UK: Islam in Schools

[Lazy Lob]

From The Telegraph


Schoolboys disciplined for 'refusing to pray to Allah'
By Nick Britten
Last Updated: 12:37AM BST 05/07/2008
Two schoolboys were allegedly disciplined after refusing to kneel down and "pray to Allah" during a religious education lesson.

A spokesman for Cheshire County Council said 'Educating children in the beliefs of different faiths is part of Cheshire's diversity curriculum'

It was claimed that the boys, from a year seven class of 11 and 12-year-olds, were given detention after refusing to take part in a practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.

Yesterday parents accused the school of breaching their human rights by forcing them to take part in the exercise.

One, Sharon Luinen, said: "This isn't right, it's taking things too far. I understand that they have to learn about other religions. I can live with that but it is taking it a step too far to be punished because they wouldn't join in Muslim prayer.

"Making them pray to Allah, who isn't who they worship, is wrong and what got me is that they were told they were being disrespectful."

Another parent Karen Williams, 38, whose 12-year-old daughter is a classmate of the boys, said: "I am absolutely furious my daughter was made to take part in it and I don't find it acceptable.

"The teacher had gone into the class and made them watch a short film and then said 'we are now going out to pray to Allah'.

"Then two boys got detention and all the other children missed their refreshments' break."

She added: "Not only was it forced upon them, my daughter was told off for not doing it right.

"They'd never done it before and they were supposed to do it in another language."

She said the pupils were asked if they had water on them, and when one girl produced a bottle, the teacher began washing her feet with it.

Her husband Keith, 44, a painter and decorator, said: "The school is wonderful but this one teacher has made a major mistake. It seems to be happening throughout society. People think they can ride roughshod over our beliefs and the way we live."

The alleged incident, at the Alsager school, one of Cheshire's top performing schools, happened on Tuesday afternoon. The teacher, Alison Phillips, the school's subject leader in RE, is understood to be staying away from the school until the furore dies down, although she has not been suspended.

She is said to have got prayer mats out of the cupboard and also asked children to wear Islamic headdresses.

Deputy headmaster Keith Plant said: "I have spoken to the teacher and she has articulately given me her version of events."

Sources at the school said the incident could have been down to Miss Phillips instigating a role play and not properly briefing the pupils, all aged around 12, what she was doing.

A spokesman for Cheshire County Council said they were investigating. He added: "The headteacher contacted the authority immediately complaints were received. Enquiries are being made into the circumstances as a matter of urgency and all parents will be informed accordingly.

"Educating children in the beliefs of different faiths is part of Cheshire's diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is, of course, is essential to understanding.

"We accept that such teaching has to be conducted with commonsense and sensitivity."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2247388/Schoolboys-disciplined-for-%27refusing-to-pray-to-Allah%27.html

[Adux]

Whats wrong with you BRITS!!!! You are in a way encouraging conversion in your schools, in this case the first step towards forced conversions. This is not for 11 year olds.

[Hydro]

Whats wrong with you BRITS!!!!



It is quite easy. We are governed by a (and I choose my words carefully here) a bunch of twats. We cannot get rid of them because a) There's no General Election for a while and b) when there is a General Election, the only options are to vote for another bunch of twats.

[Lazy Lob]

It is quite easy. We are governed by a (and I choose my words carefully here) a bunch of twats. We cannot get rid of them because a) There's no General Election for a while and b) when there is a General Election, the only options are to vote for another bunch of twats.

Commonly known as Twatocracy.

[eurekaa]

wait a minute ..

Its a normal punishment for such reasons If it was an Islamic religious school , and its the same in all such kinds of schools including the Christians schools in the west as well ,

Its the mistake of the parents them self to let their children join these type of schools if they do not like their regime from very beginning ..

Also in these schools the teachers can not force or even teach the students religions that is not theirs , and sure they are blamed if they did ..

And its on the contrary for the regular schools ..

In our ME countries , the Moslems and Christians study together in the same schools , but when it comes to the religious classes they got separated and each go to study their own religious syllabus ..

[Bushranger]

Are the English going F*cking mad??????????????? What the F*ck has religion got to do with education, here in Australia if you go to a govt run school the only time you talk about religion is when you have a class of it & you are seperated into your onw denomination so you dont hear about other religions they would never even mention religion in class apart from saying people worship different things. Im fed up hearing all these retarded comments coming out of the UK, get your act together i say.

[Excalibur]

It is quite easy. We are governed by a (and I choose my words carefully here) a bunch of twats. We cannot get rid of them because a) There's no General Election for a while and b) when there is a General Election, the only options are to vote for another bunch of twats.
if so, expect the rise of support for ultra-right neo-nazi extremists in UK.

[Lazy Lob]

wait a minute ..

Its a normal punishment for such reasons If it was a religious school , and its the same in all such kinds of schools including the Christians schools in the west as well ,

Its the mistake of the parents them self to let their children join these type of schools if they do not like their regime from very beginning ..

And its on the contrary for the regular schools ..

It's a comprehensive.

[Calanen]

wait a minute ..

Its a normal punishment for such reasons If it was a religious school , and its the same in all such kinds of schools including the Christians schools in the west as well ,

Its the mistake of the parents them self to let their children join these type of schools if they do not like their regime from very beginning ..

And its on the contrary for the regular schools ..

Its NOT a religious school. Its a government school. It's not even an Islamic school.

[Calanen]

if so, expect the rise of support for ultra-right neo-nazi movements in UK.

You don't need ultra right nazi movements - you just need centrist governments with common sense. The PC stuff is just mind blowing stupidity. All common sense and reason has gone out the window as people chant the same mantras..tolerance- moral relativism - any criticism of anyone must be racism, unless they are white. Its frustrating that such depths of stupidity pervade the national psyche.

[Adux]

if so, expect the rise of support for ultra-right neo-nazi extremists in UK.

I see the same in India, The appeasement of any particular community or section is not good. We have had enough of this bull****.

[smalandian]

if so, expect the rise of support for ultra-right neo-nazi extremists in UK.

I think you are right actually. I see that tendency here in Sweden as a response at the politicians' lack of backbone - and their PC-game.

[eurekaa]

Its NOT a religious school. Its a government school. It's not even an Islamic school.

In that case its an idiot act of them to do so , for sure such acts must be condemned ..

[Hydro]

An aggravating point is that these silly acts that grab the top headline of the Daily Mail or The Sun are usually not products of any Islamic input, they're inevitably cooked up by committees of white, middle class co-ordinators (I HATE that word) who are as woolly headed as the cardigans they wear and the beards they sport to "celebrate diversity" (I HATE that term).


It's now past 1pm, I'm going to drink away my Saturday frustrations. Unless it's now illegal to drink on my own property, which wouldn't surprise me any more.

[Adux]

The problem with intellectuals, is that they are devoid of reality and believes they are somehow better than the common folk(an act of discrimination in itself) therefore they beleive it is their duty to lead these lesser folk to the light in their perverted utopian ideas. They are selfish pricks.

[Jarhead]

It's now past 1pm, I'm going to drink away my Saturday frustrations. Unless it's now illegal to drink on my own property, which wouldn't surprise me any more.
Have one on me....I´ll also start to drink now.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

We had this sh$t at secondry school in the 80's it's a complete nonense what kid wants to listen to some Iman, Rabbi or Hindu priest twaddle on for hours. And the role play is a waste of time.

[smalandian]

The problem with intellectuals, is that they are devoid of reality and believes they are somehow better than the common folk(an act of discrimination in itself) therefore they beleive it is their duty to lead these lesser folk to the light in their perverted utopian ideas. They are selfish pricks.

Exactly.....and spread "feel of guilt" etc.. seems to be an almost compulsory act

[Wildgoose]

I loved the 3 years when I was stationed at RAF Greenham Common, but it was the start of the PC-era in Britain. I remember watching some program on ITV and this Nigerian mother was screaming at some school administrator in a local town. She said she wanted her children to be served "African food" at school lunch. The administrator was trying to placate and bend over backwards to accomodate the woman. Try that in an American school and see how far you would've gone. African or not, you get to eat the same crappy lunch food that all American kids eat. That is America. We share our miseries with all who come to our shores.

I left the UK with good friends and a good feeling about the country. I really and truly hope you Brits can take down this PC monster and send it packing.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Try that in an American school and see how far you would've gone. African or not, you get to eat the same crappy lunch food that all American kids eat. That is America. We share our miseries with all who come to our shores.I know for a fact that some schools on Long Island allow for Kosher dietry regimes so I guess Americans bend in the wind.

[Wildgoose]

I know for a fact that some schools on Long Island allow for Kosher dietry regimes so I guess Americans bend in the wind.

Granted, however if the kids do not wish to eat kosher then that is their choice. Bending is one thing, bending over (like the UK) is a whole different story. I'll be taking my kid out of the school for that session if any American teacher decides to pull that stunt over here.

[muck]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031784/Schoolboys-punished-detention-refusing-kneel-pray-Allah.html



Schoolboys punished with detention for refusing to kneel in class and pray to Allah By Daily Mail Reporter (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Daily+Mail+Reporter)
Last updated at 11:30 AM on 04th July 2008
Two schoolboys were given detention after refusing to kneel down and 'pray to Allah' during a religious education lesson.
Parents were outraged that the two boys from year seven (11 to 12-year-olds) were punished for not wanting to take part in the practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.
They said forcing their children to take part in the exercise at Alsager High School, near Stoke-on-Trent - which included wearing Muslim headgear - was a breach of their human rights.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/04/article-1031784-01D88B3100000578-911_468x262.jpg Alsager School, near Stoke, has received furious complaints from parents after two Year 7 boys were punished for refusing to kneel to Allah during a religious studies class

One parent, Sharon Luinen, said: "This isn't right, it's taking things too far.
"I understand that they have to learn about other religions. I can live with that but it is taking it a step too far to be punished because they wouldn't join in Muslim prayer.
"Making them pray to Allah, who isn't who they worship, is wrong and what got me is that they were told they were being disrespectful.
"I don't want this to look as if I have a problem with the school because I am generally very happy with it."
Another parent Karen Williams said: "I am absolutely furious my daughter was made to take part in it and I don't find it acceptable.
"I haven't got a problem with them teaching my child other religions and a small amount of information doesn't do any harm.
"But not only did they have to pray, the teacher had gone into the class and made them watch a short film and then said 'we are now going out to pray to Allah'.
"Then two boys got detention and all the other children missed their refreshment break because of the teacher.
"Not only was it forced upon them, my daughter was told off for not doing it right.
"They'd never done it before and they were supposed to do it in another language."
"My child has been forced to pray to Allah in a school lesson." The grandfather of one of the pupils in the class said: "It's absolutely disgusting, there's no other way of putting it.
"My daughter and a lot of other mothers are furious about their children being made to kneel on the floor and pray to Islam. If they didn't do it they were given detention.
"I am not racist, I've been friendly with an Indian for 30 years. I've also been to a Muslim wedding where it was explained to me that alcohol would not be served and I respected that.
"But if Muslims were asked to go to church on Sunday and take Holy Communion there would be war."

Parents said that their children were made to bend down on their knees on prayer mats which the RE teacher had got out of her cupboard and they were also told to wear Islamic headgear during the lesson on Tuesday afternoon.
Deputy headmaster Keith Plant said: "It's difficult to know at the moment whether this was part of the curriculum or not. I am not an RE teacher, I am an English teacher.
"At the moment it is our enterprise week and many of our members of staff are away.
"The particular member of staff you need to speak to isn't around. I think that it is a shame that so many parents have got in touch with the Press before coming to me.
"I have spoken to the teacher and she has articulately given me her version of events, but that is all I can give you at the moment."
A statement from Cheshire County Council on behalf of the school read: "The headteacher David Black contacted this authority immediately complaints were received.

"Enquiries are being made into the circumstances as a matter of urgency and all parents will be informed accordingly.
"Educating children in the beliefs of different faith is part of the diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is essential to understanding.
"We accept that such teaching is to be conducted with some sense of sensitivity."

Seriously, what the fvck?

If we'd force Muslim schoolboys to pray to our God, I don't even want to imagine what would happen then.

"Hooray, we surrender!" - Henryk M. Broder, about the islamization of Europe

[b0sco]

Didn't you hear it yet, British Muslims are the new Jews in Europe.


Ehh, yeah

[Jagdtiger]

repost?!

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=137249

[muck]

Yes, right. My bad.

[IronFinn]

After reading that article I sat speechless for a moment. Then I felt sympathy anger for these british families rise in me, that is really something.

[bersaglieri]

She said she wanted her children to be served "African food" at school lunch.

Where's the harm in that?






I mean , it would be a hell of a lot cheaper for the school budget.




Half a cup of cholera infected water and some grass stems you have to fight the goats for must come cheaper than chips,pizza and ice cream.

[wildcat]

Where's the harm in that?






I mean , it would be a hell of a lot cheaper for the school budget.




Half a cup of cholera infected water and some grass stems you have to fight the goats for must come cheaper than chips,pizza and ice cream.

LOL roflroflroflroflroflroflroflrofl

[quinsen]

That's disgusting. Seems like the result of extreme political correctness like we have in germany from time to time.

[big_les]

The fact that this is being investigated by the council should mean that things are set right. This is likely the result of one or two hippy idiots doing what they thought was the right thing.

The other possibility is that these kids were being little shytes in some way, got bollocked for it, and then made up or exaggerated the claims to avoid punishment or get back at the teachers.

[Blue_0]

This is nuts! -> I guess I am to used to seperation of church at state.

[SilentType]

Whats wrong with you BRITS!!!! You are in a way encouraging conversion in your schools, in this case the first step towards forced conversions. This is not for 11 year olds.

+1 Come on for Pete's sake Brits.

Stop bending over backwards to be P.C. it's gone from slightly funny to insane.

[nullterm]

Props to the kids for standing up for their beliefs. Separation people, separation.

[wildcat]

The fact that this is being investigated by the council should mean that things are set right. This is likely the result of one or two hippy idiots doing what they thought was the right thing.

The other possibility is that these kids were being little shytes in some way, got bollocked for it, and then made up or exaggerated the claims to avoid punishment or get back at the teachers.

regardless if they did, the school still admits that they have to do this diverse line of education. Many parents in that Alsager school are pissed there children are forced to do this, the complaints are not just from these 2 boys. Kids should not have to pray to anybody if they do not want.

I want if the teacher was Talaban forcing the infidel kids to pray, and grow facial hair, and become true believers.

I personally think that educating people to be diverse is wrong, that should come from the parents. Schools are to educate, teach knowledge, help you know how to learn, not push other people political correctness agenda, beliefs etc. having a class on religion is fine, having to pray is another too far. I believe in freedom of religion and this was a violation.

[HappyHeady]

WOW. Thats so ****ed up. I bet in the USA the school would be sued to death. I hope some parents will take actions.

Even if it is a roleplay, it involves religous content and to force someone to do it is against the Human Rights. Lets hope the teacher gets punished for this misbehavior.

I would refuse to do this sh*t too, even if I would get thrown out of school.

Looks like the government wants to crawl in the muslims arse.
Great fail Britain.

[haim174]

Didn't you hear it yet, British Muslims are the new Jews in Europe.


Ehh, yeah

why wont you go to Hell M'r guy ho needs to go o Hell!!!!

[b0sco]

wat .......

[vinny_121_ND]

I would be very very furious. I want an apology and a lot of compensation.

[Moledet]

I suggest a Water War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80y_Gnm9MWo
It was on Friday (video is from 2006).
Pics from Friday
http://site.msn.co.il/temonot/default.aspx?IID=1930

[SR25]

Calanen, centrists governments will pretty much not solve anything. They will still quiet down in their own interests, but to throw a bone to the public they will introduce something like "double the visa fees for "evil" foreigners". I've seen similar things done before.

I experienced similar situation but on a much much smaller scale, basically to outline briefly, teacher kept saying few things which she shouldn't have. All that was in the school where my daughter goes, and what happened in the end? Nothing. Why ?
Well, parents obviously got pissed off (including me), talk spread like a wild fire, but instead of preparing a big f*** off complaint, nobody did anything, just isolated unhappy statements. It's nothing to do with tolerance and stuff like that. There should be a sort of "natural instinct" to protect own religious positions and views and it doesn't mean going into the extreme at all.
The system of complaints, which is so effective in the UK, is barely used in regards to issues similar to ones described in the Telegraph article. Instead, the "fist waving" attitude is somehow gets promoted.

To even think to force school children to pray Muslim prays in a Christian country is very cheeky (to say the least), and person who enforced that should be told off big time or warned. There is no need to b**ch about government here. Instead parents have to organise a huge and effective set of complaints to make sure that these sort of stunts do not happen again.

[Aerosoul]

Burn down the school.

[Andrew116]

Burn down the school.

I'll get the torches and pitchforks

[Calanen]

Calanen, centrists governments will pretty much not solve anything. They will still quiet down in their own interests, but to throw a bone to the public they will introduce something like "double the visa fees for "evil" foreigners". I've seen similar things done before.

For all its sins, the right wing government of John Howard always told the muslims to go take a running jump whenever they wanted some special treatment. This means that Australia is along way ahead of the UK in the stealth jihad destroying our beliefs and institutions. This may be all undone now with the left wing government that has now taken over. I hope not, but, they do have some pretty loony left people in the Cabinet, even if Rudd himself is a right wing lefty (he likes guns).



I experienced similar situation but on a much much smaller scale, basically to outline briefly, teacher kept saying few things which she shouldn't have. All that was in the school where my daughter goes, and what happened in the end? Nothing. Why ?


What was the situation?


Well, parents obviously got pissed off (including me), talk spread like a wild fire, but instead of preparing a big f*** off complaint, nobody did anything, just isolated unhappy statements. It's nothing to do with tolerance and stuff like that. There should be a sort of "natural instinct" to protect own religious positions and views and it doesn't mean going into the extreme at all.

How you choose to deal with it is of course personal choice. But, I think the UK needs to mobilise a national defence of the culture, heritage and institutions. Otherwise it will all be gone in this multicultist moral relativism.



The system of complaints, which is so effective in the UK, is barely used in regards to issues similar to ones described in the Telegraph article. Instead, the "fist waving" attitude is somehow gets promoted.


I dont think complaints would help that much in the UK. The UK Ministry of Education recently released a document in combination with the Muslim Council of Britain which says that all sorts of special accommodations have to be made for islamic children. I imagine the Ministry would give this teacher a gold star for her performance.


To even think to force school children to pray Muslim prays in a Christian country is very cheeky (to say the least), and person who enforced that should be told off big time or warned. There is no need to b**ch about government here. Instead parents have to organise a huge and effective set of complaints to make sure that these sort of stunts do not happen again.

I think the problem is a bit more endemic than just one teacher being out of line. I posted here a copy of the Ministry of Education's document, saying that islamic children are entitled to all sorts of special treatment and that islamic studies have to be incorporated into the curriculum. It's part of the whole 'It's cool to hate ourselves and important to value other cultures more than our own' trend, and at the top of the list (because they are by far the most aggressive) is the appeasement of islam.

[tonyant9999]

i went to that high school. What a claim to fame.

[vinny_121_ND]

Forcing someone to worship another God is just purely wrong.

[Hollis]

Forcing someone to worship another God is just purely wrong.



Well said, This should never have been done. I am not against learning about other people's beliefs. I think it helps to improve how people interact. It should never have gotten to this point. Very poor decision making.

[Ali Baba]

it is what the ****, Since when is Forcing your Religion on someone halal? , You Inform them and teach then, Not Make then Do it. That is just Pure BS., British Muslims are seriously giving us a Bad name.. Best thing to do is Shut the **** up and Listen, Dont Talk, ive been doing it 80% of the time and its doing wonders.

[Vehemence]

Forcing someone to worship another God is just purely wrong.

Religion is wrong!

[domokun]

Religion is wrong!

x2
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[big_les]

regardless if they did, the school still admits that they have to do this diverse line of education. Many parents in that Alsager school are pissed there children are forced to do this, the complaints are not just from these 2 boys. Kids should not have to pray to anybody if they do not want.

I want if the teacher was Talaban forcing the infidel kids to pray, and grow facial hair, and become true believers.

I personally think that educating people to be diverse is wrong, that should come from the parents. Schools are to educate, teach knowledge, help you know how to learn, not push other people political correctness agenda, beliefs etc. having a class on religion is fine, having to pray is another too far. I believe in freedom of religion and this was a violation.

I agree - if that's a true reflection of how the school does things, these kids and their parents have my admiration for standing up to it. Just trying to account for all possibilities.

[tyovan]

Just imagine how those hippies would be screaming if those were some Muslims kids forced to pray to Jesus in a British government run school!!



Britain, Britain, Britain - you are giving away your own culture.. :-(

[Calanen]

The problem is that once upon a time, kids in England knew what England stood for. They were proud of the monarchy, the Empire. Now it's all about how the Empire and the monarchy are fascist imperialist capitalist globalising pig dogs which do not understand the enlightened doctrine of sharia, with its subjugation of women, barbaric punishments and second class status of other religions. It's cool to have white guilt and hate ourselves. It's cool to embrace any 'other' culture as better. And because we hate ourselves, we are not defending ourselves.

But what we need to realise is that the 'culture' which the youth think is the imperalist globalist capitalist fascist culture - is what made the UK a good place to move to. It's what made Hong Kong a good place to live. Its what made India into the powerhouse it is today, with its sensible government, laws and the railways. Wherever the English common law has been there has been stability and prosperity, and wherever it has been done away with there is violence and instability.

The American culture, the Australian culture, the English culture, the European culture. These civilised nations with there respect for the rule of law, and freedom have made them into the prosperous and stable nations. The culture of Islamofacism has ensured that the Middle East has remained backward, and if it would not for petroleum they would have nothing at all. This same backwards culture should not be seen as desirable in the UK, or Australia or America. This same macho shoot guns in the air, go crazy and blow things up if anyone ever does anything you don't like. It is a childish way of thinking, which only leads to economic misery, death, and destruction.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

The fact that this is being investigated by the council should mean that things are set right. This is likely the result of one or two hippy idiots doing what they thought was the right thing.

The other possibility is that these kids were being little shytes in some way, got bollocked for it, and then made up or exaggerated the claims to avoid punishment or get back at the teachers.Yeah sounds about right, these days parents can opt of RE and cultural awareness when I was at school the Catholics, Hindus, Muslims and Jews had to listen to some cranky old Church of Scotland Minister rant on about the only one true faith.

[wicked_hind]

What the hell was that teacher thinking? Someone over there oughta give that teacher a punch in the face.Oh wait, that would only make the teacher an "innocent" victim. And they want to know why some of us look at them with suspicion?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Seriously, what the fvck?

If we'd force Muslim schoolboys to pray to our GodOur god is their god, who is your god?

[Loki77]

Our god is their god, who is your god?
Maybe, Buddha!

[domokun]

Our god is their god, who is your god?

There is no god according to science, there is no need for it. :)

[helomech]

That teacher needs to be kicked in the temple,numerous times

:fork:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

There is no god according to science, there is no need for it. :)I am inclined to agree so praying to a big fat "0" should cause no offense to anyone.

[oldsoak]

I am inclined to agree so praying to a big fat "0" should cause no offense to anyone.

Heretic, it is the Binary 1 you should pray to !

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Heretic, it is the Binary 1 you should pray to !I am a devotee of the breakaway Order Of The Digitus 0

[Lazy Lob]

Heretic, it is the Binary 1 you should pray to !

rofl nice one!

[Starlight]

Just before I left North Carolina for the UK in March, the American Family Association were running a series titled "Silencing the Christians" in which a school in California was running a curriculum for the entire semester, in which the children were required to assume Islamic names, learn verses of the Koran and wear Islamic dress. I grew up attending schools with Jewish, Islamic, Hindu and a full range of Christian denominations, we all had separate religious instruction, and were friends across the board, long before the stupid PC ideas came into being!

[sikh_warrior]

is this report a joke or a serious news?

if its serious, the brits really dont know what they are upto!

[Thom]

Hahahahaha this thread is very funny. Seriously did most of you even read the article before you jumped to your keyboard in moral indignation.

All this is, is one teacher either making a mistake with her lesson plan or being over zealous in promoting her beliefs. Now obviously it's not on and she should be disiplined in the correct manner, but to think this is somehow institutional or some sort of PC initiative is rather stretching the article. It's just sensationlist rubbish trying to get people up in arms about Islam getting special treatment and being taught to our kids! When in fact it was one teacher who made a mistake and crossed the line from teaching about a religion to seemingly make the kids practice it.

[martinexsquaddie]

feed dawkins raw steak and let him at her:)
re isn't a real subject anyway

[big_les]

Hahahahaha this thread is very funny. Seriously did most of you even read the article before you jumped to your keyboard in moral indignation.

All this is, is one teacher either making a mistake with her lesson plan or being over zealous in promoting her beliefs. Now obviously it's not on and she should be disiplined in the correct manner, but to think this is somehow institutional or some sort of PC initiative is rather stretching the article. It's just sensationlist rubbish trying to get people up in arms about Islam getting special treatment and being taught to our kids! When in fact it was one teacher who made a mistake and crossed the line from teaching about a religion to seemingly make the kids practice it.

It wasn't even that mate - it was an RE lesson where kids were supposed to roleplay what people of a given religion do in order to pray. They objected (for whatever reason) and so got disciplined. Had they got their parents to call the teacher in advance, there wouldn't have been an issue. In other words, it's just as likely that the kids were misbehaving, as it is that they suddenly realised they'd have to act out muslim prayer despite being devout christians.

Maybe the teacher took it too far? Maybe the kids did? Who knows. But this isn't a case of children being made to pray to Allah. It's role play FFS. Acting. If a child refused to take part in a drug-dealing RP in drug education class, he'd get bollocked, and rightly so. RP in this case should only trouble the extra religious or atheist, and those people would have been allowed (at my school at any rate) to duck out given a bit of notice and a valid reason.

Otherwise, you come to do your daft roleplay session, and little jimmy says "can't miss, I'm rastafarian. I'll be offended", when he's nothing of the sort, just to get out of it or to cause a fuss.

You might argue that roleplay is stupid, but there's no doubt some kids learn better by doing, so do you stay away from religious roleplay?

[sikh_warrior]

i agree most people just read the headlines and start writing!

anyway where is my jeep?

[Hilbert]

Forcing someone to worship another God is just purely wrong.

Agreed, if the whole thing we're purely optional well that would be one thing but friggin making it mandatory and punishing the kids if they choose not to worship Allah for the sake of "diversity." That's just messed up, or better yet as you put it, just flat out wrong.

[Sinaloense]

It seems to me the Brits bend over backwards to appease their muslim brethern.

[big_les]

OH FFS. Read the damn thread! It was a religious education lesson involving ROLE PLAY. ACTING. If they didn't want to take part (and I wouldn't have in their shoes) they should have got their parents to exempt them from it. Or just suck it up and get through it. They caused disruption, the teacher disciplined them for it.

Take issue with modern teaching practices or excessive punishment for disobedience if you like, but this incident is NOTHING to do with appeasing muslims.

[Lazy Lob]

OH FFS. Read the damn thread! It was a religious education lesson involving ROLE PLAY. ACTING. If they didn't want to take part (and I wouldn't have in their shoes) they should have got their parents to exempt them from it. Or just suck it up and get through it. They caused disruption, the teacher disciplined them for it.

Take issue with modern teaching practices or excessive punishment for disobedience if you like, but this incident is NOTHING to do with appeasing muslims.

big_les you are quite right. This has nothing to do about appeasement but it does have to do about a certain sector of their “congregation” who are intent on testing society’s legal and real boundaries. These types of situations do come along every so often and you have to be a prat not to realise they’re orchestrated by some “betty swollocked” village elder in some dingy room in Brummie-ville. It has happened before…..remember… wigs and burkas in court, teachers in masks ‘n shyte. They look like Gerry Anderson puppets, a pathetic spectacle. Ahmed Blofeld (no white pussy on his lap, just a big black one on his chin) would disown them it's so sad. ;)

But worse are the silly cnuts in power who get a stiffy rushing to aid these twats. And .... puff, puff, ...my rant.

[Mastermind]

So...we now know the problem...and, I know you Brits are under some sort of "hate speech sends you to the bollick" rule there in country...so I will be reading between the lines and all....what's the solution?

[Lazy Lob]

So...we now know the problem...and, I know you Brits are under some sort of "hate speech sends you to the bollick" rule there in country...so I will be reading between the lines and all....what's the solution?

We are governed by twats on a diet of numbers 'n targets laid out by bigger twats in power..........who we voted for. Sad.

[Mastermind]

Hmmm...sounds very much like what is going on here...so...now we must ask...What friggin New-Day "Pope" is running the show?