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Mr.Flint
06-16-2008, 09:54 PM
I shamelessly stole this from a blog,
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2008/06/under-cover-the-hand-that-rocks-the-crad/index.shtml
http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archive/2008/06/john-roy-carlson-under-cover/index.shtml

this is a an excerpt from a 1943 book called
"Under cover; my four years in the nazi underworld of America--the amazing revelation of how axis agents and our enemies within are now plotting to destroy the United States"
by John Roy Carlson aka Arthur Derounian.


In February, 1941 through "chain" recommendations from one American Fascist to another, I was urged to go as a delegate with the Paul Revere Sentinels leaving for Washington to sabotage passage of the Lend-Lease Bill. When I phoned Sanctuary he urged me to come and pick up a "package of patriotic literature."
He loaded me down with a huge bundle containing a variety of anti-war, anti-Semitic leaflets, with instructions to give it to Charles Hudson. "If he's not there Mrs. Dilling will do," he said. About twenty-five of us from the Paul Revere Sentinels and the Christian Front arrived in Washington on the morning of February 26, 1941. Mrs. Dilling was in charge of the Mothers' Movement and the lobby of the Plaza Hotel was crowded with a wild, milling mob of women and some men.
"This is my thundering herd," Mrs. Dilling told me. "How do you like it?"
She was perfect in the role of a herd leader.
"Come on, mothers," she yelled. "Let's picket the Senate Building."
Sixty or more women rushed to the exits and took their places in line, carrying American flags. Round and round the Senate Building they went singing The Star-Spangled Banner and Battle Hymn of the Republic. Watching from the opposite sidewalk with other men, the demonstration struck me as pointless. Getting no attention from reporters Mrs. Dilling decided to storm the Capitol steps, hoping for publicity by violating Capitol ordinances. The cops promptly stopped the mob, which was just what Mrs. Dilling wanted. It broke into a howl.
"Don't you dare tell us we can't parade with our sacred American flags."
"The are the flags of our Republic, but wouldn't know that, you Jew stooges," one woman yelled.
"I'll bet it was the internationalists who made the laws."
"Is this America? Who runs this country, the Americans or the internationalist Jews?"
The cops laughed good-naturedly and gently pushed them back. I was amazed at their patience in the face of the abuse and clawing. There was a sentimental side to the scene. Some of the mothers began to cry over sons or husbands killed in the World War. I could sympathize with that and my heart went out to these sincere mothers, for I knew the tragedies that war can bring. But prominent among the mothers was a tall gawky woman who reminded me of the professional weepers the Nazis sent into France to weep in public places and lower morale. When this woman began to cry again, I asked who she was.
"Her name is Miss Rooney," I was told in confidence. "She always cries."
And whenever she cried the short, roly-poly Polish woman from South Bend, Indiana invariably followed. Both began to bawl in sight of reporters, several others began to take out handkerchiefs, and the thing gave signs of spreading through the mob when some of the more farsighted ones put a stop to the crying jag.
"Don't start that now," one of the women whispered to Miss Rooney. "Wait till Mrs. Dilling gets back."
Mrs. Dilling who had quietly gone off, came back panting with the announcement that Congressman Clare E. Hoffman had agreed to see them.
"There, now, there is a Christian man for you," came in a chorus.
The pack instantly fell into line to follow Mrs. Dilling. One the way over they knelt on the dirty sidewalk and committed the sacrilege of reciting the Lord's Prayer -- for the benefit of newspaper reporters and photographers. Anything which publicized their shameful conduct was deemed "patriotic." A man of fanatic leaning, Representative Hoffman received the herd, commended their "patriotism" and said:
"Apparently the Red flag of Communists and the flag of every other organization and country is today more welcome here in Washington than is the flag which carries the Stars and Stripes."
Led by Hoffman, the pack milled its way down to Roy O. Woodruff, Hoffman's colleague from Michigan. Here the Congressmen posed for photographers, while Mrs. Dilling held a placard "Kill Bill 1776 -- Not Our Boys" and Hoffman held the flag. So Mrs. Dilling finally got the publicity she craved.
[...]
Publicity became the mania of their leaders in order to create the impression that their stunts represented the majority of American mothers. This was far from true. "News crazy" reporters, however, provided wide publicity to such stunts as the hanging in effigy of Senator Claude "Benedict Arnold" Pepper and the "death watch" in which mothers dressed completely in black and sat in Senate and House galleries. They badgered officials hostile to appeasement, but were received with open arms by those who thought in like terms. And these Coughlinite Mothers' groups, noisy and discordant, later became another gear within the multiple-geared America First Committee of organized appeasement and defeatism.
The Chicago group -- We, the Mothers, Mobilize for America, Inc. -- reached the lowest ebb of unmotherly infamy when over the signature of Mrs. Grace Keefe, it sent a letter to a Louisiana mother mourning the death of her son on the high seas:
Legal experts advise that if any soldier, draftee, or otherwise, loses his life while executing orders which his superiors have no constitutional authority to give, then those official can be sued as private citizens. We owe it to our loved dead, to the country for which they died, to call to account those who violated our Constitution and heartlessly placed our men in the danger zone between two warring nations while we are at peace... We, the mothers of American boys, beg you to place the blame for the death of your son where it belongs, and not be deceived by propaganda into blaming a foreign power. In the name of justice, we ask you to call to justice the real murderers of your loved one.
"Impeach Roosevelt" became the cry...
Replace Mother's Movement with Code Pink or Raging Grannies,
replace Internationalist with Zionist, Imperialist, or simply NeoCon
replace Jew stooge with Zionist, AIPAC, or NeoCon stooge
replace America First Committee with ANSWER or World Cant Wait
and finally replace Roosevelt with you know who....

WarriorMonk
06-16-2008, 10:41 PM
"professional weepers sent by Nazis"

That's a pretty bold statement: does he have proof?

boone
06-16-2008, 10:42 PM
"professional weepers sent by Nazis"

That's a pretty bold statement: does he have proof?
He might have in 1943.:|

Mr.Flint
06-16-2008, 10:42 PM
"professional weepers sent by Nazis"

That's a pretty bold statement: does he have proof?
This could shine some light on that statement
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,764180-1,00.html

Createdeemcee
06-16-2008, 10:57 PM
buwahahahahahahaha!

philbob
06-17-2008, 12:33 AM
i can see it

WarDancer
06-17-2008, 03:22 AM
I think its a valid argument. The American left is behaving very much like the brown shirts of Nazi Germany during the early 30's. The left is the only group who dont hide the fact they are all about suppressing free speech. Their attack on alternative science (disagreeing with global warming), bashing religeon and quashing individual freedoms are all hallmarks of fascism which the left in America has now embraced.

One need only to look at the college campuses of America where, ironically, dissent is stifled. David Horowitz, a right wing promoter, is regularly shouted down and attacked as are Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter whenever they go on the college lecture circuit.

Hitler, Mussolini and Franco would be proud of Moveon.org, code pink and George Soros.

Marshall_Nord
06-17-2008, 06:51 AM
I think its a valid argument. The American left is behaving very much like the brown shirts of Nazi Germany during the early 30's. The left is the only group who dont hide the fact they are all about suppressing free speech. Their attack on alternative science (disagreeing with global warming), bashing religeon and quashing individual freedoms are all hallmarks of fascism which the left in America has now embraced.

Don't forget wanting to take away the right to bear arms.

Calanen
06-17-2008, 06:55 AM
Don't forget wanting to take away the right to bear arms.

The extremes of left and right are not so different from each other.

Mackie
06-17-2008, 07:41 AM
You know what "Nazi" means?

This should explain this low difference between right and left.

Invisigoth
06-17-2008, 08:22 AM
"The left is the only group who dont hide the fact they are all about suppressing free speech." - Yeah, right :)

Dominique
06-17-2008, 08:47 AM
The extremes of left and right are not so different from each other.

They're both populated with loud mouthed, self important asses, who "Know what's best for America." If either of these groups wants to know who's ruining America, all they have to do is look in the mirror. Instead of actually trying to solve some of the many problems we now face, the put the majority of their time an energy into pointing fingers and crying about what "they" are doing.

Stonewall71
06-17-2008, 09:23 AM
The American left is behaving very much like the brown shirts of Nazi Germany during the early 30's. The left is the only group who dont hide the fact they are all about suppressing free speech


didn't knew the american left was rulling for the past 8 years...:roll:

chas
06-17-2008, 10:10 AM
Replace Mother's Movement with Code Pink or Raging Grannies,
replace Internationalist with Zionist, Imperialist, or simply NeoCon
replace Jew stooge with Zionist, AIPAC, or NeoCon stooge
replace America First Committee with ANSWER or World Cant Wait
and finally replace Roosevelt with you know who....

WOW! at stupidity. i f you really believe that, you must be retarded. If you believe you can convince anyone about this, then you are not the brightest bulb either.

I knew it would take an israeli to be the first to agree with this crap: we commies hate jews, right?

RICHICOQUI
06-17-2008, 10:38 AM
WOW! at stupidity. i f you really believe that, you must be retarded. If you believe you can convince anyone about this, then you are not the brightest bulb either.

I knew it would take an israeli to be the first to agree with this crap: we commies hate jews, right? first you can disagree with him BUT don't flame him no one on this board is "retarded" keep it civil!!:bash:

WarDancer
06-17-2008, 12:19 PM
didn't knew the american left was rulling for the past 8 years...:roll:

Give me one American who hs been unlawfully imprisoned for a free speech violation under the Patriot Act...........Didnt think so. Yet the Dems are out trying to pass a bill that would effectively shut down right wing radio. Look at what happend to Limbaugh, Harry Reid tried passing a resolution condeming a statement Limbaugh made on air. Here is an elected official trying to silence a private citizen!!:bash:

Thor
06-17-2008, 12:24 PM
Replace Mother's Movement with Code Pink or Raging Grannies,
replace Internationalist with Zionist, Imperialist, or simply NeoCon
replace Jew stooge with Zionist, AIPAC, or NeoCon stooge
replace America First Committee with ANSWER or World Cant Wait
and finally replace Roosevelt with you know who....
Please tell me you're not this stupid.

"Nazi" has become the new buzzword used to label any political opponent. I'm sick and tired of it.

little icebear
06-17-2008, 12:36 PM
The American left...

Did not know that there is such a thing. Guess it depends on the definition of what "left" actually is.
The only leftist Americans I´ve met so far would be some college student who are into pot-smoking and ranting about social topics and anti-war stuff... and most of them will stop being "left" once they have finished college and need to find themselves a job.

From a European point of view, there is no such thing as an American Left that is influential enough to be noticed.
At least amongst politicians... there are some (few) Hollywood celebrities and artists who´d deserve this label.
Whatever... M*A*S*H was a great movie. p-)

Thor
06-17-2008, 12:49 PM
Did not know that there is such a thing. Guess it depends on the definition of what "left" actually is.
I disagree. Obama in many ways is a left-wing radical. His proposed level of protectionism in regard to trade, his attitude towards terrorism etc. corresponds to a position to the left of the centre-left here. Should he get elected it will probably signal the end of the American Empire as we know it.


From a European point of view, there is no such thing as an American Left that is influential enough to be noticed.
On the contrary there is no such thing as an European Right that is influential enough to be noticed. Mainstream politics in Europe is all very left-wing regardless of party affiliation. This is due to the post-WWII legacy and the pacification process.

little icebear
06-17-2008, 01:02 PM
As I said... it´s a matter of perspective. It takes a very far right conservative JohnWayne-style point of view, to label Obama a "left-wing radical".

You don´t even have something like European-Style Social Democrats in the USA and the Social Democrats base of voters are far from being a "radical left" for what it´s worth... the majority of the Democrats are way to much in or at least near the center of the political spectrum to qualify as "leftist".
But of course - when you´re a die-hard conservative you´ll call them leftist.

Thor
06-17-2008, 01:13 PM
As I said... it´s a matter of perspective. It takes a very far right conservative JohnWayne-style point of view, to label Obama a "left-wing radical".
No, and I gave you a few examples. His positions in many issues corresponds to a position to the left of the European centre-left. Some time ago I stumbled upon some blog that featured a throughout comparison of Obama's proposed policies and statements to those of the Social Democratic Party here.

To what's already known you could also add what he really thinks but intentionally doesn't say. His church affiliation gives you a good idea about that.


the majority of the Democrats are way to much in or at least near the center of the political spectrum to qualify as "leftist".
I didn't say the Democrats were, I said that Obama was.

el borracho
06-17-2008, 03:52 PM
I wouldn't call it "the left," but rather "the extreme left." If being left means that I'm concerned with social issues, the environment, and disagree with most of Bush's policies, then I'm guilty as charged. However, I don't believe in global warming, I will never support any measure to limit free speech and am very critical of the pro-homo****** and pro-feminist movements prevalent today. I'm also a proponent of small government, which is (or used to be :roll:) a Republican trademark. If I get into a political argument with someone from West Texas, I'm sure I'll be labeled a leftie. If I get into an argument with someone from Berkeley CA, they'd think the opposite.

Stonewall71
06-17-2008, 03:58 PM
"American left" is similar to "European Center-Right" :roll:

LineDoggie
06-17-2008, 10:32 PM
didn't knew the american left was rulling for the past 8 years...:roll:

Um, sorry but I haven't found anyone Jailed by the Current Admin for excercising their Free Speech.

Mr.Flint
06-18-2008, 02:35 PM
WOW! at stupidity. i f you really believe that, you must be retarded. If you believe you can convince anyone about this, then you are not the brightest bulb either.

I knew it would take an israeli to be the first to agree with this crap: we commies hate jews, right?
Well then make a coherent and factual refutation of my comparison, rather than spewing insults.

My comparison is valid - both used similar rhetoric and tactics, just the names changed.

as for commies hating jews? that is actually a fact. Jewish commies hate Jews too.
Hell, a local commie rag uses a picture of Putin with Russia's Chief Rabbi as a proof for Putin being Zionist stooge.


Please tell me you're not this stupid.

"Nazi" has become the new buzzword used to label any political opponent. I'm sick and tired of it.
What that has to do with the comparison? or are you trying to say there were no Nazis in war time America?
Or perhaps you simply failed to understand what im trying to show?


I wouldn't call it "the left," but rather "the extreme left." If being left means that I'm concerned with social issues, the environment, and disagree with most of Bush's policies, then I'm guilty as charged. However, I don't believe in global warming, I will never support any measure to limit free speech and am very critical of the pro-homo****** and pro-feminist movements prevalent today. I'm also a proponent of small government, which is (or used to be :roll:) a Republican trademark. If I get into a political argument with someone from West Texas, I'm sure I'll be labeled a leftie. If I get into an argument with someone from Berkeley CA, they'd think the opposite.
Maybe, although ive seen plenty of what you could call moderate left, subscribing to the views of code pink, or answer....
btw IMHO you are a centrist :)