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Lt-Col A. Tack
06-08-2008, 11:10 AM
KMW, GD Launch Artillery System
Self-propelled Donar will include autonomous operation, remote firing

By THOMAS NEW****
Published: 15 Jun 14:31 EDT (10:31 GMT)

MUNICH - Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) will collaborate with General Dynamics European Land Systems (GDELS) to develop and market a medium-weight 155mm self-propelled artillery system.

The two companies, both leading players in the European land systems market, say the system, known as Donar (after the Teutonic god of thunder), marries medium weight and high mobility with the hitting power of KMW's bigger PzH2000 howitzer.

The weapon system is based on earlier development work undertaken by the German contractor on a program known as the Artillery Gun Module. That mounted a turret on the tracked chassis of a multiple-launch rocket system.

Now the partners are to jointly develop and market the artillery module sporting a .52 caliber 155mm cannon integrated with a modified version of General Dynamics ASCOD 2 infantry fighting vehicle.

In a statement released June 5, the companies said Donar "addresses the growing need for precise indirect-fire capabilities that can augment or even replace close air support operations previously conducted by costly fixed- or rotary-wing aircraft".

The total weight will be in the 32-ton range, allowing transportation in the A400M airlifter. Once deployed, it will be capable of autonomous operation and will feature remote firing. The Donar will operate with a crew of two, who will be protected from shell and mortar splinters within an armored cab. The system is designed to minimize logistic demands.

The armament is a 155mm L/52 weapon that matches the range offered by the PzH 2000, although the ammunition magazine will be reduced from 60 to 30 rounds.

The companies say they aim to sell the system to operators of older self-propelled artillery, such as the widely used M109, BAE Systems AS90 and the Samsung Techwin K9.

A prototype has already begun mobility and firing trials in Germany. The system will get its first public airing at the Eurosatory 2008 exhibition in Paris later this month.

Defense News Link (http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3564956&c=LAN&s=TOP)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4972/060508dndonarvsdtr3.jpg
The Donar self-propelled artillery system will feature autonomous
operation and remote firing. ( Krauss-Maffei Wegmann photo)

RS_Leo1A5
06-09-2008, 02:37 PM
Donar (after the Teutonic god of thunder)
Donar's more well-known Scandinavian name is Thor.

Lt-Col A. Tack
06-09-2008, 02:49 PM
Donar's more well-known Scandinavian name is Thor.

Didn't know that, thanks! Do you have a link?

I did a little looking but didn't find anything.

The Dane
06-09-2008, 02:55 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Thor.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Thor.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor

I hope Denmark will choose this system over the Bofors Archer.

Not because Thor is our old god:) but because it has 10 more rounds ready to fire and the mobility is much better.

Under development the system was called AGM, Artillery Gun Module.
There was also a maritime variant called Monarc.

JoaMei
06-11-2008, 12:52 PM
I was expecting the MRLS-Chassis was just a testbed and they would opt for a wheeled chassis like the Swedes.

Anyway, the AGM can be mounted on a large variety of vehicles.

Lt-Col A. Tack
06-11-2008, 02:29 PM
I was expecting the MRLS-Chassis was just a testbed and they would opt for a wheeled chassis like the Swedes.

Anyway, the AGM can be mounted on a large variety of vehicles.

Is there a dedicated ammunition vehicle being developed concurrently?

Magnus18
01-26-2009, 11:04 AM
are there some new informations about the pzh donar?
will the bundeswehr buy some donars?

User_Name
01-26-2009, 11:11 AM
are there some new informations about the pzh donar?
will the bundeswehr buy some donars?
Why should they, there is the "Panzerhaubitze 2000" for that role.

Silent Reader
01-26-2009, 11:16 AM
Why should they, there is the "Panzerhaubitze 2000" for that role.


the AGM is the same weapon as the PzH2000 - just on a lighter chassis and without much of the armor afaik. so while the AGM is airportable the PzH2000 is not - this is the main difference. And for this reason it might be smart to get some AGMs which could be deployed much faster when the PzH2000 to regions like Afghanistan if needed.

JoaMei
01-26-2009, 11:56 AM
Why should they, there is the "Panzerhaubitze 2000" for that role.

PZH 2000 only replaced a part of the M 109 Howitzers, when the rest is replaced Donar is the best option because its airtransportable.

Itachi
02-10-2009, 11:55 AM
found a nice commercial video about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBJCTXh5AKg&feature=channel_page

JoaMei
02-13-2009, 08:47 AM
I found some Information in another forum that AGM/DONAR was succesfully tested in the CRAM role with naval proximity fuses for the shells. There was a link to janes but it wasnt in the public area.

Any official public link for that?

Sounds like a nice idea, also cost effective against UAV I think. Perhaps against cruise missiles if they arent making random evasive maneouvers.

Not very usefull against combat aircraft however, the shell needs more than 5 seconds to reach a range of 5 km. And a fighter pilot who flys in a straight line for more than 5 seconds in combat deserves to be shot down.

KeroJP4
11-12-2009, 03:43 PM
Any fresh news available ?

Due to production or not ?