REQ: Mk 12 use?

[kinney_bmx]

I happen to come along this photo when i was browsing the daily pictures. It was captioned as a marine but the weapon seems to be the Mk.12 Mod 1. I thought it might be the SAM-R but it deff looks like the SPR.
I Thought that only the SEALS used the Mod 1 and the Army Special Forces used the Mod 0

Is there any other units that actually use the Mod 0 and/or Mod 1 ??

heres the picture

[BrianT]

I'm pretty sure a great deal of Army units have the Mod 1. It wouldn't surprise me to see Marines with it.

[kinney_bmx]

I'm pretty sure a great deal of Army units have the Mod 1. It wouldn't surprise me to see Marines with it.
Thanks bro.
Ive seen a few places that have said the 75th field them. Do guys just use them as a DM weapon ?
My understanding of how the Mk.12 is used is basically a DM weapon

Any pics of other units using them would be greatly appreciated if possible

[ZoneOne]

A lot of units are receiving the SASS. At first glance that's what I thought it was, but the rifle in the picture does not seem to have the KAC rails.

[SMGLee]

MOD1 is what the USSOCOM is delivering to the units.......and this might be a USSOCOM attached Marine unit...

I recently upgraded my SPR from Mod0 to MOD1. it is lighter and just as accurate.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/centurionarms/huge/IMG_0911.jpg

[kinney_bmx]

MOD1 is what the USSOCOM is delivering to the units.......and this might be a USSOCOM attached Marine unit...
Thanks alot SMG :). That never really crossed my head for some reason

BTW gorgeous rifle there Lee.

[BrianT]

Thanks brian. Ive seen a few places that have said the 75th field them. Do you guys just use them as a DM weapon ?
My understanding of how the Mk.12 is used is basically a DM weapon

It's honestly not even used overseas. We don't use it as a DM weapon either. It's not really a good assault weapon like the M4 nor is it a good sniper weapon. Too much of a jack-of-all-trades. I can see how maybe it makes sense for other units though where they might be taking on a jack-of-all-trades role where an individual doesn't know if he'll be sniping or doing something more close-quarters.
We have a dedicated assault squad and we have dedicated sniper teams. A sniper team would never assault a target and an assault squad would never try to shoot something at sniper ranges. I've seen it used in training for airfield siezures and such. It makes a decent spotter weapon I think if they don't have someone pulling security for them. I'm not a sniper though. I've just heard them profess they'd use a mk.11 before that thing for that sort of sniping.

[kinney_bmx]

It's honestly not even used overseas. We don't use it as a DM weapon either. It's not really a good assault weapon like the M4 nor is it a good sniper weapon. Too much of a jack-of-all-trades. I can see how maybe it makes sense for other units though where they might be taking on a jack-of-all-trades role where an individual doesn't know if he'll be sniping or doing something more close-quarters.
We have a dedicated assault squad and we have dedicated sniper teams. A sniper team would never assault a target and an assault squad would never try to shoot something at sniper ranges. I've seen it used in training for airfield siezures and such. It makes a decent spotter weapon I think if they don't have someone pulling security for them. I'm not a sniper though. I've just heard them profess they'd use a mk.11 before that thing for that sort of sniping.

I actually just realized how completely stupid the first part of my question was. I knew that you guys had the dedicated assault teams. I accidentily put you guys instead of guys. Sorry about that :oops:

But thanks alot for the info mate

[D.E. Watters]

Last year, II MEF received Mk 12 Mod 1 requested under an UUNS.

[kinney_bmx]

Thanks for the answers guys

[dangerdan87]

Mk12s are used for Designated Marksmen in the USMC. I got one.
Its not wether or not your SOCOM or Special Forces or not. We in a grunt Line Company have them also.

[Hispeed1]

Nice SMGLee. I've seen the Mod 1's usually with the ERGO M4 hand grip, looks like you modified yours with the Magpul MIAD grip. Cool.

[dangerdan87]

Here's my personal one. Scope and can on the way.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/ermey/101_1147.jpg

[SMGLee]

Nice SMGLee. I've seen the Mod 1's usually with the ERGO M4 hand grip, looks like you modified yours with the Magpul MIAD grip. Cool.

No, I kept it as original as possible.

The grip used is the standard ole A2 grip...:)

you give me too much credit, I am not high speed enough to use any MagPul products...LOL

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/centurionarms/huge/IMG_0898.jpg

Recently my friend at NSWC switched to Nightforce scopes and never looked back, so instead of the Leupold MR/T, I used a Nightforce 2.5-10x with mil-dot.

the gun shoot about 1MOA with 77gr SMK, this is highly imressive with me, since i am more of a mass fire for effect guy, and not much of a pin point shooter. this gun is capable of close to 1/2 MOA with this barrel. I did get a few groups later in the afternoon at less than 3MAO at 300 yrds.

Speaking of the barrel, this is the same exact barrel deliver to CRANE for the SPR builds, have the proper radius cut for the OPS suppressors and the chamber is specially cut for the mk262 SMK.

[jagermeister]

I was really suprised by the accuracy of mine. I dont wanna hear about the scope it has yet to affect the zero p-)
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2501/0000073ba4.jpg

[D-gin]

Nice jager. DD rail or Larue?

[wildcat]

I was really suprised by the accuracy of mine. I dont wanna hear about the scope it has yet to affect the zero p-)
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2501/0000073ba4.jpg
What scope is that? nice paint job, what receiver barrel is that also?

[jagermeister]

Scope is a Leupold Mark4 4x14, DD rails LMT upper.

[BrianT]

Just curious, but is there anywhere I can buy the match trigger set from the mk12? I wouldn't mind throwing it in my m4. Government weapon of course. It's the only automatic match trigger for the m4 that I know of.

[dangerdan87]

Knights makes a 2 stage m16 trigger control group. Geisel is coming out with one too. It might be hard to get one of these as you may need a machine gun tax stamp to get these. They run about $300.

[D-gin]

Scope is a Leupold Mark4 4x14, DD rails LMT upper.

Thanks jeger.

[SMGLee]

Just curious, but is there anywhere I can buy the match trigger set from the mk12? I wouldn't mind throwing it in my m4. Government weapon of course. It's the only automatic match trigger for the m4 that I know of.

Brian,

KAC and Accuracy speak maes the SPR trigger group, the Accuracy Speak is the only one with Single stage full auto trigger roup on the market and it is sweet, but the down side is the trigger group is only available to the mil/gov't agency.

The KAC has moreofg thrier triggers in the SPR and their trigger group as you are probably familiar with...is pretty top notch bt expensive....

This is the only two option is you want to build a exact copy of thge MK12.

[BrianT]

I was more trying to have a lighter trigger pull on my M4 while retaining automatic. The trigger pull is probably the largest factor in dropping my accuracy with that weapon. It'd make zeroing a hell of alot easier.

[dangerdan87]

My trigger pull in my m16 is pretty stiff and I'm shooting 245 out of 250 at the known distance coarse of fire range. But then again, I am a Marine :D

[Paulinski]

Here's my version of SPR although its not even close to what the military uses.

The gun was build from ground up by moi :)

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e193/Dragnaath/SPR-Left-1.jpg

[BrianT]

My trigger pull in my m16 is pretty stiff and I'm shooting 245 out of 250 at the known distance coarse of fire range. But then again, I am a Marine :D

Yeah, rog.:roll:

[JC0352]

My trigger pull in my m16 is pretty stiff and I'm shooting 245 out of 250 at the known distance coarse of fire range. But then again, I am a Marine :D

You know damn well we've got a bunch of pizza boxes running around the Corps.p-) Thankfully, I'm not one of those either...

[D.E. Watters]

MARCORSYSCOM just posted a solicitation stating the following:


The Marine Corps Systems Command, Infantry Weapons Systems, PM Infantry Weapons, Quantico, VA, will consider all quotes from responsible sources capable of providing the following line item: (Line Item 1): Unit of issue is each. Quantity is four hundred (400) Anti-Reflective Devices (ARD) for the 36mm Leupold Scope of the MK12 Mod 1 Special Purpose Rifle (SPR).

[wild_wild_wes]

I can't believe the Corps is going to put a Mk12 in every rifle squad. It just seems like the wrong weapon...

[dangerdan87]

We dont always have snipers on hand when you may need them. Thats what the designated marksman is for. I love my Mk 12 and it does have an advantage to your squad/plt over the enemy. I highly doubt that every squad will get this weapon because the Marine Corps is cheap and they never have enough of anything. Right now I am the platoon designated marksman simply because I am the only one that went to DM school and battalion could only afford to give 1 mk12 per platoon

[jagermeister]

I can't believe the Corps is going to put a Mk12 in every rifle squad. It just seems like the wrong weapon...


What would be the correct weapon?

[kinney_bmx]

What would be the correct weapon?
Not asking in a rude way but Yeah id like to know too. the mk.12 seems like a good enough weapon for the DM role.

[wild_wild_wes]

I just think the Mk12 is too fragile for squad use- mostly due to the optic.

Here is a DM rifle in use by the 82nd Airborne:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k132/pseudonominus/82ndAirborneDivisionsSDMrifle.jpg

I think the ACOG is more ideally suited for the SDM role.

Telestock is better too IMHO.

[SMGLee]

My friend in the Navy did a whole tour with his SPR, dring one of the operation, he did CQB over 200 + house to house entry with his SPR. and when ever required, he will climb to the top of the roof to do his over watch.

Mk12 is plenty rugged.

[wild_wild_wes]

Right, but there is also a high degree of complexity with using a 3X9 or whatever variable scope. Your friend was Spec Ops, was he not? These Mk12s would be going to a regular grunt. Even if he went to a DM school, would he have the time afterward to maintain proficiency with such a scope, in a typical Fleet environment of limited training opportunities? The ACOG with its BDC is much easier to use. I'm just sayin'.

[kinney_bmx]

Telestock is better too IMHO.
Yeah but arent alot of the spr's got either crane or the standard car stock?
Ive never seen a marine corps one but i kno the one used by army special forces seem to have the car butt.

[D.E. Watters]

Giving the Marksman the same optic as the rest of squad really doesn't add much. Remember, the Marines already field the 4x ACOG on issue M16A4 as the Rifle Combat Optic (RCO).

[jagermeister]

Giving the Marksman the same optic as the rest of squad really doesn't add much. Remember, the Marines already field the 4x ACOG on issue M16A4 as the Rifle Combat Optic (RCO).

+1 a 4X optic is not enough for a long range precision and a Leupold makes very rugged and reliable optics.

[jagermeister]

Yeah but arent alot of the spr's got either crane or the standard car stock?
Ive never seen a marine corps one but i kno the one used by army special forces seem to have the car butt.

I think the LMT gives a better cheek weld then any other.

[kinney_bmx]

I think the LMT gives a better cheek weld then any other.
Yeah it looks like it gives a good cheek weld. Does anybody know what sight US Army Special forces use on their mod 0s?

[dangerdan87]

an ACOG is a combat optic and isnt the best optic for precision shooting. It can be accurate, but it not that effective. Also with an ACOG, if you need to adjust windage/elevation, the ACOG isnt the quickest way to do so. You have to use holds (kentucky windage) to change your bullet impact. And if you do make adjustments with your ACOG, you have to beat the thing to set the reticle since it has a floating reticle. With a scope such as the Leupold MK4 MR/T, it has quick adjustment knobs and a non-floating reticle that lets you get on target fast and accurate.

If anybody has any argument over the ACOG/RCO of what I said, go ahead, but I have gone through Coaches Coarse and we have been taught about the RCO and how to use it more indepth.

[dangerdan87]

Yeah but arent alot of the spr's got either crane or the standard car stock?
Ive never seen a marine corps one but i kno the one used by army special forces seem to have the car butt.

The Marine Corps just slaps a Mk12 upper onto an M16A1 reciever with a 2 stage trigger. The Army has M4 bustocks on their Mk12s, which is where you probably saw the Mk12s with tele-stocks. The reson you have never seen the Marine Corps with M4 stocks is mainly because we dont have that big of a budget and the they just give us something and tell you to "make it work" pretty much.

[BrianT]

Yeah the telescoping buttstocks don't come with the Mk12. You just slap a M4 buffer tube on it.

[Kilo1-1]

Damn, some nice rifles here. You guys are going to be the end of me by tempting me to get a SPR Mod 1'ish upper for my AR.