Pakistan: Judge Approves Kidnap Of Christian Girls

[Calanen]

Kidnapped Christian girls, judge ratifies marriage and conversion

by Qaiser Felix

The district of Muzaffargarh rules in favour of the Muslims, rejecting the request from the family that wants to bring home the two sisters - 13 and 10 years old - kidnapped last June 26. Christian associations charge that they could end up as prostitutes.

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Islamabad (AsiaNews) - District judge Mian Muhammad Naeem, of the section of Muzaffargarh, has ruled that the two Christian sisters "have converted in a legitimate manner to Islam", and for this reason they cannot be "restored to their family of origin". Setting aside the request from their father to regain custody of his daughters, the judge also admitted the "validity" of the marriage of the girls to two Muslims.

Saba Younas, aged 13, and her sister Anila were kidnapped last June 26 in the village of Chowk Munda, in the province of Punjab, where they had gone to visit their uncle, Khalid Raheel. This is the same uncle who in recent days reported their kidnapping, asking for help from news organisations and human rights groups.

According to Raheel's account, a
Muslim fruit vendor named Muhammad Arif Bajwa kidnapped the girls, and then handed them over to a friend, Falak Sher Gill, who then organised the marriage between his own son and the older of the Christian sisters, Saba. In court, moreover, father and son both stressed the "complete willingness of the girl to contract marriage".

The girls' uncle does not conceal his preoccupation, and denounces to AsiaNews that the Muslims involved in the kidnapping are acting as a "gang", recruiting the girls in order to "make them work in a bordello".

This alarm has also been heard by the Catholic commission for justice and peace (NCJP) in the country, which confirms the words of Khalid Raheel: the kidnappers are believed to be human traffickers linked to prostitution, known to the police and under the protection of some local politicians.

"For these unscrupulous people", charges Naeem Asghar, local coordinator of the NCJP, marriage is a pretence in order to control the girls, run their lives and exploit them for their own business purposes".

The Catholic community continues to uphold the cause of Saba and Anila, and promises that the family will not be left to itself. Expressing the hope that the girls will be brought back home, the coordinator of the NCJP emphasises that "an appeal will soon be presented to the high court of Multan, to contest the decision of the district judge" and have the girls "restored to their parents".

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[Hellfish]

Savages, whether the girls were Christian or not.

[gaijinsamurai]

Where's the outrage in Pakistan? Oops, I forgot: they're busy getting all worked up about important stuff, like Danish cartoons!

[MG 3]

There has to be another angle to this story because these things sell big in the media and even so I havent seen any of it here.
Qaisar usually writes 50% of the story so he can make an extra dollar or two.

[The Balkan]

This is demented..I doubt anything will be done about it in a place like pakistan

[deagle]

#!&U$*@)($ i'd fight tooth and nail to get back rightful custody. the backlash could be great.

[Adux]

Some body should also comment about the Hindu Slave labour in Sind province. I am sure even that along with this is written by people who are paid money by some unknown source to show Pakistan in bad light, because they have nothing else to do and pakistani's are pious.


http://www.colaco.net/3/PkVUIndChr.htm, Intresting comparisons of minorities in both India and pakistan.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080624/25-christians-abducted-by-islamic-militants-in-pakistan.htm

[wildcat]

It is a shame, that sh!t like this happens. There are some Fvck places in this world.

[MG 3]

Some body should also comment about the Hindu Slave labour in Sind province. I am sure even that along with this is written by people who are paid money by some unknown source to show Pakistan in bad light, because they have nothing else to do and pakistani's are pious.


http://www.colaco.net/3/PkVUIndChr.htm, Intresting comparisons of minorities in both India and pakistan.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080624/25-christians-abducted-by-islamic-militants-in-pakistan.htm

Something I wont deny. Slave labor is a serious problem in Sindh and is amplified by the feudal system. It has little to do with piety or religion its all cultural.

[PeterRJG]

Something I wont deny. Slave labor is a serious problem in Sindh and is amplified by the feudal system. It has little to do with piety or religion its all cultural.

Culture schmulture. This is why the argument that the only good culture is to be found in yoghurt has validity.

[Adux]

MG3,

We have similar culture in some sense of the word If one takes the religion angle away, In some ways we share the same worst tendencies along with some good ones. But the difference is, the Indian Government has been cracking their whip like nobody's business on anyone who doesnt follow the law in this regard. The person who are caught and found guilty are thrown in jail no questions asked. If the culture is one we cannot live with in a modern society, then one should throw it out. Adopt a new one. If my country followed its past, I would be some slave or something similar. It didnt. It is the choices we have to make, as inhabitants of this blue world, with red blood flowing inside wether it is black, brown, hindu, muslim, christain, white or anything!

[Ordie]

Pakistan: when the going gets weird, the weird turns pro.

(My apologies to Hunter S. Thompson-RIP)

[pacifist]

What a ****ty culture

[Heinemann]

Something I wont deny. Slave labor is a serious problem in Sindh and is amplified by the feudal system. It has little to do with piety or religion its all cultural.

MG3, do Muslim slave traders abduct and sell off Muslim girls?

[Adux]

MG3, do Muslim slave traders abduct and sell off Muslim girls?

Nope...........................

[Excalibur]

the pakistani court's decision does not come as a surprise to me.
what i don't understand is how western countries and first of all US can support country like pakistan standing on such a solid fundamentalist ground.

[Jagdtiger]

that country doesn´t deserve to be called a constitutional state

they are nothing more than a bunch of terrorist harbouring savages

[Parx400]

the pakistani court's decision does not come as a surprise to me.
what i don't understand is how western countries and first of all US can support country like pakistan standing on such a solid fundamentalist ground.


Welcome to the US of Ad Hoc. Support them- keep who ever is in power there so the nukes dont fall into the wrong hands.

[Excalibur]

Welcome to the US of Ad Hoc. Support them- keep who ever is in power there so the nukes dont fall into the wrong hands.
sorry, but nukes already are fallen in wrong hands.

[Martel]

Evil racists ! don't judge them, it's their culture and we have to respect them !

[Dinges]

Evil racists ! don't judge them, it's their culture and we have to respect them !


The only culture these guys have is the stuff growing between their toes.

Poor girls

[LEGEND]

And to think they have nukes... What a savage place.

[Hollis]

If you want to discuss another country, open a thread on that. Lets not go off topic, this thread is not about India.

[Laworkerbee]

MG3, do Muslim slave traders abduct and sell off Muslim girls?

That would be haram, unless they were black Muslims. Africans always get the short end on the stick in the Muslim world.

[Arvin]

The Kalasha a pagan people that live in the North Western frontier province of Pakistan for more then 2,000 years are also threatened by Muslims and are growing smaller in number.

[brainplay]

Umm...how is it that they can be legally married at 10 and 13? Thought their AoC was 16? I could see a betrothal tops which still isn't binding but marriage? What kind of judge wouldn't see through that crap? Oh wait, its Pakistan.....

[Calanen]

Umm...how is it that they can be legally married at 10 and 13? Thought their AoC was 16? I could see a betrothal tops which still isn't binding but marriage? What kind of judge wouldn't see through that crap? Oh wait, its Pakistan.....

There is a different view taken about these things by some in the Islamic world......

http://www.youtube.com/v/1fjCmPTSsbA


http://www.youtube.com/v/4FE1yAGAqMY&feature=related

[brainplay]

Nice find there Calanen! Need to watch more Memri, those guys tend to get straight up discussions from the horses mouth alot.

I see where these guys are going with this. Their marriage contract is basically a betrothal but with a different translation. A girl is "promised" to a man but it merely a contract and can be annulled easily. They did this in europe during the middle ages frequently. With the father the one being of Arabic lineage I can see how he used the courts. He's the all powerful male/dad so of course the courts will override anyone else. Wish these guys would get over the patriarch thing and get with the rest of the world.

[Van Gogh]

how do we know the girls are muslim converts. They haven't said anything so far, and are probably being told what to say. I say Delta Force go in there and pull those girls out.

[MG 3]

MG3, do Muslim slave traders abduct and sell off Muslim girls?

99% of girls abducted are Muslim. But they are not worth reporting but when a Christian girl gets abducted the world comes crashing down.



Did some background research on the story, it was only reported in a local evening paper. The thing is lads that the girls were told to appear in court and they did. They wanted not to be with their families.
This is more of an honor case than religion. One of the sisters had an affair with a Muslim boy. She with her sister (Now this part is fishy) converted and ran away. If it were a more powerful Christian community in their area they would have gone and killed the girls but since they were not they went to the court.

[MG 3]

The Kalasha a pagan people that live in the North Western frontier province of Pakistan for more then 2,000 years are also threatened by Muslims and are growing smaller in number.

You see what I mean. You folks are quick to point out that they are under threat by the Taliban but you didn't report that Scouts/Paramilitaries from the Chitral and Shigar (both Muslim areas) have been sent to protect the ppl of Kelash. While Chitral in now under constant Taliban attack. Just a few days back one of our C-130s took AA fire and had to land at Skardu.

And may I point out that they are not growing smaller its just that they are not growing as fast the the population in the surrounding low lands.

[Adux]

99% of girls abducted are Muslim. But they are not worth reporting but when a Christian girl gets abducted the world comes crashing down.
99% of the girls kidnapped for forced conversion or into slavery are not muslims,





Did some background research on the story, it was only reported in a local evening paper. The thing is lads that the girls were told to appear in court and they did. They wanted not to be with their families.
This is more of an honor case than religion. One of the sisters had an affair with a Muslim boy. She with her sister (Now this part is fishy) converted and ran away. If it were a more powerful Christian community in their area they would have gone and killed the girls but since they were not they went to the court.


Since everybody seems to have forgotten let me re-emphasize they were 10 and 13. Do give me details where Pakistani Christains have killed or threatened the writ of the muslim majority.

[Aryan_Singh]

It's sad. and the worst it's pakistan where nothing much can be done against it. Becoz the Majority supports these things

[Calanen]

This is more of an honor case than religion. One of the sisters had an affair with a Muslim boy.

The girls were 13 and 10. Does it make sense to you that a 13 year old girl had an affair and run away from her family, and took her sister so she could also get married? This seems like a load of crap to me, and if I were the judge I would have torn through that bs story in a few seconds.

The Sharia courts, whether they do this to Muslim women abducted or Christians, should say, that is too young to get married, go back to your family. They should also put the men involved that kidnap these children in jail for a long time.

And that anyone could think differently is abhorrent to western values of preserving the innocence of children. It speaks volumes about your own beliefs that you think a 13 year old girl has the maturity to run away from her family to have an 'affair', and that the Courts should approve of it.

[Heinemann]

Come on now, Aisha was a grandma at age 18, 13 is middle age in Islamic years.

[MG 3]

The girls were 13 and 10. Does it make sense to you that a 13 year old girl had an affair and run away from her family, and took her sister so she could also get married? This seems like a load of crap to me, and if I were the judge I would have torn through that bs story in a few seconds.

The Sharia courts, whether they do this to Muslim women abducted or Christians, should say, that is too young to get married, go back to your family. They should also put the men involved that kidnap these children in jail for a long time.

And that anyone could think differently is abhorrent to western values of preserving the innocence of children. It speaks volumes about your own beliefs that you think a 13 year old girl has the maturity to run away from her family to have an 'affair', and that the Courts should approve of it.

What I heard in the media thats all. The thing is that marrying a girl before her age 18 in Islam is punishable by lashes how many I don quite remember but thats another issue.
There is now ay anyone here could support this thing but the problem here is that these issues are nothing compared to what the country is going through thats why no one has taken notice of it. For example a few days ago 60+ ppl were killed in a bus collision an it wasnt even reported in the news media. There was a time when these issues used to make ppl think twice about what was happening in society but there is so much **** around us that no one really bothers what is happening to others especially if they are the poorest of the society.


99% of the girls kidnapped for forced conversion or into slavery are not muslims,

Since everybody seems to have forgotten let me re-emphasize they were 10 and 13. Do give me details where Pakistani Christains have killed or threatened the writ of the muslim majority.

Girls are useless for slavery since slavery is primarily used in the brick making and mining industries. Forced conversion, I dont know how you would kidnap a muslim girl and then convert her to Islam, so the percentage is a bit of a useless way to put it.

You crazy that they would threaten the writ of the majority. They do not have their own areas and live in muslim majority cities and villages. Resistance would be insanity with the current state of things.

[Adux]

What I heard in the media thats all. The thing is that marrying a girl before her age 18 in Islam is punishable by lashes how many I don quite remember but thats another issue.

What about taking away birth platters, in order to control population dont you undrestand? What a way to stop the minority, take away their women, they wont procreate. The audacity of it all.






There is now ay anyone here could support this thing but the problem here is that these issues are nothing compared to what the country is going through thats why no one has taken notice of it. For example a few days ago 60+ ppl were killed in a bus collision an it wasnt even reported in the news media. There was a time when these issues used to make ppl think twice about what was happening in society but there is so much **** around us that no one really bothers what is happening to others especially if they are the poorest of the society.



Death is normal, Accidents happen all around the world as unfortunate as they are, it is just normal but treating people like scum by the Government in Power and Laws created by it, is NOT!!



Girls are useless for slavery since slavery is primarily used in the brick making and mining industries. Forced conversion, I dont know how you would kidnap a muslim girl and then convert her to Islam, so the percentage is a bit of a useless way to put it.

Really, Prostitution.


You crazy that they would threaten the writ of the majority. They do not have their own areas and live in muslim majority cities and villages. Resistance would be insanity with the current state of things.

Exactly