Russia Rattles its Sabre at US

[Winger]

Source: Associated Press



MOSCOW — Russia will be forced to make a military response if the U.S.-Czech missile defense agreement is ratified, the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.
The statement came hours after U.S. and Czech officials reached an initial agreement on deploying elements of a missile defense system in the Eastern European country. Russia says the system would severely undermine European security balances by weakening Russia's missile capacity.
If the agreement is ratified, "we will be forced to react not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods," the Foreign Ministry statement said. It did not give specifics of what the response would entail.
In February, then-President Vladimir Putin said Russia could aim missiles toward prospective missile defense sites and deploy missiles in the Baltic Sea region of Kaliningrad, which borders Poland, if the missile defense plan went forward.
The U.S. has pushed the plan as necessary to prevent missile attacks by rogue nations, pointing to Iran as a particular concern. But Russia dismisses the likelihood of such threats.

[RomanS]

not this **** again

[Winger]

not this **** again

Tell me about! This time it "sounds" a bit more serious though.

[RomanS]

Tell me about! This time it "sounds" a bit more serious though.

Yeah very serious


woot

look at my serious face :|

[perdurabo]

geez what are Russians rattling about? we already said no to current us proposal so for now (until yanks won't come up with some decent proposition) there will be no ABM site in Poland...

[Shootadelic]

geez what are Russians rattling about? we already said no to current us proposal so for now (until yanks won't come up with some decent proposition) there will be no ABM site in Poland...

Sure Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia are going to be more then happy to accommodate ABMs at only fracture of your price :)

[little icebear]

geez what are Russians rattling about? we already said no to current us proposal so for now (until yanks won't come up with some decent proposition) there will be no ABM site in Poland...

I know, you are the Polish dude and not me... but if I was, I´d feel insulted by your choice of words.
You make it sound as if it´s not about brokering a deal for both parties benefit but just the price a hooker demands to be at her customers service... :(

[gobdav]

Sure Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia are going to be more then happy to accommodate ABMs at only fracture of your price :)


Agreed! Hasn't Estonia and Lithuania already entered talks into something like that? (I'm thinking Latvia has to get rid of their Russians before they start talking about it, lol.)

[TR1]

Agreed! Hasn't Estonia and Lithuania already entered talks into something like that? (I'm thinking Latvia has to get rid of their Russians before they start talking about it, lol.)
lol thats so funny!!!

idiot.

[jetsetter]

I'd love to see the Russians do something stupid but they wont. They don't have the nerve.

[little icebear]

This:

"we will be forced to react not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods,"

is not a threat.

It means they are intending to figure out some ways to avoid their ICBMs getting shot down.
Something you´d do anyway when you find out that someone´s working on defensive measures that can counter what you´ve got in your arsenal.

[Laworkerbee]

I'd love to see the Russians do something stupid but they wont. They don't have the nerve.

It never pays to pull a tiger by its tail.

[Alexandr]

It never pays to pull a tiger by its tail.
Bears dont have a tail! :)

[jetsetter]

Unless they plan on launching nukes what will they do? They invade and the little energy business thing they got going will be done with.

[TR1]

Unless they plan on launching nukes what will they do? They invade and the little energy business thing they got going will be done with.
rofl
You sure are a clever one.

[stifttagon]

oh no not again! :cantbeli:

[jetsetter]

rofl
You sure are a clever one.

Whatever they sell to Europe and the U.S. will be done with. Remember that the Czech Republic is part of the EU and NATO. The Russians will do nothing.

An attack of some sort will cost the corrupt criminal leadership of Russia money and as corrupt criminals they don't like loosing money.

[RomanS]

Unless they plan on launching nukes what will they do? They invade and the little energy business thing they got going will be done with.

They dont have to invade anything.

The most evil thing they can do without firing a single shot, is to donate a few modern simple weapons like VSS Vintorez, AK-103s, modern RPGs (Rpg-27, 29), modernized Kornets and Metis, latest thermobaric shoulder launched missles like RPO Bumblebee, some modernized Strelas and Iglas, and a crap load of artillery shells with better kill radius to Iraqi resistance. Similar to what CIA did in the 1980s.

But that would be fuked up!

[Clayton Gold]

sweet - Russia STRONNNNNNGGGGG!!11!~!!1!1!!1 fight !

Hasn't been a good one of these in a while !

[jetsetter]

They dont have to invade anything.

The most evil thing they can do without firing a single shot, is to donate a few modern simple weapons like VSS Vintorez, AK-103s, modern RPGs (Rpg-27, 29), modernized Kornets and Metis, latest thermobaric shoulder launched missles like RPO Bumblebee, some modernized Strelas and Iglas, and a crap load of artillery shells with better kill radius to Iraqi resistance. Similar to what CIA did in the 1980s.

But that would be fuked up!

Then we purchase weapons from the Chinese (or the Russians themselves, wouldn't be hard to have an ally order them) and give them to all of those little areas with uprisings around Russia.

[Laworkerbee]

Bears dont have a tail! :)

In Russia tail pulls you!

Sorry had to go there, also bears have little tails, good luck getting close though.

[kosse]

Then we purchase weapons from the Chinese (or the Russians themselves, wouldn't be hard to have an ally order them) and give them to all of those little areas with uprisings around Russia.

Just distribute nukes to all banana republics surrounding Russia. Besides, living in a silo would be cool..when can I order one to fill my backyard? p-)

[gobdav]

They dont have to invade anything.

The most evil thing they can do without firing a single shot, is to donate a few modern simple weapons like VSS Vintorez, AK-103s, modern RPGs (Rpg-27, 29), modernized Kornets and Metis, latest thermobaric shoulder launched missles like RPO Bumblebee, some modernized Strelas and Iglas, and a crap load of artillery shells with better kill radius to Iraqi resistance. Similar to what CIA did in the 1980s.

But that would be fuked up!


What resistance? p-)

[RomanS]

Then we purchase weapons from the Chinese (or the Russians themselves, wouldn't be hard to have an ally order them) and give them to all of those little areas with uprisings around Russia.

It would be just like back in the sweet 60s over again. Accept one thing though, you cant afford to loose Iraq and Afghanistan.

Russia will simply dump a lot of money into the opposition of those who hate the Russians in those regions, and watch from far away. Kind of like with Kadyrov. people hate him, but look at Grozny today, and compare it to 2000

[kosse]

Russia will simply dump a lot of money into the opposition of those who hate the Russians in those regions, and watch from far away. Kind of like with Kadyrov. people hate him, but look at Grozny today, and compare it to 2000

I think you should focus on feeding your population. 20% of the Russians live with less than one euro a day.

[INAT]

I love it how it is Russia that is Sabre rattling and it is Iran who is
planning war games and pushing the West .As if these two are acting offensively rather than reacting defensively.

[RomanS]

I think you should focus on feeding your population. 20% of the Russians live with less than one euro a day.

I wish I could Kosse. Im not there nor am I part of the government. I just have a guess of what Russia would do if things would get silly. Not to mention Russia has plenty of resources that China likes to get from Russia for a cheap price.

Now imagine if China stops making everything for US, think about the US economy. Yes it will hurt China, but China makes everything for more than half the world, not just US. They have plenty of other clients

[jetsetter]

I wish I could Kosse. Im not there nor am I part of the government. I just have a guess of what Russia would do if things would get silly. Not to mention Russia has plenty of resources that China likes to get from Russia for a cheap price.

Now imagine if China stops making everything for US, think about the US economy. Yes it will hurt China, but China makes everything for more than half the world, not just US. They have plenty of other clients

China gets more from the U.S. in terms of cash. If they have to pick between the U.S. and Russia it will be the U.S.

[RomanS]

China gets more from the U.S. in terms of cash. If they have to pick between the U.S. and Russia it will be the U.S.

Hard to say

Who does China buy oil from?

[RomanS]

From Time.com

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,501041025-725174,00.html



Last week Russian President Vladimir Putin began a state visit to China, during which Chinese President Hu Jintao was expected to press for the swift approval of several proposed billion-dollar, oil-and-gas joint ventures between the two countries, including a pipeline to connect Russia's oil fields with China's main domestic distribution network.

Now thats what I call a good relationship Cough*dependance*cough

[Hellfish]

We should nuke Russia while they're down. Keep those uppity alcoholics in their place. A radioactive wasteland place.

[The Dane]

Last night a schaefer gave me a blowjob woot

[Tareece]

I wish I could Kosse. Im not there nor am I part of the government. I just have a guess of what Russia would do if things would get silly. Not to mention Russia has plenty of resources that China likes to get from Russia for a cheap price.

Now imagine if China stops making everything for US, think about the US economy. Yes it will hurt China, but China makes everything for more than half the world, not just US. They have plenty of other clients



LOL....The Chinese would simply do whats best for them...and if thats playing the US against the Kremlin then thats what they'll do.....they hope to be the last one standing.....Earlier someone said "forget the 80's" well, the Chinese haven't forgotten their history....

[RomanS]

We should nuke Russia while they're down. Keep those uppity alcoholics in their place. A radioactive wasteland place.

Fuk that, I dont wanna be in ruins of Northern California.

p-)

[RomanS]

LOL....The Chinese would simply do whats best for them...and if thats playing the US against the Kremlin then thats what they'll do.....they hope to be the last one standing.....Earlier someone said "forget the 80's" well, the Chinese haven't forgotten their history....

True, but China has Russia as neighbor, they get to live next to Russia for the rest of their lives. US is a bit further. Dont wanna have your neighbor as your enemy, that proved to be a bad business for many centuries with other nations.

All Russia has to do is support China on Taiwan situation, and there goes the warmer fire p-)

[Hellfish]

Fuk that, I dont wanna be in ruins of Northern California.

p-)

Your ass is gonna be on the first rickety Aeroflot plane back to the motherland. TO THE WOMB WITH YOU.

[kosse]

We should nuke Russia while they're down. Keep those uppity alcoholics in their place. A radioactive wasteland place.

Wait! Do not destroy my source of cheap vodka and mail order wives. World needs Russia!

[INAT]

China gets more from the U.S. in terms of cash. If they have to pick between the U.S. and Russia it will be the U.S.




Well that may be but there comes a point where friction between an expanding China and a globally hegemonic US will make diplomatic,economic and military relations very difficult to say the least.
Do not look at just what China gains through economic relations with the US look at what China gains from a strategic partnership with Moscow.

[RomanS]

Your ass is gonna be on the first rickety Aeroflot plane back to the motherland. TO THE WOMB WITH YOU.

You bet your ass I would be !

They can use my english skillz, and knowledge of US culture. KGB here i come :D

[Hellfish]

Wait! Do not destroy my source of cheap vodka and mail order wives. World needs Russia!

We will always have the Ukraine. And Poland.

[INAT]

You bet your ass I would be !

They can use my english skillz, and knowledge of US culture. KGB here i come :D


The best place to flee during a fire is a part of the forest that has already burned.p-)

[RomanS]

The best place to flee during a fire is a part of the forest that has already burned.p-)

Thats deep man, very deep !

I like that

[Laworkerbee]

We will always have the Ukraine. And Poland.

What has the Ukraine ever done for anybody? focking squat thats what! burn it to the ground.

[TR1]

I hear Helfish is actually a woman.

[Laworkerbee]

I hear Helfish is actually a woman.

Having **** doesn't make you a woman.

[Hellfish]

What has the Ukraine ever done for anybody? focking squat thats what! burn it to the ground.

You probably can't see since you're behind corporate web filters right now.

[kosse]

We will always have the Ukraine. And Poland.

Aren't they part of Russia??!

[Laworkerbee]

You probably can't see since you're behind corporate web filters right now.

I'm the Nazi in control of the filters, give me a reason to open up a port.

[Hellfish]

Aren't they part of Russia??!

Not unless they wanna be radioactive alcoholics too.

[TR1]

uhhh I played STALKER, and vodka helps with radiation, so in case of nuclear war Russian would be fine unlike the amerikans and the mumi-trolls.

[RomanS]

Not unless they wanna be radioactive alcoholics too.

You're just jealous because Russia has better fish

[kosse]

uhhh I played STALKER, and vodka helps with radiation, so in case of nuclear war Russian would be fine unlike the amerikans and the mumi-trolls.
I only have Russian wine at the moment, will I die? :(

[INAT]

Thats deep man, very deep !

I like that

My uncle told me this.
He was talking about Srbija but it can apply to Russia and many other places as well.

[Hellfish]

You're just jealous because Russia has better fishMaybe back when the Caspian Sea actually had water in it.

[RomanS]

I only have Russian wine at the moment, will I die? :(

Which one?

[TR1]

Maybe back when the Caspian Sea actually had water in it.
at least Russia doesn't have Sparky.

[RomanS]

Maybe back when the Caspian Sea actually had water in it.

Pfffft who needs Caspian Sea, we have Volga

[Laworkerbee]

You're just jealous because Russia has better fish

Gross three eyed Sturgeon

[RomanS]

Gross three eyed Sturgeon

and a slimy mouth with no teeth, think of the possibilities

[Hellfish]

Pfffft who needs Caspian Sea, we have Volga

Is it still choked with bodies of the war dead?

Gross... you people drink bodies.

[kosse]

Which one?

I can't read Russian letters..but I'll try to see if I can get anything out of it.

[Laworkerbee]

and a mouth with no teeth, think of the possibilities

mouth with no teeth, copious amounts of wodka = sexy times.

[RomanS]

I can't read Russian letters..but I'll try to see if I can get anything out of it.

Whats with you Finns and Russian booz? DOnt you make your own

[Alexandr]

I only have Russian wine at the moment, will I die? :(

We got export Russian wine in Suomi? o_O What kind and from area say plz.Couse i cant find for a long domestic wine here.Vodka and Beer is ok,but good wine,thanks to Gorbachev (aka Son Of Satan) is very rare.

edit - i readed reply above,ok

[kosse]

Whats with you Finns and Russian booz? DOnt you make your own

Booze in Russia is cheap. My neighbour goes there often and sometimes I get it from him. Last time I helped him a bit with his computer and he gave me this bottle.

I'll try to figure out what it written on the bottle.

[gobdav]

We will always have the Ukraine. And Poland.


Don't forget the Baltics with their women :)

[wildcat]

at least Russia doesn't have Sparky.
no but we will send you him in a Gavin, inside a shipping container.

[RomanS]

Booze in Russia is cheap. My neighbour goes there often and sometimes I get it from him. Last time I helped him a bit with his computer and he gave me this bottle.

I'll try to figure out what it written on the bottle.

wait so in dollars for us American-Russians, how much for a bottle of regular vodka. Not gay goose type of quality. Just regular stuff like Stolichnaya

[kosse]

вино виноградное

HaTypaabHOe

мoнacmdipckaц

ugba

Something like that, I could not figure out all the letters due to impossible font. Propably some cheap shyt since I got it for free :D

[kosse]

wait so in dollars for us American-Russians, how much for a bottle of regular vodka. Not gay goose type of quality. Just regular stuff like Stolichnaya

I can't remember any more, it's been years since I've been to Russia. But it sure wasn't many euros per bottle..in Finland 0,7 bottle of Stoli is close to 30$..you get the picture why people bring as much as they can over the border.

[Alexandr]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3498/dbpiclj6.jpg

this one?

[kosse]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3498/dbpiclj6.jpg

this one?

Yes, that exactly.

[RomanS]

Monastirskaya Izba

МОНАСТЫРСКАЯ ИЗБА

Very nice, when I was young we drank the living crap out of that wine. I like it actually.

[Alexandr]

it costs 2 Euro =)))
Krasnodar production
In my opinion this wine sucks =)
Crimea handmade fresh >>>> all

[kosse]

it costs 2 Euro =)))
Krasnodar production
In my opinion this wine sucks =)
I knew it. This guy doesn't give good alcohol away just like that :P

But anyway, I guess there's only one way to find out.. p-)

[Alexandr]

Make vacation to Crimea in august-september in Yalta/Alushta/Sudak and buy no-name handmade fresh wine in local market,its extrimily cheap and beats any elite French wine in taste and drunk feelings.Beatiful land,beatiful wine =)

[RomanS]

Make vacation to Crimea in august-september in Yalta/Alushta/Sudak and buy no-name handmade fresh wine in local market,its extrimily cheap and beats any elite French wine in taste and drunk feelings.Beatiful land,beatiful wine =)

I agree with that too! Been there, done that

Alushta

Also Berdyansk (Azov sea)

[asch]

I agree with that too! Been there, done that

Alushta

Also Berdyansk (Azov sea)

also Krasnodar local made brandy is a tastiest thing i ever drink.
bought 1l bottle of 20years old brandy for like 70 bucks.

[Hilbert]

Regarding so-called "Sabre Rattling:"
Hardly surprising. As the saying goes, for every action there's a reaction.

On a lighter note, vodka FTW!

[gobdav]

See, look guys.....At the start of this thread we were all contemplating how best to turn the other into human glow-worms. Now, the conversation has moved to alcohol and everyone turns friendly. The atom bomb may be the ultimate in war, but European vodka is the ultimate in peace. :)

[TR1]

no but we will send you him in a Gavin, inside a shipping container.
as long as it has rubber tracks fitted

[wildcat]

as long as it has rubber tracks fitted
roflroflroflroflroflroflroflroflrofl

[Winger]

We will always have the Ukraine. And Poland.

Don't need them. The best Vodka comes from Austin, Texas.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:g1BZTWNCjGQ0OM:http://mybaryourbar.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/titosvodka.JPG (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mybaryourbar.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/titosvodka.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D5722722&h=398&w=400&sz=110&hl=en&start=40&um=1&tbnid=g1BZTWNCjGQ0OM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpictures,%2Btito%2527s%2Bvodka%26start%3D21%26ndsp%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN)

[INAT]

Don't need them. The best Vodka comes from Austin, Texas.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:g1BZTWNCjGQ0OM:http://mybaryourbar.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/titosvodka.JPG (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mybaryourbar.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/titosvodka.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D5722722&h=398&w=400&sz=110&hl=en&start=40&um=1&tbnid=g1BZTWNCjGQ0OM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpictures,%2Btito%2527s%2Bvodka%26start%3D21%26ndsp%3D21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN)


Oh yes because if Texas is known for one thing it is vodka.:cantbeli:

Susumu your avatar drives me crazy.

[Xaito]

Texas? I thought only steers and q... ah never mind ;)

[Holycrusader]

Don't need them. The best Vodka comes from Austin, Texas.


That was funny...

[Blue_0]

This thread wins!

[Mousepad]

Hehe getting drunk beats getting nuked any day

as long as we bottle rattling i have a cvestun to Finn's there was exellent vodka - "Finlandia" but i can't find it for 2 years is it gone forewer? :-(

[INAT]

Hehe getting drunk beats getting nuked any day

as long as we bottle rattling i have a cvestun to Finn's there was exellent vodka - "Finlandia" but i can't find it for 2 years is it gone forewer? :-(


http://www.finlandia.com/age.aspx

Here you go my friend.

[Mousepad]

http://www.finlandia.com/age.aspx

Here you go my friend.

niiiice :hug: i feel like i'm gona web-order some coz my radiation level is critical, and we don't have good stores in our village :roll:

[Holycrusader]

Hehe getting drunk beats getting nuked any day

as long as we bottle rattling i have a cvestun to Finn's there was exellent vodka - "Finlandia" but i can't find it for 2 years is it gone forewer? :-(

Very popular in Poland too. Its on a "Absolut" quality level...

Do people outside Poland know "Gorzka żoładkowa" brand?

[Mousepad]

Very popular in Poland too. Its on a "Absolut" quality level...

Do people outside Poland know "Gorzka żoładkowa" brand?


nope never saw one. maybe in Moscow who knows :roll: in Russia foreign brands are only Smirnoff, Absolut, and Finlandia - Finka that i know of

[Holycrusader]

nope never saw one. maybe in Moscow who knows :roll: in Russia foreign brands are only Smirnoff, Absolut, and Finlandia - Finka that i know of


What about "Nemiroff"?
http://www.packaging-technology.com/projects/nemiroff/images/3_nemiroff.jpg

[Mousepad]

What about "Nemiroff"?
http://www.packaging-technology.com/projects/nemiroff/images/3_nemiroff.jpg

Ahhh my bad always forgetting that Ukrain is another state know - minuses of classic Soviet education btw "pertsovka" is fvking awesome and "Hor****a" is another good Ukranian stuff "Ho****'a" made of win

[Sergei]

Whatever they sell to Europe and the U.S. will be done with. .

You are a funny dude. You don't get one very important thing, Russia doesn't need EU or US to develop economically at this point. The natural resources extraction is jut mere 9% of Russia's economy of today.
However, neither EU nor US can live without Russian and Central Asian resources (secured by agreements by Russia now).

Isn't it the reason why Bush is constantly asking the russian government for investments into a falling housing bubble?

[Sergei]

Then we purchase weapons from the Chinese (or the Russians themselves, wouldn't be hard to have an ally order them) and give them to all of those little areas with uprisings around Russia.

Isn't it would you've been doing for the last 17 years? Our pResident is a definite failure and I am not sure he is a good investment either.

[Sergei]

We should nuke Russia while they're down. Keep those uppity alcoholics in their place. A radioactive wasteland place.

DOTW nomination sealed.

[Sergei]

We will always have the Ukraine. And Poland.

Having US family running things in Ukraine doesn't automatically mean, you "will have Ukraine"
More like Ukraine will have you.

[Sergei]

Maybe back when the Caspian Sea actually had water in it.

The Caspian Sea does have water and a lot of it, are you some kind of "american idiot" role model?
Don't show your ignorance here.

[Chulo]

We should nuke Russia while they're down. Keep those uppity alcoholics in their place. A radioactive wasteland place.
save the vodka first though.. or that place will go up like a firestorm

[Laworkerbee]

you "will have Ukraine"More like Ukraine will have you.

Ukraine is game to you!?
http://www.youtube.com/v/fzLtF_PxbYw&hl

[INAT]

Ukraine is game to you!?
http://www.youtube.com/v/fzLtF_PxbYw&hl


Oh shyte that was classic.

[Sergei]

Ukraine is game to you!?
http://www.youtube.com/v/fzLtF_PxbYw&hl

This is priceless :)

[The Balkan]

Psh, Ukraine be soft.

[Laworkerbee]

This is priceless :)

Was hoping you would like that man.

[perdurabo]

Very popular in Poland too. Its on a "Absolut" quality level...

Do people outside Poland know "Gorzka żoładkowa" brand?
maybe Żubrówka? :)

[Winger]

You are a funny dude. You don't get one very important thing, Russia doesn't need EU or US to develop economically at this point. The natural resources extraction is jut mere 9% of Russia's economy of today.
However, neither EU nor US can live without Russian and Central Asian resources (secured by agreements by Russia now).

Isn't it the reason why Bush is constantly asking the russian government for investments into a falling housing bubble?

Dude, how can you post this while simultaneously ignoring the more richer and indepth discussion of vodka?

[F-22 Raptor]

The cold war has been over for a long time, could someone please explain why Russia would go to war with the US?

[MZKT]

The cold war has been over for a long time, could someone please explain why Russia would go to war with the US?

End of cold war is not something preventing hot wars. There wasn't even ever a cold war between USA and Irak.

But as long the nuclear balance is maintained a war is impossible. That's why russians react on ABM.

[Thor]

What Russia thinks is not important and that is what bothers Putin. Nuclear arsenals have no value unless the rest of the world actually think you're crazy enough to use them, and automatically ensure the destruction of your own country as well, which was the case with Soviet Union.

[smalandian]

Dude, how can you post this while simultaneously ignoring the more richer and indepth discussion of vodka?

Hehehheehhe rofl agreed...

Moskovskaya?....If I remember correctly it taste quite good...and Bescherovka from Czech isn't bad

[asch]

What Russia thinks is not important and that is what bothers Putin. Nuclear arsenals have no value unless the rest of the world actually think you're crazy enough to use them, and automatically ensure the destruction of your own country as well, which was the case with Soviet Union.

you may want to take a look to RF strategic doctrine to understand what is nukes and in what case they will be used. without it your post is lo-fi trolling.