Macedonian grave sites vandalized in Australia

[Zombie Squad]

Sydney /16/06/ 13:14
Dozens of Macedonian grave sites have been desecrated at a cemetery in NSW's Illawarra region, Australia.

Police say 37 grave sites were vandalized, with headstones and vases smashed and religious items thrown around the Kembla Grange lawn cemetery, south of Wollongong, over the weekend.

The Macedonian section of the cemetery was strewn with smashed religious icons, glass from display cases and broken sentimental items.

The Illawarra Macedonian community is devastated by the desecration of the grave sites which occurred during Duhovden, an annual three-day rite.

"My heart is broken. I just cannot believe that anybody could do such a horrible thing," said Tomislav Nedeski, whose wife was buried at Illawarra cemetery.

Lake Illawarra police Inspector Greg Heat said the vandalism was "a deplorable act" showing a lack of respect for those who had passed away.

"This senseless crime also affects people who have laid their loved ones here to rest," Inspector Heat said. /end/

http://www.makfax.com.mk/cgi-bin/get_img?NrImage=2&NrArticle=115306

http://www.makfax.com.mk/look/novina/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=2&NrArticle=115306&NrIssue=686&NrSection=30

[Connaught Ranger]

Scum is the only word that can be used to describe the low lives who did this,

When caught they should have their arms and legs broken.

[SrB-23Q]

i live in the Illawarra region..this is such a shame :(
i dont know who would do something like this.

[Zombie Squad]

Cowards, why involve the dead in any dispute.

[The Balkan]

I'm guessing some pissed off Greeks are around...

[Paya]

No need to point the finger on anybody until the Police gets the perpetrators.

Yes, it could be Greeks, it could be Albanians, it could even be Serbs. But it could also be satanists, or simply stupid drunken locals.

In any case, as someone mentioned, a bit of leg breaking is in order.

[Mordoror]

I'm guessing some pissed off Greeks are around...

hum possible but do not throw oil on the fire so quickly and let the police do its job
the conclusion will come after

off course if it is proven that it is a greek or a greek origin personn who is responsible, it will rott a little more the Greece - Macedonia relationship

PS : Paya you have been quicker than me on that answer ...

[The Balkan]

No need to point the finger on anybody until the Police gets the perpetrators.

Yes, it could be Greeks, it could be Albanians, it could even be Serbs. But it could also be satanists, or simply stupid drunken locals.

In any case, as someone mentioned, a bit of leg breaking is in order.

maybe it's ZEE NIHILISTS!!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/19/120577182_b2c1266b4d.jpg?v=0


WE BELIVE IN NAZING LEBOWSKI!

ja, nazing.

[deagle]

i hope they catch/punish those responsible.

[Peris]

to be honest reading the title i wondered: are there any ancient Macedonian graves found in Australia:roll:? but watching the mak news link i got the picture.


Now the incident is punishable both legally and morally.

[Peris]

Yes, it could be Greeks, it could even be Serbs.
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yes it makes sense Serb and Greeks orthodoxes to vandalise other nation's Christian Orthodox graves:roll:

[The Balkan]

yes it makes sense Serb and Greeks orthodoxes to vandalise other nation's Christian Orthodox graves:roll:

Not everything's about religion guy, just being the same fiath doesn't mean automatic "brotherhood". They're MACEDONIAN graves, that's they key word. That's like saying Greeks can't beef with Macedonia...which they obviosly are.

[Mordoror]

yes it makes sense Serb and Greeks orthodoxes to vandalise other nation's Christian Orthodox graves:roll:

welcome in a marvelous world where the sense of the sense is lost for a lot of people

aside that, just to make a rebound point on your words, is it not true that some Greeks consider macedonians as heretics because of some church issue ?

anyway like said by Balkan, it is unlikely to be a religious matter

either a political one (Skinhead somebody or any racist group ?)
pure balkanic one (Greek vs Macedonia vs Albania vs ...... you know the story ...)
a sheer stupid action (drunk youth or punks)
more stupid (satanists or any kind of that scums)

just wait for the police investigation ....

[Peris]

just wait for the police investigation ....


yes wait and hope they were not Fyromians who acted like this to defame Albanians or Greeks living in Australia. This is an option, toop-)

[Mordoror]

hope they were not Fyromians who acted like this to defame Albanians or Greeks living in Australia. This is an option, toosorry not to find that funny :cantbeli:and adding a smiley do not help

it keep my word but you are on the edge of making me very upset

i am trying to be reasonnable instead of rushing to the easiest option a macedonian nationalist would have thought off ("look that have done some punny greeks, it can only be one of them") : as i said nothing say or proves that until now this incident is related to some Greek-Macedonian issue (and i hope it will not be .....)

and you, you act like everytime you (or some of you fellows) have the habit on any thread entitled FYROM/Macedonia/Greece i.e : everything that arrive to Macedonia is its 100 % own fault and everything that arrive to Macedonia is a macedonian long thought conspiracy to make the whole world have pity of that tiny country

sorry but in that case the joke (but is it a joke ???? *hum hum*) is a little difficult to swallow

[Zombie Squad]

^ You see, they see this a JOKE.

[Peris]

^ You see, they see this a JOKE.


the vandalised graves are a serious issue but you are undermining its importance by trying to turn an act totally contemned by most people into a political thing.

Now if those were Greek graves i would have reported it like this:'' Graves were vandalised in this place......... and the valdals destoyed graves in the Greek part of the cemetery.

But you feel the need to shout your callsign ''Macedonia'' in every keystroke.

[Peris]

I'm guessing some pissed off Greeks are around...


around?where?:roll:

[Mordoror]

here we go again for another greeko-macedonian/macedono-greek/fyromo-hellenic/hellenico-fyromian party time

let's make that thread to rest until somebody can say who has done that and for why

until that, any other discussion of things discussed hundred of times are unuseful and of little respect for the already desacralized dead ....

[Peris]

let's make that thread to rest until somebody can say who has done that and for why
..


agreed. who has any news pls report it.

[The Balkan]

lol it could just be some aussies who hate balkan people as a whole. there's alot of them in australia.

[Paya]

yes it makes sense Serb and Greeks orthodoxes to vandalise other nation's Christian Orthodox graves:roll:
Hey, I'm Serb, I'm Orthodox, and I find this whole affair horrible, not because I'm a Christian, but simply because I have dead relatives, and I would go berserk if anybody vandalized their final resting places. I'm sure that is true with you (well, except the Serb part).

However, I don't know about the Greeks, but diaspora Serbs tend to be more extreme in their views then us living here. Would they desecrate graves, I highly doubt it, usually thrashing a Croat bar does it for them, but one never knows.

Anyway, neither Balkan ethnic group is my first suspect. Some Romper Stomper kind of idiots are.


lol it could just be some aussies who hate balkan people as a whole. there's alot of them in australia.
The kind the Balkan mentions here.

[PeterRJG]

Let me throw this out there as an Australian. There'd be a hell of a lot less "hate" if many of the Balkans didn't bring their BS with them and handed down this generations-old feuding to their children who were born here. My father is a Cypriot Greek - I kind of know whereof I speak here.

It's like writer Robert G. Barrett said when summing up the Bonnyrigg issues: "These Slovenian dogs burned down my village in 1120 AD! Death to these dogs! Revenge!" or words to that effect. Yes, he was taking the piss, and rightly so.

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/showthread.php?t=28002

Someone needs to HTFU and it isn't the "hateful" Australians

I strongly doubt the grave vandalism was performed by 'skippy' Australians. The average Australian neither really knows nor cares what a Macedonia is.

[Paya]

There'd be a hell of a lot less "hate" if many of the Balkans didn't bring their BS with them and handed down this generations-old feuding to their children who were born here.
True enough.


I strongly doubt the grave vandalism was performed by 'skippy' Australians. The average Australian neither really knows nor cares what a Macedonia is.
Nobody is suspecting the average Australian. It's the odd shaven-head, spitfire jacket-wearing, outsider-hating Australian that is the primary suspect. For me, at least.

EDIT: As for the link you gave, I'm slightly disgusted and slightly embarrassed with what's written there.

[digrar]

I'd be inclined to agree, the average Aussie wouldn't know the difference between the different parties in that part of the world. Those that do probably are a bit above desecrating graves.
My take would be yobbo bogans see shiny thing and tries to break it, or someone from your part of the world who has bought their issues to our country.

[The Balkan]

Let me throw this out there as an Australian. There'd be a hell of a lot less "hate" if many of the Balkans didn't bring their BS with them and handed down this generations-old feuding to their children who were born here. My father is a Cypriot Greek - I kind of know whereof I speak here.

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First time I heard the word "wog" was from an Aussie. I was like wtf is a wog? Then it was explained to me Lol.

[epictetus]

Let's just sit on it and le the police figure this one out, if they can. Trying to investigate this cases is hard since there are no witneses. Hopefully it will be some drunk punks and nothing else. The Balkans got enough **** to deal with as it is.

[Homer]

There is no way any Greek would go and vandalise an Orthodox site, regardless of it being a FYROM'ian one.

Greece and FYROM may have disputes, but I don't think the level of mistrust/hatred/anger, has reached such a point, were it is open season on each others sacred sites.

About a month or two ago a Greek Orthodox church in Melbourne was set on fire.
In the United States, a Greek Orthodox church was robbed.
Should we blame FYROM or its people like some in here are blaming Greeks(without proof) for vandalizing Orthodox graves? Why is this even a topic on this site? How is it political or military related? It is a random act of vandalism on graves which occurs often in Australia. I think the original poster should drop his agenda.

[PeterRJG]

http://illawarra.yourguide.com.au/news/local/news/general/heartbreak-over-cemetery-attack/789736.aspx

Not an isolated and one-off incident either. According to this article, it's happened to graves in other Illawarra areas.

Grave desecration is a low act no matter who perpetrates it.

[Zarkus]

to be honest reading the title i wondered: are there any ancient Macedonian graves found in Australia:roll:? but watching the mak news link i got the picture.


Now the incident is punishable both legally and morally.

Here, maybe this would put things in neutral perspective.

http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,23871686-5005940,00.html

[SrB-23Q]

No need to point the finger on anybody until the Police gets the perpetrators.

Yes, it could be Greeks, it could be Albanians, it could even be Serbs. But it could also be satanists, or simply stupid drunken locals.

In any case, as someone mentioned, a bit of leg breaking is in order.

trust me its not Serbs...Serbs and Macos get along very well down here :)
i mean where dont they get along :S never heard of any trouble with Serbs and Macos before.

[kahn267]

Not to alleviate the sincerity of this topic, but my community has had to deal with grave desecration going as far back as anyone can remember - Part of being Jewish, yes even in such a tolerable society like Australia. It makes one sad when these sort of things occur, because it is like an attack on someone innocent. They end up affecting innocent people who've had the pain of saying goodbye to their loved ones and then have their memories tarnished by some acts so juvenile and pathetic on their gravesite. Its really one of the lowest things to do

[SrB-23Q]

^^^^ xx2 ^^^^

[Mordoror]

About a month or two ago a Greek Orthodox church in Melbourne was set on fire.
In the United States, a Greek Orthodox church was robbed.
Should we blame FYROM or its people like some in here are blaming Greeks(without proof) for vandalizing Orthodox graves?you get the point ....
we are here discussing on a perhaps, eventually, it may have be, possibly event done by possibly, eventually, who knows people

"not guilty until proven so"

do not put more oil on the Balkan mess fire, it will not help and will serve well nobody
Balkans events are already scourged by a lot of time unproven rumours
We do not need to add one

let the cops do their job before accusating such and such .....

[Cobber15-08]

Why are you people even talking about this? what has it got to do with world Military's and Photo's there of?
This is obviously no where near the Balkans or anywhere but central NSW.
Get over yourself's people.

[Homer]

Mordor I wasn't trying to add more fuel to the fire. I would say this thread is doing that.
I was making a point.
And you should probably read the thread and see who is accusing who.

And I absolutely agree with Cobber. This issue is nothing to do with military or political discussions. It is obvious what the intention was by the op.

[Mordoror]

Mordor I wasn't trying to add more fuel to the fire. I would say this thread is doing that.
I was making a point.
And you should probably read the thread and see who is accusing who.


@Homer
sorry if you felt directling concerned by my asking to "calm down the things"
it was not directed to you especially :oops:
(in fact it was not directed to you at all, you have said exactly what i feel no more no less, it was just a general asking to every Balkan Brick Heads (whom we have some kind on this forum :roll: ) to do not open a dispute on something which may even be not related to their own issue and agendas until proven so
(and by that i mean all the sides, "yours and mine" , go back some posts before and you will see what i want to mean .....)

so no offense to you anymore, i hope .....