewish Homeland, (Balfour Declaration of 1917).
Nowadays we forget to make any distinction between Jews.

NathS
06-04-2008, 05:12 PM
I don't know what it means, but the logo of this group is a nearly perfect copy of the antifascist movement logo :

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7964/antifaiw5.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=antifaiw5.jpg)

The link with the left-wing is a bit TOO obvious IMHO. And I don't think lefties would associate their symbol with neo-nazism. Honestly i'm lost...

Neo-nazis used by Iran to show how evil are Israel supporters, and trying to put the blame on left-wing if it doesn't work ? THAT kind of plot would be funny :)


Well now I have to go. I'm looking for a tin foil hat.

kamaz
06-04-2008, 05:33 PM
lol now ive seen everything. its like Vegetarians for Sizzler

gilgoul
06-04-2008, 06:06 PM
I'd bet a 100$, for whatever it is worth, that this group has no basis whatsoever, considering the nazi-arab collaboration from 1937 on.
Antisemitism is Antisemitism is Antisemitism, and it's dostrine calls for "eradication" of the Jewish people wherever it may be found.
Hajd Amin al Husseini understood that well enough when he was a guest of Himmler and the "fuhrer", and succeeded to recruit dozens of thousand muslim volunteers for the "muslim waffen SS".
If I was to loose my 100$, I'd say to those ****ers, fet yourself a life and a new political interrest, under the "fuhrer", you'd have been sent to Dachau for some "reeducation".

little icebear
06-04-2008, 07:45 PM
Finaly a worthy adversary for the sect of anti-semitic jews! p-)

Fade
06-04-2008, 07:50 PM
My inner Admiral Ackbar is trying to tell me something....

Thor
06-04-2008, 08:02 PM
The only historical connection I can think of is that Germany in the 1930's wanted to deport the jews to Palestine, but Britain wouldn't let them.

a_very_ex_STAB
06-05-2008, 01:32 AM
Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?:roll:

Should it?

Mr.Flint
06-05-2008, 02:03 AM
Should it?
Thats really up to you.

The_Android
06-05-2008, 02:06 AM
I don't know what it means, but the logo of this group is a nearly perfect copy of the antifascist movement logo :

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7964/antifaiw5.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=antifaiw5.jpg)

The link with the left-wing is a bit TOO obvious IMHO. And I don't think lefties would associate their symbol with neo-nazism. Honestly i'm lost...

Neo-nazis used by Iran to show how evil are Israel supporters, and trying to put the blame on left-wing if it doesn't work ? THAT kind of plot would be funny :)


Well now I have to go. I'm looking for a tin foil hat.

Indeed, one does not need to be rocket scientist to figure out this is something done by extreme left-wingers in the antifa movement to make fun of and humiliate Neo-Nazis. The use of an almost identical logo as AFA is just further evidence of it.