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budanski
06-01-2004, 04:03 PM
Shock waves in Seoul as U.S. to shift 12,000 more troops to Iraq
World Tribune.com (http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_9.html)
EAST-ASIA-INTEL.COM
Tuesday, June 1, 2004

SEOUL – First the Pentagon told the ministry of national defense it plans to transfer a brigade of 3,600 troops from South Korea to Iraq this summer. Now, the Pentagon is telling South Korean officials it wants to scale back the number of U.S. troops in South Korea from 37,000 to 25,000.

The news took the government here by surprise. A Blue House official, talking anonymously to South Korean reporters, barely masked the government's concern: "The realignment should not undermine our national security."

In and out of the government, the realization has now dawned that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had been deadly serious when he spread the word during his visit here last November that the U.S. had a new concept of flexible defense.

The topic is likely to be the main agenda item next week, when U.S. and South Korean officials gather here for the ninth annual talks on the Future of the Alliance Policy Initiative. Ordinarily, the talks would reaffirm the position of both sides of a bright future for the U.S.-Korean alliance and firm resolutions for full cooperation.

However, it is on the sidelines of these talks, Korean officials say, that U.S. and South Korean negotiators will haggle over the U.S. proposal for the biggest reduction of forces here since the 1970s, when the U.S. withdrew a division from the country.

Kim Sung-Han, research professor at the Institute of Foreign Affairs and National Security, reflected the misgivings of the government when he remarked that the need for reinforcements in Iraq meant, "Talks on a reduction of troops have come earlier than expected."

Kim said the United States had not been expected to wind up talks on scaling back its forces in Korea for at least two more years. "The U.S. timetable is now much faster than that," he said.

The presence of the 14,000 troops in the Second Infantry Division, on the invasion route between the Demilitarized Zone and Seoul 30 miles to the South, was not needed in the new view of U.S. strategic planners.

Rather, the whole second division could move south of Seoul to the region around Pyongtaek, near Osan Air Base, about 40 miles below the capital. Local residents may have influenced the Pentagon to decide instead to transfer the 3,600 troops of the second brigade of the Second Division this summer and then to ship the rest of the division sometime next year.

The radical restructuring may have been decreed by what's called the Global Defense Posturing Review or GDR, the Pentagon's blueprint for the future of the U.S. armed forces.

I'm sure all the university students there are all ecstatic about this news. Now they can defend their choices.

Trident-za
06-01-2004, 04:07 PM
Damn... is this a good thing or not? I don't know enough about the Korean situation to pass any comment really, but I'm curious about this. What chance is there of the North Koreans taking advantage?

Secret Squirrel
06-01-2004, 04:11 PM
Damn... is this a good thing or not? I don't know enough about the Korean situation to pass any comment really, but I'm curious asbout this. What chance is there of the North Koreans taking advantaqge?

If I understand the situation correctly, arent the DMZ troops just a show of "force"?

Trident-za
06-01-2004, 04:12 PM
No idea, thats why I'm asking?

budanski
06-01-2004, 04:19 PM
The 38,000 U.S. troops there were meant as a "trip-wire" defense. The problem here is that U.S. troops were within range of North Korean artillery. Rumfeld's concept of "flexible defense" started to change all that a few months ago when U.S. troops are now moved out of NK artillery range and 50 or so miles south of Seoul. The concern here now with the South Koreans is that they are now the ones responsible for their own sacrafice to the defense of their own country.

Ratamacue
06-01-2004, 04:20 PM
Damn... is this a good thing or not? I don't know enough about the Korean situation to pass any comment really, but I'm curious asbout this. What chance is there of the North Koreans taking advantaqge?

If I understand the situation correctly, arent the DMZ troops just a show of "force"?

The DMZ troops were initially a way of preventing the North Koreans to try to pull an invasion stunt again, the idea being that they would have to engage US troops to get through which would be a very unwise decision. I suppose that they serve much the same purpose today except that the South Koreans keep bitching about their presence.

duck
06-01-2004, 04:22 PM
The 38,000 U.S. troops there were meant as a "trip-wire" defense. The problem here is that U.S. troops were within range of North Korean artillery. Rumfeld's concept of "flexible defense" started to change all that a few months ago when U.S. troops are now moved out of NK artillery range and 50 or so miles south of Seoul. The concern here now with the South Koreans is that they are now the ones responsible for their own sacrafice to the defense of their own country.

After the move they are also unable to protect the 50.000+ American and Japanese residents of Seoul who are ideal bargaining chips for PRK special forces troops.

budanski
06-01-2004, 04:24 PM
After the move they are also unable to protect the 50.000+ American and Japanese residents of Seoul who are ideal bargaining chips for PRK special forces troops.
600,000 S Korean soldiers can defend their country long enough for the Stealth bombers to slide in over North Korea to... "negotiate". ;)

BlackRain
06-01-2004, 04:30 PM
It is a good thing for the US to leave South Korea.

If frees up our military resources for other operations in the war on terrorism.

Plus, the new generation of South Koreans do not want us there anymore. They have held many protests in the past few years. http://www.kimsoft.com/2002/anti-US.htm

We do not want to over stay their welcome by one second.

I wish them luck in defending their country.

Mark Sman
06-01-2004, 04:33 PM
If North Korea invades I'm sure the south can count on the UN to defend them right?

Ha ha.

No really, the South Koreans can defend themselves. Not a joke, that is a fact. No doubt US air and naval power would be very helpful.

Plus, the Chinese would freak. No more supllies coming over the Chinese border in that event. If they did, they would be fully armed supplies headed for Pyongyang to take out Looney Tunes the dictator on what he would no doubt latter claim was "A bad hair day."

usa320
06-01-2004, 05:17 PM
I think we should just pull our troops out. Replace em with a handful of B-2's. Sit a few Ticonderago class cruisers off the coast of NK. Problem solved.

Beowulf
06-01-2004, 05:32 PM
Good!

talib_killa34
06-01-2004, 06:49 PM
Ain't that about a bitch. :|
"The realignment should not undermine our national security."

ELINT
06-01-2004, 06:57 PM
I think we should just pull our troops out. Replace em with a handful of B-2's. Sit a few Ticonderago class cruisers off the coast of NK. Problem solved.

Isnt that the present deployment?
A Ticonderoga in the middle of the pacific does just as good job as one close to the shore, and I belive that alot of B2 crews have Pyonyang as pre-planned sorties.... just in case ;)

Isnt NKPR the main reason that the US wants to keep their anti-personell mines? Just to be able to stop a massive (target saturated) fanatic invasion atempt?

AVZ
06-01-2004, 07:07 PM
I don't think NK is going to take "advantage" or invade: too much NBC weapons and of course: NK isn't able to feed it's own people - how should they possibly try to overrun SK????????? They would do just do a lot of damage to the SKoreans but will be the loosers afterwards. So the top ranking NK - "politicians" woon#t try to invade. Hpoe that#s so simple. ;)

talib_killa34
06-01-2004, 07:34 PM
I agree with coming to the ROK's aid in defense of her country.

It just is a shame to see so many new young people today crying about US forces still "occupying" their country and forgetting (or never knowing) the savage fighting that went on there from 1950-1953.

If we are not welcome, then it is time to leave.

I'm not sure if we have any Korean forum readers here but that's what should be done.

Maj12
06-01-2004, 07:58 PM
Haha. Sometimes you get what you wish for. I say let them defend their own damn country from that midget lunatic. rofl

Laworkerbee
06-01-2004, 08:56 PM
Um lets see here

South Korea has a larger population than the North's, that's well fed and not starving like N.Korea.

South Korea's economy is so much larger than North Korea's that its just a joke to compare the two.

South Korean troops have very advanced weaponry, plenty of spare parts, and plenty of fuel, none of these things can be said of the North.

The North doesnt stand a chance against South Korea in a full scale war. South Korea doesnt need the United States for its defence period!.

Michael RVR
06-01-2004, 09:57 PM
I do wonder, if SK has 600,000 troops what are 32,000 US troops doing there ?

If you wanted them to be there for purely political reasons, you dont need that large a number. Keep a base there, sure, global reach missions it makes alot of sense.. But thats a ****load of troops that could probably be put to better use elsewhere, not to mention the cash that'd have to be spent to house their families and whatnot.

;)

mocking_loudly_died
06-01-2004, 09:59 PM
I have a neat shed out the back that needs 32,000 US troops to look after, my neighbors are dodgy bastards.

Fioraon
06-01-2004, 11:06 PM
not to mention the cash that'd have to be spent to house their families and whatnot.

;)

Family doesn't get to go to SK.

TRACER_BULLET
06-01-2004, 11:40 PM
I have a neat shed out the back that needs 32,000 US troops to look after, my neighbors are dodgy bastards.

rofl rofl
The 2nd ID is on the way...
in the mean time a Marine MEU will hold off those dodgy bastards ;)

-edited to add-

I think is good we're pulling troops out of SK they can take care of themselfs.