Britain gives Pakistan £1bn to fight extremism

[Lov3ll]

Britain gives Pakistan £1bn to fight extremism

Britain is doubling its aid to Pakistan to almost £500 million, reflecting concern over rising Islamic militancy in the lawless areas along the border with Afghanistan.
About a third of the money is expected to be spent in provinces abutting the porous western border, where the Taleban and other militant forces are increasingly challenging the authority of the central Government.
Douglas Alexander, the International Development Secretary, yesterday announced the £480 million package that will make Pakistan the second-largest recipient of British aid by 2011. More than £250 million will be earmarked for education, with plans to get five million Pakistani children into school and to boost training opportunities for young people.
Much of the extra money will go on improving schools in the border areas, in an attempt to tackle poor literacy, particularly among girls, which lags far behind Pakistan’s already low rate of about 50 per cent. There are hopes that such programmes will help the Pakistani Government to counter the influence of the radical madrassas that have become seedbeds of Islamic militancy.
“You can’t have any real successful efforts to counter radicalism without education,” said Robert Templer, director of the Asia programme at the International Crisis Group. “It’s desperately needed. If this area isn’t dealt with, it’s going to be a festering problem for decades to come.”

It is the first time that significant funding will be channelled towards Baluchistan and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, with a big increase also going to North West Frontier Province, areas that serve as a base for militants linked to the Taleban and al-Qaeda.
Thousands of Pakistani troops are currently engaged in fighting the insurgents responsible for cross-border attacks on Nato forces. Development work in these areas, considered unsafe for Western aid workers, is likely to pose a significant challenge. Hostility to outsiders has increased since US missile attacks on suspected militants inside Pakistan’s borders.
Most of the money will be channelled through central and local government, the Department for International Development said, while acknowledging that corruption would be a problem.
“We have been committed to helping Pakistan’s efforts in the fight against poverty for many years,” Mr Alexander said.

“Our aim is to continue to help improve poor people’s lives in key areas, making sure they have access to better healthcare, schools and employment opportunities.”
An MoD spokesman said: “The stability of the wider region, particu-larly the Pakistan border area, is vitally important to the continuing efforts to bring peace and security to Afghanistan. This cannot be achieved through just military means.”
In addition to the health and education programmes, Britain will provide £50 million to the State Bank of Pakistan to help to make loans and bank accounts available to the poor. Funds will also be available for reconstruction work in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. More than 80,000 people died in the earthquake that hit Pakistan’s northern areas in 2005. Britain has previously provided £128 million in relief and reconstruction aid.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4262774.ece

[Macs.]

If I get 1 Billion Pounds to solve a problem... I will be very interested in keeping this problem.

[oldsoak]

How about a tenth of that for kit for OUR blokes wot are fighting in Afghan ?
:bash:

[MoFo]

The f*ck is this!

[LRPV]

If I get 1 Billion Pounds to solve a problem... I will be very interested in keeping this problem.


If this is recurrent funding, the poms have dealt themselves a bad hand...

[Bitogno]

How much of this billion will be really used for fighting extremism ?

[SkyUS]

Waste of money, it will end up in some militants and politicians pocket.


Instead of spending this money on British guys and galls stationed in Afghanistan, let's just give it to Pakistan to fight the extremism.

[annihilation]

I agree what a waste of money. Better spent if they gave it to the troops. Pakistan wont do anything.

[soutikghosh]

Instead of giving aid in cash, I think it should be given in kind especially in Pakistan's case.

[Lazy Lob]

Property prices in Kensington about to go up.

[Hydro]

No wonder moneys tight. They keep giving my money away to crap like this.


Sooner or later we're going to need aid to put our kids through school, to cut our crime and to help outfit our armed forces.

[MoFo]

Sooner or later we're going to need aid to put our kids through school, to cut our crime and to help outfit our armed forces.

Blasphemy! the government cries.

[Thumpsquid]

Right, I'm off to change my name to "Pakistan," and I promise to fight against all extremism in Cardiff. Do you think that'll get me £1,000,000,000?

[Adux]

This is bloody great!!!!!

[LaoSexMachine]

I see alot more convenient stores being built in Houston.

[vinny_121_ND]

President Bush did the same thing before and it didn't lead to anything, except a sanctuary for taliban and fanatic muslim fighters. History repeats itself all over again.

[Limeyfellow]

Right, I'm off to change my name to "Pakistan," and I promise to fight against all extremism in Cardiff. Do you think that'll get me £1,000,000,000?

If you can elimate the evil of the Welsh sure go ahead. That will teach them for beating England in the Rugby.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

you are all whining about this
how do you think NATO transport supplies to afghanistan ? through Iran ?
why should Pakistan be a NATO puppet and kill its own people in the name of terrorism. ?
i think Pakistan deserve that billion pound..why ?
1 .for letting NATO transport its logistics through its territory
2. sacrifice that Pakistani soldiers made in the name of war on terror
billion euros is nothing compared to loosing thousands of lives for the US and NATO cause

[wildcat]

When will this tontoria end.

[Excalibur]

Very stupid and dangerous way to waste UK taxpayer's money.
Not only this money will not help to solve the problem, Pakistan will be more interested that the terror persist and even grow. Also, if necessary, they will remind the Britons in London and other British cities that the terror is still here. From now on the terror is kinda good business for Pakistan since it starts to generate a lot of money on the expense of British taxpayers.

[Macs.]

you are all whining about this
how do you think NATO transport supplies to afghanistan ? through Iran ?


Which nations have their logistic hubs for Afghanistan/Iraq placed in Pakistan ?

Germany has it's logistical hub for ISAF in Usbekistan. What about the US ? Kuwait ?

[Lazy Lob]

Very stupid and dangerous way to waste UK taxpayer's money.....

Our Dear Leader excels at squandering dosh.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

Which nations have their logistic hubs for Afghanistan/Iraq placed in Pakistan ?

Germany has it's logistical hub for ISAF in Usbekistan. What about the US ? Kuwait ?

Presumably there is a large amount of heavy kit that has to go overland into Afghanistan from ports. The only way that could get into A'stan is via Iran (not very likely) or Pakistan

[Macs.]

Presumably there is a large amount of heavy kit that has to go overland into Afghanistan from ports. The only way that could get into A'stan is via Iran (not very likely) or Pakistan

I doubt much is gonna go through Pakistan and into Afghanistan, in the support for OEF or ISAF.

First of all even the biggest kit such as a MBT Leopard are being flown into Afghanistan these days.

Delivering it throught the land way would not only be very hard (Close to impossible) through all the mountain areas of Afghanistan/Pakistan, but also very dangerous. (IED's, Ambushes etc.)

I believe the vast majority is done by Airlift. And I don't remember any logistic hubs for coalition forces in Pakistan. Someone can shed more light into this ?

[Adux]

Why not Turkeministan or Uzbekistan.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I doubt much is gonna go through Pakistan and into Afghanistan, in the support for OEF or ISAF.

First of all even the biggest kit such as a MBT Leopard are being flown into Afghanistan these days.

Delivering it throught the land way would not only be very hard (Close to impossible) through all the mountain areas of Afghanistan/Pakistan, but also very dangerous. (IED's, Ambushes etc.)

I believe the vast majority is done by Airlift. And I don't remember any logistic hubs for coalition forces in Pakistan. Someone can shed more light into this ?

I don't know. I think loose lips can sink ships.
So I'm gone.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

I doubt much is gonna go through Pakistan and into Afghanistan, in the support for OEF or ISAF.

First of all even the biggest kit such as a MBT Leopard are being flown into Afghanistan these days.

Delivering it throught the land way would not only be very hard (Close to impossible) through all the mountain areas of Afghanistan/Pakistan, but also very dangerous. (IED's, Ambushes etc.)

I believe the vast majority is done by Airlift. And I don't remember any logistic hubs for coalition forces in Pakistan. Someone can shed more light into this ?

sure broTaliban steals 3 choppers
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=15419

airlifting cost is too much and heavy equipment cant be airlifted
food and other essentials are transported via Pakistan

[Adux]

Some people are effin hilarious;

[Hydro]

heavy equipment cant be airlifted




Then how did Canada get their tanks there? Oh that's right, airlifted. How did the Dutch get their PZH2000's there? Oh that's right, airlifted. All courtesy of the C-17 and An-124 transport aircraft. None of which went via Pakistan. Certainly the Canadians went via Kyrgyzstan.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

Then how did Canada get their tanks there? Oh that's right, airlifted. How did the Dutch get their PZH2000's there? Oh that's right, airlifted. All courtesy of the C-17 and An-124 transport aircraft. None of which went via Pakistan. Certainly the Canadians went via Kyrgyzstan.

Canada could affort to airlift US cant.....
and canada has no other choice than to air lift. Canada doesn't have any capable transporting ships in its naval asset but the US does....

[Hydro]

Canada could affort to airlift US cant.....
and canada has no other choice than to air lift. Canada doesn't have any capable transporting ships in its naval asset but the US does....


Canada also doesn't have any C-17's or An-124's but still managed it - it's called alliances and rental. How do you come to the conclusion Canada can afford to airlift but the US can't, given that the US defence budget and ability to conduct heavy lift operations far outstrips that of Canada?

[Infanteer Two Seven]

U.S. asks Pakistan to provide security for transport


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WDQ/is_2001_Oct_1/ai_79580962

[Adux]

So that some people can understand,

http://media.maps.com/magellan/Images/AFGHAN-W1.gif


Pakistan doesnt have the infrastructure into Afghanistan nor the roads to have proper logistics chain. The on road facilities are very low in number not mention most of the border along Pakistan and Afghanistan is NOW controlled by terrorist or their sympathizer's in Pakistan armed forces.

[Clayton Gold]

Canada could affort to airlift US cant.....
and canada has no other choice than to air lift. Canada doesn't have any capable transporting ships in its naval asset but the US does....

Just stop.... now.

:cantbeli:

[Infanteer Two Seven]

Canada also doesn't have any C-17's or An-124's but still managed it - it's called alliances and rental. How do you come to the conclusion Canada can afford to airlift but the US can't, given that the US defence budget and ability to conduct heavy lift operations far outstrips that of Canada?

given the fact US if fighting iraq at the same time
given the fact US economy is going down
given the fact that oil price are rising

one more thing canada owns c-17 it doesnt rent or borrow
it has 4 c-17

[Adux]

"Canada can afford airlift, but US cant"
I need a gun......to effin shoot myself

Wait Trade deficit for $13 trillion dollar economy and Economic downturn means Third World Nation....oh that makes perfect sense

[Hydro]

given the fact US if fighting iraq at the same time
given the fact US economy is going down
given the fact that oil price are rising

one more thing canada owns c-17 it doesnt rent or borrow
it has 4 c-17



The CF was forced to rely entirely on leased An-124 Condors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-124) for a deployment to Haiti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti) in 2003, as well as a combination of leased Condors, Ilyushins and USAF C-17s for moving heavy equipment into Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan).


At the time of moving equipment into Afghan, Canada had no C-17's. It was as a result of this they ordered some.

The US can still afford to fight in Afghanistan whilst retaining the ability to keep a few planes flying, you know.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

Just stop.... now.

:cantbeli:

do u realize that US's main concern is IRAQ and not afghanistan

troops in iraq = approximatly 350 000
in afghanistan = approximatly 18 000

[Adux]

Hydro,

Arguing with an idiot will "bring" you down to his level.

[Hydro]

Hydro,

Arguing with an idiot will you down to his level.



Bring me down? I'm trying to bring myself up! ;)

[Adux]

do u realize that US's main concern is IRAQ and not afghanistan

troops in iraq = approximatly 350 000
in afghanistan = approximatly 18 000

Now go look at the population of these two, the threat perceptions of the two while you are at it the NATO members in Afghanistan. Stop embrassing yourself. Please.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

At the time of moving equipment into Afghan, Canada had no C-17's. It was as a result of this they ordered some.

The US can still afford to fight in Afghanistan whilst retaining the ability to keep a few planes flying, you know.

my question is why spend all $$$$$$$$$$$ on gas
rather then ship it through our most trusted ally "Pakistan"

[Adux]

Bring me down? I'm trying to bring myself up! ;)

Far too modest, A lost trait.:)

[Clayton Gold]

given the fact US if fighting iraq at the same time
given the fact US economy is going down
given the fact that oil price are rising

one more thing canada owns c-17 it doesnt rent or borrow
it has 4 c-17


do u realize that US's main concern is IRAQ and not afghanistan

troops in iraq = approximatly 350 000
in afghanistan = approximatly 18 000

So what exactly is the point you are trying to make here ?

It seems to me that you are not even sure.

Stop posting until you know what the hell you are talking about. Your facts are not even correct.

Everyone knows about your anti-american bias, and no one really cares - so stop trying to prove whatever it is you're about.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

Hydro,

Arguing with an idiot will "bring" you down to his level.

you are calling me an idiot while you cant engage in mature conversation.
calling me an idiot doesn't prove any of your point try harder

[Infanteer Two Seven]

So what exactly is the point you are trying to make here ?

It seems to me that you are not even sure.

Stop posting until you know what the hell you are talking about. Everyone knows about your anti-american bias, and no one really cares - so stop trying to prove whatever it is you're about.

my point was that America is too concentrated on Iraq
it cant afford to waste its resources on expensive transportation to Afghanistan. rather seek Pakistan's help of transporting its logistics through Pakistan. the mail route is through Peshawar to jalalabad

BTW I'M NOT ANTI-AMERICAN

[Macs.]

sure broTaliban steals 3 choppers
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=15419

airlifting cost is too much and heavy equipment cant be airlifted
food and other essentials are transported via Pakistan

Of course heavy equipment can be (to a extend) airlifted - How do you think the Leopards ended up in Kandahar ?

Still no one could answer: Is there any military/logistic hub of any nation involved in ISAF/OEF stationed in Pakistan ?

So far I have not heared of one.

And it sure is not worth putting 1 Billion pounds down the throat of Pakistan.

[LaoSexMachine]

my point was that America is too concentrated on Iraq
it cant afford to waste its resources on expensive transportation to Afghanistan. rather seek Pakistan's help of transporting its logistics through Pakistan. the mail route is through Peshawar to jalalabad

BTW I'M NOT ANTI-AMERICAN


Just stop posting.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

Just stop posting.
who the hell are you to say that

dont troll...unless your going to make a point

[LaoSexMachine]

who the hell are you to say that

dont troll...unless your going to make a point


Just stop posting.

[wildcat]

personally I feel that the UK government it to scared to face the extremism in the UK, they might hurt somebodies feelings, so I think the logic is throw some money to Pakistan and see if that will help solve the home problem. They could of save all that money, if the UK just let all those extremism get there way, in the UK, hang on, they don't need too, the extremism is already in UK, and seems more and more each day, they add somethings new to make UKistan.

I would love to know who's idea this is? I wondering if the people pushing the government are trying to get funding for extremism though pretending the moneys there to fight it.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

personally I feel that the UK government it to scared to face the extremism in the UK, they might hurt somebodies feelings, so I think the logic is throw some money to Pakistan and see if that will help solve the home problem. They could of save all that money, if the UK just let all those extremism get there way, in the UK, hang on, they don't need too, the extremism is already in UK, and seems more and more each day, they add somethings new to make UKistan.

I would love to know who's idea this is? I wondering if the people pushing the government are trying to get funding for extremism though pretending the moneys there to fight it.The UK is a tight wad they will not spend a penny without getting something in return, maybe because as an American you assume that there some Pakistani pressure group functioning as some invisable hand within the British government just as AIPAC bitch slaps and bullies your administration.

[wildcat]

The UK is a tight wad they will not spend a penny without getting something in return, maybe because as an American you assume that there some Pakistani pressure group functioning as some invisable hand within the British government just as AIPAC bitch slaps and bullies your administration.


yes that is what I was thinking, and I still do.

[Infanteer Two Seven]

personally I feel that the UK government it to scared to face the extremism in the UK, they might hurt somebodies feelings, so I think the logic is throw some money to Pakistan and see if that will help solve the home problem. They could of save all that money, if the UK just let all those extremism get there way, in the UK, hang on, they don't need too, the extremism is already in UK, and seems more and more each day, they add somethings new to make UKistan.

I would love to know who's idea this is? I wondering if the people pushing the government are trying to get funding for extremism though pretending the moneys there to fight it.

thats a pretty good argument, I'm aware of Pakistani-Briton's and their extremism. same as liberals in here visiting Tamil tigers in Sri Lanka for the sake of Tamil Canadians

[Adux]

BTW I'M NOT ANTI-AMERICAN

roflroflroflroflroflrofl

[Adux]

BTW I'M NOT ANTI-AMERICAN

roflroflroflroflroflrofl;

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

yes that is what I was thinking, and I still do.I would argue that the Indian lobby was stronger wthin the present Labour government.

[wildcat]

The UK is a tight wad

you strengthening my point, they don't want to spend it on the UK people. I don't think $2 billion will fix much in Pakistan, I don't think you can buy extremist, and I cannot see how this will help the Pakistan government change these peoples minds. The best way to fight the extremist in Pakistan is joint ops, lots of bloodshed, I don't think there is an easy answer to the problem.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

I would argue that the Indian lobby was stronger wthin the present Labour government.

Spot on.
123456

[wildcat]

I would argue that the Indian lobby was stronger wthin the present Labour government.

so in the UK there is only one lobby, and that the Pakistan and muslin don't have a lobby/say. so what if the Indian lobby is stronger.

[a_very_ex_STAB]

you strengthening my point, they don't want to spend it on the UK people. I don't think $2 billion will fix much in Pakistan, I don't think you can buy extremist, and I cannot see how this will help the Pakistan government change these peoples minds. The best way to fight the extremist in Pakistan is joint ops, lots of bloodshed, I don't think there is an easy answer to the problem.

Your gov chucks money around doesn't it? You're talking like the UK is only one that does this.:roll:

[wildcat]

Your gov chucks money around doesn't it? You're talking like the UK is only one that does this.:roll:
sure does (they just cannot print enough of it), but hang on did you not just agree with Bacilluspolymyxa that the UK is tight wad? now you saying it chucks money around with out care. I am confused:|

[Adux]

Let me guess, India Lobby wants more 'Nisha Pillai's in BBC and more tandoori houses and is not in the habbit of blowing themselves, unlike some are very tax abiding and contributing citizens. But hey, whatever for an arguement.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

sure does (they just cannot print enough of it), but hang on did you not just agree with Bacilluspolymyxa that the UK is tight wad? now you saying it chucks money around with out care. I am confused:|The UK is a tight wad the only reason they are willing to part with money is if they are getting something in return. In this case the return is an unknown but you can be sure were getting something. Maybe time to buy into BAE Sytstems.