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The Balkan

06-23-2008, 02:10 PM

Bosnian Serb PM: 'Serbia is the Motherland'

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Milorad Dodik

23 June 2008 Sarajevo _ Bosnian Serbs see Serbia as their “motherland” and retain the right for their self-determination, the Prime Minister of Bosnia’s smaller Serb entity claims.

In an interview for Slovenian daily Delo, published on Saturday, premier of the Serb-dominated Bosnian entity of Republika Srpska, Milorad Dodik, stressed that Bosnian Serbs will not allow changes to the country’s internal setup, as required for the country’s European Union accession.

Although welcoming Bosnia’s June 16 signing of the Stabilisation and Association Agreement as the first big step on the path to EU membership, Dodik rejected the need for changes to Bosnia’s constitution and inner setup as suggested by EU officials.

“Certainly we will give our contribution to European integration but at the same time it is unacceptable that this integration is used as an alibi for internal reform. Why should Bosnia and Herzegovina change its internal structure when no other (EU) member country had to do it?” Dodik asked in the interview.

On Sunday, Dodik paid a one-day visit to Slovenia, where he met Slovenian Premier Janez Jansa and other officials, and discussed political and economic developments in the region.

Dodik has gained notoriety for his often radical rhetoric and often been the source of rising ethnic and political tensions with his Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) counterparts and population.

Because of this, Bosnian politicians and media have repeatedly demanded Bosnia’s top international envoys use their broad governing powers and remove Dodik from the position. Recently a former top envoy, German diplomat Christian Schwartz Schilling admitted that his plan to fire Dodik in 2006 was prevented by American diplomats. Read more: http://balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/11021

So much for moving forward.

This is gayer then his soccer comments.

"Only time I support Bosnia-Herzegovina is when they're playing against Turkey". I'd love to see a politican from any other country say something like this.

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Paya

06-23-2008, 02:37 PM

One thing: did he use the word "matica" or "otadzbina?"

Clearday-TRForce

06-23-2008, 02:58 PM

I smell "Turkish hate" around.No suprise;

- Ottomans
- Serbs
- Bosnians

When Serbs in, Ottomans and Bosnians out
When Ottomans in, Serbs out, Bosnians in
When Bosnians in, Serbs out, Ottomans in

as usual,no suprise...and that scene's people around with their well-known comments. Against what they have :)

Ordie

06-23-2008, 03:10 PM

Which team were the Serbians cheering between Turkey and Croatia football match the other day?

Paya

06-23-2008, 03:17 PM

Clearday-TRForce

06-23-2008, 03:29 PM

Which team were the Serbians cheering between Turkey and Croatia football match the other day?

Actually it musnt be a question !!! answer is very well known. Serb cheers Croatians,Czeqs,Greeks,Bulgarians,Romanias,Germanies,Hollands....but at the end of the result a game remains is Turks against Orcs....Let me guess what Serbs again cheers...yes you right Orcs...:)

and another question whose can support Turks at these geography (balkans)?

answer: Turks,Bosnians,Kosova,Albanians...

deeply love you people. Adam's sons and daughters...ehe ehe...

INAT

06-23-2008, 03:40 PM

People seem to forget that Dodik was installed as NATO's man and now is seen as the guy keeping Bosna from joining the EU.What is so horrible about saying Srbija is the Serbs motherland or fatherland or whatever land.Just like Croatia is the land of Croats.Things are getting blown up
first his shut up comment and now this we South Slavs are so petty sometimes .:cantbeli:

Ordie

06-23-2008, 03:44 PM

That always surprised me about the Balkans.
So much division, but they excel in team sports (Football, Basketball).

Go figure....

Afro-European

06-23-2008, 03:51 PM

Which team were the Serbians cheering between Turkey and Croatia football match the other day?
They were neutral i assume :):):).

INAT

06-23-2008, 03:55 PM

That always surprised me about the Balkans.
So much division, but they excel in team sports (Football, Basketball).

Go figure....

It is a shame if we were united we could do great things but never again
should we try.Look pound for pound Srbija is the best tennis country in the world and that is not me saying it.We have a good number of Serbs in the game for the size of our country .Pretty good.woot oh plus the #1 female is hot too

ronnieraygun

06-23-2008, 04:06 PM

Look pound for pound Srbija is the best tennis country in the world and that is not me saying it.We have a good number of Serbs in the game for the size of our country .Pretty good.woot oh plus the #1 female is hot too

http://jeteblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ana-ivanovic.jpg

Ordie

06-23-2008, 04:11 PM

Croatia, Slovenia and Greece may have a chance to go to the Olympics in basketball.
There should be some good games.

INAT

06-23-2008, 04:14 PM

http://jeteblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/ana-ivanovic.jpg

I'd like to play doubles with her if you know what i mean. wow that was lame :)

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 04:41 PM

V.I.D.

06-23-2008, 04:52 PM

^ rofl

Guess...

Anyway, since I haven't got an answer from The Balkan, I'll just go on and assume the phrase he used was "matica." Which definitely does not mean Motherland. It "Mother country," a nation-state which takes care of the interests of the members of it's founding ethnic group, in this case the Serbs, both in the matica and abroad.

Croatia, Germany, Bulgaria, Greece, and many others are examples of this...

Exactly, I don't see what's the big deal about it. It's not like he threatened the secession from Bosnia (which btw would be a legitimate decision just like the "Kosovars" decided to do in February and now most western countries are supporting them in their "independence"). Between soccer game of Croatia and Turkey, I would support Croatia, but it's not like all Serbs agree on this by any means. Plus, some Bosniak supporters physically support Turkey which does not make any sense, but that's Balkans....

B92 (http://www.b92.net/eng/) http://static.b92.net/images/news/item-new-black.gif News (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/) http://static.b92.net/images/news/item-new-black.gif Region (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php) http://static.b92.net/images/news/item-new-black.gif Region http://static.b92.net/images/trans.gif Croat, Bosniak fans clash in Mostar 21 June 2008 | 11:51 | Source: Beta Mostar -- Several dozen people were injured last night in Mostar during clashes between local Croats and Bosniaks, after Turkey knocked Croatia out of Euro 2008.

Some 1,000 police officers, including special riot units, cordoned off the center of Mostar and used tear gas to disperse supporters who were targeting each other with bottles and stones.

In a dramatic match, Turkey qualified for the semis after equalizing with the last kick of the ball and then going on to win a penalty shoot-out 4-2.

Mostar has been the scene of ethnic clashes between football supporters a number of times in the past.

SBL

06-23-2008, 04:57 PM

That always surprised me about the Balkans.
So much division, but they excel in team sports (Football, Basketball).

Go figure....

I reckon it's the same reason literature flourished in colonial Ireland- turmoil breeds creativity.

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 04:59 PM

Exactly, I don't see what's the big deal about it. It's not like he threatened the secession from Bosnia (which btw would be a legitimate decision just like the "Kosovars" decided to do in February and now most western countries are supporting them in their "independence"). Between soccer game of Croatia and Turkey, I would support Croatia, but it's not like all Serbs agree on this by any means. Plus, some Bosniak supporters physically support Turkey which does not make any sense, but that's Balkans....

B92 (http://www.b92.net/eng/) http://static.b92.net/images/news/item-new-black.gif News (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/) http://static.b92.net/images/news/item-new-black.gif Region (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/region-article.php) http://static.b92.net/images/news/item-new-black.gif Region http://static.b92.net/images/trans.gif Croat, Bosniak fans clash in Mostar 21 June 2008 | 11:51 | Source: Beta Mostar -- Several dozen people were injured last night in Mostar during clashes between local Croats and Bosniaks, after Turkey knocked Croatia out of Euro 2008.

Some 1,000 police officers, including special riot units, cordoned off the center of Mostar and used tear gas to disperse supporters who were targeting each other with bottles and stones.

In a dramatic match, Turkey qualified for the semis after equalizing with the last kick of the ball and then going on to win a penalty shoot-out 4-2.

Mostar has been the scene of ethnic clashes between football supporters a number of times in the past.

I already posted that article (the whole article ;)), the same thing happend when Brazil beat Croatia and they cheered for Brazil, cuz the Bosniaks in Mostar specificly will support anyone who's playing against Croatia and vice versa. For obvious reasons.

But one second it's "Serbs are part of Bosnia like anyone else we been here forever this is our home", the next it's "Serbia is my motherland, i support Serbia and cheer against Bosnia-Herzegovina". Lol

Ordie

06-23-2008, 05:01 PM

The Turkey vs. Germany match should be a fun one to watch in Berlin. It's always fun to watch the underdog make to the semifinals. Bora Milutinovic was one of our (USA)the best coaches in football. (soccer)

RWR

06-23-2008, 05:27 PM

I supported Turkey in match against Croatia.
woot

For many reasons.

As for Dodik...he is troublemaker and Russian player...he managed to produce more crises in Bosnia on his relatively short mandate then SDS did in 10 years after the war.He also uses every oportunity to remind everybody (sometimes in very clear terms) that he doesn't believe in Bosnia and Herzegovina and that he will try secession at next best opportunity...of course such action would mean certain war so he always manages to raise ethnic tensions.
Also he made couple of murky business deals with Russians (selling of oil refinery to Russian company etc.) and thus virtualy protected himself from High Commisioner sanctions by buying Russian protection in PIC (Peace Implementation Council).

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 05:28 PM

RWR

06-23-2008, 05:39 PM

Such as?

I'm not going at you at all, I'm just curious.

Number 1. is Inat (spite)...born mainly from personal experience with past "celebrations" of Croat fans in Stolac and because I view Turks as most friendly nation in broader region...also for historical links between our two nations (Ottoman period).

Of course I have nothing against Croatia or Croatians because I usually support them when Bosnia is not competing in some sport event and Croatia is.

KninGrad

06-23-2008, 05:54 PM

I cheered against Croatians and since they played against Turks I was cheering for Turks as 90% of people I know!!!!

:)

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 05:59 PM

I'm guessing you're a Serb?

BW2

06-23-2008, 06:42 PM

Number 1. is Inat (spite) wow wow back up there I believe that belongs to us (Serbs). ;-)

Regarding the article, I honestly never heard any Serb refer to Serbia as the motherland... isn't it fatherland? In any case Dodik is right, Serbia is indeed the motherland/fatherland (whatever) for Serbs.

BW2

06-23-2008, 06:48 PM

As for Dodik...he is troublemaker and Russian player...he managed to produce more crises in Bosnia on his relatively short mandate then SDS did in 10 years after the war.He also uses every oportunity to remind everybody (sometimes in very clear terms) that he doesn't believe in Bosnia and Herzegovina and that he will try secession at next best opportunity...of course such action would mean certain war so he always manages to raise ethnic tensions.
Also he made couple of murky business deals with Russians (selling of oil refinery to Russian company etc.) and thus virtualy protected himself from High Commisioner sanctions by buying Russian protection in PIC (Peace Implementation Council). What exactly is wrong with the Russians and their business? Murky deal? Lol RS sold a oil company to the Russians big deal... it was a smart move in any case, RS got good money for it and the company is quite successful. Besides who were the supposed to sell it to? I want to remind you he was elected in RS and as such he is placing the interests of RS before B&H first. No trouble making there, only trouble is the EU thats beating against RS's door.

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 07:11 PM

lol @ everyone ignoring the part I bolded and focusing on the unimportant part

BW2

06-23-2008, 07:17 PM

lol @ everyone ignoring the part I bolded and focusing on the unimportant part :petting: awww don't worry we all love you.

lol jks OK I'll start I guess, no its not very fair for the EU to demand these internal reforms, if they don't like the way the country is now why didn't they think of it when they had total control and impose which ever structure they wanted on Bosnia? Unless of course the EU is just hypocritical (which it is) and is looking for excuses.

Sumadinac

06-23-2008, 07:24 PM

Nothing surprising... Serbian constitution specifies that Serbia is the State of the Serbian people.

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 07:31 PM

:petting: awww don't worry we all love you.

lol jks OK I'll start I guess, no its not very fair for the EU to demand these internal reforms, if they don't like the way the country is now why didn't they think of it when they had total control and impose which ever structure they wanted on Bosnia? Unless of course the EU is just hypocritical (which it is) and is looking for excuses.

So it's fair for this dude to sabotage EU acession for everyone else in the country? The guy who hates the country should also have the power to sabotage any hopes of it ever moving on?

Nothing surprising... Serbian constitution specifies that Serbia is the State of the Serbian people.

Except Bosnian Serbs aren't citizens of Serbia and in most cases have never been citizens of Serbia. They are just ethnic Serbs. But you know that.

Especialy Dodik who was born in Bosnia & Herzegovina ROFL

V.I.D.

06-23-2008, 07:42 PM

What exactly is wrong with the Russians and their business? Murky deal? Lol RS sold a oil company to the Russians big deal... it was a smart move in any case, RS got good money for it and the company is quite successful. Besides who were the supposed to sell it to? I want to remind you he was elected in RS and as such he is placing the interests of RS before B&H first. No trouble making there, only trouble is the EU thats beating against RS's door.

Exactly, he is successful and unlike the previous scumbags from SDS tends to care about RS a little bit more (as opposed to selling everything like his "hardline" opposition). Now, I am not naive enough to think that he is the best thing to happen to Serbs in Bosnia since Tvrtko I, but the fact is, he is democratically elected leader who is liked by the majority of population in RS. That's why many in Federation don't like him; they prefer RS politicians who will sell every last bit of its authoritative independence (customs, police, army, government, anthem, etc.). I'd be OK with RS being a semi-independent part of Bosnia and being a functional partner of Federation, but not with the current Kosovo scenario....it's too much of western hypocrisy to take in one bite. Either both ought to be independent or remain highly autonomous regions within their respective countries.

V.I.D.

06-23-2008, 07:45 PM

So it's fair for this dude to sabotage EU acession for everyone else in the country? The guy who hates the country should also have the power to sabotage any hopes of it ever moving on?

Except Bosnian Serbs aren't citizens of Serbia and in most cases have never been citizens of Serbia. They are ethnic Serbs. But you know that.

Especialy Dodik who was born in Bosnia & Herzegovina ROFL

Yes, so? You were born in Yugoslavia, but that does not stop you from declaring yourself as Bosniak (or citizen of Bosnia), right? Double standards or selective thinking.......

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 07:53 PM

Yes, so? You were born in Yugoslavia, but that does not stop you from declaring yourself as Bosniak (or citizen of Bosnia), right? Double standards or selective thinking.......

How is the two comparable?

Bosniak doesn't mean citizen of Bosnia. Bosnian is a citizen of Bosnia. I was what I am ethnicly even when I was Yugoslavian just like you were a Serb, and just like a Black man in America is still Black. A Black American.

I was always from the Bosnian-Herzegovinian republic and Bosnian-Herzegovian land just like Dodik was.

You don't seem to understand the difference. He and those like him were never citizens of Serbia. They were citizens of Yugoslavia and then citizens Bosnia. Never Serbia.

He's not talking about Yugoslavia my friend, he said SERBIA.

Do you see me claiming any other land besides the one I was born in?

Do you see me hating the country I'm from? Sabotaging it?

Paya

06-23-2008, 07:54 PM

@Clearday-TRForce

Actually it musnt be a question !!! answer is very well known. Serb cheers Croatians,Czeqs,Greeks,Bulgarians,Romanias,Germanies,Hollands....but at the end of the result a game remains is Turks against Orcs....Let me guess what Serbs again cheers...yes you right Orcs...:)
Wrong. Most Serbs cheered for Turkey on that one. There was even a joke going round: why should we cheer for the Croats? The Turks were our countrymen for much longer. :) I personally couldn't care less. Such a boring sport, football.

I don't know why you think that Serbs have anything against Turks. Sure, Ottoman rule is in everyone's collective memory as the "Turkish yoke," but that was long ago and nowadays there's no ill feeling towards the Turks. Come summertime, you might want to check out who is the single biggest tourist group in Kushadasi.

@The Balkan

I don't know what word he used in Serbian cuz the article is in English and that's all it says, what I pasted there.
OK, but you do realize the difference between matica and otadzbina?

Anyway the EU comment is the worst part.
What specifically about it?

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 07:57 PM

@Clearday-TRForce

Wrong. Most Serbs cheered for Turkey on that one. There was even a joke going round: why should we cheer for the Croats? The Turks were our countrymen for much longer. :) I personally couldn't care less. Such a boring sport, football.

I don't know why you think that Serbs have anything against Turks. Sure, Ottoman rule is in everyone's collective memory as the "Turkish yoke," but that was long ago and nowadays there's no ill feeling towards the Turks. Come summertime, you might want to check out who is the single biggest tourist group in Kushadasi.

@The Balkan

OK, but you do realize the difference between matica and otadzbina?

What specifically about it?

WTF! You can't be Serbian! Impostor!

And you know what I meant. Who is he to sabotage the country's entrance to EU?

"he will not allow it" <<<< lmao

who the hell is he?

He's only bringing heat down on RS more and more and the ideas of erasing it are growing stronger and stronger.

Paya

06-23-2008, 08:06 PM

WTF! You can't be Serbian! Impostor!
Nah, basketball was something we were always good at, and unlike football, basketball doesn't require that you practice pretending being hurt for fifteen minutes per training session.

And you know what I meant. Who is he to sabotage the country's entrance to EU?

"he will not allow it" <<<< lmao

who the hell is he?
He is the PM of the entity called RS, which is home to 37% of the population of BiH. He definitely has a right to disagree with both the EU, and the FBiH.

He's only bringing heat down on RS more and more and the ideas of erasing it are growing stronger and stronger.
What heat? I mean, no offense, but the only ones who want to erase it are the Bosniaks. And they are simply not able to do it. All the others, including international representatives, say the RS should and will be upheld.

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 08:13 PM

Nah, basketball was something we were always good at, and unlike football, basketball doesn't require that you practice pretending being hurt for fifteen minutes per training session.

He is the PM of the entity called RS, which is home to 37% of the population of BiH. He definitely has a right to disagree with both the EU, and the FBiH.

What heat? I mean, no offense, but the only ones who want to erase it are the Bosniaks. And they are simply not able to do it. All the others, including international representatives, say the RS should and will be upheld.

Like I said he doesn't have the right to sabotage the country. Especialy since he hates the country and acts like he's a visitor there.

How can you claim power and ownership over it, but reject it at every turn in favor of another country (Serbia)?

And the "only" ones? Last time I checked we're the majority and Bosnia exists cuz of us in the first place. If the Serbs had their way it would be part of "Yugoslavia" still right? Lets not twist things now. We all know who hates Bosnia and who loves Bosnia.

Sumadinac

06-23-2008, 08:16 PM

Except Bosnian Serbs aren't citizens of Serbia and in most cases have never been citizens of Serbia. They are just ethnic Serbs. But you know that.

Especialy Dodik who was born in Bosnia & Herzegovina ROFL

Nobody talked about citizens. We are talking about ethnic identity. Recently, a law was voted in Serbia, allowing to any person with serbian ancestry to ask for serbian citizenship. So Dodik for example, a Serb born in Yugoslavia, has the right to be a serbian citizen.

Paya

06-23-2008, 08:24 PM

Like I said he doesn't have the right to sabotage the country. Especialy since he hates the country and acts like he's a visitor there.
He is looking out for the interests of the RS and it's citizens (and his own, to be frank). He doesn't give a damn about the rest of Bosnia, and he is honest enough about that. If it is his wish not to give up the Police Force, and other things, there is no legal way to make him. Check the Bosnian Constitution. And I certainly don't think his aim is to sabotage, rather to maintain certain authorities the RS has.

How can you claim power and ownership over it, but reject it at every turn in favor of another country (Serbia)?
RS, not Serbia. Serbia being the matica of all Serbs, he can rely on certain help from it, mainly economic, but he never advocated that the RS be annexed to Serbia. And besides, my country supports the territorial integrity of Bosnia, and all the states in the region.

And the "only" ones? Last time I checked we're the majority and Bosnia exists cuz of us in the first place. If the Serbs had their way it would be part of "Yugoslavia" still right? Lets not twist things now. We all know who hates Bosnia and who loves Bosnia.
May be, but you missed my point. Bosniaks are simply unable to do anything to erase RS.

Oh, and who, exactly, hates Bosnia?

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 08:41 PM

He is looking out for the interests of the RS and it's citizens (and his own, to be frank). He doesn't give a damn about the rest of Bosnia, and he is honest enough about that. If it is his wish not to give up the Police Force, and other things, there is no legal way to make him. Check the Bosnian Constitution. And I certainly don't think his aim is to sabotage, rather to maintain certain authorities the RS has.

RS, not Serbia. Serbia being the matica of all Serbs, he can rely on certain help from it, mainly economic, but he never advocated that the RS be annexed to Serbia. And besides, my country supports the territorial integrity of Bosnia, and all the states in the region.

May be, but you missed my point. Bosniaks are simply unable to do anything to erase RS.

Oh, and who, exactly, hates Bosnia?

Yes he's doing what he thinks is best for RS while hurting the country RS is part of. Bosnia.

I'd like to see the state of New York dictate what the United States does as a whole.

People like him hate Bosnia. Alot of Serbs with that attitude hate Bosnia. Not all but alot. They'd rather be part of Serbia. And they're welcome to do that. Nobody's forcing them to live in Bosnia.

Bosniaks are unable to erase RS? I wouldn't go that far.

Paya

06-23-2008, 08:56 PM

Yes he's doing what he thinks is best for RS while hurting the country RS is part of. Bosnia.
Which is his legitimate right acording to the BiH Constitution. And he isn't necessarily hurting Bosnia.

I'd like to see the state of New York dictate what the United States does as a whole.
Not quite the same, now, is it? The state of New York has much lesser authority and level of self rule than RS. And may I remind you that RS makes up 49% of Bosnia's territory, and 37% of it's citizenry?

People like him hate Bosnia. Alot of Serbs with that attitude hate Bosnia. Not all but alot.
No, they hate the Bosniak version of a perfect Bosnia. In my experience the view of the country itself is pretty neutral.

They'd rather be part of Serbia. And they're welcome to do that. Nobody's forcing them to live in Bosnia.
So, according to you, every Bosniak who is a citizen of Serbia, and waves war-time Bosnian flags and isn't all that crazy about Serbia should be deported to Bosnia?

Bosniaks are unable to erase RS? I wouldn't go that far.
I would. What can they do? Start a war? They have no means for that, and would be labelled agressors. And there is certainly no legal way to abolish the RS.

justasoldier

06-23-2008, 09:13 PM

nice thread.......footbal, politics.......

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 09:24 PM

Which is his legitimate right acording to the BiH Constitution. And he isn't necessarily hurting Bosnia.

Not quite the same, now, is it? The state of New York has much lesser authority and level of self rule than RS. And may I remind you that RS makes up 49% of Bosnia's territory, and 37% of it's citizenry?

No, they hate the Bosniak version of a perfect Bosnia. In my experience the view of the country itself is pretty neutral.

So, according to you, every Bosniak who is a citizen of Serbia, and waves war-time Bosnian flags and isn't all that crazy about Serbia should be deported to Bosnia?

I would. What can they do? Start a war? They have no means for that, and would be labelled agressors. And there is certainly no legal way to abolish the RS.

I would call that pretty naive if you think most don't hate it. The fact that they cheer against it every chance they get says enough. If that is your experience than all I can say is mine is totaly different from yours.

And yea I think that attitude is retarded, and yes that includes the Bosniaks in Serbia. If you live in that country (especialy for generations and generations), are from that country, and plan on staying in that country, you should act like a part of it and try to make it a better place.

As for having no means ....I wont even get into that beyond saying it's incredibly naive.

Paya

06-23-2008, 09:44 PM

And yea I think that attitude is retarded, and yes that includes the Bosniaks in Serbia. If you live in that country (especialy for generations and generations), are from that country, and plan on staying in that country, you should act like a part of it and try to make it a better place.
Love, like as respect must be earned, whether it's for a person or a country. Serbia should earn it's Bosniaks love and respect, and Bosnia should earn the love of it's Serbian citizens. Which will definitely not happen with the constant talk of "agressors," "greater Serbian plans and schemes," "genocidal creation," and "erasing Republika Mrska."

And on that note, I'm off to get some beauty sleep. The boss at work already thinks I'm doing drugs, with the state I've been showing up in the last few days...

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 09:46 PM

Lol sleep tight.

Sumadinac

06-23-2008, 10:07 PM

Well, you've just forgotten that countries and borders are often changing in this part of Europe...

INAT

06-23-2008, 10:24 PM

Hey Balkan tell me if I am wrong but it seems to me everytime I hear about Bosna the Muslims are pointing the finger at RS for one reason or another and use these reasons to justify abolishing Dayton accords and RS and merging us under BiH control.Centralization=a new war why is everyone gunning for a new war by abolishing Dayton? Oh yeah war is
profitable.

TeslaN

06-23-2008, 10:44 PM

Bosnia is a Serbian country.
The Turks can go back to TUrkey if they so wish.

KET

06-23-2008, 10:47 PM

^^^ lol....

The Balkan

06-23-2008, 11:25 PM

lmaooo

ok I can be an idiot too, watch!

Serbia is an Illyrian country, the Slavs can go back to Poland and Russia!

Clearday-TRForce

06-24-2008, 02:14 AM

Bosnia is a Serbian country.
The Turks can go back to TUrkey if they so wish.

oh really, is it newly news? a typical balkan type flame post...? or another genius,unheard proposal ? which one you the great teslan?

V.I.D.

06-24-2008, 02:34 AM

lmaooo

ok I can be an idiot too, watch!

Serbia is an Illyrian country, the Slavs can go back to Poland and Russia!

You guys write a lot for me to catch up so I won't address every point you've made, but one thing I mentioned to you earlier is that is all just a mere point of view. See, one can argue that since Dodik boosted up RS economically it is the Federation part that holds everything down with its numerous cantonal ministries, unbelievable amounts of bureaucracy, etc. Right? Or you assume that just because lots of Serbs and others are fed up with EU hypocrisy, somehow that has to be the only way (EU=the path of the righteous). I'd say screw EU and any politician that works toward that end (Bosniak and Croat included) is a good fellow in my eyes. Why should we change from old EU (Yugoslavia) through banana country that is Bosnia today (a mini Yugoslavia) for a new, heavily bureaucratic and US-dominated EU.

The people in Balkans should get some hard-working habits and catch up with the modern times because it is in their own interest, and not to please lazy western bureaucrats who have no idea how it feels to live in the constant war zone for the past two millenniums. I wish Bosnia and Serbia connect with Russia, India, China, U.S. or anybody else legitimate and serious enough and forget about that impotent quasi-elitist club. Of course this will never happen with the idiots in power who only know how to half-heartedly repeat "must....join EU" mantra several times a day as if that will remove much deeper and unresolved issues in their own countries.

Thubbard

06-24-2008, 10:50 AM

Anyway, since I haven't got an answer from The Balkan, I'll just go on and assume the phrase he used was "matica."

Well I have the Saturday's edition of "Delo" and would just like to confirm that he did indeed say "matica".:)

BW2

06-24-2008, 12:01 PM

lmaooo

ok I can be an idiot too, watch!

Serbia is an Illyrian country, the Slavs can go back to Poland and Russia!

Wouldn't that include you? p-)

sexyhamburger

06-24-2008, 12:08 PM

In all honesty guys, I miss the old Yugoslavia, the one that my parents tell me about and remember so fondly. But thats just naive Canadian me. But in all honesty lets face it, is there really such a big difference between Croats/Serbs/Bosnians and Slovenians? They all still need each other to survive economically and all share the same heritage. We're still one people no matter how people want to cut it. But thats just my two cents.

RWR

06-24-2008, 01:01 PM

Bosnia is a Serbian country.
The Turks can go back to TUrkey if they so wish.

LoL.

Crazy cetnik..

http://bosnjaci.net/foto/cetnik_i_kama_big.jpg

Unixnut

06-24-2008, 01:06 PM

Wouldn't that include you? p-)

In fact it would include just about everyone in the Balkans, as the Slavs that settled there mixed with the Illyrians, rather than displaced them (before the empires that conquered the area split the population into the ethnic groups that we now all know and love).

In all honesty guys, I miss the old Yugoslavia, the one that my parents tell me about and remember so fondly. But thats just naive Canadian me. But in all honesty lets face it, is there really such a big difference between Croats/Serbs/Bosnians and Slovenians? They all still need each other to survive economically and all share the same heritage. We're still one people no matter how people want to cut it. But thats just my two cents.See post above. Really no difference between them. There is more genetic and linguistic variation within the ethnic groups then between them. Pretty much the differences are all in the heads of the people involved, because there sure as hell isn't much difference that we can discern.

As for Yugoslavia, Honestly I miss it too, primarily because the civil war seems pointless in hindsight (well, I thought it was pointless from the beginning, but moreso now).

The way I see it. The Bosnians,Slovenes and Croats decided to split because they wanted their sovereignty, independence and desire not to be ruled by someone who is not from their "group" (whether this is true or not is not really relevent). Ok, fine. But when its all said and done and we successfully destroyed something like 50 years of economic progress, What do we have to show for it?

Loads of death and destruction, crap average standard of living compared to YU. Small weak countries (read: easily controlled) that are just now reaching the economic point they were at 20+ years ago, and an overwhelming desire to join the EU, where they will lose their sovereignty and independence and be governed by someone who is not from their "group". Can someone tell what the point of it all was? It's like we went full circle.

If all the Balkan countries join the EU, they will have to abide by what are essentially the same rules as Yugoslavia. Serbs would have a right to work/live in Croatia and vice-versa, they will have to have the same rights as all other EU citizens, discrimination based on ethnicity (among others) would be illegal. They would have to open borders for free traffic, free trade and business, utility sharing, etc...

In the end, you end up with exactly the same thing, so why go through the war in the first place? Makes no sense to me.

Sorry for the rant :oops:. I have spent over a decade trying to work out why the country I was born in fell apart in such bloodshed, and I can get a bit worked up :roll:

Paya

06-24-2008, 01:16 PM

LoL.

Crazy cetnik..

http://bosnjaci.net/foto/cetnik_i_kama_big.jpg
Yeah. Chetnik as Veljko Bulajic imagined them. And drunken Ravna Gora visiting yokels embraced.

On a side note, I resent the use of the term Chetnik by 99% percent of Croats and Bosniaks, and WW II "chetniks," too, to be fair...

Ludipipo

06-24-2008, 01:24 PM

LoL.
Crazy cetnik..

LoL.
Crazy balija..

Paya

06-24-2008, 01:39 PM

Great. All we need now is an ustasa. Any volonteers?

Jeez...

sexyhamburger

06-24-2008, 01:43 PM

Unixnut I agree whole-heartedly with what you say. The war was pointless and now they're screwing themselves. I try not to think about it much anymore, I figure the future will bring about some change and in the end all of those ethnic groups will see the true consequences of their actions. I still hope that maybe one day Yugoslavia will be as it was, but thats just me hoping.

BW2

06-24-2008, 01:51 PM

In the end, you end up with exactly the same thing, so why go through the war in the first place? Makes no sense to me. Its as if the EU was founded on the principles of Yugoslavia eh? Imaging a civil war there...

The Balkan

06-24-2008, 02:32 PM

Wouldn't that include you? p-)

Omg I was just beng an idiot to clown the other guy lmao Watch now someone's gonna make a big argument over Illyrians and Slavs.

Mr.Flint

06-24-2008, 02:37 PM

Omg I was just beng an idiot to clown the other guy lmao Watch now someone's gonna make a big argument over Illyrians and Slavs.
Can i? pretty pls?

ok here it goes

Albanians are not Illyriansp-)

KET

06-24-2008, 02:51 PM

We all know Serbs are the real Illyrians ;)

BW2

06-24-2008, 02:57 PM

We all know Serbs are the real Illyrians ;) LOL no afraid not we were never illiterate thieving pirates. ;-)

Omg I was just beng an idiot to clown the other guy thnx captain obvious.

The Balkan

06-24-2008, 03:03 PM

Yugoslavia should've been called Illyria!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Illyrians.jpg

INAT

06-24-2008, 03:41 PM

Yugoslavia should've been called Illyria!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Illyrians.jpg

Wow one of the most ignorant things I have heard on Mp.net congradulations.

Unixnut

06-24-2008, 03:45 PM

We all know Serbs are the real Illyrians ;)

If we follow the silly map from a few posts before, Serbs should be part Celtic :)

Mr.Flint

06-24-2008, 04:55 PM

If we follow the silly map from a few posts before, Serbs should be part Celtic :)
I know an old man who says serbs are slavo-celtsrofl

The Balkan

06-24-2008, 04:59 PM

I don't see what's ridiculous about that map. All maps of Illyria and the Roman province of Illyricum are like that. Thats where the various Ilyrian tribes lived, not all are even shown on that map there's way more. It's belived Brcko itself gets it's name from the
Breuci tribe.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/IllyrianWars.jpg/800px-IllyrianWars.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s130/olvios300/Illyria/Illyria-2.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_j84kehUIqhg/RtiMErUUp-I/AAAAAAAAAVQ/Nl7YsqdS-X4/s1600-h/IllyricumIIs.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_j84kehUIqhg/RtiLi7UUp9I/AAAAAAAAAVI/omHiK5Etvg0/s1600-h/Illyricum2.jpg

What exactly did you think I was trying to imply INAT?

BTW in case you can't tell I was joking about Yugoslavia being called Illyria, relax.

loganinkosovo

06-24-2008, 05:05 PM

When someone says "Motherland" I always wonder just what their "Mother" was sleeping with to produce THEM!

Unixnut

06-24-2008, 08:38 PM

I know an old man who says serbs are slavo-celtsrofl

I always used to wonder why there were so many Irish people living in Belgrade (I know tons of them), maybe this is why :D

When someone says "Motherland" I always wonder just what their "Mother" was sleeping with to produce THEM!

Yes, it is quite an interesting concept, and sounds hilarious if imagined literally. I never quite thought about it, but why do people around the world attribute parentage to chunks of dirt?

KET

06-24-2008, 08:48 PM

LOL no afraid not we were never illiterate thieving pirates. ;-)

It's ok. We love being illiterate thieving pirates.

Paya

06-24-2008, 08:58 PM

Yes, it is quite an interesting concept, and sounds hilarious if imagined literally. I never quite thought about it, but why do people around the world attribute parentage to chunks of dirt?
XIX century romanticism and the beginings of nationalism. The writers and poets of the era coined the term, and it's been in use ever since.

It's ok. We love being illiterate thieving pirates.
Now, now, you know very well that he didn't mean Albanians, he meant Illyrians. ;)

KET

06-24-2008, 09:00 PM

XIX century romanticism and the beginings of nationalism. The writers and poets of the era coined the term, and it's been in use ever since.

Now, now, you know very well that he didn't mean Albanians, he meant Illyrians. ;)
I represent the Illyrians here ;) I'm part Serbian so I can claim that.

Paya

06-24-2008, 09:06 PM

I represent the Illyrians here ;) I'm part Serbian so I can claim that.
In that case, I salute you my Illyrian brother! How goes the looting and pillaging of the Dalmatian coast? Rape any interesting maidens lately? Didn't learn to read and write, I hope?

KET

06-24-2008, 09:13 PM

uot ar ju sejing?

Paya

06-24-2008, 09:15 PM

Ај ваз гритинг ју, мај Илириан брадер!

KET

06-24-2008, 09:19 PM

I can't talk to you. KLA will kill me.

Paya

06-24-2008, 09:29 PM

That was kinda the point of this weird conversation.

'Nuff spam. Going to sleep.

cinoeye

06-25-2008, 12:28 PM

The Balkan

06-25-2008, 01:54 PM

No, no Serbs out when Ottomans came, but they stayed and became Bosnians! ;)

I'll kill you for that b!tch!!! ALLAHU EKBER!!!!

http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb003.gif

*waits for Calanen to take it seriosly*

V.I.D.

06-25-2008, 02:00 PM

And about our previous discussion on who's dragging Bosnia down, there's a shocking news today:

Bosnian Federation on verge of bankruptcy 25 June 2008 | 11:03 | Source: B92 SARAJEVO, LJUBLJANA -- The Bosnia-Herzegovina Federation is on the brink of bankruptcy, with only EUR 221 at its disposal.

The Bosnian federal government is down to the bare bones after, in the face of public pressure, it was forced to make various payments for welfare benefits that were not factored into the budget, Slovenian media report.

Finance Minister Vjekoslav Bevanda did not want to comment on the situation, but he has notified members of Bosnia-Herzegovina’s federal government and Prime Minister Nedžad Branković.

Bevanda had earlier warned about the unrealistic promises of support made to the socially underprivileged, particularly Branković’s promises to Bosnian war veterans, on the basis of which laws were adopted and payments increased that were not projected in the budget.

Moreover, Slovenian media have learned from Sarajevo daily Dnevni Avaz that several days ago, the Bosnia-Herzegovina government approved around EUR 85,000 for the purchase of a luxury boat intended for use at the government’s resort in Trpanj.

Even though the government is facing bankruptcy, protests by former members of the Bosnia-Herzegovina Army calling for three-month unemployment benefit to be paid off, are still planned to go ahead.

Trade unions have also scheduled protests for next Wednesday, when several thousand workers are expected to gather to express their discontent with the way privatization is going, and the “destruction of the companies sold thus far.”

Meanwhile Serbian part (RS) has 170 million in its budget alone (without development funds), so it makes one wonder what is happening in the Federation. It's high time for Federal government to change something, otherwise RS should demand its independence or unification with Serbia.