North Korea

[Mortimer]

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/07/09/1057430281780.html

Disturbing article in the paper this morning.

Why is NK being forced to take this path? can't we just sit down an help them out.. this is a big problem and Iraq is merly a grain of sand in comparison I believe this needs to be soughted out over iraq and such places as liberia in terms of what the media is focusing on.

And if the US is only going to create more problems be making a blockade and imposing sanctions then someone else needs to take responsibility because like it says sabre rattling is only going to get them bitten. p-)

[He219]

Mortimer wrote:

Why is NK being forced to take this path? can't we just sit down an help them out..

And if the US is only going to create more problems be making a blockade and imposing sanctions then someone else needs to take responsibility

:cantbeli:

So who takes responsibility for North Korea?

The United States has been the largest food donor to North Korea since deliveries began during the famine that struck the country in the mid-1990's. In 2002, the United States delivered 155,000 metric tons to North Korea. After decades of mismanagement the North relies heavily on international food aid to feed its population while continuing to expend resources to maintain an army of about 1 million. North Korea's long-range missile development and research into nuclear, chemical and biological weapons along with massive conventional armed forces are of major concern to the international community. In December 2002, North Korea repudiated a 1994 agreement that shut down its nuclear reactors and expelled UN monitors.

Mortimer, you actually have the gall to say that North Korea is being forced to take the path of their choosing and that we should sit down and help them out! While the children of North Korea are forced to eat tree bark, Kim Jong Il watches his 42" Aquos Plasma Television from his luxury Armored train as he extorts the world for Food and Economic Aid with the threat of Nuclear Weapons Proliferation. The only saber rattling being done is by North Korea!

First justify your rationale for continued international subsidation of North Korean food stocks and energy assistance while Nuclear Weapons are blatently threatened to be sold on the international market. Justify South Korea's security without previous or future US involvement.


June 25, 1950: North Korea invades South Korea, launching the Korean War.

So you would pursue a continued policy of appeasement while North Korea currently owns 600 improved Scud missiles and its internationally renown Taepo Dong missiles are aimed towards not only the whole South Korea, but also part of Japan and at U.S. troops stationed in the Northeast pacific?

North Korea told the US that they already had nuclear weapons and threatened to test them or sell them to others if a security deal was not agreed. They also said they had already reprocessed the 8,000 plutonium fuel rods, which would allow the production of further weapons.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39127000/gif/_39127977_us_korea_talks2_203.gif

Enlighten us on how the World can be made safe from North Korea. Otherwise shut the hell up!

p-)
He219

[vryhpyammoadded]

And if the US is only going to create more problems be making a blockade and imposing sanctions then someone else needs to take responsibility because like it says sabre rattling is only going to get them bitten. p-)

So, what do we do? Do we pay them (NK) another four billion, build reactors and ask real nice, again, that they don't make Atomic weapons? :cantbeli:

[usa320]

what he said...

To bargain with that evil madman any more would be senseless. Any aid money that goes there ends up in his pocket anyways.

What he needs is a good :slap:

[Mortimer]

I don't have an opion on the matter i know very little about it, but in order to learn something i am making some comments on what i have observed recently.

I just don't believe this blockade is going to achieve much except war, what does a wild animal do if cornered?

[ESCOBAR]

He219
So who takes responsibility for North Korea?

Seriously....................do you actually believe the U.S or some other country takes responsibilty for another. A country is responsible for themselves, we are not here to take upon responsibilities of another.

Sure, KiM Jong Il has all those luxuries and his people dont..........but what about the United States? "It's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East Instead of war on poverty"------Tupac Shakur.

There's more problems in the U.S like the economy, education, poverty equal rights, gun control etc. FIX THAT BEFORE WE GOTO WAR

[martinexsquaddie]

North Korea is the last stalinist state its failing.
But the state controls what everybody hears and has a large military thats been on a war footing for 30 odd years .
Its not got a hope of Defeating ROk forces or US forces on the ground But the regime is paranoid and not really in touch with reality. This makes it Dangerous as it could do something unexpected which won't be sending George bush Birthday cake unfortunatly :(
The nuclear programme may be a bluff or not but I would'nt gamble on it being a bluff the regime is desperate. An invasion would be like invading japan at the end of WW2 the North koreans have been taught from birth to defeat the yankee devil and they don't have access to MTV.
Big problem don't give them food aid you may tip them over the edge.
Give them food aid you still have the problem of an angry madman with a grenade

[Seraphim]

North koreans have been taught from birth to defeat the yankee devil

Now dont you think thats a little biased?

[martinexsquaddie]

Thats how they think
Got a nice little musuem includes an axe used to murder some sleeping US soldiers in the 1970s they take school kids to see it.
yOUR NOT NOT DEALING WITH A REASONABLE state more like citzens of the matrix they still have weekly city wide air raid drills

[absdisc]

June 25, 1950: North Korea invades South Korea, launching the Korean War.

On August 15th, 1945, Emperor of Imperial Japan, Hirohito announced
on the radio that Japan had surrendered and that the long war in the
Pacific was over. This news came as a shock which rocked the very
core of the Japanese, in contrast, the news of the Japan's defeat
was welcome with a great amount of deal of relief and joy in Korea.

The 15th of August, 1945, the day that World War II was officially
over, was also the day of liberation and independence in Korea.

Unfortunately, independence from the Imperial Japan would not spell
the end of Korean misfortune. The division of Korea into two seperate
nations by world's two super power(Soviet Union and U.S.) loomed. which
events that would occur between independence day and August 25th,
1945 (which the day that two official governments formed in the Korean
Peninsular by foreign forces) would set the stage for the tragic Korean
war.

During the superpower occupation of Korean Peninsular, a dangerous
trend towards the creation of two separate regimes in Korea had begun.
The most noticable cause of this movement was the formation of quasi
governmental forms which possessed some adminitrative power such as
the Interim people's committee in North Korea, and Interim legislative
Assemply in South Korea. These semi-quasi governmental forms were
established by both Soviets and the U.S., which has led two Korea to held a seperate elections which has confirmed that the division of Korean peninsular was official and permanent...............................


So.. who takes responsibility for Korean crisis?

American, Russian, Chinese, North Korean, South Korean, Japan.

[CX20]

Martin's right, DPRK is not a normal country. The whole nation is engineered against the outside world. It is what the CIA call a "Denied State", i.e. the social and political infrastructutre are such that attempts to destabilize it through covert action would fail.

There was a documentary series on BBC this year called "Holidays In The Axis Of Evil" where a reporter went on holiday to all the nations named as such in George Bush's now famous speech. The one on DPRK was fascinating. The reporter had two DPRK military personnel (a young, good looking husband and wife team) at his side at all times. His whole holiday was scheduled and controlled by them, even a trip to the beach was strictly observed. They took him to the DPRK Military Museum, where they do indeed have an axe on display used to murder several US soldiers in the 1970s. There were also whole rooms packed full of captured US vehicles from the Korean War, as well as uniforms, weapons and artillery. The museum was by the side of a military naval base and moored outside it was the USS Pueblo, captured intact by DPRK troops in 1968 and kept as a trophy by the DPRK. The only damage to the ship was a single bullet hole in a door frame, which was fired by a US Navy officer at the DPRK troops as they breached the door. Over 360,000 DPRK citizens, including schoolchildren, have been shown round the ship.

Here's what the reporter had to say about Kim Jong-Il;

"BBC Four: Although the Dear Leader Kim Jong-il seems well aware of this...
BA: That was really my final thought. There's no way he can be interested in reunification. Him and his tiny group are the only ones who have access to the Internet and satellite TV and there aren't many that get to travel outside of North Korea. I'm certain that he realises that if doors were opened or even if satellite TV was allowed then they'd realise they were being lied to. It's estimated that the Great Famine in North Korea killed between three and four million people. They think it's even worse in the rest of the world. We spoke to some refugees who said that as soon as they hit China and saw these market stalls full of food they realised they'd been lied to."


Here's a link to the rest of that BBC interview with the BBC reporter who visited the countries concerned;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/axis.shtml

Here's a link to a translated official DPRK report about the USS Pueblo;

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2003/01/dprk012003.html

[Seiyuuki]

I don't have an opion on the matter i know very little about it, but in order to learn something i am making some comments on what i have observed recently.

I just don't believe this blockade is going to achieve much except war, what does a wild animal do if cornered?

Well, for one thing, with a wild animal, you can shoot a tranquilizer dart at it and drag it to the zoo. I don't think there a big enough tranquilizer for Kim Jong Il and N. Korea. It's an underestimation to deduce N. Korea to nothing less than a wild animal. Plus, they're not corner, they have options.


So.. who takes responsibility for Korean crisis?

American, Russian, Chinese, North Korean, South Korean, Japan.

Whatever is said and done, in the end, the one to take responsibility is the KOREAN...not North or South, but just that, the KOREAN. The world can do a lot of thing to help, but they are responsible for their own fate.