Scientology exploits wounded servicemen

[big_les]

The scientology cult is pushing its entry-level schtick (Dianetics) pretty hard at the moment, and one of the videos on its revamped site (youtube hosted) features a (fake) US soldier getting shot and returning home to face difficulties. Of course, only L Ron Blubtard's dianetics pseudoscience can help him >:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt9SyNpirdo

^1:45 in.

[Kaapeli]

"We're sorry, this video is no longer available."

[wildcat]

"We're sorry, this video is no longer available."
x2 that one

[Lov3ll]

Click the link, the user has disabled embed.

[Alexandr]

Saentology is forbidden here as "destructive sectarian cult".
I wonder why you still let them operate.
Waiting for new a-la Jonestown massacre?

[wildcat]

wow, interesting video, well guess I just solve all world issue, Dianetics is the answer

[Snoshi]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/7/73/Bitches_don%27t_know_bout_my_thetans.jpg

[Power_serj]

You watch the other videos and you see they have all this hi-tech to appeal to younger people. They have classes, books etc... It's a f*cking corrupt buisness not a church! Those as*holes don't pay taxes either, wtf?!

[wildcat]

You watch the other videos and you see they have all this hi-tech to appeal to younger people. They have classes, books etc... It's a f*cking corrupt buisness not a church! Those as*holes don't pay taxes either, wtf?!


I seen this crap at the mall, where they measure you stress or some Sh!t, I had them do then I told them it BS and left it at that. They want to sell you that Dianetics crap.

[INAT]

This quote is all I need to know about the Hubbard and his fake relgion.

“If you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion.” L.Hubbard

[Paddy51]

I seen this crap at the mall, where they measure you stress or some Sh!t, I had them do then I told them it BS and left it at that. They want to sell you that Dianetics crap.

I looked at their material once and it is scary, unfounded mumbo jumbo i.e. CRAP.

They use their pseudo personality tests to pray on young people who are perhaps searching for some meaning and truth in their lives. Most young people go through periods like that.

I regard these people as dangerous.

[Paddy51]

This quote is all I need to know about the Hubbard and his fake relgion.

“If you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion.” L.Hubbard

The quote totally sums it up doesn´t it. L. Ron Hubbard wrote Science Fiction, seems to have suffered some kind of mental health problem, started a cult, lost control of it and finally disappeared.

I read some years ago that the FBI are of the opinion that Hubbard was killed by some associates and buried in the desert.

[Power_serj]

Scientology makes Miss Cleo look credible.

[Bia]

The scientology cult is pushing its entry-level schtick (Dianetics) pretty hard at the moment, and one of the videos on its revamped site (youtube hosted) features a (fake) US soldier getting shot and returning home to face difficulties. Of course, only L Ron Blubtard's dianetics pseudoscience can help him >:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt9SyNpirdo

^1:45 in.

Well dont most fakeass religions promise pie in the sky crap?

One of the familys I went to church with... their infant had a slight clubbed foot. Simple modern sugery would have easily helped the child.....they opted to wait for Jesus to fix it.

That kid is now my age and still hobbles around... waiting.

:P

L ron hubbard... Jesus.... it's all the same.

[Calanen]

Well dont most fakeass religions promise pie in the sky crap?



Scientology is a business masquerading as a religion. Nobody asks you to mortgage your house to become a Catholic or a Jew, or a Muslim. That's the big difference. Scientology offers you loans for their stupid courses that are charged at exhorbitant rates. You become deeper and deeper in debt, until the org owns you. Can't pay? That's ok, do some work for the org for free, work off your debt. Want to leave? Oh, there is the matter of the 500 grand you owe us, better take your house. They are a dangerous org that people need to be aware of and steer clear of.

[PeterRJG]

Yet, they seem to have some very sh!t hot lawyers working for them, at least in the US.

[Kaapeli]

Saentology is forbidden here as "destructive sectarian cult".
I wonder why you still let them operate.
Waiting for new a-la Jonestown massacre?

Freedom of religion.

[Kilgor]

Scientology isnt a religion but its taking on some of its forms. Such as exploiting the weak and vulnerable.

[Kaapeli]

edit. Nevermind.

[Bro Jangles]

i bet i have a very dirty timetrack*

*timetrack copyrighted by crazy rich mofo who watched to much scifi

[Calanen]

Yet, they seem to have some very sh!t hot lawyers working for them, at least in the US.

Lawyers work for anyone who has the cash. And they have the cash. They lost one case recently though, took a long time, but eventually had to pay damages.

[big_les]

Well dont most fakeass religions promise pie in the sky crap?

One of the familys I went to church with... their infant had a slight clubbed foot. Simple modern sugery would have easily helped the child.....they opted to wait for Jesus to fix it.

That kid is now my age and still hobbles around... waiting.

:P

L ron hubbard... Jesus.... it's all the same.

Not exactly. Christianity by and large has moderated its dodgy activities - it's had to in order to retain acceptance in today's world. It doesn't make real-world claims, and asks the believer to take things on faith - which is what separates religion from science. Yes, those parents in your example are credulous fools, but a majority of christians would be as horrified as you and I that they did that. For most (in the western world), faith and science are kept in their proper place. By its very nature, scientology IS both faith and science. Except it isn't - it doesn't work. Prayer? No evidence that it works, but equally no claim that it has any direct result (other than by extremists). Auditing? Plenty of evidence that it's BS. I guess my point is that scientology IS extremist inherently - the only scientologists able to pick and choose what they believe in and do are the celebrity ones - because they are a priceless source of income and positive feelgood PR (except when they jump the couch..).

Scientology claims that it is based on science, on proven results. There is also have documented proof that it was converted into a religion precisely to allow it protection from criticism, and from having to pay tax. And we know that its founder had serious mental problems. Perhaps christianity was established along similar lines, who knows? The point is theres no evidence of that, whereas scientology is demonstrably false and is directly dangerous to its members in a way that modern mainstream religion typically isn't.

[rgjbloke]

A friend of mine works with cult victims and this organisation is on their list as a cult. He says the scientologist's use the courts as a major weapon against anybody who dares to say anything against them. They will employ solicitors to drag you through the system and try to impoverish you. If you win, you have just come through a grueling episode which you won't want to repeat, if you lose, you are seriously out of pocket owing them whatever they have won but also on top of that, many ten's of thousands of pounds to their solicitors.

[Paddy51]

Not exactly. Christianity by and large has moderated its dodgy activities - it's had to in order to retain acceptance in today's world. It doesn't make real-world claims, and asks the believer to take things on faith - which is what separates religion from science. Yes, those parents in your example are credulous fools, but a majority of christians would be as horrified as you and I that they did that. For most (in the western world), faith and science are kept in their proper place. By its very nature, scientology IS both faith and science. Except it isn't - it doesn't work. Prayer? No evidence that it works, but equally no claim that it has any direct result (other than by extremists). Auditing? Plenty of evidence that it's BS. I guess my point is that scientology IS extremist inherently - the only scientologists able to pick and choose what they believe in and do are the celebrity ones - because they are a priceless source of income and positive feelgood PR (except when they jump the couch..).

Scientology claims that it is based on science, on proven results. There is also have documented proof that it was converted into a religion precisely to allow it protection from criticism, and from having to pay tax. And we know that its founder had serious mental problems. Perhaps christianity was established along similar lines, who knows? The point is theres no evidence of that, whereas scientology is demonstrably false and is directly dangerous to its members in a way that modern mainstream religion typically isn't.

I would not disagree with anything you have said.

There is actually not need to discuss groups like this in terms of religion. Consult the mental health care community and they will confirm the destructiveness and harm that groups like this do and continue to do.

[PrinzEugen]

I'm not very familiar with the subject so I checked wiki on Scientology, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology , wherein I found this little gem:


Among these advanced teachings, one episode revealed to those who reach OT level III is the story of Xenu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu) (sometimes Xemu), introduced as an alien ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Confederacy)." According to this story, 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8) airliners, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together, stuck to the bodies of the living and continue to do this today. Hubbard called these clustered spirits "Body Thetans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Thetan)," and advanced-level Scientologists place considerable emphasis on isolating these alien souls and neutralizing their ill effects

I mean, wtf?! Even if you call it a business, you would still need to have something viable to sell the masses right?

[wagon]

Unfortunately Scientology is not the only 'Religion' that does dubious stuff. There are some 'Christian' organisations in my area - one, an evangelical Christian church with some quite controlling techniques used on members and another (disbanded?) bunch based on this women who claimed visions of the virgin Mary. The latter was a cult and a scam to con $$ out of suckers who bought her story. Nasty pieces of work.

[Paddy51]

I mean, wtf?! Even if you call it a business, you would still need to have something viable to sell the masses right?

But people are buying it, joining, handing over their money ..... :cantbeli:

[Paddy51]

Unfortunately Scientology is not the only 'Religion' that does dubious stuff. There are some 'Christian' organisations in my area - one, an evangelical Christian church with some quite controlling techniques used on members and another (disbanded?) bunch based on this women who claimed visions of the virgin Mary. The latter was a cult and a scam to con $$ out of suckers who bought her story. Nasty pieces of work.

Sadly the world if full of them.... :-(

[seraosha]

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

[muttbutt]

I know all I need to know about Scientology from the Simpson's (anyone remember the episode with the cult?) and South park, the finest pisstake of the whole sorry ****stain it is

[quinsen]

Freedom of religion.


Scientology =/ religion

I hope they'll be forbidden here, too. At the moment the Verfassungsschutz is just observing their business.

[gdamadg]

That video is just rewording "Classical Conditioning" by Dr. Pavlov, you probably all know this from Pavlov's Dogs; they would ring a bell, associate with the bell with food and every time the bell would ring they would salivate. He did his research from 1891-1900, it is not a "recently discovered" part of the brain. Scientology is using Psychology in a "modern" perspective with out the technical terminology to brain wash the masses.

Scientology is not a true religion they are a CULT.

[Alexandr]

nice to see clear-minded people here.they not just cult,they cult with "pyramidal marketing" buisness strukture.to achieve next level you should give to brothers your money,car,house,freedom of will.you dont need it anyway wen you'll exept nex rank :{

[helomech]

But people are buying it, joining, handing over their money ..... :cantbeli:

And that,is the biggest crime in itself-that those people don't know any better and are being duped on a daily basis

Where the fvck are all those celebrities when sh1t like this comes out?

:bash:

[Paddy51]

Where the fvck are all those celebrities when sh1t like this comes out?


Good question. It seems that humans can justify anything to themselves but I do share your sentiment. There are many Hollywood starts who claim to be Scientologists and I must confess that any respect I may have for them as actors just goes out the window. To me they are either con artists or very very stupid or both.

[ronnieraygun]

Good question. It seems that humans can justify anything to themselves but I do share your sentiment. There are many Hollywood starts who claim to be Scientologists and I must confess that any respect I may have for them as actors just goes out the window. To me they are either con artists or very very stupid or both.

Yeppers. The rumor is that once a celebrity gets in, they have to cleanse themselves of thetans or corpuscles or whatever the **** they call them by confessing a whole bunch of **** as far back as they can remember, not unlike some thinly-veiled Maoist self-criticism session. Of course, now it is harder to leave because they have something on you. You can't leave because they will leak out the story of you and that "experimental" moment with the janitor behind the grease dumpster, or the time you were addicted to shoplifting Mentos, etc. They are rumored to do something similar to tithing but more blatant, like "give us your money, cocksucker."
My biggest agreement is that I despise any actor who is a Scientologist. It's a scam that should have been busted up by the RICO statutes here in the states. Supposedly, Will Smith, Samuel Jackson, John Travolta, obviously Tom Cruise, Isaac Hayes and Beck are all scientologists. There are rumors about Jennifer Lopez but supposedly they also play that game to try and link famous names to their scam even if they are not involved in it.

[Paddy51]

Yeppers. The rumor is that once a celebrity gets in, they have to cleanse themselves of thetans or corpuscles or whatever the **** they call them by confessing a whole bunch of **** as far back as they can remember, not unlike some thinly-veiled Maoist self-criticism session. Of course, now it is harder to leave because they have something on you. You can't leave because they will leak out the story of you and that "experimental" moment with the janitor behind the grease dumpster, or the time you were addicted to shoplifting Mentos, etc. They are rumored to do something similar to tithing but more blatant, like "give us your money, cocksucker."
My biggest agreement is that I despise any actor who is a Scientologist. It's a scam that should have been busted up by the RICO statutes here in the states. Supposedly, Will Smith, Samuel Jackson, John Travolta, obviously Tom Cruise, Isaac Hayes and Beck are all scientologists. There are rumors about Jennifer Lopez but supposedly they also play that game to try and link famous names to their scam even if they are not involved in it.

Thank you. I had heard of Cruse and Travolta being associated with them but not the others. Must now investigate before I put them on my blacklist.

[NathS]

Supposedly, Will Smith, Samuel Jackson, John Travolta, obviously Tom Cruise, Isaac Hayes and Beck are all scientologists. There are rumors about Jennifer Lopez but supposedly they also play that game to try and link famous names to their scam even if they are not involved in it.

Samuel Jackson ?!?Are you sure ? I like this guy but if he belongs to CoS...

And Catherine Bell too BTW :-(

[Macs.]

Thank you. I had heard of Cruse and Travolta being associated with them but not the others. Must now investigate before I put them on my blacklist.

Isaac Hyes, Will Smith, Samuel Jackson. You can put them on your blacklist without a doubt.

[Paddy51]

Isaac Hyes, Will Smith, Samuel Jackson. You can put them on your blacklist without a doubt.

Done. p-)


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[Connaught Ranger]

Scientology exploits wounded servicemen

Should be expanded to:

"Scientology exploits all of its victims, especially the simple minded."

[-Church-]

Freedom of religion.

And another poorly educated comment, Scientology is not a religion it is a cult.


Isaac Hyes, Will Smith, Samuel Jackson. You can put them on your blacklist without a doubt.

The accepted term is 'african american list'.

[Macs.]

And another poorly educated comment, Scientology is not a religion it is a cult.

And another poorly educated comment, Scientology is not a cult it is a business.

[muttbutt]

They have been losing quite a number of member's lately, including their richest guy James Packer...he was a cash cow and the actor (who they seem to be after now ) Jason Beghe, he posted an interview a few months back after he left.....very interesting.


also they don't like David Duchovneyrofl

[eskachig]

That video is just rewording "Classical Conditioning" by Dr. Pavlov, you probably all know this from Pavlov's Dogs; they would ring a bell, associate with the bell with food and every time the bell would ring they would salivate. He did his research from 1891-1900, it is not a "recently discovered" part of the brain. Scientology is using Psychology in a "modern" perspective with out the technical terminology to brain wash the masses. This is why they hate psychology and psychiatry with such a foaming at the mouth passion - it's direct competition. People with emotional problems are a prime target for Scientologists - they start them with therapy and basic communication exercises and the very real improvements in their quality of life cement Scientology in a golden light in their minds. By the time the true money sapping craziness begins Scientology can do no wrong in the eyes of these people.

[Alexandr]

key difference is - religion gives followers freedom of will ,modern cults dont.
Religios man free to do what he whant with repent for his sins and judgment from God(Karma,Destiny,ect..)
Cult folowers have only right to obey their Masters.

[gdamadg]

This is why they hate psychology and psychiatry with such a foaming at the mouth passion - it's direct competition. People with emotional problems are a prime target for Scientologists - they start them with therapy and basic communication exercises and the very real improvements in their quality of life cement Scientology in a golden light in their minds. By the time the true money sapping craziness begins Scientology can do no wrong in the eyes of these people.

You obviously don't understand the fundamentals of what they are "preaching". Everything in that video is true Psychological teachings, guaranteed to be written by a psychologist or psychiatrist. It's not just some writer that made it up. Google "Classic Conditioning" and you will find all sorts of psychological articles that describe exactly what is said in the video. People are afraid of seeing a mental health professional because it has such a bad stigma all over the world but religion is still a "true" healer. :roll: They use psychological methods in basic terms or turned around into "spiritual" teachings to gain the peoples support. This only works on weak minded people, if you are strong willed and educated; for the most part, you should see right through their BS.

[eskachig]

You obviously don't understand the fundamentals of what they are "preaching". Everything in that video is true Psychological teachings, guaranteed to be written by a psychologist or psychiatrist. It's not just some writer that made it up. Google "Classic Conditioning" and you will find all sorts of psychological articles that describe exactly what is said in the video. People are afraid of seeing a mental health professional because it has such a bad stigma all over the world but religion is still a "true" healer. :roll: They use psychological methods in basic terms or turned around into "spiritual" teachings to gain the peoples support. This only works on weak minded people, if you are strong willed and educated; for the most part, you should see right through their BS.I'm reading your message and mine and I don't really see where we disagree. Can you elaborate?

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[gdamadg]

I'm reading your message and mine and I don't really see where we disagree. Can you elaborate?

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They don't hate the psychological professionals, they are filled with psychological professionals; they are the ones behind their writings and "scriptures". Not L. Ron Hubbard, as he doesn't have the education to write a pop up book.

[big_les]

I have no idea what you're on about. Hubbard did in fact write the majority of the "scripture" (his handwriting and his spoken word readings confirm it), and although it is a debased, outdated, and pseudoscientific version of Freudian type psychology (with heavy addition of space opera BS), they really do hate psychologists and psychiatrists. They actively try to get them fired, dig up dirt on them, and discredit their field with claims of the sort of brutality that just doesn't happen anymore - they are the enemy to them. The only "psychological professionals" aligning themselves with scientology are people like Tomas Szasz, who don't believe that mental illness exists, and see CCHR/scientology as a means to an end. No-one else in the field will go near them, for obvious reasons.

[gdamadg]

I know of Psychologist's and Psychiatrists that practise in the field that don't believe in specific mental illness, that doesn't mean they don't still have the titles. Scientologists hate those that show their "faith" for what it truly is. It just so happens that there is some outspoken members of the psychological world against scientology because it is debasing and twisting the true mental health world. Hubbard has no real education in psychology, he's a wash out in every thing he attempted in the real world; something this great was not masterminded by one man. Do you really think that every psychopathic cult leader figured out every thing on their own?