Impressive Rifles- Remington 700 Variants

[SoliDeoGloria]

I was shopping around for a tactical long gun and I stumbled upon this site.

www.tacticaloperations.com (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/www.tacticaloperations.com)

Their Alpha series and their X-ray series are pretty impressive.

These are the specs. for the X-ray series:

Manufacturer: Tactical Operations, Inc.
Caliber: 308/300 W.M.
Action: Fully accurized Remington Model 700, blueprinted to Tac Ops specifications. Custom made tactical bolt knob.
Stock: XRay (McMillan A-5) with custom-fitted Anschutz rail. Black and green epoxy finish.
Bedding: Aluminum pillar bedding with free-floating barrel channel.
Barrel: Tac Ops proprietary chrome-moly or stainless steel Krieger. Barrel length 18 to 20” in 308 and 20-26 in 300 W.M. (specified by customer). Threaded with a class 3A thread for optional sound suppressor.
Recoil lug: Tac Ops precision-ground custom lug.
Chamber: Done to match specifications with .001 headspace.
Metal Finish: Walter Birdsong’s proprietary Green-T and Black-T finish.
Trigger: Standard Remington. Tuned to a crisp 2.25 to 2.5 lb. or to department’s specifications.
Recommended Ammo: Federal Gold Medal 168-grain BTHP or Black Hills moly-coated 168-grain Match.

Tactical Operations, Inc.
433 North Camden Dr. 4th Fl. #239
Beverly Hills, Ca 90210
Phone 310 275-8797
Fax 323 933-3521
Email: info@tacticaloperations.com

[LimaOscarSierraTango]

Are you soliciting you own website?

Nice rifle. I was looking for a Rem 700

[SoliDeoGloria]

Hah, I wish that was my site....but its not. I was mainly looking at the McMilan 700 variants, but the prices are extremely high. I haven't received a reply as to how much the TacOps rifles go for, but if its no better...It will probably be best to just build my own. *shrugs*

[remfleader]

you may want to consider GA Precision if your looking for a high quality Remington 700 based rifle...

http://www.gaprecision.net

[SoliDeoGloria]

Awesome, thank you very much.

[kraut783]

George is good people and makes great rifles!!

[SMGLee]

Another excellent Remington based rifle builder is Centurion Arms.

He has a rifle in the sand box that has well ovr 90 kills and it can do 8MOA at 800m....



Tactical Op rifle were used by LASD SEB, I think they are still in service with them.

Santa Monica PD has a bsatch of those with Tac Ops suppressor, but the problem is every time they remove the suppressor the zero changed, so the guys were trying to clean the rifle with the suppressor on the rifle.

[D.E. Watters]

it can do 8MOA at 800m....


I hope you accidentally left a decimal place out. You'd have to be pretty lucky to hit anything with a 6 foot group. ;-)

[jagermeister]

Another excellent Remington based rifle builder is Centurion Arms.

He has a rifle in the sand box that has well ovr 90 kills and it can do 8MOA at 800m....



Tactical Op rifle were used by LASD SEB, I think they are still in service with them.

Santa Monica PD has a bsatch of those with Tac Ops suppressor, but the problem is every time they remove the suppressor the zero changed, so the guys were trying to clean the rifle with the suppressor on the rifle.


So its a 1 MOA rifle nothing really that impressive.

[ramthor]

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[-stk-]

SoliDeoGloria I would head over to the forums at snipercentral if you want to learn more about Tac-Ops. Most of there users are there as well as Mike, the guy that builds them. Here's a price list http://www.snipercentral.com/tangobuy.htm.

Expensive? Sure but your basically getting one of the best precision bolt actions money can buy. Scroll down this page for a few reviews http://www.snipercentral.com/rifles.htm

Tac-Ops guarantees .25 MOA with certain factory loads, with all of its rifles chambered in .308.

Tac-Ops and GAP both have immaculate reputations, so you would win regardless of who you go with. Im saving for a Tac-Ops (Tango-51) at the moment.

[Hollis]

Tac-Ops guarantees .25 MOA with certain factory loads, with all of its rifles chambered in .308.



Are you sure of that? At 1000yrds, that is a 2.5 inch group @ 100yrds.. Smaller than the bullet.

[Flagg]

It goes without saying....the Remmie 700 action is as ubiquitous and versatile as the M1911.....aftermarket support is unequalled.....and often VERY affordable compared to other brands.

In saying that....I just sold my only Remmie 700...in 300 Win Mag(too many rifles and calibres..I"m trying to consolidate a little bit for a future project ;) )....BUT the fella helping build my armoury and very amateur gunsmith workshop I'm going to help with his M40 scratch build.

I do have to say that after playing around a lot with Remmies, Rugers, Savages, Sakos, and Tikkas....my heart lies with Savage....a 10FP-LE2 to be exact...don't tell my wife.

[wildcat]

SoliDeoGloria I would head over to the forums at snipercentral if you want to learn more about Tac-Ops. Most of there users are there as well as Mike, the guy that builds them. Here's a price list http://www.snipercentral.com/tangobuy.htm.

Expensive? Sure but your basically getting one of the best precision bolt actions money can buy. Scroll down this page for a few reviews http://www.snipercentral.com/rifles.htm

Tac-Ops guarantees .25 MOA with certain factory loads, with all of its rifles chambered in .308.

Tac-Ops and GAP both have immaculate reputations, so you would win regardless of who you go with. Im saving for a Tac-Ops (Tango-51) at the moment.

I learned a lot from that site http://www.snipercentral.com (http://www.snipercentral.com/rifles.htm)

My buddies during late 90's used to pay to have some guys come and do classes for them, they would rent a 1000m range (in the bay area the Swiss government owns a range in California for Swiss nationals to use). These guy would help them reach out to 1000m using FAL / Remington 700, in 308/30-06 300win mag, M1A1, etc...what ever you had, they did not focus so much on the firearm, but more on the technical asspect of knowing your weapons limits and you technic. These guys also did other class like tactical Shootgun, carbine hand gun etc etc. They have a website, I don't know if they travel http://gunsite.com/ They do a lot of SWAT/ LE schooling. If I remember it was $400 for 3 day course, miminm of 8 people for them to show up, this was back in 98, so I guess things have changed.

[Hollis]

I do have to say that after playing around a lot with Remmies, Rugers, Savages, Sakos, and Tikkas....my heart lies with Savage....a 10FP-LE2 to be exact...don't tell my wife.


I don't blame you. Savage makes a very fine rifle right out of the box with out some honkin' big price tag.

[-stk-]

Are you sure of that? At 1000yrds, that is a 2.5 inch group @ 100yrds.. Smaller than the bullet.

The gaurantee is at 100 yards. But most seem to be still able to do 1 inch groups at 400 yards. As for measuring group sizes, im sure they are measuring the centre of each hole and subtracting the calibre. I think its a similar method they use for a number of bench rest competitions where they have to measure those micro sized groups. Plus the hole ends up being somewhat smaller than the bullet when you flatten it out.

These two threads may shine more light on the topic, if your interested
http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5256&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5981&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=range+report&start=30
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[-stk-]

Hah, I wish that was my site....but its not. I was mainly looking at the McMilan 700 variants, but the prices are extremely high. I haven't received a reply as to how much the TacOps rifles go for, but if its no better...It will probably be best to just build my own. *shrugs*

Mike is also a LEO so as you can imagine he does get caught up in a few things and replies can be late. On the other hand sometimes he wont always answer back if you dont show common courtesy e.g. You send him an email that looks like a text message or you dont sign off with your name. He made a thread about contacting him here http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10926

[SoliDeoGloria]

SoliDeoGloria I would head over to the forums at snipercentral if you want to learn more about Tac-Ops. Most of there users are there as well as Mike, the guy that builds them. Here's a price list http://www.snipercentral.com/tangobuy.htm.

Expensive? Sure but your basically getting one of the best precision bolt actions money can buy. Scroll down this page for a few reviews http://www.snipercentral.com/rifles.htm

Tac-Ops guarantees .25 MOA with certain factory loads, with all of its rifles chambered in .308.

Tac-Ops and GAP both have immaculate reputations, so you would win regardless of who you go with. Im saving for a Tac-Ops (Tango-51) at the moment.

Your links have been extremely helpful! Thank you.

[Far]

I don't blame you. Savage makes a very fine rifle right out of the box with out some honkin' big price tag.I have a Savage chambered for a 300 RUM. Not a varmint rifle, but very accurate and durable right out of the box.

[Hollis]

The gaurantee is at 100 yards. But most seem to be still able to do 1 inch groups at 400 yards. As for measuring group sizes, im sure they are measuring the centre of each hole and subtracting the calibre. I think its a similar method they use for a number of bench rest competitions where they have to measure those micro sized groups. Plus the hole ends up being somewhat smaller than the bullet when you flatten it out.

These two threads may shine more light on the topic, if your interested
http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5256&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5981&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=range+report&start=30
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Thanks, Guy I know will say the group, is the diameter of the smallest circle rounds will be in.

http://www.rifleman.org.uk/Fuller_group_diagnosis.htm


At one time in the states, they used what was called a string. A measurement was take from the center of the target to the center of each round and then added up. At 100 Yards for 10 rounds a 20 inch string would be that the average round was 2 inches from the center of the target. So if you have one round 1 inch from center and another 3 inches from center, it would average 2 inches.

A 1 MOA would say all the rounds would hit with in 1/2 inch of center or holes would be with in a 1 inch circle. That's what we have been using.


The article you post, the guy stated .5 MOA.

Thanks, nice to read how other people do things.

[SMGLee]

I hope you accidentally left a decimal place out. You'd have to be pretty lucky to hit anything with a 6 foot group. ;-)

Sorry, 8 inch group...!




So its a 1 MOA rifle nothing really that impressive.

Yes, in theory, if a good rifle that does 1/4MOA will sustain that all the way to 800m, but this is actual shot group that I witness, at the same time, an eight shots group at 100yrds yield a hole a little bigger then the actual .30 round.

[Hollis]

Sorry, 8 inch group...!





Yes, in theory, if a good rifle that does 1/4MOA will sustain that all the way to 800m, but this is actual shot group that I witness, at the same time, an eight shots group at 100yrds yield a hole a little bigger then the actual .30 round.


I'll have to see if I still have the target. I have rifle that is about .5 MOA. When I installed the scope and sighted it in, at 100 Yards, I had three clover leafs, as I adjusted the optics for center (POA/POI). A Ruger Mk II in .308. I was using hand loads.


I shot some SA surplus ammo in it, It did not like that stuff....... was all over the place.

[Remains]

I really like this variant, http://www.jallenenterprises.com/jae700rsa.htm, and the m14/m1a variant is very nice too.

[lt tahoe]

I learned a lot from that site http://www.snipercentral.com (http://www.snipercentral.com/rifles.htm)

My buddies during late 90's used to pay to have some guys come and do classes for them, they would rent a 1000m range (in the bay area the Swiss government owns a range in California for Swiss nationals to use). These guy would help them reach out to 1000m using FAL / Remington 700, in 308/30-06 300win mag, M1A1, etc...


First off--that bit about the Swiss-owned range is wild! Pretty cool of them, and a good way to make sure your vacationing TA members keep in practice, right? :)

Second, I would be astonished to see a FAL make a 1000m shot; the platform does not lend itself to accuracy. Don't get me wrong, I love mine, but I don't shoot it past 500m.

And I'm just guessing the "M1A1" should be an M1A, as a 1000m Thompson would be bad-ass :)

[wildcat]

First off--that bit about the Swiss-owned range is wild! Pretty cool of them, and a good way to make sure your vacationing TA members keep in practice, right? :)

Second, I would be astonished to see a FAL make a 1000m shot; the platform does not lend itself to accuracy. Don't get me wrong, I love mine, but I don't shoot it past 500m.

And I'm just guessing the "M1A1" should be an M1A, as a 1000m Thompson would be bad-ass :)

The Swiss range is for Swiss patriot living and working in the USA, and also for the consulate staff located in San Fransisco.

I agree on the FAL, I have one, it one of my favorite weapons, but they can be taken out to 1000m, But those ones are not the kind you pick up for about $1000. My realtor was a Ranger sniper, he was injuried in somalia in 93, and was medically discharged after an RPG exploded against a wall pepering him with all kinds off shappnal. He used a FAL Gali heavey barrel, which he got to keep. But there are a lot of changes, nice trigger job. He was telling me that they had to make a lot of mods to the rounds, he going to show me when we next go to the range, teach me to shave the tips.

just to let you know, sniping long distance is an art, and rifles do help but the skills to make shots, is a skill few will ever have, he is an interesting story about a brit sniper

"April 3, 2003, Corporals Matt and Sam Hughes, a two-man sniper team of the Royal Marines, armed with L96 sniper rifles each killed targets at a range of about 860 metres (941 yd) with shots that, due to strong wind, had to be “fire[d] exactly 17 meters (56 ft) to the left of the target for the bullet to bend in the wind." Now that is skill.

[OscarWhiskey 2]

The art of first round hits at long range does not come from shooting bug holes at 100 yards. Marksmanship has two factors in it, accuracy and consistency. Accuracy is what the rifle system is capable of holding consistency is the wing nut attached to the trigger and his or her capabilities. The rifle can be tested at 100 yards, sure, but the factor with the greatest variable is consistency. At long range you deal with light direction, wind, mirage, altitude (aka station pressure), ammo temperature, stress etc... These conditions will take your sub MOA rifle and turn it into a 2 MOA system real fast. The other thing is the cold bore shot or clean cold bore shot compared to your 5th or 10th shot. I would have you consider that a cold bore shot of your rifle is also a cold body and mind shot in you, again accuracy and consistency. And it is the first round that counts many times, is it not?