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Firetxmi
06-21-2008, 07:41 PM
Saudi Arabia Will Raise Oil Output 2% in July to Curb Prices

By Maher Chmaytelli and Ayesha Daya

June 22 (Bloomberg) -- Saudi Arabia, which convenes a meeting of government and business leaders today to discuss world energy markets, said it will raise its oil production by 2 percent in July in a bid to curb record prices.

Production will increase by 200,000 barrels a day to 9.7 million barrels starting in July, Saudi Oil Minister Ali al- Naimi told reporters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, yesterday. State- owned Saudi Aramco will soon add 500,000 barrels, or 4.6 percent, to the kingdom's total capacity with its Khursaniyah field.

Oil doubled in the past year, touching a record $139.89 a barrel on June 16, as investors bought commodities to hedge against a weakening U.S. dollar and concern mounted that demand is growing faster than supply. The advent of $4 a gallon gasoline in the U.S. sparked concern the economy may slip into recession.

``It is the policy of Saudi Arabia to satisfy the market need when there is a need,'' said Prince Abdulaziz Bin Salman, the kingdom's deputy oil minister. Salman warned that more production may not lower prices because he said the increased prices have been caused by speculators, a stand that is disputed by consuming nations.

``It's not about quick fixes,'' he told reporters. ``The measure of success of the meeting should not be whether it will make prices go down the day after tomorrow.''

OPEC members including Libya, Algeria, Iran and Venezuela are opposed to increasing production. Libya's top oil official, Shokri Ghanem, yesterday said his country may have to cut its own production in response to the Saudi move.

`Plenty of Oil'

``We don't see any need for more oil,'' Ghanem told reporters in Jeddah. ``There is plenty of oil in the market.''

World oil use this year will climb 800,000 barrels a day, or 1 percent, as demand increases in emerging markets, the International Energy Agency estimates. Stagnating production from Russia and the North Sea are also contributing to higher prices, which have touched off strikes, riots and accelerating inflation around the world.

``A tight market,'' is driving prices up, U.S. Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman told reporters in Jeddah, rejecting the argument made by producers that speculators are to blame.

The market needs between 3 million and 4 million barrels a day of spare oil production capacity, compared with the 2 million barrels a day currently available, Bodman said.

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries says it has 3 million barrels a day of spare capacity. The kingdom has 2 million barrels a day of spare capacity, a Saudi official told reporters, with the rest divided among other members. The 13- member group supplies 40 percent of the world's oil.

`Huge Profit'

Investment funds and traders made ``huge profit'' over the past two years by speculating on oil, Ibrahim Muhanna, an adviser to the Saudi oil minister, said in comments published in Asharq al-Awsat newspaper. Investors are buying and selling crude futures to make up for losses suffered in the U.S. sub- prime mortgage crisis, and as a hedge against inflation caused by the depreciation of the dollar, he said.

``It's one of the most important reasons for the crazy increase in price,'' Muhanna said. ``There is a balance in supply and demand, stockpiles are at their five-year average.''

Saudi Arabia, OPEC and the IEA, which advises 27 oil importing nations on energy policy, agreed on a draft document to be discussed by the summit, bin Salman said. The draft outlines causes of price fluctuations and suggests ways to ensure stability.

Gathering Data

The draft provides for ``gathering more data about the activity of index funds that are assessing oil futures artificially,'' according to a draft in Arabic of the document shown to Bloomberg by an OPEC delegation in Jeddah and confirmed by a European Union participant.

The draft calls for increased investments in oil production and refining, and strengthening dialogue between consumers and producers on oil demand and stockpiles, he said.

The EU will seek at the meeting to have a commitment from Saudi Arabia that it would continue ramping up production after July, said a European minister who declined to be named ahead of the summit.

Saudi Arabia said in May it would increase production by 300,000 barrels a day this month in response to requests from consumers. The announcement came during a visit by U.S. President George W. Bush.

Indonesia, which last month said it may quit OPEC because of falling production, would like to see lower oil prices, Oil Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said.

More than 35 countries, seven international organizations and 25 oil companies and are scheduled to take part in the one- day summit to be chaired by Saudi's King Abdullah.

Link:http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aLwzvHrIZcos&refer=home#

Createdeemcee
06-22-2008, 01:28 AM
Thank you saudi's!

Adux
06-22-2008, 02:20 AM
The Oil producing countries of the Middle east earned a combined $1.3 Trillion Dollars in the last 2 years.

WarDancer
06-22-2008, 03:16 AM
Thank you sir, may I have another?

Calanen
06-22-2008, 03:18 AM
Wont make a damn bit of difference. Even if the Saudis pushed production to their limit, an extra 1 million barrels a day or so - it wont slow demand. Only an economic slowdown can do that.

Adux
06-22-2008, 03:22 AM
Time to find something that wont run on OIL,

Excalibur
06-22-2008, 07:34 AM
Time to find something that wont run on OIL,
agree ... time to get back to horses, donkeys, camels, elephants ....

Adux
06-22-2008, 07:49 AM
agree ... time to get back to horses, donkeys, camels, elephants ....

lol, I was hoping anything that will give you better efficenency than a internal combustion engine. How about a nuke powered car or something..

Excalibur
06-22-2008, 08:47 AM
How about a nuke powered car or something..

bad idea, every car owner will be suspected in developing nuclear weapon rofl

khukuri
06-22-2008, 09:03 AM
I think the saudis should not have done this.


If anything the oil in usa should start getting drilled.

Adux
06-22-2008, 10:57 AM
bad idea, every car owner will be suspected in developing nuclear weapon rofl

About time we start getting ready for the Jetson's age. No More mid-east Oil.

Salman
06-22-2008, 11:05 AM
About time we start getting ready for the Jetson's age. No More mid-east Oil.

Im not trying to be disrespectful but India's and China's economic growth will ensure that the demand for ME oil will remain strong and grow....the oil wells will run dry well before the need for oil is curbed. Im not sure even the west can supress their own demand in time..

Salman
06-22-2008, 11:09 AM
I think the saudis should not have done this.


If anything the oil in usa should start getting drilled.


The saudis should increase as much as possible to keep the price down, otherwise we will see a huge increase in R&D to replace oil in all sectors as many roads will become "economically feasible". But then again the question is if they can increase so much more...50% of their exports comes from one single aged oil field. The older the well gets the smaller the production will be.

Adux
06-22-2008, 11:12 AM
Oil is a drug.

especial
06-22-2008, 11:48 AM
I think the saudis should not have done this.


If anything the oil in usa should start getting drilled.
The US will not drill in their land. For the reason that the leaders of the US in the past, expected demand for oil would only increase as time passed. And as long as the ME countries continue to deplete their oil the US will be the sole decider in the price of oil once it has the largest reserve.
US>liberal thinking

Salman
06-22-2008, 11:59 AM
US "conventional" oil reserves are insignificant.

khukuri
06-22-2008, 12:08 PM
The US will not drill in their land. For the reason that the leaders of the US in the past, expected demand for oil would only increase as time passed. And as long as the ME countries continue to deplete their oil the US will be the sole decider in the price of oil once it has the largest reserve.
US>liberal thinking


thats exactly why the saudis should not drill more. I get annoyed of the americans here who whine on the saudis when they got almost just as much oil.

especial
06-22-2008, 12:14 PM
US "conventional" oil reserves are insignificant.
not true:|

WarDancer
06-22-2008, 12:46 PM
The untapped oil on American soil and off its shores are more than the entire ME combined. If the US just threatened to drill the price would drop. Speculation, speculation, speculation!!

Adux
06-22-2008, 12:54 PM
But can that Oil be drilled in a cost -effective, is middle east oil going to be cheaper.

Gman3ID
06-22-2008, 01:27 PM
But can that Oil be drilled in a cost -effective, is middle east oil going to be cheaper.

The fact is we currently refuse to drill on the available acreage we already own, almost thirty million acres of federally owned property!!! That's where we need to start, it takes almost ten years from the time the drill to see one drop in the gas tank! Oil is a huge problem, And the biggest problem within it , is the money! It will be interesting in the next 5 to 10 years to see where the energy "pie" is sliced up, because right now it's not benefiting me. I dont own the stock, I dont believe its environmently healthy, And I dont believe in the people who sell it to us.

Oil is badp-)

timetraveller
06-22-2008, 02:06 PM
lol, I was hoping anything that will give you better efficenency than a internal combustion engine. How about a nuke powered car or something..


Alcohol powered engines is a possibility , when you look at the some of the cash gone into engines designs from the drawing board to reality i'm sure Car makers have at some point thought about this ?

Anyone remember the classic scene from "Whisky Galore " The truck runs out of fuel only for someone to pour a bottle in the fuel tank .. and off it goes ...

deagle
06-22-2008, 04:00 PM
how much of the 2% will the US see, and will that have an effect ? (compared to distribution to the world).

2Sheds_Jackson
06-22-2008, 04:03 PM
US "conventional" oil reserves are insignificant.

That's true- the US has only about 3 years of conventional oil remaining on it's soil. But it has some 100+ years of oil in the form of shale oil...that's economically profitable to extract so long as oil remains over about $70 a barrel. Last I looked, oil was almost twice that.

Adux
06-22-2008, 04:06 PM
That's true- the US has only about 3 years of conventional oil remaining on it's soil. But it has some 100+ years of oil in the form of shale oil...that's economically profitable to extract so long as oil remains over about $70 a barrel. Last I looked, oil was almost twice that.

Thanks for that.:)

dava
06-22-2008, 04:16 PM
So why are they not using those resources?
Not because its a gov conspiracy but because they encounter a lot of difficulties when trying to convert those deposits into something that your car will drive on.

m.i.t
06-22-2008, 04:21 PM
lol, I was hoping anything that will give you better efficenency than a internal combustion engine. How about a nuke powered car or something..

it doesnt works.. lm sure supplier countries will found U.P.E.C instantly...



About time we start getting ready for the Jetson's age. No More mid-east Oil.

tell this SHELL EXXON MOBİL BP TEXACO ....Trillion dollars business and profits are not avoidable....

Andrew Chalmers
06-22-2008, 04:25 PM
So why are they not using those resources?
Not because its a gov conspiracy but because they encounter a lot of difficulties when trying to convert those deposits into something that your car will drive on.

Oil shale is not a "solution" - the processes involved in the mining, extraction, and refinement consumes a lot of fresh water, emissions, produces a lot of solid waste and waste water.

Oh... and a large part of the US oil shale reserve happens to be in western United States. There's always the NIMBY problem - it is ok to leave ecological disasters in Pennsylvania and West Virginia for industrial and energy generation; but not in the west ;)

Adux
06-22-2008, 04:28 PM
Mit,

The way things are going, and the amount of money and interest into alternate energy.I wouldnt be suprised if we reach the jetsons soon..lol, the business will be forced to find alternate energy, as you know OIL is not unlimited commodity, it will run out one day or the other.

Kilgor
06-22-2008, 04:36 PM
The amount of extra oil the Saudi's can pump is questionable, I doubt this paper increase will amount to anything in reality.

m.i.t
06-22-2008, 04:40 PM
l think HYDROGEN energy system have been ready for usage atleast 25 years...

But also it means bankruptcy of 1000X billion dollars oil companies...

noname
06-22-2008, 05:02 PM
The Oil producing countries of the Middle east earned a combined $1.3 Trillion Dollars in the last 2 years.


How much did they re-invest into oil exploration/extraction, etc? In other words so what.

noname
06-22-2008, 05:09 PM
The amount of extra oil the Saudi's can pump is questionable, I doubt this paper increase will amount to anything in reality.


The amount of oil in the Saudi fields is a closely guarded state secret, that I doubt you or anyone not in the know has any clue about.

Salman
06-23-2008, 09:32 AM
not true:|

Im sorry, you might have misunderstood my sentence. I said "conventional" for a reason, I didn't include shale oil.

Salman
06-23-2008, 09:36 AM
That's true- the US has only about 3 years of conventional oil remaining on it's soil. But it has some 100+ years of oil in the form of shale oil...that's economically profitable to extract so long as oil remains over about $70 a barrel. Last I looked, oil was almost twice that.

You are right about that. If we contemplate about this, then why are we not seeing a huge exploration going on? Could it be because the production rate cannot be increased to keep up with demand? Maybe the shale oil have other qualities which do not fit well into our current oil infrastructure.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
06-23-2008, 10:04 AM
It's ****ing speculators. They are the ones driving demand. The growth of India and China may have a little to do with it but not to the extent that it is being claimed.

The same thing happened to the dot com business. That boomed for a decade. Then collapsed into a heap. It's just recently happened with the housing market. Now thats just about to collapse in a ****ing heap and now it's oils turn.

Anyway in the past hour these have been posted. Google News in the last hour after a search for oil speculators. A whole lot more but I really can't be bothered.

Obama Vows To Close "Enron Loophole" For Oil Speculators (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_080623.htm)


Hedge-fund managers and other large speculators halved their bets on rising oil prices in the week ended Tuesday, according to U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission data (http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/23/business/23crude.php)

Oil Futures Speculation Bankrupting U.S.? (http://www.indexuniverse.com/blog/31/4251-oil-futures-speculation-bankrupting-us.html)

Obama would close energy loophole, McCain offers award for battery that reduces oil dependence (http://www.pr-inside.com/obama-would-close-energy-loophole-mccain-r658572.htm)



Speculative trading in crude oil surges: report (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/us-stock-futures-advance-after/story.aspx?guid=%7BBB2DB53E-82E3-42A2-8C03-3FA1416B72F3%7D&dist=msr_2)

However, this interpretation was dismissed by OPEC president, Chakib Khelil, who reiterated his view that recent price increases were "not a problem of supply" and were instead the result of speculators. (http://www.businessgreen.com/business-green/news/2219800/oil-producers-snub-brown-green)

Consumers are unhappy and refiners are not making money, but oil producers, large and small, domestic or foreign, public or private, are making record profits, and financial speculators are making a killing,” said Fadel Gheit, managing director of oil and gas research at New Yorkbased Oppenheimer & Co. (http://newsok.com/at-pump-does-hope-lie-ahead/article/3260990/)

The Saudis blamed the volatility on speculators and the falling U.S. dollar, and said it will increase production again if the market requires it. (http://680news.com/news/local/article.jsp?content=20080623_085359_4488)

The king spoke of the “selfish interests” of speculators as a key reason and urged the gathered ministers to “rule out biased rumors” and to “reach the real causes for the increase in price.” (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/world/middleeast/24saudi.html?ref=world)

Salman
06-23-2008, 04:19 PM
l think HYDROGEN energy system have been ready for usage atleast 25 years...

But also it means bankruptcy of 1000X billion dollars oil companies...

The hydrogen society is a good thought, watching some research on Artificial photosynthesis gives me hope about that road. Then again we are talking about technology still in development not to mention the time it would take to build the nessecary infrastructure. My uncle made his masters paper on the feasibility of handling hydrogen with energy economics in mind. He came to the conclusion that a significant part of the hydrogens practical energy would be needed to store the hydrogen in pratical containers.

dava
06-23-2008, 04:46 PM
It's ****ing speculators. They are the ones driving demand. The growth of India and China may have a little to do with it but not to the extent that it is being claimed.

So the coincidence between the dollar going down and the oil price going up is pure luck?
Its partly by changes in investments portfolio's, investment in dollars are changed for investments in commidities that will protect them from the slide of dollar.
+ For all the other major currencies, oil has become cheaper when dollar slides. Not that it effectively has, but the oil price for europeans is not as problematic as for americans.

Better blame US gov for driving the dollar down.