Two privates acknowledge shocking man at second prison

[Secret Squirrel]

HARRISBURG, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Two 19-year-old Marines pleaded guilty to giving electric shocks to an Iraqi prisoner they were guarding in early April, months after the Abu Ghraib prison abuse, military officials said.

Pfc. Andrew J. Sting and Pfc. Jeremiah J. Trefney entered their pleas at a May 14 court-martial in Iraq, according to a statement by the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in Iraq. Lt. Nathan Braden, a Marine spokesman at Camp Pendleton, California, released the statement Thursday.

Sting and Trefney were infantrymen with 2nd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, which is attached to the 1st Marine Division.

According to the military statement, the pair and two other Marines wanted to discipline the detainee for throwing trash outside his cell and speaking loudly at the Al Mahmudiya prison, a temporary holding facility south of Baghdad.

The Marines attached wires to a power convertor, which delivered 110 volts of electricity to the detainee as he returned from the bathroom, the statement said.

Sting pleaded guilty to charges of assault, cruelty and maltreatment, dereliction of duty, and conspiracy to assault. He was sentenced to a year in prison, a reduction of rank, forfeiture of pay and a bad-conduct discharge.

Trefney pleaded guilty to cruelty and maltreatment, dereliction of duty, false official statement, violating a lawful order, and conspiracy to commit assault. He was sentenced to eight months in prison, reduction of rank and forfeiture of all pay, and he will also receive a bad-conduct discharge.

The two other Marines, who were not identified, are awaiting court action.

The Marine statement did not say where they are from but The Patriot-News reported Thursday that Trefney is from Swatara Township, Pennsylvania, and Sting is from Ohio.

The pleas by Trefney and Sting came five days before the highly publicized court-martial hearing for another Pennsylvania, Army Reserve Spc. Jeremy C. Sivits, in the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal.

Sivits, 24, pleaded guilty to four counts of abuse, the first defendant to go on trial in the Abu Ghraib case. Six other reservists are charged with the abuse at Abu Ghraib, which happened between October 2003 and January 2004. (Full story)

The Al Mahmudiya prison held about 300 detainees and was guarded since late March by active-duty Marines and reservists, Marine officials said.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/03/prisoner.abuse.marines.ap/index.html

[SOG]

what shocking behaviour! rofl

well they did the crime, and there going to pay for it.

just out of curiosity secret sorehole or as your friends call you, "SS", why do you soley focus on negative aspects/stories of american troops in iraq? is it a predisposed disposition? do you hate them or hate them for being there? i dont mind getting "all the news" aka good and bad, but when someone reports nothing but the negative, you have to understand, i begin to worry about thier motives........ like thier down on life or something. cheer up, drink a boost, take your prozac, feel a woman......

[Secret Squirrel]

[quote="SOG"]what shocking behaviour! rofl

well they did the crime, and there going to pay for it.

just out of curiosity secret sorehole or as your friends call you, "SS", why do you soley focus on negative aspects/stories of american troops in iraq? is it a predisposed disposition? do you hate them or hate them for being there? [quote]

How many news reports have I posted? Regarding the article, I dont hate the U.S military, I feel sorry that they were sacrificed because of a few lies. But when I first read that the soldiers punisheded a prisoner for throwing trash and talking loudly by shocking him, I was also struck by their age; so I posted the story. The title explained the article quite well and my nick was next to the title;so if you dont want to read these kinds of reports, then dont. woot

[SOG]

[quote="SOG"]what shocking behaviour! rofl

well they did the crime, and there going to pay for it.

just out of curiosity secret sorehole or as your friends call you, "SS", why do you soley focus on negative aspects/stories of american troops in iraq? is it a predisposed disposition? do you hate them or hate them for being there? [quote]

How many news reports have I posted? Regarding the article, I dont hate the U.S military, I feel sorry that they were sacrificed because of a few lies. But when I first read that the soldiers punisheded a prisoner for throwing trash and talking loudly by shocking him, I was also struck by their age; so I posted the story. The title explained the article quite well and my nick was next to the title;so if you dont want to read these kinds of reports, then dont. woot

wow, you cant even diagram correctly.

how many news reports have you posted? beats me, I NEVER BROUGHT IT UP! why do you!?
why do you soley focus on negative aspects/stories of american troops in iraq? appearntly, it is because you feel sorry for them!? so wait, let me get this straight, you feel sorry for them, but the majority of your posts are about what they do wrong and arguing with others over it?


The title explained the article quite well and my nick was next to the title;so if you dont want to read these kinds of reports, then dont.

but i posted
i dont mind getting "all the news" aka good and bad didja miss that? oh and,
but when someone reports nothing but the negative, you have to understand, i begin to worry about thier motives........ so your constantly found in all the forums about negative US aspects.... why?

its like, would you watch a news station that reported nothing but negative news? would you have a friend who harped continuously about how everything is wrong? then why would you listen to someone on a forum bitch about the same thing?

you feel sorry for them so you continuously harp on them and thier actions?..... huh? oh right.... because you care.

[Secret Squirrel]

Glad to see you're worried about my motives. Dammit I've been busted; I'm secretly trying to destroy the U.S military by voicing opinons on this forum. :roll: The majority of my posts deal with things that the U.S military has done wrong in Iraq? Or havent you the intelligence to realize that a lot of my posts question why they're there? If you dont like my posts, or think I'm overly biased, then dont read my posts; simple solution isnt it? Or do you need a maxi-pad to go with that bitch? woot

[usa320]

Had the detainees in question been bombers or HVT's, i would be far less sympethetic. But shocking a guy for talking loudly and throwing trash very poor conduct. They did the crime now they will face the price of it.

[Fargin]

But no discharges?

[SOG]

But no discharges?

Sting pleaded guilty to charges of assault, cruelty and maltreatment, dereliction of duty, and conspiracy to assault. He was sentenced to a year in prison, a reduction of rank, forfeiture of pay and a bad-conduct discharge.

Trefney pleaded guilty to cruelty and maltreatment, dereliction of duty, false official statement, violating a lawful order, and conspiracy to commit assault. He was sentenced to eight months in prison, reduction of rank and forfeiture of all pay, and he will also receive a bad-conduct discharge.

is a bad conduct discharge the authors way of saying dishonorable disharge or is that actually different?

Locked N Loaded - 2 guys discharge dood ;)


Glad to see you're worried about my motives. Dammit I've been busted; I'm secretly trying to destroy the U.S military by voicing opinons on this forum. :roll: The majority of my posts deal with things that the U.S military has done wrong in Iraq? Or havent you the intelligence to realize that a lot of my posts question why they're there? If you dont like my posts, or think I'm overly biased, then dont read my posts; simple solution isnt it? Or do you need a maxi-pad to go with that bitch? woot

if your questioning why the mil is there then why not start a topic about it? lying again? you ARENT questioning why they are there, but what they are doing there? you dont see the difference between the two? so 1st you lie when you say you care about them,
I dont hate the U.S military, I feel sorry that they were sacrificed because of a few lies. then you change your story and say you care about why they are there but your posts are about what they are doing there? im confused....... which is it? your here to harp on the US mil. great, another one :roll: join your proud history. hopefully you'll go the way of those before you.

[Locked N Loaded]

=Trefney pleaded guilty to cruelty and maltreatment, dereliction of duty, false official statement, violating a lawful order, and conspiracy to commit assault. He was sentenced to eight months in prison, reduction of rank and forfeiture of all pay, and he will also receive a bad-conduct discharge.=

This is only my second post, I hope I did it correctly. :cantbeli: If not, my apology to all! Looks like at least one (1) is receiving a "BAD-CONDUCT" DISCHARGE. I am assuming both will, but the article only said one (1).

Respectfully,
L n L

[Locked N Loaded]

I see SOG posted the answer before me!

ooppsssss,
L n L

[Locked N Loaded]

:oops:
Thanks SOG, after reading the article again, I see where both were
dischrged. Thanks for correcting me ;) ..!
Always,
L n L

[Midav]

Was this prisoner someone that had no ties with the militia or terrorists?

In that case, I support the actions taken against the soldiers.

If this person was part of the militia or a terrorist, then it's a shame what happened to these soldiers.

My two cents....

[Locked N Loaded]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/posting.php?mode=reply&t=16485

Dishonorable Dischage is different than a (BCD).

L n L

[Locked N Loaded]

Grrrrrrrrrrr...forget my last post. I'm still learning how to post URL's.

Sorry! :(

L n L

[Locked N Loaded]

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/weekly/aa103000a.htm

Ok, a (Dishonorable Discharge is different than a (BCD)...lol
Hope I did this right!

L n L

[Fredd00]

Was this prisoner someone that had no ties with the militia or terrorists?
In that case, I support the actions taken against the soldiers.
.

Otherwise you don't ? Maybe check Brown v. Mississipi 297 U.S. 278 (1936).

[Locked N Loaded]

FARGIN,
I actually posted the wrong URL to your question about "any discharges?".

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/weekly/aa092500a.htm

I'm going to end up with a (BCD) from this forum if I don't start getting this right!
:roll:


Punitive Discharges. Punitive discharges are authorized punishments of courts-martial and can only be awarded as an approved court-martial sentence pursuant to a conviction for a violation of the UCMJ. There are two types of punitive discharges: Dishonorable Discharge (DD) -- which can only be adjudged by a general court-martial and is a separation under dishonorable conditions; and Bad-Conduct Discharge (BCD) -- which can be adjudged by either a general court-martial or a special court-martial and is a separation under conditions other than honorable.

L n L

[Secret Squirrel]

But no discharges?

Sting pleaded guilty to charges of assault, cruelty and maltreatment, dereliction of duty, and conspiracy to assault. He was sentenced to a year in prison, a reduction of rank, forfeiture of pay and a bad-conduct discharge.

Trefney pleaded guilty to cruelty and maltreatment, dereliction of duty, false official statement, violating a lawful order, and conspiracy to commit assault. He was sentenced to eight months in prison, reduction of rank and forfeiture of all pay, and he will also receive a bad-conduct discharge.

is a bad conduct discharge the authors way of saying dishonorable disharge or is that actually different?

Locked N Loaded - 2 guys discharge dood ;)


Glad to see you're worried about my motives. Dammit I've been busted; I'm secretly trying to destroy the U.S military by voicing opinons on this forum. :roll: The majority of my posts deal with things that the U.S military has done wrong in Iraq? Or havent you the intelligence to realize that a lot of my posts question why they're there? If you dont like my posts, or think I'm overly biased, then dont read my posts; simple solution isnt it? Or do you need a maxi-pad to go with that bitch? woot

if your questioning why the mil is there then why not start a topic about it? lying again? you ARENT questioning why they are there, but what they are doing there? you dont see the difference between the two? so 1st you lie when you say you care about them,
I dont hate the U.S military, I feel sorry that they were sacrificed because of a few lies. then you change your story and say you care about why they are there but your posts are about what they are doing there? im confused....... which is it? your here to harp on the US mil. great, another one :roll: join your proud history. hopefully you'll go the way of those before you.

Why would i start a topic about why the military is there as there are numerous ones floating around? Feel free to post some of my posts that show I'm against the U.S military as a whole. By the way, heres your maxi-pad, will your period be over soon? woot