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fdt

06-04-2004, 04:45 AM

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......and now.....

GOTCHA! Here's a gift from Troyan Donkey....You all, one another bashing yanks and frogs... take this and choke... or start thinking! It's good time to start before 6th of June. Watch where You are spitting... thgis may be the face of Your forefathers or fallen soldier's graves...

Monument of Lafayette - Yorktown.

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/RevWar/Yorktown/p208.jpg

Statue of Lafayette in Baltimore, Maryland - located next to the Washington Monument.
Engraved on pedestal:
Lafayette Immortal
Because a self-forgetful servant of Justice and Humanity Beloved by all Americans Because he acknowledged no duty more sacred than to fight for the freedom of this fellow men.
...Woodrow Wilson

http://friendsoflafayette.org/images/statue.jpg

Monument of Lafayette in Washington.

http://www.mef.qc.ca/images/monument_de_lafayette.jpg

The Lafayette Escadrille memorial remembers those Americans who came to France before America entered World War I."

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The Bellicourt American Monument commemorates the achievements and sacrifices of the 90,000 American troops who served in battle with the in France during 1917 and 1918.

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This battlefield monument, commemorates the first offensive operation by a large American unit in May 1918. It stands in the center of a village which was captured during that attack.

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The World War I Chateau-Thierry American Monument commemorates the achievements of the American forces that fought in this region in World War I. The monument consists of an impressive double colonnade rising above a long terrace. On its west facade are heroic sculptured figures representing the United States and France.

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The World War I Chaumont Marker is a bronze plaque located at the entrance to Damremont Barracks, Chaumont, France. It signifies the location of the General Headquarters of the 2 million soldiers American Expeditionary Forces of World War I commanded by General John J. Pershing.

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The World War I Montfaucon American Monument commemorates the American victory during the Meuse-Argonne Offensive during the period September 26, 1918 to November 11, 1918, when the American First Army forced the enemy to conduct a general retreat on this front.

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The World War I Montsec American Monument commemorating the achievements of the American soldiers who fought in this region in 1917 and 1918

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The World War I Naval Monument at Brest commemorates the achievements of the United States Navy during World War I. It was destroyed by the Germans on July 4, 1941, prior to the Unites States entry into World War II. The present structure is a replica of the original and was completed in 1958.

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The World War II Pointe du Hoc Ranger Monument was erected by the French to honor elements of the American Second Ranger Battalion under the command of Lieutenant Colonel James E. Rudder. During the American assault of Omaha Beach on June 6, 1944, these elements scaled the 100 foot cliff and seized the German artillery pieces that could have fired on the American landing troops at Omaha Beach. At a high cost of life, they successfully defended against determined German counterattacks.

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The World War I Sommepy American Monument commemorates the achievements of the 70,000 Americans who served in this region during the summer and fall of 1918.

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On the outside of the town hall of Souilly, France is a bronze tablet identifying this building as the headquarters of the American First Army towards the end of World War I. Inscribed in French and English is the following:

HEADQUARTERS OF THE AMERICAN FIRST ARMY
OCCUPIED THIS BUILDING FROM SEPTEMBER 21, 1918
TO THE END OF HOSTILITIES, AND FROM HERE
CONDUCTED THE MEUSE-ARGONNE OFFENSIVE,
ONE OF THE GREATEST OPERATIONS OF THE WAR.

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The World War I Tours American Monument commemorates the efforts of the 650,000 men who served during World War I in the Services of Supply of the American Expeditionary Forces and whose work behind the battle lines made possible the brilliant achievements of the American Armies in the field.

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The World War II Utah Beach American Memorial commemorates the achievements of the American Forces of the VII Corps who landed and fought in the liberation of the Cotentin Peninsula from June 6, 1944 to July 1, 1944.

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The World War I Aisne-Marne American Cemetery and Memorial contains the graves of 2,289 American Dead, most of whom fought in the vicinity and in the Marne valley in the summer of 1918.

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The World War II Brittany American Cemetery and Memorial. At this cemetery rest 4,410 American Dead, most of whom gave their lives in the Normandy and Brittany campaigns in 1944. Along the retaining wall of the memorial terrace are inscribed the names of 498 American who gave their lives in the service.

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The World War II Epinal American Cemetery and Memorial Epinal contains the graves of 5,255 American military Dead.

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The World War II Lorraine American Cemetery and Memorial contains 10,489 American Military Dead

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The World War I Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery and Memorial holds the largest number of American Dead in Europe, a total of 14,246.

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The World War II Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial contains the graves of 9,386 American military Dead, most of whom gave their lives during the landings and ensuing operations of World War II.

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The World War I Oise-Aisne American Cemetery and Memorial, here rest 6,012 Americans who died while fighting in this vicinity during World War I.

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The World War II Rhone American Cemetery and Memorial rest 861 American Military Dead.

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The World War I Somme American Cemetery contains the graves of 1,844 American military Dead.

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The World War I St. Mihiel American Cemetery and Memorial contains the graves of 4,153 American military Dead from World War I.

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The World War I Suresnes American Cemetery and Memorial contains the graves of 1,541 American military Dead from World War I and twenty-four graves of American Unknown Dead from World War II.

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ZeroPositive

06-04-2004, 04:56 AM

:) cool photos and comics not as bad as some of the earlier ones tbh.
ur holding back on us :)

Tengu

06-04-2004, 04:56 AM

I must say i went to an british WW 1 cemetery a few years ago and I was here during memorial day last weekend:
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and i must say those cemeteries are realy impressive and looked after.

fdt

06-04-2004, 05:01 AM

:) cool photos and comics not as bad as some of the earlier ones tbh.
ur holding back on us :)Comics and cartoons are not just to laugh, but to think-laugh-think-laugh-think... and maybe learn something at the end.

BTW good cartoons and bad cartoons as well can bring the message to average intelligent human being. Good ones... about topic, bad ones about the cartoonist and the thesis he's after...

Ichhabe

06-04-2004, 05:31 AM

Great findings fdt. Editorial cartoons are supposed to be has you explained. I liked that about the French hugging Hitler, Jerry Lewis and that Renault. :D

And about those memorials. Yeah! Really the right way of showing that they isn't thankful against the Americans. They could have been BIGGER and made of GOLD. Cheap froggies I must say.

Javehn

06-04-2004, 05:36 AM

Renault is crap on wheels ...

fdt

06-04-2004, 05:40 AM

ZeroPositive

06-04-2004, 05:49 AM

When I meant you are holding back, from the cartoons seen in the anti Israeli cartoons bias and more extreme msgs stand out greater then these cartoons.

Javehn

06-04-2004, 05:53 AM

I specially like this one :lol: (ment as a joke :roll: ) :

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Fargin

06-04-2004, 05:58 AM

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/FrancePartDeux/FranceGIFS/catalino.gif

Great one, made me laugh aloud.

fdt

06-04-2004, 06:11 AM

When I meant you are holding back, from the cartoons seen in the anti Israeli cartoons bias and more extreme msgs stand out greater then these cartoons.I post not my own cartoons, but those available from others. Anti US cartoons are available in large supply so You can choose on them. There are extremely, strong, moderate mildly anti-yank cartoons ... and You have many pro-US. Here I have a space to pick. Cartoons concerning Israel that are currently available on web - 95% deal with the Israeli/Arab conflict which is now an open war. What do You think this 95% is like? They are filled with criticism and hate... so applies to anti-Arab cartoons. I do not draw those cartoons... I just post them.... not to make smbs mind but to show the minds of authors and those for whom the authors draw.

If You think that it's so easy to prepare a decent cartoon thread pls impress me and do one on Your own... make it anti (or pro)-Laos, anti (or pro)-Finnish, anti(or pro) Portugese, anti (or pro) Kenyan etc. etc. Cartoons are drawn as the satirical sidekicks of the "real" news... so they reflect the topics that are on top of the newsfeeds. Look at news today, watch Fox, CNN, BBC... it's all the same ... but not in flesh and blood but a pen and charcoal. You write that cartoons I post are biased.... impress me again and show me a cartoon without any bias or (pro or anti) message. It's the nature of cartoon that it brings some kinda message... good or bad but it brings... always. .... But wait, not only brings... sometimes it only catalyzes some hidden or supressed thoughts and reactions... making someone realize what really bothers him/her.

ZeroPositive

06-04-2004, 06:20 AM

fdt

06-04-2004, 06:48 AM

chill dude was only guessing there must have been worst cartoons out there :)
I mean if u found photos from 100 years back about the Chinese can't be impossible to find mass surrender photos of the french etc.

Nice pic about the soldier of surrender :) lol very classyWrong. The chinese drawings (not photos) were a pure luck shot... Many topics are simply unavailable on web in that form... BTW, browsing web me and You can find photos of every army mass surrendering... Americans in Ardennes, Brits in North Africa or Singapore, Russians in 1941, Polish in 1939, Norwegians, Belgians or Dutch in 1940, Germans in 1942, 1943, 1944 and 1945... What does it prove? That everyone wants to live? Shouldn't everyone know it without reading cartoon posts in Militaryphotos? There are far worse and shameful things in life than surrendering. Want me to post here something really bad and shameful about French here? Wanna see them wacked really hard...? Pls DIY, on Your own account. You'll find the link in Your PM box.

ikurinturbiini

06-04-2004, 06:55 AM

ZeroPositive

06-04-2004, 08:23 AM

probably would have a hard time finding Japanese surrendering in mass, excluding the surrender signed at the end of the war....
:)

ZeroPositive

06-04-2004, 08:26 AM

oh yeah that link will not open :(

Jehuty

06-06-2004, 09:47 AM

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/FrancePartDeux/france3/thompson.jpg

Owned ^^

Want me to post here something really bad and shameful about French here? Wanna see them wacked really hard...? Pls DIY, on Your own account. You'll find the link in Your PM box.

Send please.

MARINO

06-06-2004, 11:28 AM

Hey there were also spanish fighting with americans agaisnt Brits, in american independence war, and we had an important role:
1
Spain's Support Vital to U.S. Independence by Dr. Thomas E. Chavez
Director, Palace of the Govenors Muesum
Post Office Box 2087, Santa Fe, New Mexico
(505) 827-6473

In 1785, George Washington, recently "retired to the country life," wrote a friendly letter to Carlos III, the King of Spain, thanking him for a recent gift. Washington knew that Carlos III had been generous in his support of the birth of the fledgling United States during the War of Indenpendence. For at least five years, Spain had sent more supplies and money than had been requested to help the American Rebels succeed in what must have appeared to be an impossible dream. Spanish men from the peninsula and throughout the Americas fought in the conflict.

The American Revolution used funds collected from people living in the present states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California--then a part of Mexico. An important percentage of financial support originated in New Spain, now called Mexico. Eventually, thousands of Spanish troops fought British troops throughout the Americas.

Britain, France and Spain had extensive colonial holdings that they used the strictest mercantile sense. Colonies existed to benefit the mother country--to garner wealth and therefore, power, which translated to a well-trained and equipped navy and army. To become powerful, a country needed to sell more than she bought. and control as much territory as possible.

After nearly half a century, inconclusive warfare was about to transform into the era of revolution with the rebellion of 13 British colonies. Carlos III's Spain eased into this disturbance to become a deciding factor. With spain's involvement came a number of individuals who contributed to the birth and independence of the United States of America.

The Marquis de Grimaldi, who preceded and handpicked Count Floridablanca as minister of state, oversaw the initial secret aid to the Colonies. He set the governmental tone and policy that Floridablanca inherited and continued.

Spain's entire effort in the struggle was overseen by Floridablanca. Described as wily, clever and astute by some people people, and as devious by detractors, Floridablanca concocted a strategy of patience before committing his country to war. After Spain declared war on Britain, Floridablanca oversaw an aggressive effort.

Floridablanca stuck to a plan that would achieve Spain's stated goals. From the beginning of negotiations, Floridablanca and the Marquis de Gimaldi made clear what Spain wanted in exchange for her alliance to France. As reiterated on many ocasions, Spain wanted: Gibraltar; Minorca; the Floridas, especially Pensacola; Jamaica and the Bahamas; Mexico, Honduras and Compeche coasts cleared of British establishments; and Britain out of Central America. Floridablanca strove to achieve these objectives until peace was made in 1783.

Only the Colonies, by winning their independence, were more successful than Spain in garnering spoils of war. When the war ended, Spain had everything but Jamaica and Gibraltar.

Floridablanca was careful not to send mixed signals to Spain's colonies. He did not openly recognize the rebelling British colonies. Nor did he want to alienate Britain before Spain joined in the engagement. In maintaining Spain's diplomatic etiquette, Floridablanca insisted that official business with the Americans be handled through Spain"s Minister to France, who was stationed in Paris. For this reason, Pedro Pablo y Bolea, the Count of Aranda, became a prominent person in the
American Colonies' attempt to arrange aid.

Aranda, who later replaced and imprisoned his longtime rival Floridablanca, met with the first U.S. commission- Benjamin Franklin, Silas Deane and Arthur Lee. The Continental Congress had charged the commissioners in late 1776 to travel to Europe and seek foreign help in breaking the British naval blockadge along the North American coast. Aranda invited the commission to his house, where he quickly learned that there would be a language problem because "Franklin speaks very little French, Deane much less and Lee none."

In the course of his ambassadorship in Paris, Aranda became fond of the fledgling Colonies and their stuggle. Lacking Floridablanca's patience, Aranda recomended an early and open Spanish commitment to the Colonies. He was overruled and obediently accepted the decision. Perhaps he was placated by the knowledge that Spain matched France's overt aird with
covert support of its own.

One of the more important figures to assist the Colonies' struggle for independence was Bernardo de Gálvez. He helped the cause through diplomatic, financial and military exploits against Great Britain in the Mississippi River Valley, the Gulf Coast, including the Floridas, Louisiana and in in the Gulf of Mexico. from 1776, when he became govenor of Louisiana, until 1783 when the American Revolution ended, Gálvez's patience, audacity, appreciation of frontier people, diplomatic knowledge and military skill greatly contributed to the eventual British defeat.

He arrived in Louisiana with explicit royal instructions that reflected the commitment of Carlos III to restore Spain's international prestige and grandeur through economic reform, government restructuring and innovation in colonial enterprise. An anti-British, pro-colonial attitude was
impicit in his orders and obvious in his activities.

Although he did not advocate the republican or democratic principles that the Revolution came to symbolize, he was representative of the enlightened spirit of 18th century regeneration and reform. More importantly, his monarch wanted to recoup the losses of the recently conluded Seven Years War won by Britain. The North American rebels not only provided the opportunity but also had the demonstrated potential of becoming a future and lucrative trading partner.

Long before Spain declared war on Britain, the colonials received aid from the peninsula. In 1776 spain dispatched one of its largest fleets to the Americas, where it smashed British smuggling operations along the Brazilian coast and took Uruguay from the Portuguese,
who were Britain's allies.

Before declaring war, Spanish aid focused on Gálvez's covert activies in New Orleans, where he received support and encouragement from Havana. Through the efforts of Oliver Pollock, an Irish American Merchant and agent from Virginia, Gálvez succeeded in supplying the successful campaigns of George Rogers Clark, who fought the British foe in the trans-Allegheny regions.
While facilitating American shipping in the gulf and up the Mississippi River,
he closed the river to the British.

Ghostwolf

06-06-2004, 01:18 PM

http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/FrancePartDeux/FranceGIFS/catalino.gif

What is Jerry Lewis' "French connection" here in this case?

Jehuty

06-06-2004, 01:20 PM

From what i've heard on others americans forums, we are supposse to worship an american actor called "erry Lewis, althought i never heard of him and the only foreign humorists popular here are English. :roll:

Old300

06-07-2004, 02:04 PM

First thing: y'all are really into the idea that you're very sophisticated, right? I mean, you know a lot about other countries and cultures and one of your favorite criticisms of my countrymen is that we're ignorant arrogant solipsists who think the world ends at the beach. Or no?

So why do you call us "Yanks"? About half of us aren't Yanks, you know. In fact, a lot of our ancestors fought an incredibly bloody war against them. About half of the people in this country are raised to make fun of Yankees and to distrust people with a Yankee accent. It's sort of like calling a Scotsman an Englishman or - as I've learned from these forums - a Norwegian a Swede. We share a lot of the same characteristics, but we're different people and we're proud of those differences.

I'm not a Yank. But I am an American!

Now then, for what it's worth, I'd like to note that French military assistance in the Revolutionary War wasn't a sign of Franco-American friendship or - much less - French altruism. French aid was meant to thwart George III, not help George Washington.

First of all, thousands of American colonists had died in the 1750s and '60s fighting France - George Washington earned his reputation in the French and Indian Wars.

Second, France and Britain were still competing in the New World for territory at the time of the American Revolution. They viewed a British defeat as a means of checking British expansion in North American (no such luck).

Third, most of the "British" troops at Yorktown were Prussians. European crowns fought their wars largely by means of mercenaries. If Britain had won, it would be incorrect to say that it was thanks to Prussia; just as it is incorrect to say that our victory was thanks to Paris.

We beat our cousins fair and square. Lafayette was a great man, but we've more than paid for his service with the half-million-or-so men we lost last century in France.

And whatever monuments the French might have erected to us decades ago, their people today are massively, disgustingly ungrateful.

Part of me wishes that my grandfather and great grandfather hadn't risked their lives for that beautiful, interesting, but nevertheless infuriating place.

DixieDude

06-07-2004, 02:56 PM

So why do you call us "Yanks"? About half of us aren't Yanks, you know. In fact, a lot of our ancestors fought an incredibly bloody war against them. About half of the people in this country are raised to make fun of Yankees and to distrust people with a Yankee accent. It's sort of like calling a Scotsman an Englishman or - as I've learned from these forums - a Norwegian a Swede. We share a lot of the same characteristics, but we're different people and we're proud of those differences.

I'm not a Yank. But I am an American!

Totally agree with you Old.

Jehuty

06-07-2004, 03:12 PM

And whatever monuments the French might have erected to us decades ago, their people today are massively, disgustingly ungrateful.

That was a very interresting post, highly debatable and full of half-thruths, but still very interresting until this sentence.
I wonder how people can say such a bull****, i never heard the slightest disrespectful comment towards Allies veterans of WW2, the graveyards are well look after, monuments are still erected to remember the fallen but yet, we are ungrateful because we disagreed on something with you. Apples and oranges.
Welcome to the real world, we have every right to disagree with you when we think it's right, and it doesn't mean in no way that we are ungrateful or your grand-father help.We always supported US war affort when we thought it was the right thing to do, we still have troops fighting terrorism in Afghanistan, but no, we are ungrateful because we disagreed (and i talk about the french people, not the rightists who played a stupid diplomatic game).

Some of you need seriously to grow up.

Old300

06-07-2004, 03:21 PM

Jehuty, if you think my post was full of "half-truths", point them out to me and let's debate them.

Also, be careful about calling arguments and ideas "bull****" - you diminish yourself when you do; and, in the context of a call for others to "grow up", it sounds more than a little like hypocrisy.

As for whether the French are ungrateful or not, I have only opinion polls to support my belief that, in fact, they are not grateful for the sacrifices we made:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5143763/

Jehuty

06-07-2004, 03:34 PM

Jehuty, if you think my post was full of "half-truths", point them out to me and let's debate them.

No thanks i already got countless of endless debates over French role in American war of independance.
Check your sources that's all i'll say about this subject.

Also, be careful about calling areguments and ideas "bull****" - you diminish yourself when you do; and, in the context of a call for others to "grow up", it is a sign of hypocrisy.

Arguments?Where?
All you said is, the french people is ungrateful, which is a bull****.You didn't say any other things on this subject.

As for whether the French are ungrateful or not, I have only opinion polls to support my belief that, in fact, they are not:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5143763/

A poll of 1000 persons (lowest number i've ever saw for a poll), in a context of big diplomatic tensions between France and USA? :roll: Never forget the context, the article you quoted didn't.
Yes, you have only opinion polls in the medias, i actually live here, i see this respect from veterans everywhere since i was born, nobody ever talked bad about them, even in the worst anti-americans medias and you'll have a hard time to prove me otherwise.
We'll never forget about that, we showed great respect during D-Day ceremonies, but it is your grand-fathers, not you.

Old300

06-07-2004, 03:58 PM

fdt

06-07-2004, 04:07 PM

It was me who called Americans "Yanks" in this thread's title... Why do You wonder why everybody from outside US calls all American "Yanks"? They do... I don't know why... but they do, on a daily basis. I think that most of those knows that initial meaning of the word was "American from the North", but they simply don't care... Yank=American, American=Yank... It's short, simple and widely used...

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Yank

WordNet Dictionary
Noun 1. Yank - an American who lives in the North (especially during the American Civil War)
Synonyms: Yankee, Northerner
2. Yank - an American who lives in New England
Synonyms: New Englander, Yankee
3. Yank - an American
Synonyms: Yankee-Doodle, Yankee
Verb 1. yank - pull, or move with a sudden movement; "He turned the handle and jerked the door open"
Synonyms: jerk

Old300

06-07-2004, 04:20 PM

fdt, I know that it's in common usage, and I supose that's why it's the last entry in the dictionary. I can't stand people who are pedants about language - if words are commonly used a particular way, and if that usage makes sense, then it should be used.

The only reason why I brought up misuse of the "Yank" is that it is a word that is commonly used in a slightly derogatory manner by people who, when they use the word "Yank", are often making fun of Americans for being simple and provincial. In other words, their use of the word "Yank" is very ironic, and they have no idea that they're embarrassing themselves.

Anyway, a lot of people in the US call all Indian-looking Central and South Americans "Mexicans", even when a lot of them are Honduran, Peruvian, etc. When I lived in Scotland a few years ago, I was constantly reminded of Americans' tendancy to refer to all Britons as "Englishman", whether the Britons in question were English or not.

So, even though "Yank" is in common usage, foreigners on this forum should note that the Southern US lost several hundred thousand troops while fighting Yanks in the Civil War; they should note also that I and many other people on this forum were taught from an early age that Yankees were basically Canadians or otherwise ethnically suspect. They should remember that "Yank" has a specific meaning and that, whatever common usage may dictate, a lot of Americans aren't Yanks. A lot of us, in fact, dislike "Yanks" more than you do.

If you persist in calling all of us Yanks, I think I'll just say "Aw, to hell with it" and start calling y'all Belgians. Just because.

Jehuty

06-07-2004, 04:23 PM

Jehuty, maybe that poll is incorrect. Maybe the vast majority of people in France are grateful for the things that we've done for them over the past 90 years. But the sample size is the same as, say, polls conducted by Gallup for a US Presidential race, and is therefore no less likely to be correct than other polls that are discussed in the news all day, every day, all over the world.

Yeah well i don't believe anymore in polls since 2002, and they were made on far more people.

Also, it is of course your right to make flippant, derogatory remarks about ideas without backing those remarks with facts or arguments. But you're the poorer for it.

Fact: The veterans have been honored yesterday and they are honored everyday in the graveyards everywhere in France.Even the worst anti-americans protestors never said a word about veterans.I will hardly find a source on MSNBC about what i saw, heard, read during my life but i think it won't take you a lot of time to find articles about that here on this board or on news websites.
All you have is a poll, you said it.

And if I were you I'd think again about feeling more affection for my grandfather's generation than my own: even today, generations after the founding of NATO and a few years after the inauguration of a European Defense Identity, Americans younger than I are still the ultimate guarantors of your right to be French.

Excuse me?
"Americans younger than you" did not liberate us from a dictatorship from what i've heard, the only people we should be grateful of are the veterans (and the dead ones of course) who liberated France, and they deserve all our affection.We don't have any specific "duties" toward your generation, and even if we would, it doesn't mean we should agree with you all the time.And my right to be French comes from my country and my ancestors.
I'd say i rely upon my people and then all others countries of EU first to ensure the security of my country.
End of the story.Period.Ciao.

Old300

06-07-2004, 04:30 PM

Jehuty, you missed my point. I didn't say that you had to agree with us on anything. I simply pointed out a few things that shouldn't be controversial (and that, for all your apparent satisfaction, you still haven't even attempted to refute):

1) most Frenchmen are not grateful for the sacrifices my country made on your country's behalf.

2) But it isn't just my grandfather's generation to which thanks are owed. Even today, 17 year old zitty-faced American kids from places you've never heard of are, ultimately, what stand between you and the next species of European totalitarianism which will inevitably arise.

I like France. I like French people. But they remind me of how I behaved when I was 14: my parents gave me everything, and I hated them for it once a week or so. Until, of course, I needed them again...

Jehuty

06-07-2004, 04:37 PM

1) most Frenchmen are not grateful for the sacrifices my country made on your country's behalf.

I didn't miss this point, and i totally disagree, for reasons i already mentionned.

2) But it isn't just my grandfather's generation to which thanks are owed. Even today, 17 year old zitty-faced kids from places you've never heard of are, ultimately, what stand between you and the next species of European totalitarianism which will inevitably arise.

I knew there was some kind of ideology behind your statement.It's an enormous what if and your own theory.
But so far your generation did nothing, your grandfathers-s generation did everything, therefore, only them deserve to be thanks.

I like France. I like French people. But they remind me of how I behaved when I was 12: my parents gave me everything, and I hated them for it. Until, of course, I needed them again...

Well...cool :|
Now bye.

Macs.

06-07-2004, 05:17 PM

Americans = Yanks
Brits = Thommys
Germans = Krauts
Frenchs = Frogs
etc... p-)

Old300

06-07-2004, 05:26 PM

Americans = Yanks
Brits = Thommys
Germans = Krauts
Frenchs = Frogs
etc... p-)

Hey, I'm all for the use of deprecatory ethnic language. Just as you're not really friends with a guy until you can make fun of him all the time (that's what my friends and I tend to do, anyway), you're not really comfortable in your ethnic or national identity until you can take jokes about it.

I was simply pointing out that the word "Yank" is often used to refer to Americans as simple, ignorant, provincial people when, strictly speaking, it is often a misnomer and, therefore, it reflects the simplicity, ignorance, and provinciality of the person who uses it.

n.ignomo

06-08-2004, 05:00 AM

I translate in French :
US : ricains, yankees, cow-boys,
UK : rosbiff, brits'
Ger : boches, schleus
Ita : ritals
China : chintok
Asia : niak

fdt

06-08-2004, 05:12 AM

I translate in French :
US : ricains, yankees, cow-boys,
UK : rosbiff, brits'
Ger : boches, schleus
Ita : ritals
China : chintok
Asia : niak

Gimme more...!! Poland, Russia, Africans, South Americans etc...

Parzival

06-08-2004, 05:33 AM

I prefer very well trained Soldiers than idiots in the US army. You lost the nam war like the french did.

ZeroPositive

06-08-2004, 05:36 AM

er please dun flame in this thread.....

MARINO

06-08-2004, 05:42 AM

I translate in Spanish.
USA: Yankis, USA boys,
British: los perros
Frenc: Gabachos

Parzival

06-08-2004, 05:43 AM

er please dun flame in this thread.....
I agree, I hate this thread.

Tengu

06-08-2004, 05:50 AM

I translate in Dutch
USA: Yankies
French: Wijnboeren (=winefarmers)
Germans: worstendraaiers (=sausagemakers), moffen
Asian: spleetogen
Dutch: kezen, kaasfreters, kaasboeren,.... (we have a lot of names for the dutch :D )

Parzival

06-08-2004, 06:37 AM

I translate in swedish.

USA: Farmers
France: Freedomkeepers
UK: War-lovers

fdt

06-08-2004, 07:05 AM

I translate in Spanish.
British: los perros

In Poland football hooligans call Police with that name...

MARINO

06-08-2004, 07:13 AM

I translate in Spanish.
British: los perros

In Poland football hooligans call Police with that name...
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

cut

06-08-2004, 08:08 AM

what does it mean?

drgonzo777

06-08-2004, 08:35 AM

in hungary - we call the police - ombre, or locko
or bungeyjumping if we ****ed up

US- ami
Frace- csigazabáló (froggy)
Polis- Polákok (because we have a lot Polski Fiat... :) )

Parzival

06-08-2004, 12:53 PM

In sweden we call the Police - Snutjävlar.

chauncy republicans

06-08-2004, 02:20 PM

British: los perros
LMFAO woot

fdt

06-08-2004, 04:12 PM

in hungary - we call the police - ombre, or locko
or bungeyjumping if we f*** up

US- ami
Frace- csigazabáló (froggy)
Polis- Polákok (because we have a lot Polski Fiat... :) )
Damn... We don't have in Polish any mocking names for Hungarians, Spanish nor Swedish... Our language is so poor.... :(

Jehuty

06-08-2004, 05:49 PM

I translate in French :
US : ricains, yankees, cow-boys,
UK : rosbiff, brits'
Ger : boches, schleus
Ita : ritals
China : chintok
Asia : niak

I'd add: Bridés (eyes) for asians and Caribous for canadians.